Veteran Log First Testosterone Cycle at 47 Log

[waggat]

Oh wow that's surprising it was them. Something must be up, usually they push cbd even if you don't need it. They came up with this bullshit called the "entourage effect" where if you have the most cannabanoids of all types on board they work better. About $75 a week in CBD being the sweet spot so for the people coming in for weed scripts they try their best to tack cbd onto it, as it's zero added risk and $400 more on thr script.

I never had it prescribed in Aus, literally got 1500mg full spectrum stuff from the local IGA and then eBay. You'll be able to solve this for sure man be awesome if it helps your anxiety bro, that zolof stuff sounds nasty, my old gf was on that and hated it.

Yeah I was surprised to be knocked back. I thought it would be simple, particularly as I only wanted CBD and not something with THC. I'll check out eBay.

Yeah I probably could come off the Zoloft. I mainly had it for when the kids were younger and I would get anxiety when shit was a bit crazy / a lot going on.

 

[waggat]

Regarding sleep, one thing I might try is a back-off week for training. In the past I've used waking and not being able to get back to sleep as a sign to ease up for a week. I might do that starting Thursday.

 

[waggat]

Today's workout.

An awesome one despite not getting the best sleep.

I think the Anavar might be fully kicking in now @PharmabolicsOz. I took 20mg/day for the first few days and have upped it to 30 that last few days.

I've heard people mention the lower back pumps on Anavar @BeMe. I'm might be getting jaw pumps. Is that a thing?

13/10/25 - Push

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
Warmup, 7.5x12, 10x12, 12.5x10

Incline BB press (kg)
Warmup, 45x111, 52.5x9, 60x8, 65x8
Extra set with +5kg here

Db lateral - straight arm (kg each side)
Warmups, 10 x 10, 12.5 x 9, 15x9
Upped the weights by 2.5 each set here

Db shoulder press (kg db's)
Warmup, 17.5 x 11, 22.5 x 9, 27.5x10
2 extra reps here

Cable pushdown (kg)
Warmup, 25.5x13, 30.5 x 12, 35 x 13

Close grip smith (kg +bar)
Warmup, 50x 11, 62.5x 10, 75 x 8
+2.5kg here

Normal routine before and after:
20 min incline treadmill before
10 min yoga style stretching before
20 min incline treadmill after

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah I was surprised to be knocked back. I thought it would be simple, particularly as I only wanted CBD and not something with THC. I'll check out eBay.

Yeah I probably could come off the Zoloft. I mainly had it for when the kids were younger and I would get anxiety when shit was a bit crazy / a lot going on.

That makes sense, CBD scripts can still be a hassle depending on where you are, even for non-THC versions. eBay or direct supplement shops usually have decent hemp-based options that don’t need a prescription.

If you’ve been stable for a while, tapering off Zoloft slowly is smart. Just make sure to do it gradually since serotonin rebound can sneak up if you drop too quick. And remember zoloft stops working after a while, probably not even working now. @waggat

 

[LevButlerov]

Today's workout.

An awesome one despite not getting the best sleep.

I think the Anavar might be fully kicking in now @PharmabolicsOz. I took 20mg/day for the first few days and have upped it to 30 that last few days.

I've heard people mention the lower back pumps on Anavar @BeMe. I'm might be getting jaw pumps. Is that a thing?

13/10/25 - Push

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
Warmup, 7.5x12, 10x12, 12.5x10

Incline BB press (kg)
Warmup, 45x111, 52.5x9, 60x8, 65x8
Extra set with +5kg here

Db lateral - straight arm (kg each side)
Warmups, 10 x 10, 12.5 x 9, 15x9
Upped the weights by 2.5 each set here

Db shoulder press (kg db's)
Warmup, 17.5 x 11, 22.5 x 9, 27.5x10
2 extra reps here

Cable pushdown (kg)
Warmup, 25.5x13, 30.5 x 12, 35 x 13

Close grip smith (kg +bar)
Warmup, 50x 11, 62.5x 10, 75 x 8
+2.5kg here

Normal routine before and after:
20 min incline treadmill before
10 min yoga style stretching before
20 min incline treadmill after

Good push day, strength clearly up with the 65 kg press and 27.5 kg DBs moving smooth. The +2.5 kg progressions across presses show the Anavar is kicking in right on time.

Jaw pumps can happen on orals from increased blood flow, same as calves or lower back. increase electrolyte intake, add taurine 3 g daily, and boost cardio.

 

[waggat]

Good push day, strength clearly up with the 65 kg press and 27.5 kg DBs moving smooth. The +2.5 kg progressions across presses show the Anavar is kicking in right on time.

Jaw pumps can happen on orals from increased blood flow, same as calves or lower back. increase electrolyte intake, add taurine 3 g daily, and boost cardio.

Thanks mate will do.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah I was surprised to be knocked back. I thought it would be simple, particularly as I only wanted CBD and not something with THC. I'll check out eBay.

Yeah I probably could come off the Zoloft. I mainly had it for when the kids were younger and I would get anxiety when shit was a bit crazy / a lot going on.

Just becareful coming off that stuff. Speak with your doctor about how to do it properly cuz those things can be tricky to navigate. I've heard horror stories about people trying to cold turkey things like Zoloft

 

[BeMe]

Today's workout.

An awesome one despite not getting the best sleep.

I think the Anavar might be fully kicking in now @PharmabolicsOz. I took 20mg/day for the first few days and have upped it to 30 that last few days.

I've heard people mention the lower back pumps on Anavar @BeMe. I'm might be getting jaw pumps. Is that a thing?

