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@texas.redneck well that’s a good few days of training. Your food that you posted is also looking really good.
Switching from the Anastrozle I was taking to Aromasin 12.5 on Monday/Thursday. Anyone have opinions?
I still don't have my Estradiol lab results from 8/29/2025 (week 5) after I had taken a few doses of anastrozle. All I have is the lab that showed my estrogen at 70.1 on 8/19/2025 (week 3.5).
I do see on my notes from my last best cycle in Spring 2018 that I was doing Aromasin 12.5 eod and then switched to Adex at 0.5 e3d. I was on 470/week of test for that cycle.
I still don't have my Estradiol lab results from 8/29/2025 (week 5) after I had taken a few doses of anastrozle. All I have is the lab that showed my estrogen at 70.1 on 8/19/2025 (week 3.5).
I do see on my notes from my last best cycle in Spring 2018 that I was doing Aromasin 12.5 eod and then switched to Adex at 0.5 e3d. I was on 470/week of test for that cycle.
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That's fine to start.
when will it come? @texas.redneck
Aromasin generally works better imo.
haven't seen any training food sleep updates, coming?
I have been complaining to healthlabs.com every day for about a week now. They keep saying their clinical team contacted quest and quest is having delays on estradiol. Despite me demanding refunds or them to give me a new lab order to send somewhere else all I managed to get out of them is one or two $20 credits. At this point I was just waiting till next week or week after to do another full labs. Week after preferably
I’ll get some out next week. This week was photocopy of week before that I posted. Those same workouts and food.
I want to get some pics too but I am just not seeing it in the mirror like I want yet.
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You don't need to be perfect our EVO brother
EVO family is a no judgement zone, post it up as an update. @texas.redneck
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Ok that makes perfect sense now
Swimming Great for cardio bro
Here's some updated pics. I'm not really flexing, just trying to stand pretty normal. The very last pic is my pre-cycle for comparison. I'm not seeing much in the mirror as I'm feeling at the gym. Significant strength increases. I'm progressing all my weights and reps. I'm feeling big and strong. Just don't see when I look at these:
9/14/2025 - 205lbs
Here's the day I started my cycle on 7.29.2025
9/14/2025 - 205lbs
Here's the day I started my cycle on 7.29.2025
Example meal day from Sunday 9/14/2025. The rest of the week is pretty consistent with this, just some different foods for lunch and dinner:
Breakfast - 1/2c oatmeal w/blueberries, 2 eggs + 2 egg whites and spinach, 12oz almond milk w/scoop of protein
Snack - barbell protein bar
Lunch - Cava bowl, just salad base no rice, double steak
Postworkout - 12oz almond milk, two scoops of protein, banana
Dinner - 12oz salmon salad with apple
Breakfast - 1/2c oatmeal w/blueberries, 2 eggs + 2 egg whites and spinach, 12oz almond milk w/scoop of protein
Snack - barbell protein bar
Lunch - Cava bowl, just salad base no rice, double steak
Postworkout - 12oz almond milk, two scoops of protein, banana
Dinner - 12oz salmon salad with apple
Workouts:
monday 9/8/25 (Upper):
Tuesday - Off
Wednesday - Swim ~1500m sprint intervals and technique
Thursday (Lower) -
Friday (Pull) -
Saturday (Push) -
Sunday (legs) - did kind of a light leg day cause wore out from road trip to see my son play football and wanted to wash my car after. Hack Squats way up now. Part of that is tequnique. Hack squats are new to me so took me a couple weeks to dial in but these are full ROM till my ham hits my calf then back up, lowering slow and controlled.
monday 9/8/25 (Upper):
Tuesday - Off
Wednesday - Swim ~1500m sprint intervals and technique
Thursday (Lower) -
Friday (Pull) -
Saturday (Push) -
Sunday (legs) - did kind of a light leg day cause wore out from road trip to see my son play football and wanted to wash my car after. Hack Squats way up now. Part of that is tequnique. Hack squats are new to me so took me a couple weeks to dial in but these are full ROM till my ham hits my calf then back up, lowering slow and controlled.
