Approved Log First cycle after gut issues Journal

[Lucid]

Hi bros & sisters

I didn’t expect much when I started looking for a bpc 157 supplier but this community is truely something different

Lots of encouragement and great support so it’s motivated me to do a thread and begin journey to get in the best shape of my life

(If you want to skip all the text and see what cycle I’m going to run and blood tests I’ve highlighted CYCLE IM RUNNING below)

I started using ped’s around Covid, I was prescribed test (sus 250) at 125mg a week for low test. My free test was around 320

Within a few weeks I immediately started getting gyno which is still with till today (started taking 250mg after a couple weeks lol)

I played with different compounds over the next year or so and did a small cycle of test + mast for about 4 weeks

And I did one proper cycle with a coach and was taking

500 test 400mast and 200 deca a week + dbol 50mg per day

I went from 93kg - 107kg in 7 weeks, but I was just one big bloated mess, my digestion started to really bother me at this time, when I stopped the bulk I started using DNP to try it, and this didn’t help with the gut issues

But I was new to all this and didn’t think much of it, thinking I was bullet proof

I then got ill and the doctors gave me anti biotics, which only made it worse, and then 7 rounds of anti biots later, I was completely destroyed, and my health just got worse and worse

I diagnosed with prostatitis so I stopped the test injections and haven’t been on anything since.

After seeing different doctors and getting all kinds of tests the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong and my health got worse

I worked with natrupaths and different specialists on a supplement protocol but my health just continuously got worse (even though I was taking 20 different supplements a day)

Until the point where food would just go straight through me, and training only made me feel worse and increased symptoms and gut discomfort.

So I found myself just stuck on the couch for 6 months only leaving to see the doctors.

I remember leaving the doctors and feeling so weak i felt like a 90 year man that couldn’t defend himself even. I was scared and feeble just praying I could make it back to the gym, and my weight dropped all the way back down to 82kg

The doctors couldn’t find what’s wrong with so after years I finally accepted it could be worst case scenario.

Luckily I did manage to find a video from Dana white on his IG and he recommended a cleanse, this was pretty much my last hope after 18months of just getting worse.


The liver cleanse and enzymes were able to allow me to start eating and digesting food again and I slowly started to get better day by day.

I also had a bad case of SIBO (methane) which was struggle to overcome.

Similar to video to the cleanse video from Dana white that changed my digestion, I came across a YouTube video on a new way to treat SIBO after a lot of trial and error, the video recommended ginger, which immediately helped me overcome that issue. (Funny how a 10$ bottle of ginger fixed such a major issue)

I have been on every diet, and the best one that helped me was the carnivore diet, 10 weeks strict carnivore and I saw a massive improvement.

Fast forward a few years, and in the last couple of weeks my strength has started to return to me

After years of low carb and not really eating much and not training hard (consistently without relapse) these last 10 weeks I just ate lots of food anything I wanted and trained hard in the gym. I just ate intuitively and immediately my body responded well.

I went from 92 to 101 kg, and currently taking a couple weeks to deload and lose some fat/ give digestion a break

I’ve had spurts of training and momentum but then my gut will crash again and I have to start from square one, but this is the best I’ve felt

Using oral bpc 157 1000mg a day over the last 10 weeks and it’s been a catalyst for my recovery
Unfortunately it’s all banned in Aus now which makes it abit difficult, which lead me here.

The positive is it’s made me appreciate training and not take it for granted.

I understand gut health, nutrition and supplements so I’ve been able to pass the info on to friends to help

Having to isolate different variables and through trial and error figure out a way reduce symptoms has taught me a lot and helped me troubleshoot problems across all areas of life.


I’m leaving for the Phillipines soon, but I’m going to start now and figure out a way to continue what I’m doing in the Phillipines and get locked in.




CYCLE IM RUNNING


Test & gh - first will get my bloods before I decide on dose but probably start small


15mg test per day + 2iu gh


I was planning to do Retatrutide, but after doing more research the last couple of days, I see people can have bad gi issues which I don’t want to mess with.