13/10/25 - Push

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
Warmup, 7.5x12, 10x12, 12.5x10

Incline BB press (kg)
Warmup, 45x111, 52.5x9, 60x8, 65x8
Extra set with +5kg here

Db lateral - straight arm (kg each side)
Warmups, 10 x 10, 12.5 x 9, 15x9
Upped the weights by 2.5 each set here

Db shoulder press (kg db's)
Warmup, 17.5 x 11, 22.5 x 9, 27.5x10
2 extra reps here

Cable pushdown (kg)
Warmup, 25.5x13, 30.5 x 12, 35 x 13

Close grip smith (kg +bar)
Warmup, 50x 11, 62.5x 10, 75 x 8
+2.5kg here

Normal routine before and after:
20 min incline treadmill before
10 min yoga style stretching before
20 min incline treadmill after

The pumps hit everyone differently. Some guys calves, back, etc.

For me it wasn't lower back, close, it was my ass lol. My glutes kept locking up on me going up and down extension ladders. It was rough.

My abs locked up on me while I was driving and I almost pulled off the highway. I leaned my chair back and did some lamas breathing to relax. It was brutal.

You could be getting it in your jaw for sure. Your jaw is a muscle.

I took 5g of taurine a day split into 2 doses and some Pedialyte or electrolytes

 

[PharmabolicsOz]

I think the Anavar might be fully kicking in now @PharmabolicsOz. I took 20mg/day for the first few days and have upped it to 30 that last few days.

Great to hear brother!! we're excited for your full potential

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks mate will do.

Keep us posted

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Great to hear brother!! we're excited for your full potential

Me too!

 

[waggat]

The pumps hit everyone differently. Some guys calves, back, etc.

For me it wasn't lower back, close, it was my ass lol. My glutes kept locking up on me going up and down extension ladders. It was rough.

My abs locked up on me while I was driving and I almost pulled off the highway. I leaned my chair back and did some lamas breathing to relax. It was brutal.

You could be getting it in your jaw for sure. Your jaw is a muscle.

I took 5g of taurine a day split into 2 doses and some Pedialyte or electrolytes

Sounds intense! I get ab cramps sometimes when I'm down on the ground working on my car. Have to quickly try and straighten out they are so painful!

To clarify, no real issue for me with the jaw pump. Didn't hurt or anything. Was just something I noticed.

 

[BeMe]

Sounds intense! I get ab cramps sometimes when I'm down on the ground working on my car. Have to quickly try and straighten out they are so painful!

To clarify, no real issue for me with the jaw pump. Didn't hurt or anything. Was just something I noticed.

That's good that it's not too bad. Hopefully it stays that way and you'll be good.

Ya those ab cramps are rough. Straighten out and breathe like you're giving birth. It helps a lot

 

[Lucid]

I got a script When I started with my gut issues.

They started me on cbd and now I have a thc prescription

You could say you damaged your gut with antibiotics and you can’t digest food, can’t sleep and you have bad inflammation in your gut.

Can say your going to see a gastro doctor for more testing and your waiting to see them

This is similar description to me and I was prescribed. Will dm you the name of the practice that prescribed me

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Just keep intake low enough not to blunt drive

Yeah that's a good point, it could very well do that. I know people that act like speed on it and get in the zone and program or whatever they do, and equally as many people who think they're going to do that and then just go back to work or watch Jeremy Kyle repeat omnibus at 9am

treat it like any other recovery aid in the stack. Don't use it as a drug.

Yeah it sucks for that. I tried so hard to be a psyconaught space cadet when I was young but it just wasn't what I wanted. Drug wise, honestly, I would rather sniff glue.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I've heard people mention the lower back pumps on Anavar @BeMe. I'm might be getting jaw pumps. Is that a thing?

Jaw pumps for sure lol, watch out for the dense protien bars and try to avoid and extended fast pace walking in workboots lol. Taurine can help for some

 

[milbous1]

Was an off day from weights. I'm doing push, pull, legs and I've decided to try it 5 days a week instead of 6. Still did the following:

10 min incline treadmill warmup

20 min yoga style stretching and some abs

30 min incline treadmill

Sometimes less is more. Gives your body time to heal. Especially at our age.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah that's a good point, it could very well do that. I know people that act like speed on it and get in the zone and program or whatever they do, and equally as many people who think they're going to do that and then just go back to work or watch Jeremy Kyle repeat omnibus at 9am



Yeah it sucks for that. I tried so hard to be a psyconaught space cadet when I was young but it just wasn't what I wanted. Drug wise, honestly, I would rather sniff glue.

lol fair take, at least you figured that out early. Some people chase that trip vibe forever and just end up fried, glue probably safer than half the research stuff floating around now.

 

[LevButlerov]

I got a script When I started with my gut issues.

They started me on cbd and now I have a thc prescription

You could say you damaged your gut with antibiotics and you can’t digest food, can’t sleep and you have bad inflammation in your gut.

Can say your going to see a gastro doctor for more testing and your waiting to see them

This is similar description to me and I was prescribed. Will dm you the name of the practice that prescribed me

That makes sense, gut inflammation and sleep issues are both legit grounds for that script. Saying antibiotics messed your gut and you’re under gastro review is accurate and safe wording for the consult. @Lucid
I think all CBD should be legal IMO

 

[BeMe]

That makes sense, gut inflammation and sleep issues are both legit grounds for that script. Saying antibiotics messed your gut and you’re under gastro review is accurate and safe wording for the consult. @Lucid
I think all CBD should be legal IMO

For sure. Keeping it behind a prescription wall is ridiculous considering how much we know about it now.