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Now for my problem of the day. My BP when I woke up today to 160/100. It's usually 129/77'ish.
Things of note:
*I took my testosterone from 300mg/week up to 360/week starting last monday. I did 180mg on MOnday and 180mg on Thursday.
*I switched from adex to aromasin (see schedule below)
*I did my first preworkout 20mg dose of Anavar yesterday afternoon. This morning BP was when I woke up before taking anything.
Other possible estrogen or water retention symptoms:
*I gained 2 pounds since Friday. I was getting some consistent weigh ins between 204-204.5 through Friday. Saturday went up over 205 but didn't think much of it. No weigh in on Sunday. Today (Monday) I'm 206.2.
*was feeling just a hint of teary eyedness (like in my feels) but that also might be normal from seeing my son off at college and stuff.
*I have not been feeling super horny lately, I haven't thought much about this but looking back it is a little unusual for me.
What do you think?
Here's my AI dosing so far if you think it's estrogen related:
8/19/2025 - Estradiol 70.1 (beginning week 4 at 300mg/week, I also only did 200mg week 1)
8/20/2025
8/21/2025
8/22/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/23/2025
8/24/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/25/2025
8/26/2025
8/27/2025
8/28/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
8/29/2025 - Estradiol test - Quest still hasn't got these results
8/30/2025
8/31/2025
9/1/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/2/2025
9/3/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/4/2025
9/5/2025
9/6/2025
9/7/2025
9/8/2025 - Increased testosterone 150 to 180 (or 300 to 360/week)
9/9/2025
9/10/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/11/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/12/2025 -
9/13/2025
9/14/2025 - Aromasin 12.5,
9/15/2025 -
Things of note:
*I took my testosterone from 300mg/week up to 360/week starting last monday. I did 180mg on MOnday and 180mg on Thursday.
*I switched from adex to aromasin (see schedule below)
*I did my first preworkout 20mg dose of Anavar yesterday afternoon. This morning BP was when I woke up before taking anything.
Other possible estrogen or water retention symptoms:
*I gained 2 pounds since Friday. I was getting some consistent weigh ins between 204-204.5 through Friday. Saturday went up over 205 but didn't think much of it. No weigh in on Sunday. Today (Monday) I'm 206.2.
*was feeling just a hint of teary eyedness (like in my feels) but that also might be normal from seeing my son off at college and stuff.
*I have not been feeling super horny lately, I haven't thought much about this but looking back it is a little unusual for me.
What do you think?
Here's my AI dosing so far if you think it's estrogen related:
8/19/2025 - Estradiol 70.1 (beginning week 4 at 300mg/week, I also only did 200mg week 1)
8/20/2025
8/21/2025
8/22/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/23/2025
8/24/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/25/2025
8/26/2025
8/27/2025
8/28/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
8/29/2025 - Estradiol test - Quest still hasn't got these results
8/30/2025
8/31/2025
9/1/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/2/2025
9/3/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/4/2025
9/5/2025
9/6/2025
9/7/2025
9/8/2025 - Increased testosterone 150 to 180 (or 300 to 360/week)
9/9/2025
9/10/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/11/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/12/2025 -
9/13/2025
9/14/2025 - Aromasin 12.5,
9/15/2025 -
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Also relevant and forgot to mention, I donated blood Friday 9/5/25 so my HTC should be in check at the moment.
I'm Looking this AI dosing schedule over. I was trying to get cutesy and go to the minimum possible dosage of Adex (0.25 once a week) then at same time increased my testosterone dosage. So maybe my estrogen creeped during that time?
So do I just let the aromasin I've taken so far do it's work or take more to get in control?
Note below where I took 0.25mg Adex on 9/3/2025 and then the next dose wasn't till 9/10, and then I switched to Aromasin the next day.
I'm Looking this AI dosing schedule over. I was trying to get cutesy and go to the minimum possible dosage of Adex (0.25 once a week) then at same time increased my testosterone dosage. So maybe my estrogen creeped during that time?
So do I just let the aromasin I've taken so far do it's work or take more to get in control?