So planning to do test and gh at first, just to get a good reading on my estrogen as I convert really bad, just last week after I did my first heavy chest workout, the lump still under my left nipple started to hurt, even after all these years, so moving forward with caution.

Also thinking daily injections will help with estrogen conversion until I drop the excess fat (dr todd YouTube video taught me this and will follow his approach of increasing test and gh to increase igf 1 levels and getting blood tests every month)

Question: has anyone used the injectable bpc for gut health? The oral dose works well but interested to hear if there is other ways

Thanks for reading

(Will be getting bloods done before starting and post here)

 

[Lucid]

My Training over last few weeks - currently taking couple of weeks to deload

Legs unfortunately the leg press is all feeling in the knee not the muscle, and my back low back has been injured a couple times since my comeback so not maxing out of lifts yet.

But still been able to make them great workouts

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hi bros & sisters

I didn’t expect much when I started looking for a bpc 157 supplier but this community is truely something different

Lots of encouragement and great support so it’s motivated me to do a thread and begin journey to get in the best shape of my life

(If you want to skip all the text and see what cycle I’m going to run and blood tests I’ve highlighted CYCLE IM RUNNING below)

I started using ped’s around Covid, I was prescribed test (sus 250) at 125mg a week for low test. My free test was around 320

Within a few weeks I immediately started getting gyno which is still with till today (started taking 250mg after a couple weeks lol)

I played with different compounds over the next year or so and did a small cycle of test + mast for about 4 weeks

And I did one proper cycle with a coach and was taking

500 test 400mast and 200 deca a week + dbol 50mg per day

I went from 93kg - 107kg in 7 weeks, but I was just one big bloated mess, my digestion started to really bother me at this time, when I stopped the bulk I started using DNP to try it, and this didn’t help with the gut issues

But I was new to all this and didn’t think much of it, thinking I was bullet proof

I then got ill and the doctors gave me anti biotics, which only made it worse, and then 7 rounds of anti biots later, I was completely destroyed, and my health just got worse and worse

I diagnosed with prostatitis so I stopped the test injections and haven’t been on anything since.

After seeing different doctors and getting all kinds of tests the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong and my health got worse

I worked with natrupaths and different specialists on a supplement protocol but my health just continuously got worse (even though I was taking 20 different supplements a day)

Until the point where food would just go straight through me, and training only made me feel worse and increased symptoms and gut discomfort.

So I found myself just stuck on the couch for 6 months only leaving to see the doctors.

I remember leaving the doctors and feeling so weak i felt like a 90 year man that couldn’t defend himself even. I was scared and feeble just praying I could make it back to the gym, and my weight dropped all the way back down to 82kg

The doctors couldn’t find what’s wrong with so after years I finally accepted it could be worst case scenario.

Luckily I did manage to find a video from Dana white on his IG and he recommended a cleanse, this was pretty much my last hope after 18months of just getting worse.


The liver cleanse and enzymes were able to allow me to start eating and digesting food again and I slowly started to get better day by day.

I also had a bad case of SIBO (methane) which was struggle to overcome.

Similar to video to the cleanse video from Dana white that changed my digestion, I came across a YouTube video on a new way to treat SIBO after a lot of trial and error, the video recommended ginger, which immediately helped me overcome that issue. (Funny how a 10$ bottle of ginger fixed such a major issue)

I have been on every diet, and the best one that helped me was the carnivore diet, 10 weeks strict carnivore and I saw a massive improvement.

Fast forward a few years, and in the last couple of weeks my strength has started to return to me

After years of low carb and not really eating much and not training hard (consistently without relapse) these last 10 weeks I just ate lots of food anything I wanted and trained hard in the gym. I just ate intuitively and immediately my body responded well.

I went from 92 to 101 kg, and currently taking a couple weeks to deload and lose some fat/ give digestion a break

I’ve had spurts of training and momentum but then my gut will crash again and I have to start from square one, but this is the best I’ve felt

Using oral bpc 157 1000mg a day over the last 10 weeks and it’s been a catalyst for my recovery
Unfortunately it’s all banned in Aus now which makes it abit difficult, which lead me here.