 

[LevButlerov]

For sure. Keeping it behind a prescription wall is ridiculous considering how much we know about it now.

I think that applies to all THC, CBD and steroids.

 

[waggat]

Food yesterday.

Dinner was simple but worked out well as it allowed me to hit macros perfectly.

Current Ped's (adding this after @HarleyGuy mentioned it).
Changed to the below one week ago:
Test E - 375mg/week
EQ - 360mg/week
Anavar - 30mg/day

 

[LevButlerov]

Food yesterday.

View attachment 129334

Dinner was simple but worked out well as it allowed me to hit macros perfectly.

View attachment 129337

Current Ped's (adding this after @HarleyGuy mentioned it).
Changed to the below one week ago:
Test E - 375mg/week
EQ - 360mg/week
Anavar - 30mg/day

Good protein level I like carbs there too
The eq dose has to drop though to 150 asap @waggat

 

[waggat]

Workout today.

Felt really good today. Very happy with back and bicep strength.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

14/10/25 - Pull day

One arm straight arm pulldown (lb)
Warmup, 17.5x12, 27.5x11, 35x9
Thought I was weak but had the weights too high compared to last week.

Close grip pulldown (lb)
Warmups, 150x11, 170x11, 190x10
Really happy with the control on these.

HS iso row (kg each side)
Warmup, 45x11, 55x11, 65x10
Same as above, nice and controlled.

Reverse grip facepull (lb)
25x15, 35x12, 45x11

Cable reverse fly (lb each side)
12.5x13, 15x11

Concentration curl (kg db)
Warmups, 10x15, 15x12, 20x10
20's felt good! Will up the ramp sets next time.

Incline curl (kg db's)
10x11, 12.5x10, 15x8
Getting somewhere with these now.

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill

 

[waggat]

Good protein level I like carbs there too
The eq dose has to drop though to 150 asap @waggat

@LevButlerov I thought we wanted 1:1 based on my high E2 and reducing AI?

 

[waggat]

EQ would make sense here since you’re aromatizing that high even with Adex daily. Dropping test slightly, say to around 300–350 mg, and matching EQ close to that will help balance out e2 without crushing it. EQ tends to lower e2 a bit so you may find you can back off the Adex once it stabilizes.
Test C is fine to swap for Test E, they’re basically interchangeable other than release curve.
With 400 mg/ml EQ it really depends on the carrier, some labs make it smooth but many cause pip because of the solvent load, so split pins or warm the vial if needed. Get the new bloods before adjusting too much, but the plan makes sense on paper.

This one @LevButlerov

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Food yesterday.

View attachment 129334

Dinner was simple but worked out well as it allowed me to hit macros perfectly.

View attachment 129337

Current Ped's (adding this after @HarleyGuy mentioned it).
Changed to the below one week ago:
Test E - 375mg/week
EQ - 360mg/week
Anavar - 30mg/day

Exciting stuff man!!! This is almost exactly what I'm gonna do for my first stacked cycle in summer, execpt I'm gonna use Turinabol now I've found a source and save Anavar for winter. I'm very much looking forward to the Anavar how are you finding it bro?

Also nice work on the concentration curl increase Im gonna push the weight up a bit more next time too.

Those are good looking meals too bro, nice work. Must have made lots of dishes to wash making that! It's not that simple haha

Things are heating up bro!

 

[waggat]

Exciting stuff man!!! This is almost exactly what I'm gonna do for my first stacked cycle in summer, execpt I'm gonna use Turinabol now I've found a source and save Anavar for winter. I'm very much looking forward to the Anavar how are you finding it bro?

Also nice work on the concentration curl increase Im gonna push the weight up a bit more next time too.

Those are good looking meals too bro, nice work. Must have made lots of dishes to wash making that! It's not that simple haha

Things are heating up bro!

Hey mate, yeah the Anavar seems good. Nothing crazy but definitely noticed an increase in strength and endurance. Even if I push a few hard sets, I've often added another.

Overall the cycle and even just the TRT before it feels awesome. After years of no strength increases or physique changes it feels so good to be making progress on both. I might actually write a post at some stage on misconceptions of PED's though (I had them for sure). It's still a lot of hard work so big respect to all the people here making progress hey!

Yeah the cleaning required with cooking gets a bit old hey. I suppose you get in a routine and it's not too bad though.

 

[BeMe]

I think that applies to all THC, CBD and steroids.

I'd go 1 step further and say all drugs. Let people have what they want. Regulate it and make it safe. Then use the tax profits to pay for rehab and medical clinics to support their use

 

[BeMe]

Hey mate, yeah the Anavar seems good. Nothing crazy but definitely noticed an increase in strength and endurance. Even if I push a few hard sets, I've often added another.

Overall the cycle and even just the TRT before it feels awesome. After years of no strength increases or physique changes it feels so good to be making progress on both. I might actually write a post at some stage on misconceptions of PED's though (I had them for sure). It's still a lot of hard work so big respect to all the people here making progress hey!

Yeah the cleaning required with cooking gets a bit old hey. I suppose you get in a routine and it's not too bad though.

That's the key to training bro..it's not just the peds leading to your progression it's the consistency. You will see when you come off this cycle, you will still keep making progression in the gym.

Dialing in your diet and staying consistent in the gym is the key to success. The peds only help.

 

[waggat]

That's the key to training bro..it's not just the peds leading to your progression it's the consistency. You will see when you come off this cycle, you will still keep making progression in the gym.