Note below where I took 0.25mg Adex on 9/3/2025 and then the next dose wasn't till 9/10, and then I switched to Aromasin the next day.
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If the last two post are TL;DR - I believe all the symptoms point towards that I let my estrogen get out of control and need to bring it back down.
(1) I got cute and tried to cut back to the bare minimum 0.25mg Adex 1x a week
(2) while simultaneously increasing testosterone dosage 300 to 360mg week.
(3) Then right after that, I go right into an AI switch from Adex to Aromasin.
Those are the three variables that changed in the last week. So anything else I can do to manage the situation?
(1) I got cute and tried to cut back to the bare minimum 0.25mg Adex 1x a week
(2) while simultaneously increasing testosterone dosage 300 to 360mg week.
(3) Then right after that, I go right into an AI switch from Adex to Aromasin.
Those are the three variables that changed in the last week. So anything else I can do to manage the situation?
FYI, I just looked on another online lab orders website because I have been contemplating getting another estradiol while waiting for the last results and they posted right on their site before you even add the lab to your cart:
The above message was on privatemdlabs.com. Below is email I just got from healthlabs.com where I ordered my lab from. It’s a real issue.
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You think you're not seeing much but you've grown and gotten leaner for sure, it's clear from the picture. @texas.redneck well done.
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seems overall good macros but hard to measure, I would try 2 scoops protein in breakfast time, and for snack 2 bars if you can do it.
@texas.redneck Good days but you're doing all 10-12 on legs? on pull days you're fine
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Your blood pressure spike is most likely tied to raising the test while trimming the AI down then changing the compound. Estrogen probably crept higher during that stretch which would explain the water gain, mood shift and dip in drive. Aromasin will need a little time to settle so don’t panic dose more right away. Keep checking your BP each morning and watch how the water holds over the next days. If it stays elevated and you still feel off, then it makes sense to bring the AI up a bit more consistently, but I'm guessing here. I really think we should wait for these bloods you ordered to see where you are and not make much change now. @texas.redneck
Didn’t follow what you were suggesting about legs?Good days but you're doing all 10-12 on legs? on pull days you're fine
so you are saying I came to the right conclusion after giving myself more hypertension panicking about it all morning?
when I really got to studying what I did the last week, I was like ok yeah I tried to back off to bare minimum AI (0.25mg Adex) AND increase my testosterone at the same time.
. From what I understand Adex doesn’t actually kill estrogen (it binds?) so just backing off that probably had a nasty rebound. Then it’s like just starting fresh with aromasin and having to wait it out to do its work.
Good call not to panic dose. I resisted the temptation all day yesterday to take more Aromasin. Then last night through this morning it's like I could feel the estrogen bleed off a little and my hypertension come back down to more calm state. My last aromasin dose was the day before so I was in the 36 to 48 hour range when I started to feel the hypertension and bloat coming down.
This morning my BP is trending back down to where it should be. I took several readings when I woke up this morning that landed in the 130-150 over 77-90. Still a little higher but yesterday morning when I got up it was 160/100 something consistently.
Also gave me an excuse to buy a new toy. I got the Garmin Blood pressure monitor. I'm already in the Garmin ecosystem from my swimming, cycling, and running so this BP monitor will just load results into my Garmin Connect so I can see trends. Should be quite useful for rest of this cycle and future cycles and just health in general.
That post was this morning ^. Mid afternoon now and definitely settling in now. BP was 136/80 which isn't too far off from my norm. Sex drive back, weight trended down. So now the question is what dosage of Aromasin to stay on for maintenance. I plan to get a complete set of labs next week but we'll probably be waiting a while for that estradiol test. This is what I took to get me here:
Nothing for six days and then as follows:
9/10/2025 - 0.25 adex
9/11/2025 - 12.5 aromasin
9/12/2025 - nothing
9/13/2025 - nothing
9/14/2025 - 12.5 aromasin
9/15/2025 - nothing
9/16/2025 - Today?
So do I stay on 12.5 e3d? or just 12.5 2x week?