The positive is it’s made me appreciate training and not take it for granted.

I understand gut health, nutrition and supplements so I’ve been able to pass the info on to friends to help

Having to isolate different variables and through trial and error figure out a way reduce symptoms has taught me a lot and helped me troubleshoot problems across all areas of life.


I’m leaving for the Phillipines soon, but I’m going to start now and figure out a way to continue what I’m doing in the Phillipines and get locked in.




CYCLE IM RUNNING


Test & gh - first will get my bloods before I decide on dose but probably start small


15mg test per day + 2iu gh


I was planning to do Retatrutide, but after doing more research the last couple of days, I see people can have bad gi issues which I don’t want to mess with.

So planning to do test and gh at first, just to get a good reading on my estrogen as I convert really bad, just last week after I did my first heavy chest workout, the lump still under my left nipple started to hurt, even after all these years, so moving forward with caution.

Also thinking daily injections will help with estrogen conversion until I drop the excess fat (dr todd YouTube video taught me this and will follow his approach of increasing test and gh to increase igf 1 levels and getting blood tests every month)

Question: has anyone used the injectable bpc for gut health? The oral dose works well but interested to hear if there is other ways

Thanks for reading

(Will be getting bloods done before starting and post here)

My Training over last few weeks - currently taking couple of weeks to deload

Legs unfortunately the leg press is all feeling in the knee not the muscle, and my back low back has been injured a couple times since my comeback so not maxing out of lifts yet.

But still been able to make them great workouts

Welcome to our EVO family @Lucid
You have a deep story, and I respect how you changed your life, even in a tough situation.
It was all gut health in the end.

Please share your pictures face blurred, we need to understand your base.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi bros & sisters

I didn’t expect much when I started looking for a bpc 157 supplier but this community is truely something different

Lots of encouragement and great support so it’s motivated me to do a thread and begin journey to get in the best shape of my life

(If you want to skip all the text and see what cycle I’m going to run and blood tests I’ve highlighted CYCLE IM RUNNING below)

I started using ped’s around Covid, I was prescribed test (sus 250) at 125mg a week for low test. My free test was around 320

Within a few weeks I immediately started getting gyno which is still with till today (started taking 250mg after a couple weeks lol)

I played with different compounds over the next year or so and did a small cycle of test + mast for about 4 weeks

And I did one proper cycle with a coach and was taking

500 test 400mast and 200 deca a week + dbol 50mg per day

I went from 93kg - 107kg in 7 weeks, but I was just one big bloated mess, my digestion started to really bother me at this time, when I stopped the bulk I started using DNP to try it, and this didn’t help with the gut issues

But I was new to all this and didn’t think much of it, thinking I was bullet proof

I then got ill and the doctors gave me anti biotics, which only made it worse, and then 7 rounds of anti biots later, I was completely destroyed, and my health just got worse and worse

I diagnosed with prostatitis so I stopped the test injections and haven’t been on anything since.

After seeing different doctors and getting all kinds of tests the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong and my health got worse

I worked with natrupaths and different specialists on a supplement protocol but my health just continuously got worse (even though I was taking 20 different supplements a day)

Until the point where food would just go straight through me, and training only made me feel worse and increased symptoms and gut discomfort.

So I found myself just stuck on the couch for 6 months only leaving to see the doctors.

I remember leaving the doctors and feeling so weak i felt like a 90 year man that couldn’t defend himself even. I was scared and feeble just praying I could make it back to the gym, and my weight dropped all the way back down to 82kg

The doctors couldn’t find what’s wrong with so after years I finally accepted it could be worst case scenario.

Luckily I did manage to find a video from Dana white on his IG and he recommended a cleanse, this was pretty much my last hope after 18months of just getting worse.


The liver cleanse and enzymes were able to allow me to start eating and digesting food again and I slowly started to get better day by day.