Dialing in your diet and staying consistent in the gym is the key to success. The peds only help.

Yeah definitely seeing that. I liked to blame my poor genetics (and while this counts for something) I wasn't doing any cardio (used to being a 'hardgainer' when young), wasn't properly tracking macros and didn't really have a plan.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Workout today.

Felt really good today. Very happy with back and bicep strength.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

14/10/25 - Pull day

One arm straight arm pulldown (lb)
Warmup, 17.5x12, 27.5x11, 35x9
Thought I was weak but had the weights too high compared to last week.

Close grip pulldown (lb)
Warmups, 150x11, 170x11, 190x10
Really happy with the control on these.

HS iso row (kg each side)
Warmup, 45x11, 55x11, 65x10
Same as above, nice and controlled.

Reverse grip facepull (lb)
25x15, 35x12, 45x11

Cable reverse fly (lb each side)
12.5x13, 15x11

Concentration curl (kg db)
Warmups, 10x15, 15x12, 20x10
20's felt good! Will up the ramp sets next time.

Incline curl (kg db's)
10x11, 12.5x10, 15x8
Getting somewhere with these now.

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill

Nice workout brother strong numbers!! Nice the days we get in there and strength is right up

 

[waggat]

Nice workout brother strong numbers!! Nice the days we get in there and strength is right up

Thanks mate!

 

[BeMe]

Yeah definitely seeing that. I liked to blame my poor genetics (and while this counts for something) I wasn't doing any cardio (used to being a 'hardgainer' when young), wasn't properly tracking macros and didn't really have a plan.

Genetics can hold you back too but only so much. Genetics has more to do with aesthetics than anything else. .

You can build mass if you want, it will just take a lot longer. Requires more dedication and consistency. Just means when you finally get there you'll have earned it more than others.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I had some weird ugl nolvadex that made me feel HORRIBLE, but that may not be the case for you. If you start taking it and notice dark thoughts and really low mood, I find it helpful to remember that it’s just the chemicals playing tricks on me. Lots of other loggers taking nolvadex and not reporting this, could have been my product. I like aromasin. It’s the only actual AI I’ve taken. It works straight up, and I can’t even tell I’ve taken anything other than complete remission of acne and nipple sensitivity and improved bloodwork

I took 20mg nolva twice a day and @LevButlerov had to advise me to cut it in half after only about 6 days. I immediately noticed I was irritable and royally pissed off at things and people which is not good, I generally try and be super chipper. Felt like an Operator Syndrome "trigger" that I couldn't snap out of. I hear you.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Current Ped's (adding this after @HarleyGuy mentioned it).
Changed to the below one week ago:
Test E - 375mg/week
EQ - 360mg/week
Anavar - 30mg/day

Keep us posted on this and enjoy the pumps!

Your meals look like your have OCD and I love it I want to come over and eat your daily intake all at once! Macro ratios are perfect for you and workouts are in check. Keep er going!

 

[LevButlerov]

I'd go 1 step further and say all drugs. Let people have what they want. Regulate it and make it safe. Then use the tax profits to pay for rehab and medical clinics to support their use

I can respect that. I think the harder drugs should be decriminalized and proper treatment allowed for users. @BeMe

 

[waggat]

Keep us posted on this and enjoy the pumps!

Your meals look like your have OCD and I love it I want to come over and eat your daily intake all at once! Macro ratios are perfect for you and workouts are in check. Keep er going!

Thanks mate!
Figure since I'm taking photos of the dinners I may as well make it look presentable with the garnishes that the recipe lists .

Yeah feeling like I've got everything pretty sorted at the moment. Sleep is the last piece of the puzzle. Hoping some combination of cutting from 6 to 5 days training, a deload week and CBD will get that sorted.

 

[waggat]

@LevButlerov I thought we wanted 1:1 based on my high E2 and reducing AI?

This one @LevButlerov

Sorry to bother you @LevButlerov .... You already do a superhuman job replying to all these logs.
Just wanted to see if you saw this.

 

[BeMe]

Sorry to bother you @LevButlerov .... You already do a superhuman job replying to all these logs.
Just wanted to see if you saw this.

You're an Aussie right @waggat

Reason I ask is cuz Aussies seem to get more e2 reduction then North Americans

 

[LevButlerov]

Sorry to bother you @LevButlerov .... You already do a superhuman job replying to all these logs.
Just wanted to see if you saw this.

yes sorry I missed that convo. did you get updated labs? because the last labs I found clicking back were these
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-at-47-log.106498/post-1850630

Got lab results from yesterday.

I've inserted the hormone page and just attached the rest. Looks like I got E2 generally under control. Note on timings and doses:

08 Oct - Blood test
07 Oct - ~0.7mg Adex
06 Oct - 2 x 0.5mg Adex
Before the above dates was 0.5mg/day (which I don't think was quite enough and I was feeling nipple sensitivity hence the above increases).

View attachment 127473

looks like E2 settled imo I dont think we need to do much for it. @waggat

 

[waggat]

yes sorry I missed that convo. did you get updated labs? because the last labs I found clicking back were these
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-at-47-log.106498/post-1850630

looks like E2 settled imo I dont think we need to do much for it. @waggat

Yes E2 was under control in latest labs (126 with range of <150) @LevButlerov

That was with 0.5mg Adex/ day plus some extra doses in there.

So do you think 1:1 test to EQ is ok if I have dropped Adex to 0.5mg EOD?