The difference between those two options on a weekly basis is ~30mg/week versus 25mg/week.
Nothing for six days and then as follows:
9/10/2025 - 0.25 adex
9/11/2025 - 12.5 aromasin
9/12/2025 - nothing
9/13/2025 - nothing
9/14/2025 - 12.5 aromasin
9/15/2025 - nothing
9/16/2025 - Today?
So do I stay on 12.5 e3d? or just 12.5 2x week?
The difference between those two options on a weekly basis is ~30mg/week versus 25mg/week.
Some gear I got over the past week from Napsgear. I've been collecting some PCT supplies to finish this cycle and the one I'm planning for next spring.
*The HCG pictured is not for PCT purposes. Right now I'm saving that for my cycle next summer. I'm on the fence whether I like being on cycle without it.
*The HCG pictured is not for PCT purposes. Right now I'm saving that for my cycle next summer. I'm on the fence whether I like being on cycle without it.
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you handled it right by waiting and not chasing more doses. your bp settling and water coming down shows the aromasin is kicking in. you don’t need to push harder, just keep it steady so estrogen doesn’t tank. 12.5 every 3rd day is a good baseline to hold for now while you track bp and how you feel. once labs come in you’ll know for sure, but until then stay consistent. if 3rd day keeps you smooth then leave it there, only tighten the gap if signs creep back. better to run a touch higher than crash low. I would stay 12.5 e3d to start
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On leg days heavy is not always good, try to do 15-25 rep ranges you'll see a difference
Never needed or wanted it. Ironically I've loads here
Awesome naps TD, thanks for sharing man !
napsgear is my go to source @texas.redneck great products. they test them constantly too
bro napsgear the best. glad you listened to me and got from them. it where real texans shop @texas.redneck
napsgear i've been using for 20 years. even from the old EF days
bros this looks like a nice stash if you ask me. you gonna enjoy the napsgear products
That pharmaqo HCG is actually from Domestic Supply. I should have given credit where credit is due. They were super prompt, got it in less than a week.
That was an impulse buy a couple weeks ago when I stopped taken that Gonadorelin and was freaking out about my semen volume, lack thereof. As I said above, I think I'm going to save that HCG for the next cycle. I want to see how the PCT goes coming off this cycle not having run HCG during it.
thanks for posting the touchdowns. napsgear is one of my favorites. def a top 2-3 source
Supply looking nice
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I thought you were anti-HCG? Or is it just that HCG has zero PCT benefit when ran on cycle?HCG from @domestic-supply.com is the real deal I have 3 clients on it now
That's kind of my main thing. I'm trusting the Evo guys when they say there's zero benefit for keeping my testicles going on cycle when I come off. If you all were to tell me there is a benefit to keeping my testicles active during cycle with HCG and stopping prior to PCT, and that will help my natural hormones rebalance after the cycle, then I'd do it on cycle.
On leg days heavy is not always good, try to do 15-25 rep ranges you'll see a difference
here's my next leg day. You want me to try all these in the 15-25 range or maybe just try hammering out 15-25 leg press? I might skip that smith machine lunge, but I'm definitely not doing 15-25 per leg just because that would take forever one leg at a time.
I'm on the struggle bus with shedding some weight. This is not a cut cycle by any means considering my cycle ends around November (i.e., winter). But I think I came into the cycle carrying more bodyfat than necessary. I was thinking I wanted to be about 200 by the end of this cycle so when I come off I land in low 190s. I thought I was making good progress trending down to 204 last week, but then that crept up over the weekend and then this morning I have the heaviest weigh in since I started this cycle at 206.8.
I don't think I've deviated much from my meal days I've previously posted, except for maybe cranking up the protein.
Maybe the scale is misleading because I definitely must be gaining some muscle mass also. My body is responding to the testosterone, increased protein and the fact I haven't ever focused on Hypertrophy this much. Also, increased Test last 10 days from 300mg/week to 360mg/week and I think bumped diet another 25-50g of protein.