I also had a bad case of SIBO (methane) which was struggle to overcome.

Similar to video to the cleanse video from Dana white that changed my digestion, I came across a YouTube video on a new way to treat SIBO after a lot of trial and error, the video recommended ginger, which immediately helped me overcome that issue. (Funny how a 10$ bottle of ginger fixed such a major issue)

I have been on every diet, and the best one that helped me was the carnivore diet, 10 weeks strict carnivore and I saw a massive improvement.

Fast forward a few years, and in the last couple of weeks my strength has started to return to me

After years of low carb and not really eating much and not training hard (consistently without relapse) these last 10 weeks I just ate lots of food anything I wanted and trained hard in the gym. I just ate intuitively and immediately my body responded well.

I went from 92 to 101 kg, and currently taking a couple weeks to deload and lose some fat/ give digestion a break

I’ve had spurts of training and momentum but then my gut will crash again and I have to start from square one, but this is the best I’ve felt

Using oral bpc 157 1000mg a day over the last 10 weeks and it’s been a catalyst for my recovery
Unfortunately it’s all banned in Aus now which makes it abit difficult, which lead me here.

The positive is it’s made me appreciate training and not take it for granted.

I understand gut health, nutrition and supplements so I’ve been able to pass the info on to friends to help

Having to isolate different variables and through trial and error figure out a way reduce symptoms has taught me a lot and helped me troubleshoot problems across all areas of life.


I’m leaving for the Phillipines soon, but I’m going to start now and figure out a way to continue what I’m doing in the Phillipines and get locked in.




CYCLE IM RUNNING


Test & gh - first will get my bloods before I decide on dose but probably start small


15mg test per day + 2iu gh


I was planning to do Retatrutide, but after doing more research the last couple of days, I see people can have bad gi issues which I don’t want to mess with.

So planning to do test and gh at first, just to get a good reading on my estrogen as I convert really bad, just last week after I did my first heavy chest workout, the lump still under my left nipple started to hurt, even after all these years, so moving forward with caution.

Also thinking daily injections will help with estrogen conversion until I drop the excess fat (dr todd YouTube video taught me this and will follow his approach of increasing test and gh to increase igf 1 levels and getting blood tests every month)

Question: has anyone used the injectable bpc for gut health? The oral dose works well but interested to hear if there is other ways

Thanks for reading

(Will be getting bloods done before starting and post here)

My Training over last few weeks - currently taking couple of weeks to deload

Legs unfortunately the leg press is all feeling in the knee not the muscle, and my back low back has been injured a couple times since my comeback so not maxing out of lifts yet.

But still been able to make them great workouts

welcome to the EVO family @Lucid thanks for sharing this!
Good intro and background, you’ve clearly fought your way back from serious health issues and that persistence shows real discipline. The test and GH plan looks smart as a reset cycle, and you’re right to keep doses light while watching e2 since you aromatize easily.

For gut recovery, injectable BPC at 250–500 mcg 2x per day subq around the navel can work well for deeper tissue healing, but if oral still gives results there’s no rush to switch. Though I would consider pinning it.

Before we start your full log and tracking, post updated physique pics with your face blurred asap so we can lock in baseline condition and plan your progression properly.

 

[Lucid]

Lighting not the best but my current stats

6’2
100kg

Goal is to lose the fat so I can handle the estrogen better

Also improve my recovery ability so I can spend more time in the gym training

 

[Lucid]

Welcome to our EVO family @Lucid
You have a deep story, and I respect how you changed your life, even in a tough situation.
It was all gut health in the end.

Please share your pictures face blurred, we need to understand your base.

Thanks for the welcome bro

 

[Lucid]

welcome to the EVO family @Lucid thanks for sharing this!
Good intro and background, you’ve clearly fought your way back from serious health issues and that persistence shows real discipline. The test and GH plan looks smart as a reset cycle, and you’re right to keep doses light while watching e2 since you aromatize easily.

For gut recovery, injectable BPC at 250–500 mcg 2x per day subq around the navel can work well for deeper tissue healing, but if oral still gives results there’s no rush to switch. Though I would consider pinning it.