 

[waggat]

You're an Aussie right @waggat

Reason I ask is cuz Aussies seem to get more e2 reduction then North Americans

Yeah Aussie mate.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah Aussie mate.

The concensus amongst your compatriots seems to be running test to EQ 2:1

I do remember you being and insanely high aromatizer though. Maybe the 1:1 would work well for you.

It's an interesting situation. I know @Mobster doesn't like people controlling their e2 with steroids, but in your situation it might be good.

 

[waggat]

The concensus amongst your compatriots seems to be running test to EQ 2:1

I do remember you being and insanely high aromatizer though. Maybe the 1:1 would work well for you.

It's an interesting situation. I know @Mobster doesn't like people controlling their e2 with steroids, but in your situation it might be good.

Yeah who could forget E2 of 360 on 130mg/week TRT .

And even the latest result which was ok was with ~0.8mg/day Adex the two days before the test as I was feeling symptoms on 0.5/day.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah who could forget E2 of 360 on 130mg/week TRT .

And even the latest result which was ok was with ~0.8mg/day Adex the two days before the test as I was feeling symptoms on 0.5/day.

Ya you were something special. I remember thinking it was some kinda mistake when you started but you had multiple tests.

It will be a positive if you ever run GH. With a low dose of test you'll have plenty of E2 to fuel growth while running GH and it won't go to waste. Gotta find some silver lining here for you bro lol

 

[HarleyGuy]

Sorry to bother you @LevButlerov .... You already do a superhuman job replying to all these logs.
Just wanted to see if you saw this.

Never test "The Entity", he's like CityTV, he's everywhere!

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes E2 was under control in latest labs (126 with range of <150) @LevButlerov

That was with 0.5mg Adex/ day plus some extra doses in there.

So do you think 1:1 test to EQ is ok if I have dropped Adex to 0.5mg EOD?

This is a hard one.

How about we go 1:1 test:eq and drop the arimidex and retest bloods in 2 weeks, possible with your budget? @waggat

 

[HarleyGuy]

This is a hard one.

How about we go 1:1 test:eq and drop the arimidex and retest bloods in 2 weeks, possible with your budget? @waggat

This is super cool... it's above my paygrade but I love watching you coach this out @LevButlerov. However this ends up it should go in the EQ thread.

 

[LevButlerov]

This is super cool... it's above my paygrade but I love watching you coach this out @LevButlerov. However this ends up it should go in the EQ thread.

I agree, I really hope it works for @waggat so we can add it to the mega thread.

 

[waggat]

This is a hard one.

How about we go 1:1 test:eq and drop the arimidex and retest bloods in 2 weeks, possible with your budget? @waggat

Sounds good. Had planned for bloods around then @LevButlerov

Can get them pretty cheap through a site called Roidsafe (in case there is any other Aussies here that didn't know). 80 bucks but they do discount for more.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Definetely agree with @LevButlerov only way is to run it and check bloods.

I understand some dont support the idea of using ped's as ai's but regardless of the intented use, some compounds such as eq have been proven to impact E2 conversion and need to be taken into consideration.

@waggat you can also custom choose what tests you want through imedical also. So while your fine tuning your ratios you can just pick test & e2 and will only cost you about 50-60 bucks if this helps.

 

[waggat]

Definetely agree with @LevButlerov only way is to run it and check bloods.

I understand some dont support the idea of using ped's as ai's but regardless of the intented use, some compounds such as eq have been proven to impact E2 conversion and need to be taken into consideration.

@waggat you can also custom choose what tests you want through imedical also. So while your fine tuning your ratios you can just pick test & e2 and will only cost you about 50-60 bucks if this helps.

Hey mate, yeah good point re imedical.

 

[waggat]

Food yesterday.

Dinner yesterday was a Vietnamese pork bowl. Was pretty good.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Food yesterday.

View attachment 129961

Dinner yesterday was a Vietnamese pork bowl. Was pretty good.

View attachment 129962

Are you an undercover chef or something
Foods always awesome

 

[waggat]

Are you an undercover chef or something
Foods always awesome

Haha... Nah just always trying new recipes to see what the family likes. Not a good cook really, I just always follow recipes exactly including presentation.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Haha... Nah just always trying new recipes to see what the family likes. Not a good cook really, I just always follow recipes exactly including presentation.

Love that honesty haha, well can never stray too far off line if we follow proper instruction.
Awesome meals regardless brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Food yesterday.

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Dinner yesterday was a Vietnamese pork bowl. Was pretty good.

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Good macros and I love that Vietnamese bowl

 

[LevButlerov]

Sounds good. Had planned for bloods around then @LevButlerov

Can get them pretty cheap through a site called Roidsafe (in case there is any other Aussies here that didn't know). 80 bucks but they do discount for more.

Yup get those bloods plan it out

 

[BeMe]

Haha... Nah just always trying new recipes to see what the family likes. Not a good cook really, I just always follow recipes exactly including presentation.

You got an eye for style @waggat cuz those plates look amazing

 

[waggat]

You got an eye for style @waggat cuz those plates look amazing

Thanks mate. I must admit, since I'm taking photos to show what I eat, I figure I may as well make them look good .

 

[HarleyGuy]

Food yesterday.

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Dinner yesterday was a Vietnamese pork bowl. Was pretty good.

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Your macros are so on point for your goals! Well planned out good job!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thanks mate. I must admit, since I'm taking photos to show what I eat, I figure I may as well make them look good .

Makes me feel like such a grunt. Get meat to thaw, put meat on BBQ, eat it. LOL

 

[waggat]

Food yesterday.