I'm going to start doing Myfitnesspal tracking again. Below is what I ate for breakfast, snack and lunch and what my plan is for the rest of the day. This is pretty close to what I've been doing the last month except I'm going to drop oatmeal from my breakfast and an apple from that snack 2. That's only place I really saw to save some carbs, except for maybe that protein bar.
I can also add some more cardio, maybe one or two 20-30min light zone 2 sessions. But I feel like I'm getting a pretty fair amount of cardio with my weekly swim and ~15-20min weighted vest dog walks a few times a week. I still hopped on my bike last week and just went out for a 60 minute bike ride. At the volume I'm lifting right now, anymore added cardio would probably be at the expense of some lifting.
Better to shed the fat now while i'm on Anavar then shed it later off cycle and risk losing gains? Just focus on hypertrophy now and take advantage of Test?
Stop MK677? Get off Creatine?
I don't think I've deviated much from my meal days I've previously posted, except for maybe cranking up the protein.
Maybe the scale is misleading because I definitely must be gaining some muscle mass also. My body is responding to the testosterone, increased protein and the fact I haven't ever focused on Hypertrophy this much. Also, increased Test last 10 days from 300mg/week to 360mg/week and I think bumped diet another 25-50g of protein.
I'm going to start doing Myfitnesspal tracking again. Below is what I ate for breakfast, snack and lunch and what my plan is for the rest of the day. This is pretty close to what I've been doing the last month except I'm going to drop oatmeal from my breakfast and an apple from that snack 2. That's only place I really saw to save some carbs, except for maybe that protein bar.
I can also add some more cardio, maybe one or two 20-30min light zone 2 sessions. But I feel like I'm getting a pretty fair amount of cardio with my weekly swim and ~15-20min weighted vest dog walks a few times a week. I still hopped on my bike last week and just went out for a 60 minute bike ride. At the volume I'm lifting right now, anymore added cardio would probably be at the expense of some lifting.
Better to shed the fat now while i'm on Anavar then shed it later off cycle and risk losing gains? Just focus on hypertrophy now and take advantage of Test?
Stop MK677? Get off Creatine?
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Just to clarify, I've lifted my whole life, just not with the sole focus on hypertrophy like this before.
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Try all 15-20 range see how you do
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At this stage the weight bump is mostly water, glycogen, and extra food volume from the higher test and protein. 206 vs 204 is nothing, that can swing day to day. The mirror and strength in the gym matter more than the scale. That's why pics are a must.
If the goal is to tighten up a bit, just trim carbs slightly like you already planned and maybe add 1–2 light zone 2 sessions without cutting into recovery. MK677 is what’s pushing appetite and water the hardest, dropping that makes sense. Creatine only adds a little water weight and helps performance, I wouldn’t cut it. Best move is keep driving hypertrophy now and worry about fat clean-up when you come off.
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Got it. I’ll stick to my plan.
This really turned into like a 9 month plan. This cycle is Hypertrophy, then train for race and clean up far as you said, then spring cycle will be hypertrophy again but stay super lean through summer.
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You’ll build size now, then tighten up while getting ready for the race, and after that hit another growth phase but keep lean through summer. That flow makes sense and keeps you progressing without carrying extra fluff. Just keep food in check and the phases will line up clean.
Wow. This is an amazing lineup. You put together. I love the different meals. Haven't seen anyone post mushrooms in a while. @texas.redneck
@texas.redneck awesome TD right here!
Look at what you've said here.
You've stayed on the food ytou was eating before PLUS added protein and wonder why you're not leaner
Dropping creatine will only drop water - not fat
bro gotta train hard to be hard. @texas.redneck i want to see you milk it the whole way. keep it up!
looking really strong on the diet. a lot of good quality micronutrients. just be careful on the soy sauce, the stuff can be super bad @texas.redneck
@texas.redneck now that is a great touchdown. I love seeing these pictures of everybody getting their gear. Looks like you got some good stuff there.
@texas.redneck shedding weight doesn't get any easier as you age. But it certainly can be done. Just keep grinding. It will happen.
I probably didn’t need to include the mushroom and spinach but I’m oCD when I start using MyFitnessPal so I put everything in it.
mushrooms have some really cool health benefits.