Before we start your full log and tracking, post updated physique pics with your face blurred asap so we can lock in baseline condition and plan your progression properly.

Thanks bro - will get the bloods done see where my test & est is atm (and other health markers)

I feel a nice bump in test and recovery I should respond well & increase lifts

Back and forth with whether I should take Reta at a small dose to help with fat loss

 

[SPOONMAN366]

My Training over last few weeks - currently taking couple of weeks to deload

Legs unfortunately the leg press is all feeling in the knee not the muscle, and my back low back has been injured a couple times since my comeback so not maxing out of lifts yet.

But still been able to make them great workouts

Like the workouts
Not often you see hip thrust from a bro
Respect that
Keep at it but be careful with the hectic stuff before you have a base set
Definitely work on stretches and warmups prior

 

[Lucid]

Like the workouts
Not often you see hip thrust from a bro
Respect that
Keep at it but be careful with the hectic stuff before you have a base set
Definitely work on stretches and warmups prior

Yeah took me a while to get used to it , but the prostatitis didn’t allow me to do any work that aggravated the prostate so trying to get the glutes back up. Helps with the power for boxing aswel

 

[Lucid]

Like the workouts
Not often you see hip thrust from a bro
Respect that
Keep at it but be careful with the hectic stuff before you have a base set
Definitely work on stretches and warmups prior

Will do bro

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi bros & sisters

I didn’t expect much when I started looking for a bpc 157 supplier but this community is truely something different

Lots of encouragement and great support so it’s motivated me to do a thread and begin journey to get in the best shape of my life

(If you want to skip all the text and see what cycle I’m going to run and blood tests I’ve highlighted CYCLE IM RUNNING below)

I started using ped’s around Covid, I was prescribed test (sus 250) at 125mg a week for low test. My free test was around 320

Within a few weeks I immediately started getting gyno which is still with till today (started taking 250mg after a couple weeks lol)

I played with different compounds over the next year or so and did a small cycle of test + mast for about 4 weeks

And I did one proper cycle with a coach and was taking

500 test 400mast and 200 deca a week + dbol 50mg per day

I went from 93kg - 107kg in 7 weeks, but I was just one big bloated mess, my digestion started to really bother me at this time, when I stopped the bulk I started using DNP to try it, and this didn’t help with the gut issues

But I was new to all this and didn’t think much of it, thinking I was bullet proof

I then got ill and the doctors gave me anti biotics, which only made it worse, and then 7 rounds of anti biots later, I was completely destroyed, and my health just got worse and worse

I diagnosed with prostatitis so I stopped the test injections and haven’t been on anything since.

After seeing different doctors and getting all kinds of tests the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong and my health got worse

I worked with natrupaths and different specialists on a supplement protocol but my health just continuously got worse (even though I was taking 20 different supplements a day)

Until the point where food would just go straight through me, and training only made me feel worse and increased symptoms and gut discomfort.

So I found myself just stuck on the couch for 6 months only leaving to see the doctors.

I remember leaving the doctors and feeling so weak i felt like a 90 year man that couldn’t defend himself even. I was scared and feeble just praying I could make it back to the gym, and my weight dropped all the way back down to 82kg

The doctors couldn’t find what’s wrong with so after years I finally accepted it could be worst case scenario.

Luckily I did manage to find a video from Dana white on his IG and he recommended a cleanse, this was pretty much my last hope after 18months of just getting worse.


The liver cleanse and enzymes were able to allow me to start eating and digesting food again and I slowly started to get better day by day.

I also had a bad case of SIBO (methane) which was struggle to overcome.

Similar to video to the cleanse video from Dana white that changed my digestion, I came across a YouTube video on a new way to treat SIBO after a lot of trial and error, the video recommended ginger, which immediately helped me overcome that issue. (Funny how a 10$ bottle of ginger fixed such a major issue)

I have been on every diet, and the best one that helped me was the carnivore diet, 10 weeks strict carnivore and I saw a massive improvement.