Dinner was chilli con carne. Was alright. Easy to make.

 

[waggat]

Your macros are so on point for your goals! Well planned out good job!

Thanks mate! I'm in a good rhythm with getting the required macros now.

Was happy to see some lines between ab muscles for the first time the other day.

 

[waggat]

Makes me feel like such a grunt. Get meat to thaw, put meat on BBQ, eat it. LOL

Dinner is the only thing that changes and I put effort into since it's for the family as well. My breakfast is basically gruel and my lunch is rice, frozen veg and bulk cooked chicken.

 

[PharmabolicsOz]

Thanks mate! I'm in a good rhythm with getting the required macros now.

Was happy to see some lines between ab muscles for the first time the other day.

We LOVE to hear that bro keep up the outstanding work

 

[waggat]

Workout today.

Not much to report as I've decided to take a de-load week. In the past I found poor sleep to be a decent indicator of needing one.

I either kept the number of sets the same but dropped all weights by ~10% or dropped the top set altogether.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

16/10/25 - Legs

Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 70x12, 85x10, 95x8

SLDL (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10, 80x10

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
10x10, 18x10, 24x9

HS V squat (kg)
20x15, 40x13

Calf machine (kg)
Warmup, 70x12, 90x11, 110x11

Dragon flags
2x15

Side Planks

20 min incline treadmill

 

[PharmabolicsOz]

Workout today.

Not much to report as I've decided to take a de-load week. In the past I found poor sleep to be a decent indicator of needing one.

I either kept the number of sets the same but dropped all weights by ~10% or dropped the top set altogether.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

16/10/25 - Legs

Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 70x12, 85x10, 95x8

SLDL (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10, 80x10

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
10x10, 18x10, 24x9

HS V squat (kg)
20x15, 40x13

Calf machine (kg)
Warmup, 70x12, 90x11, 110x11

Dragon flags
2x15

Side Planks

20 min incline treadmill

Solid work even on a deload week. Smart call listening to your body and pulling back when sleep starts slipping; it’s underrated how much that impacts recovery and performance.
Those SLDLs still look like solid volume, and reverse lunges from a step with 24s on a deload? Respect. Good mix of mobility, cardio, and core work too, dragon flags during a deload is a flex in itself.
Hope the lighter week helps reset things and gets the sleep back on track.

 

[waggat]

Solid work even on a deload week. Smart call listening to your body and pulling back when sleep starts slipping; it’s underrated how much that impacts recovery and performance.
Those SLDLs still look like solid volume, and reverse lunges from a step with 24s on a deload? Respect. Good mix of mobility, cardio, and core work too, dragon flags during a deload is a flex in itself.
Hope the lighter week helps reset things and gets the sleep back on track.

Thanks mate. It's hard to force myself to do it but worth it in the long run.

Slowly getting there with SLDL's after coming back from a lower back injury. These felt really good actually. Will keep the reps 10+ going forward.

Yeah for some reason the reverse lunge from step has been feeling really light lately. Used 30's last time and still have more in me (don't want to push it though).

Dragon flags were bent knee though to reduce the load .

 

[PharmabolicsOz]

Thanks mate. It's hard to force myself to do it but worth it in the long run.

Slowly getting there with SLDL's after coming back from a lower back injury. These felt really good actually. Will keep the reps 10+ going forward.

Yeah for some reason the reverse lunge from step has been feeling really light lately. Used 30's last time and still have more in me (don't want to push it though).

Dragon flags were bent knee though to reduce the load .

regardless sold work overall

 

[LevButlerov]

Food yesterday.

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Dinner was chilli con carne. Was alright. Easy to make.

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Your meals look amazing every time, you making these? @waggat

 

[waggat]

Your meals look amazing every time, you making these? @waggat

@LevButlerov Yeah normally I just find recipes that look good and follow them. I get a lot from a site called Recipetin Eats.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov Yeah normally I just find recipes that look good and follow them. I get a lot from a site called Recipetin Eats.

whatever you find, you're the cook right looks really good! I'm serious. @waggat

 

[waggat]

Food yesterday.

Had to make some adjustments as it was one of my kids birthday and I had some cake. Note to Aussies out there, Coles white chocolate mud cake is my go to. Heaps better than a lot of fancy cakes I've had.

Dinner was chilli and garlic prawns. Probably won't be able to have it again as despite playing with the recipe to reduce spiciness it's still too much for one of my kids.

 

[LevButlerov]

Food yesterday.

Had to make some adjustments as it was one of my kids birthday and I had some cake. Note to Aussies out there, Coles white chocolate mud cake is my go to. Heaps better than a lot of fancy cakes I've had.

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Dinner was chilli and garlic prawns. Probably won't be able to have it again as despite playing with the recipe to reduce spiciness it's still too much for one of my kids.

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Happy Birthday to your kid happy to see more bdays. EVO family love your way!
A bit of cake no problem!

 

[PharmabolicsOz]

Food yesterday.

Had to make some adjustments as it was one of my kids birthday and I had some cake. Note to Aussies out there, Coles white chocolate mud cake is my go to. Heaps better than a lot of fancy cakes I've had.

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Dinner was chilli and garlic prawns. Probably won't be able to have it again as despite playing with the recipe to reduce spiciness it's still too much for one of my kids.

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Happy Birthday to your kid

Coles white chocolate mud cake is my go to. Heaps better than a lot of fancy cakes I've had.