@texas.redneck I would share the fat now while you were on anavar and then just stick with clean bulking
i would try and hit fasted cardio hard @texas.redneck its a great way to hit the fat stores. forces them to go away
bros you came a long way so far. don't be so hard on yourself. you doing any reta or tirz? @texas.redneck
I am interested in retatrutide though. My buddy says that's what I need to do 2-4mg a week and fat will be gone. So I want to keep that in my back pocket for next Spring. Is there a particular UGL or brand that is known as like the go to one? Like how Umbrella labs is the MK677 people.
Looks like nice stash
probably just dumb question, is nolvadex on cycle still a thing? While we are on the topic, can you humor me and tell me if you see any signs of gyno on my pics?
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Yes running nolvadex on cycle is still a thing for some guys, especially if they’re sensitive and want to stay ahead of gyno flare ups. From your pics maybe a touch of light gyno showing, nothing major, but if you’re worried then having nolva in while you’re on is a safe move. @texas.redneck
I’m not worried about gyno this cycle. I’m managing estrogen and no symptoms. More so those first beginner ones when I was all over the place. You know the 500mg/week “beginner” cycle. lol.
I haven’t ever noticed anything wierd about my nipples. No sensitivity, soreness, lumps or whatever. My actual nipples have been hard this cycle when I am lifting or right after when I’m all pumped. But just the actual tips of nipples like cold weather makes them hard kind of hard. I don’t think that’s a gyno symptom. Nothing like later in day when I didn’t just get done working out.
How much would I take ?
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In your case 5-10mgs eod to start off
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That’s not gyno, just normal response from training and blood flow when you’re pumped. Gyno symptoms are more like soreness, itching, or a lump forming under the nipple that stays there, not just the tip getting hard like cold weather. If you’re managing estrogen and feel fine then you’re good, nothing to stress about here. @texas.redneck
bros glp1's aren't extreme. they way safer then other stuffI’m not that fat am I! Geez. Just giving you a hard time. I’m not ready for those kind of extreme measures yet. We’ll see about that next spring
bros read the guys on here using it.
Offen times the mirror can tell you what the scale never will.
@texas.redneck meals are on point bro! Weight should come off!
Finally the Estradiol test results I waited almost a month for. My Estradiol was 32 after getting knocked down from 70.1 with a couple does of Adex (Scroll down to 8/29/2025 below). I'm not sure how this will help determine what my current Aromasin dose should be, but everyone keeps saying they wanted to see this result.
8/19/2025 - Estradiol 70.1 (week 4 at 300mg/week, first week was only 200mg)
8/20/2025
8/21/2025
8/22/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/23/2025
8/24/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/25/2025
8/26/2025
8/27/2025
8/28/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
8/29/2025 - Estradiol 32
8/30/2025
8/31/2025
9/1/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/2/2025
9/3/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/4/2025
9/5/2025
9/6/2025
9/7/2025
9/8/2025 - Increased testosterone 150 to 180 (or 300 to 360/week)
9/9/2025
9/10/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/11/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/12/2025
9/13/2025 -
9/14/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/15/2025 -
9/16/2025
9/17/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/18/2025
9/19/2025
9/20/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/21/2025
I will get a full TRT/Bodybuilding panel again this week or next week but with the delays in Estradiol labs, I wouldn't expect the results until I'm done with this cycle.
8/19/2025 - Estradiol 70.1 (week 4 at 300mg/week, first week was only 200mg)
8/20/2025
8/21/2025
8/22/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/23/2025
8/24/2025 - Arimidex 0.5
8/25/2025
8/26/2025
8/27/2025
8/28/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
8/29/2025 - Estradiol 32
8/30/2025
8/31/2025
9/1/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/2/2025
9/3/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/4/2025
9/5/2025
9/6/2025
9/7/2025
9/8/2025 - Increased testosterone 150 to 180 (or 300 to 360/week)
9/9/2025
9/10/2025 - Arimidex 0.25
9/11/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/12/2025
9/13/2025 -
9/14/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/15/2025 -
9/16/2025
9/17/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/18/2025
9/19/2025
9/20/2025 - Aromasin 12.5
9/21/2025
I will get a full TRT/Bodybuilding panel again this week or next week but with the delays in Estradiol labs, I wouldn't expect the results until I'm done with this cycle.
