how would you use test and EQ with a winstrol finisher?

[riamveri]

What’s up everybody? I’m looking for your advice when it comes to using testosterone and equipoise and finishing out with some winstrol. I’m looking for a nice cycle that will really enhance my physique.
I’m 25 years old and I am 5’10”, 195 lbs. I’m about 12% body fat. Do you think 250 mg a week of testosterone, 600 mg a week of equipoise and 50 mg a day? The last 4 weeks with winstrol would be the icing on the cake.

 

[Allupfromhere]

What’s up everybody? I’m looking for your advice when it comes to using testosterone and equipoise and finishing out with some winstrol. I’m looking for a nice cycle that will really enhance my physique.
I’m 25 years old and I am 5’10”, 195 lbs. I’m about 12% body fat. Do you think 250 mg a week of testosterone, 600 mg a week of equipoise and 50 mg a day? The last 4 weeks with winstrol would be the icing on the cake.

You have good stats and at 12% bf for your height and weight you would already look great. This combination of compounds could be perfect in either setting for a cut or a slight recomp.

The complicated part is the test to eq ratio.
We have been following a ton of logs from the evo family in recent months trying to get a better idead of this. However the reflection shows that it is just sooo different from person to person.

Some people can run eq higher then test and be no worries and then others have been seen to have a 3:1 test/eq ratio and still have their estrogen nuked.
I have run 1.2:1 test:eq and e2 was ruined and others it suits perfectly.
My sweet spot is 2.5:1 test:eq.

Then there are others who run eq higher then test and still need to use an ai to control estrogen.

So now im not trying to scare you off eq but it can be complicated to figure out for your first time. Also keep in mind the equipoise is a very long lasting compound so to get the full benifits from it my opinion is to run around a 16 week cycle. This also will stretch out your recovery time and being 25 you will want to pct properly brother as you got a lot of years ahead of you.

So before i give my 2c worth. Whats your goals for the cyle brother? You looking to cut, recomp or lean bulk? There may be a better protocol for your goals at your age is all.

5'10 and 195lbs at 12% seems like you are already on track with training and nutrition but there is always room for improvement
Whats your previous Ped history? Have you run cycles before?

I only ask these as no ones wants to give bad or inaccurate advice to a brother and its hard to give the right advice if we dont know much more about you, you see where im coming from?

Whats your base look like now bro? Can you share a couple of physique photos so we can assess. Just blurr out your face or stick an emoji over your head so you keep your privacy. Just know Evo is a place of no judgement either legend you will only find help and support here if you help us help you.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Also keep in mind the equipoise is a very long lasting compound so to get the full benifits from it my opinion is to run around a 16 week cycle. This also will stretch out your recovery time and being 25 you will want to pct properly brother as you got a lot of years ahead of you.

Great reply bro I think that lays it out nicely. I think this point you made above is overlooked quite a bit. I'm in a position where I've already ruined my body before all this and need TRT, so PCT isn't a big concern personally anymore but before my medical problems I was borderline obsessed with PCT and don't see how it'd work smoothly with EQ.

I'm half way through week 5 of 500mg testosterone and 250mg equipoise. I picked that based on a 2:1 test to eq ratio I got from advice from @LevButlerov and form the eq community research thread which is about eq ratios and doses and decided on 16 weeks thanks to @HarleyGuy sharing his experience with me and I can't feel anything yet apart from the testosterone and aren't expecting to until after the 8 week mark, where I'm going to add Anadrol.

So 16 weeks seems to me to be the minimum really, and then the undecylenate ester is so long that you can't just start PCT after two weeks off the eq shots, it'll be in there for ages and I have no idea how long you'd have to wait to start PCT and how being shut down for that long (six months plus) would affect you.

@riamveri I'll link you a couple of Evo podcast episodes that talk about this stack and the compounds.