I am gonna have to disagree with you there....Aldi's mud cake, without question is the superior

 

[waggat]

Happy Birthday to your kid


I am gonna have to disagree with you there....Aldi's mud cake, without question is the superior

Interesting. Will have to try it. I'm quite a fan of the Woolworths caramel mud cake as well.

 

[waggat]

Happy Birthday to your kid happy to see more bdays. EVO family love your way!
A bit of cake no problem!

Thanks mate!

 

[BeMe]

Food yesterday.

Had to make some adjustments as it was one of my kids birthday and I had some cake. Note to Aussies out there, Coles white chocolate mud cake is my go to. Heaps better than a lot of fancy cakes I've had.

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Dinner was chilli and garlic prawns. Probably won't be able to have it again as despite playing with the recipe to reduce spiciness it's still too much for one of my kids.

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You guys don't say shrimp? Those look like shrimp not prawns.

What happened to "throw another shrimp on the barbie"?

Do you guys not say shrimp cuz of people always saying that lol

 

[waggat]

You guys don't say shrimp? Those look like shrimp not prawns.

What happened to "throw another shrimp on the barbie"?

Do you guys not say shrimp cuz of people always saying that lol

Haha. As far as I'm aware, Aussies have never said shrimp. Its always been a bit of a joke how they got that saying wrong since we don't say it.

 

[waggat]

Workout yesterday.

Second day of de-load week. Was a bit of a session where I'm glad it was a de-load as the weights were feeling heavy.

20 min incline treadmill

17/10/25 - Push

HS incline press (kg each side)
Warmups, 27.5x10, 32.5x10, 37.5x8

Db bench press (kg each)
25x12, 30x10, 35x9

Db lateral raise bent arm (kg each)
Warmup, 9x12, 12.5x10, 15x9

Cable lateral (lb)
15x10

Rope tricep pushdown (kg)
12.5x15, 17.5x12, 21x12

PJR pullover (kg)
22.5x14, 27.5x13, 32.5x12

20 min incline treadmill

 

[waggat]

Food yesterday.

Had a bit of a refeed for dinner as we had Chinese takeaway. Tracked the macros as best as I could.

 

[BeMe]

Haha. As far as I'm aware, Aussies have never said shrimp. Its always been a bit of a joke how they got that saying wrong since we don't say it.

That makes it even funnier actually.

Shrimp and prawns are actually different tho. Funny you guys call me all prawns. You guys are funny even when you don't try haha. Love Aussies

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks mate!

EVO family support

 

[toddthelineman]

The concensus amongst your compatriots seems to be running test to EQ 2:1

I do remember you being and insanely high aromatizer though. Maybe the 1:1 would work well for you.

It's an interesting situation. I know @Mobster doesn't like people controlling their e2 with steroids, but in your situation it might be good.

S.gentz is running double to one eq/test. He says other steroids don’t effect his s2 at all.

 

[BeMe]

S.gentz is running double to one eq/test. He says other steroids don’t effect his s2 at all.

All the Aussies seem to report huge e2 drops on EQ but Americans not so much. I'm curious to see how it goes when I try it.

Canadians are like half American half Australian basically lol

 

[waggat]

Bit of a different touchdown:

Used it last night. I woke up after 6 hours. Had to go to the toilet and let the cats out but was still able to get back to sleep.

 

[toddthelineman]

All the Aussies seem to report huge e2 drops on EQ but Americans not so much. I'm curious to see how it goes when I try it.

Canadians are like half American half Australian basically lol

I bet it all comes down to health. Some of it is probably quantifiable. Such as: skewed liver enzymes and higher e2.

 

[BeMe]

Bit of a different touchdown:

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Used it last night. I woke up after 6 hours. Had to go to the toilet and let the cats out but was still able to get back to sleep.

Nice touch. I love the warning label about it being a controlled drug lol. What a joke.

Between the CBD and peeing sitting down were sleeping twins now lol

 

[BeMe]

I bet it all comes down to health. Some of it is probably quantifiable. Such as: skewed liver enzymes and higher e2.

Someone should do a study. That would be interesting

 

[waggat]

Nice touch. I love the warning label about it being a controlled drug lol. What a joke.

Between the CBD and peeing sitting down were sleeping twins now lol

Yeah it's funny.... Aussies are known for being laid back but unfortunately in reality everyone seems to love rules and authority. The government has happily given us that. Wouldn't mind hearing @vanlife_gymbum 's take on this.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah it's funny.... Aussies are known for being laid back but unfortunately in reality everyone seems to love rules and authority. The government has happily given us that. Wouldn't mind hearing @vanlife_gymbum 's take on this.

It seems the entire western world is turning into a bunch of nanny states. Here in Canada they're coming for our guns like they did to you guys back in the 90s was it? AUS and the UK have always led the way in terms of nanny states but Canada is seriously trying to play catch-up lately..it's getting scary.

They're trying to push in a bill right now that will allow them to just look in our bank accounts and Internet histories with "reasonable grounds". Of course they determine what's reasonable right...

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Haha. As far as I'm aware, Aussies have never said shrimp. Its always been a bit of a joke how they got that saying wrong since we don't say it.

You'd be right. It comes from an American TV commercial, they hired Steve Irwin to say some Aussie sounding shit and those are the lines they gave him. There's also this Australia themed chain restaurant that sells Fosters beer - only place I've ever seen it.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Yeah it's funny.... Aussies are known for being laid back but unfortunately in reality everyone seems to love rules and authority. The government has happily given us that. Wouldn't mind hearing @vanlife_gymbum 's take on this.