So today is the first day since I started the cycle that I feel beat up, like how I would normally feel after a hard couple of weeks of training not not on PEDs -- DOMS, sore, achy, etc. I wouldn't consider any of these out of the ordinary, just that since I started this cycle my recovery has been exceptional so really haven't had this feeling. Let me know if you all see any red flags I need to watch.
It's the end of week 8 so this might just be expected from pushing so hard. I deloaded on week 5 so I just finished another 3 hard weeks straight.
here's the variables that did change this week:
1. Diet - Continuing to shave off some calories. I don't think I went to extreme here. I didn't go full Keto or anything. But I do feel I got myself in a slight caloric deficit the last 4-5 days.
2. Mk677 - I stopped mk677. I'm 3 days off it now.
3. Anavar - I'm a week on Anavar now. I definitely been feeling this all week.
5. Squats - I really dialed in some heavy Hack Squats this past week that might be wreaking havoc on my CNS. With my degenerative disc I haven't done barbell squats in years. I generally rely on Bulgarian split squats to get my quads loaded with heavy weight. But since I discovered I can do hack squat relatively pain free of my lower back, i really perfected that form over the past couple weeks and have been going pretty hard on these.
6. AI - I settled in at 12.5 Aromasin e3d. I don't think these run down feeling is low estrogen sides. Like I mentioned above, I just feel beat up like I normally would when I'm not on PEDs and had a hard week or two of training.
Generally speaking, it was solid training week increasing weight and reps across the board.
It's the end of week 8 so this might just be expected from pushing so hard. I deloaded on week 5 so I just finished another 3 hard weeks straight.
here's the variables that did change this week:
1. Diet - Continuing to shave off some calories. I don't think I went to extreme here. I didn't go full Keto or anything. But I do feel I got myself in a slight caloric deficit the last 4-5 days.
2. Mk677 - I stopped mk677. I'm 3 days off it now.
3. Anavar - I'm a week on Anavar now. I definitely been feeling this all week.
5. Squats - I really dialed in some heavy Hack Squats this past week that might be wreaking havoc on my CNS. With my degenerative disc I haven't done barbell squats in years. I generally rely on Bulgarian split squats to get my quads loaded with heavy weight. But since I discovered I can do hack squat relatively pain free of my lower back, i really perfected that form over the past couple weeks and have been going pretty hard on these.
6. AI - I settled in at 12.5 Aromasin e3d. I don't think these run down feeling is low estrogen sides. Like I mentioned above, I just feel beat up like I normally would when I'm not on PEDs and had a hard week or two of training.
Generally speaking, it was solid training week increasing weight and reps across the board.
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I don’t want to rule out low estrogen. Maybe I over corrected. So double check my post before with estradiol results update.
I setup MyFitnessPal with these macros. Should I adjust?
I weighed 204.2 this morning:
I started at 197.4 on July 29, 2025:
And Check me for Gyno:
I started at 197.4 on July 29, 2025:
And Check me for Gyno:
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That drop from 70 down to 32 shows the adex definitely did its job, so you know you’re responsive to it. Now with test bumped higher your aromatization is going to climb again, so the switch to aromasin at 12.5mg a few times a week makes sense to hold you steady. 32 is a good range, you don’t want to crash it lower, so it’s really just about holding that middle ground while running the higher dose of test. A full panel will give you the clearest picture but for now the dosing looks reasonable.
I think depends on goals, you want to recomp more we need more carbs in that case? @texas.redneck
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You look good strong chest
I dont see any gyno!
I'd like to come off this cycle right about 200lbs so still need to shave ~1lb a week. I went pretty aggressive on those calories at 2200. I think under 2500 is still a slight deficit for me. I want to say 2800-3000 is kind of my maintenance range. It's hard to estimate right now though because I'm doing less cardio and more lifting. When I'm swimming and cycling more I can generally just eat whatever and not worry about it.