Fast forward a few years, and in the last couple of weeks my strength has started to return to me

After years of low carb and not really eating much and not training hard (consistently without relapse) these last 10 weeks I just ate lots of food anything I wanted and trained hard in the gym. I just ate intuitively and immediately my body responded well.

I went from 92 to 101 kg, and currently taking a couple weeks to deload and lose some fat/ give digestion a break

I’ve had spurts of training and momentum but then my gut will crash again and I have to start from square one, but this is the best I’ve felt

Using oral bpc 157 1000mg a day over the last 10 weeks and it’s been a catalyst for my recovery
Unfortunately it’s all banned in Aus now which makes it abit difficult, which lead me here.

The positive is it’s made me appreciate training and not take it for granted.

I understand gut health, nutrition and supplements so I’ve been able to pass the info on to friends to help

Having to isolate different variables and through trial and error figure out a way reduce symptoms has taught me a lot and helped me troubleshoot problems across all areas of life.


I’m leaving for the Phillipines soon, but I’m going to start now and figure out a way to continue what I’m doing in the Phillipines and get locked in.




CYCLE IM RUNNING


Test & gh - first will get my bloods before I decide on dose but probably start small


15mg test per day + 2iu gh


I was planning to do Retatrutide, but after doing more research the last couple of days, I see people can have bad gi issues which I don’t want to mess with.

So planning to do test and gh at first, just to get a good reading on my estrogen as I convert really bad, just last week after I did my first heavy chest workout, the lump still under my left nipple started to hurt, even after all these years, so moving forward with caution.

Also thinking daily injections will help with estrogen conversion until I drop the excess fat (dr todd YouTube video taught me this and will follow his approach of increasing test and gh to increase igf 1 levels and getting blood tests every month)

Question: has anyone used the injectable bpc for gut health? The oral dose works well but interested to hear if there is other ways

Thanks for reading

(Will be getting bloods done before starting and post here)

My Training over last few weeks - currently taking couple of weeks to deload

Legs unfortunately the leg press is all feeling in the knee not the muscle, and my back low back has been injured a couple times since my comeback so not maxing out of lifts yet.

But still been able to make them great workouts

Lighting not the best but my current stats

6’2
100kg

Goal is to lose the fat so I can handle the estrogen better

Also improve my recovery ability so I can spend more time in the gym training

Thanks bro - will get the bloods done see where my test & est is atm (and other health markers)

I feel a nice bump in test and recovery I should respond well & increase lifts

Back and forth with whether I should take Reta at a small dose to help with fat loss

Now full welcome to the EVO family ! @Lucid thank you for sharing the pics, you have a good base.

You’ve come a long way, that’s a serious rebuild after the gut crash. The 15 mg test daily and 2 iu GH is a perfect low entry point to stabilize hormones and gauge how e2 reacts before adding anything heavier.

Skip retatrutide for now since your digestion is still sensitive, focus on consistency with food and bloods monthly like you said.
Injectable BPC works better for gut lining if pinned subq around the abdomen at 250–500 mcg 2x per day, and you’ll notice faster repair within a week.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

 

[Lucid]

Now full welcome to the EVO family ! @Lucid thank you for sharing the pics, you have a good base.

You’ve come a long way, that’s a serious rebuild after the gut crash. The 15 mg test daily and 2 iu GH is a perfect low entry point to stabilize hormones and gauge how e2 reacts before adding anything heavier.

Skip retatrutide for now since your digestion is still sensitive, focus on consistency with food and bloods monthly like you said.
Injectable BPC works better for gut lining if pinned subq around the abdomen at 250–500 mcg 2x per day, and you’ll notice faster repair within a week.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

Perfect. I have put an order in with zenith health for the peptides and gh

It will be a good experiment to run with injectable sub q for the gut.

I’ll keep the dosage around 500mcg morning + night as this was the previous dose I took in capsules to compare results

I’ve also added tb 500 to order which I will add with the second bottle of bpc to experiment with to see how I feel

Gh I can split dose & add to both injections or just at night?