Yeah bro it's atcually a full on police state, they just hide it away well. I had a ground floor apartment on King Street in Melbourne, it's the main dodgy street in the central city with all the strip clubs and shit and right across the road was one of the unmarked police stations, they are EVERYWHERE and I watched this one for a couple years and it's crazy how it works. There's a huge surveillance camera network called the Safe City network which lots of govt departments have access to, I did some work on it one and saw it in person and it's scary, so as soon as anything happens like ten policeman appear seemingly out of thin air and are right there... they come out or these places.

Australia and NZ are also full members of the five eyes network, and were not quite as bitshit crazy obsessed with surveillance like they are in the UK but Australia is not far off... the cops are dodgy as fuck too.

But yeah, I agree with @BeMe the West are full on Nanny states now... NZ would definatly rival Canada in that department. I can't get testosterone from a doctor for normal valid reasons, but if I appointment myself into some group they could score PC points out of they'd bend over backwards, probably offer to do the shot right then and there incase I want to go away and think about it.

Is that what you guys were talking about? Nice you got the CBD you were after bro, hope it helps you. What state are you in?

 

[Allupfromhere]

You guys don't say shrimp? Those look like shrimp not prawns.

What happened to "throw another shrimp on the barbie"?

Do you guys not say shrimp cuz of people always saying that lol

Hahaha brother no aussie ever says that to be honest it rare someone ever puts on prawns on the bbq if they have people over lol

All the Aussies seem to report huge e2 drops on EQ but Americans not so much. I'm curious to see how it goes when I try it.

Canadians are like half American half Australian basically lol

Definetely interested to see when you do try brother!

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

rare someone ever puts on prawns on the bbq if they have people over lol!

Totally bro! probably because they're so fucking expensive.. my old girlfriends family tradition was to get them for Christmas and I seen other families do that too. I like them and all but that allergic response or whatever get when you cut yourself with it while peeling them is a bit dodgy and I dunno, something seems dirty about them. I don't know what to think about seafood, I'd love to be able to gather it and fish myself and be more self sufficient, but keep forgetting we've completely poisoned the earth and I live not that far from the main port, there's gonna be tons of poison in there...

 

[Allupfromhere]

Totally bro! probably because they're so fucking expensive.. my old girlfriends family tradition was to get them for Christmas and I seen other families do that too. I like them and all but that allergic response or whatever get when you cut yourself with it while peeling them is a bit dodgy and I dunno, something seems dirty about them. I don't know what to think about seafood, I'd love to be able to gather it and fish myself and be more self sufficient, but keep forgetting we've completely poisoned the earth and I live not that far from the main port, there's gonna be tons of poison in there...

Haha for sure! Should have said christmas is about the only time it happens and yeah mate everything here is so damn expensive it makes me sick lol. Nz is king for fishing bro surely some better rock fishing isnt to far away no?

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Haha for sure! Should have said christmas is about the only time it happens and yeah mate everything here is so damn expensive it makes me sick lol. Nz is king for fishing bro surely some better rock fishing isnt to far away no?

I'm really not sure man - I do want to learn though and I'd drive a few hours no problem if it would get me away from pollution. The type of fly fishing NZ is famous internationally for isn't anywhere near here from what I can tell. And all the fisherman I've talked to were like hobbyists and didn't even eat the fish. One guy was laughing about how he hates it and haven't eaten it since he was a kid... like why wouldn't you take up hunting or something instead... going fishing all day then eating at McDonald's on the way home is so fucking lame. I have a trip to this abandoned walf planned next Sunday with a guy who gets muscles off the rocks somewhere near, I'm keen to see that. My mates and I used to go to this giant cave on the west coast of thr south Island evey new years for a week and drink San Pedro cactus and pick muscles off thr rocks and throw them straight on the fire, the steam builds inside as they cook and cracks them open for you. They were real nice... they're $8 a kilo at the supermarket but I'd probably rather buy the ones preserved in juice if I'm going to get them from there. You're in Victoria aye? I had a mate who's family lived in Frankston and had jetskies and a boat and shit and they were fully into fishing and eating it.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I'm really not sure man - I do want to learn though and I'd drive a few hours no problem if it would get me away from pollution. The type of fly fishing NZ is famous internationally for isn't anywhere near here from what I can tell. And all the fisherman I've talked to were like hobbyists and didn't even eat the fish. One guy was laughing about how he hates it and haven't eaten it since he was a kid... like why wouldn't you take up hunting or something instead... going fishing all day then eating at McDonald's on the way home is so fucking lame. I have a trip to this abandoned walf planned next Sunday with a guy who gets muscles off the rocks somewhere near, I'm keen to see that. My mates and I used to go to this giant cave on the west coast of thr south Island evey new years for a week and drink San Pedro cactus and pick muscles off thr rocks and throw them straight on the fire, the steam builds inside as they cook and cracks them open for you. They were real nice... they're $8 a kilo at the supermarket but I'd probably rather buy the ones preserved in juice if I'm going to get them from there. You're in Victoria aye? I had a mate who's family lived in Frankston and had jetskies and a boat and shit and they were fully into fishing and eating it.

NZ is small enough that any good fishing is close if you know where to look haha. I could eat muscles everyday i love seafood, must come from my asian/spanish side lol.
Yeah bro vic for me! One of my closest mates lives in franston! That part of port phillip bay has good access to decent fishing but south end of the mornington peninsula is killer for solid fishing.

I fish westernport mostly which is the smaller of the two big bays in vic and the fishing there is top notch. We chase heaps of game fish up the east coast when the warmer weather sets in though, kingfish, marlin, yellowfin etc.