@LevButlerov Anything jump out at you concerning when you read the below? Or think it's just me pushing hard the last two months and it is catching up to me? In the end, I'm still 46 years old. LOL.
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2200 is definitely aggressive at your size so if you’re still aiming for around a pound a week drop then something like 2400 to 2500 makes more sense. That keeps you in a deficit without risking muscle loss while you’re pushing the weights more. Maintenance being closer to 2800 to 3000 lines up with your training history so tapering down slowly as cardio shifts out is the right move. You’ll tighten up to 200 while holding strength better this way. Though I'm always a fan of MORE food not less and NOT calories but macro counts.
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I'd like to see the full panel first
I'm only one week on the Anavar (yeah I decided to just take it after we talked about not doing it. LOL). Is that long enough to see how it effects my panel? I thought maybe wait till next week and get at least two weeks on Anavar before we check labs.I'd like to see the full panel first
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1 week on anavar usually isn’t long enough to see the full impact on bloodwork since liver enzymes and lipids take a bit more time to shift. 2 weeks in you’ll start to see more meaningful changes if it’s going to show up, so holding off until then makes more sense. A full panel after the second week will give you a clearer picture of how your body is handling it.
@texas.redneck Looks to me like you put on muscle and you also drop body fat. That is very impressive.
Bro, that's a nice pit. You got in that picture. Look like he about to eat your leg. @texas.redneck
bros you look like you lost weight. and you weigh more. @texas.redneck that a good sign
@texas.redneck can see the changes for sure. hard to believe you weigh more. That just shows you've been putting on solid muscle.
I think you're a bit too tough on yourself. I think you look fantastic. All Things Considered You just have to dial things in. @texas.redneck
@texas.redneck you are improving. sometimes we get so obsessed with gyno that we go crazy. just keep estrogen controlled
I would just keep plugging
Here are some more of my classic shirtless selfie pose for comparability. I tend to be more consistent when I take this pic in front of the mirror. LOL.
I'm 5'11" by the way.
Sunday September 21, 2025 - 204.2lbs (same pics from this weekend)
August 1, 2025 - 198lbs
April 18, 2025 - 197.6lbs
November 15, 2024 - 193lbs
I'm 5'11" by the way.
Sunday September 21, 2025 - 204.2lbs (same pics from this weekend)
August 1, 2025 - 198lbs
April 18, 2025 - 197.6lbs
November 15, 2024 - 193lbs
Just over a week on Anavar. so far I think I liked Tbol better. Why is Anavar more popular than Tbol?
Definitely a dmart play adding in the AI makes a huge difference.
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for sure
when guys use their rear delts as an injection site, do they have someone else do it for them? My rear delts looks like a juicy target and I think I am more flexible than most through my shoulders but it still seems like it would be tough for me to hit it. I think I could do it like when you do that stretch where you put your arm across your body and pull it in with other arm and reach around.
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Most guys have someone else do rear delts for them because the angle is awkward, even if your shoulder mobility is good. You can self pin by reaching across like you said, but it’s harder to control depth and keep the needle steady. Safer spots for solo pinning are glutes, quads, or ventro glutes, rear delts are usually better when you’ve got help.
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@texas.redneck the physique is looking good. I’m really not seeing any gyno at all. Also, the cane Corso is beautiful. I have one myself. They are great dogs.
Thanks. yes, this is my second corso.
And i was just being paranoid about gyno. You know how it is when you get on cycle and then you start reading all the scary stories, and my youtube algorithm starts feeding me stuff, and you get like 8 weeks in and I start thinking about all the dumb stuff I have done on every other cycle...LOL.
@texas.redneck looking good bro.......
Something changed and my resting heart rate abruptly dropped back to normal the last several nights. Since the beginning of the cycle it has been hovering 56-58 resting heart rate. Then boom the last three nights I'm 52-53 again. Also dropped about 2lbs of weight around same time. All of a sudden I've had consecutive mornings weighing in at 203 instead of 205-206.
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