I did bpc daily for 2 months and it’s been 1 month since I ran out and noticing gut discomfort again/ joint pain again already even on a deload.

Bpc, baking soda, magnesium, creatine, amino acids and salt was all I needed for everything to run perfect and make the gains.

I use Metamucil & salt with my water upon waking for better bowel movements. I experimented without Metamucil and it’s always been much better to keep in for me.

I have used digestive enzymes for a gut protocol previously that I combined with the ginger to overcome the gut issues before.

I tried added bioptimers digestive enzymes but it just blew my belly up, felt like there was a ballon in there. Stopped the enzymes and the side effects subsided, that was the last experiment with digestives I used just prior to the latest bpc protocol.

Baking soda has also been a new addition to my supplements I’ve been experimenting with - baking soda was in the bpc capsules (for extra absorption), and I was looking for a new way I could get more energy in my training, I saw years ago it was a good pre workout, so I tried it, and it was a great pump, but to my surprise it healed up my prostatitis and allowed me to train legs and glutes again

I can sit down on benches, chairs, couch for extended period of time without extrem pain, it’s been a couple months so still trailing it, but I couldn’t believe that it also fixed that issue

 

[Lucid]

Also added TMG - trimethyglicine, I watched a podcast about people with the COMT gene break, and they fit a similar psychological profile (entrepreneur, doesn’t like to be micro managed, can’t work for people and other similarities), and it fixed their sleep, so gave a go why not, and Its transformed my sleep.

Only trialed 1 bottle so still new but all good so far

 

[Allupfromhere]

Welcome to evo brother, you are in the right place for what your after.
Helluva story and comeback mate well done to keep at it even though so many hurdles stood in your way.
My wife had battled extreme gut issues her whole life and always struggled with digestion and the impact it has on her fitness journey. I run the bpc/tb combo for my joints and upon further researching discovered its benifits for gut issues.
I wish i had of known earlier because in the 15 years we have been together it is the only thing that has worked for her. The combo has completely changed her life..

As for my brother @ZenithHealth you are in perfect hands with his peptides and gh. He is an absolute legend to deal with and genuinely goes above and beyond to actually help people not just sell products. I couldnt have anymore respect or praise for him

 

[Lucid]

Thanks for the welcome bro. It’s been a pleasure dealing with zenith health.

Out of all the supps there is only a couple that worked and have used bpc 157 really has been the best. Such a shame Aus banned, they really don’t want people healthy.

Has your girlfriend been using the injectable bpc?

I’ve only used capsules and they work great but going to try injectable sub q around abdomen as recommended from a bro here.

The tb500 I wanted to try aswell as I heard it’s a good combo for the gut, although I didint think it did work in gut.

Glad to hear she has found something that works for her.

 

[LevButlerov]

Perfect. I have put an order in with zenith health for the peptides and gh

It will be a good experiment to run with injectable sub q for the gut.

I’ll keep the dosage around 500mcg morning + night as this was the previous dose I took in capsules to compare results

I’ve also added tb 500 to order which I will add with the second bottle of bpc to experiment with to see how I feel

Gh I can split dose & add to both injections or just at night?

I did bpc daily for 2 months and it’s been 1 month since I ran out and noticing gut discomfort again/ joint pain again already even on a deload.

Bpc, baking soda, magnesium, creatine, amino acids and salt was all I needed for everything to run perfect and make the gains.

I use Metamucil & salt with my water upon waking for better bowel movements. I experimented without Metamucil and it’s always been much better to keep in for me.

I have used digestive enzymes for a gut protocol previously that I combined with the ginger to overcome the gut issues before.

I tried added bioptimers digestive enzymes but it just blew my belly up, felt like there was a ballon in there. Stopped the enzymes and the side effects subsided, that was the last experiment with digestives I used just prior to the latest bpc protocol.