This is a good episode about dosing Winstrol:

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There's an episode of the podcast about stacking winstrol and anavar that mentions your proposed EQ stack and will help with your decisions and give you some dosing advice too, and the episodes on EQ itself are well worth listening to for what you're considering:

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Good half hour episode about Winstrol from last year with some new info:

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[HarleyGuy]

Great reply bro I think that lays it out nicely. I think this point you made above is overlooked quite a bit. I'm in a position where I've already ruined my body before all this and need TRT, so PCT isn't a big concern personally anymore but before my medical problems I was borderline obsessed with PCT and don't see how it'd work smoothly with EQ.

I'm half way through week 5 of 500mg testosterone and 250mg equipoise. I picked that based on a 2:1 test to eq ratio I got from advice from @LevButlerov and form the eq community research thread which is about eq ratios and doses and decided on 16 weeks thanks to @HarleyGuy sharing his experience with me and I can't feel anything yet apart from the testosterone and aren't expecting to until after the 8 week mark, where I'm going to add Anadrol.

So 16 weeks seems to me to be the minimum really, and then the undecylenate ester is so long that you can't just start PCT after two weeks off the eq shots, it'll be in there for ages and I have no idea how long you'd have to wait to start PCT and how being shut down for that long (six months plus) would affect you.

@riamveri I'll link you a couple of Evo podcast episodes that talk about this stack and the compounds.

This is a good episode about dosing Winstrol:

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This episode from last year just about Equipoise contains updated studies info and I got a lot from this one in my Equipoise research:

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There's an episode of the podcast about stacking winstrol and anavar that mentions your proposed EQ stack and will help with your decisions and give you some dosing advice too, and the episodes on EQ itself are well worth listening to for what you're considering:

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Good half hour episode about Winstrol from last year with some new info:

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Great advice here!

Welcome to EVO bro!!

@riamveri That's not the way EQ works with Test. If you want to run 250mg of Test then EQ shouldn't be higher than 125mg along side it, to start. Keep it at a 2:1 ratio

50 mg a day?

50mg of what?

The last 4 weeks with winstrol

4 out of how many weeks?


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4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for a proper cycle suited and tailored to you)

 

[LevButlerov]

What’s up everybody? I’m looking for your advice when it comes to using testosterone and equipoise and finishing out with some winstrol. I’m looking for a nice cycle that will really enhance my physique.
I’m 25 years old and I am 5’10”, 195 lbs. I’m about 12% body fat. Do you think 250 mg a week of testosterone, 600 mg a week of equipoise and 50 mg a day? The last 4 weeks with winstrol would be the icing on the cake.

Test at 250mg with EQ at 600mg is lopsided and will feel rough on e2, better switch that 400 test 200 eq.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Great reply bro I think that lays it out nicely. I think this point you made above is overlooked quite a bit. I'm in a position where I've already ruined my body before all this and need TRT, so PCT isn't a big concern personally anymore but before my medical problems I was borderline obsessed with PCT and don't see how it'd work smoothly with EQ.

Thank you brother
I feel the same way. Eq may be better suited to ongoing trt situations with its length of ester and recovery times.

 

[JasonPriest]

You won't go wrong with Domestic supply. Their winstrol is fantastic. They have all kinds of options as well. You can get the oral or the injectable.

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro all in with napsgear winstrol and add tren! Trenbolone is great added in any situation and make sure you use Geneza Pharma.

 

[JasonPriest]

You won't go wrong with domestic supply there. Testosterone and winstrol is the best. I highly vouch for it.

 

[2Thick]

Nice job on this goat stack idea. Testosterone and winstrol is all you need, champ. You can add some equipoise if you want as an option.

 

[Ulter]

We love stacking winstrol. I like to do it the last 4 weeks. It really adds to the cycle and will help you push.

 

[Arabian]

Make sure you add n2guard it's very important. It will help with any type of liver issues that you may get on a cycle like this.

 

[chesty]

Here is how I would run this.

Equipoise 300 mg a week. Testosterone 200 mg a week and winstrol 25 mg a day.

 

[ROIDDERS]

I would stick with equipoise 500 mg a week, do testosterone at 250 mg and then switch out winstrol for anavar.

 

[ceo]

bros winstrol is the best. It will cut you up like nothing else. Great for hardening and great for drying out. I like it at 50 mg added to this testosterone.