Baking soda has also been a new addition to my supplements I’ve been experimenting with - baking soda was in the bpc capsules (for extra absorption), and I was looking for a new way I could get more energy in my training, I saw years ago it was a good pre workout, so I tried it, and it was a great pump, but to my surprise it healed up my prostatitis and allowed me to train legs and glutes again

I can sit down on benches, chairs, couch for extended period of time without extrem pain, it’s been a couple months so still trailing it, but I couldn’t believe that it also fixed that issue

Also added TMG - trimethyglicine, I watched a podcast about people with the COMT gene break, and they fit a similar psychological profile (entrepreneur, doesn’t like to be micro managed, can’t work for people and other similarities), and it fixed their sleep, so gave a go why not, and Its transformed my sleep.

Only trialed 1 bottle so still new but all good so far

Run GH split at 1.25 IU morning and 1.25 IU at night on training days for better IGF release and sleep, or move the full 2.5 IU to pre-bed if recovery feels off. But are you able to measure 2.5, the .5? not sure.
Add the BPC 157 and TB 500 stack at your planned doses for 4–6 weeks and evaluate joint and gut response, that combo usually resets inflammation well. @Lucid

Keep the baking soda pre training only at 1/2 tsp mixed with water to limit bloat, and avoid stacking it with creatine in the same drink.
Maintain Metamucil daily (but I would go with raw psyllium husk imo) since it’s proven consistent for you, and skip digestive enzymes since you already identified them as a trigger.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Thanks for the welcome bro. It’s been a pleasure dealing with zenith health.

Out of all the supps there is only a couple that worked and have used bpc 157 really has been the best. Such a shame Aus banned, they really don’t want people healthy.

Has your girlfriend been using the injectable bpc?

I’ve only used capsules and they work great but going to try injectable sub q around abdomen as recommended from a bro here.

The tb500 I wanted to try aswell as I heard it’s a good combo for the gut, although I didint think it did work in gut.

Glad to hear she has found something that works for her.

Yeah bro injectable havent tried oral

 

[Lucid]

Run GH split at 1.25 IU morning and 1.25 IU at night on training days for better IGF release and sleep, or move the full 2.5 IU to pre-bed if recovery feels off. But are you able to measure 2.5, the .5? not sure.
Add the BPC 157 and TB 500 stack at your planned doses for 4–6 weeks and evaluate joint and gut response, that combo usually resets inflammation well. @Lucid

Keep the baking soda pre training only at 1/2 tsp mixed with water to limit bloat, and avoid stacking it with creatine in the same drink.
Maintain Metamucil daily (but I would go with raw psyllium husk imo) since it’s proven consistent for you, and skip digestive enzymes since you already identified them as a trigger.

Thanks for the detailed response bro. Had the pleasure of dealing with ugl oz for the test cyp and an extra vial of bpc.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the detailed response bro. Had the pleasure of dealing with ugl oz for the test cyp and an extra vial of bpc.

Good call using UGL OZ they are the GOAT @UGL OZ

 

[UGL OZ]

Thanks for the detailed response bro. Had the pleasure of dealing with ugl oz for the test cyp and an extra vial of bpc.

Glad to hear it brother! Please feel free to DM @UGL OZ Support Rep or shoot us an email at [email protected] if you have anything else we can assist you with

Look forward to your logging journey. Subscribed!

AJ

 

[LevButlerov]

Glad to hear it brother! Please feel free to DM @UGL OZ Support Rep or shoot us an email at [email protected] if you have anything else we can assist you with

Look forward to your logging journey. Subscribed!

AJ

UGL OZ the true brother Family with the EVO family @UGL OZ

 

[Lucid]

Touchdown. Fast delivery from @UGL OZ

 

[LevButlerov]

Touchdown. Fast delivery from @UGL OZ

EVO family love for this amazing ugl oz @UGL OZ touchdown @Lucid

 

[Mobster]

We always love seeing a touchdown

 

[2Thick]

Touchdown. Fast delivery from @UGL OZ

It always feels good to get a nice touchdown, man. Looks like really clean gear. I love the labels. @Lucid

 

[ceo]

Touchdown. Fast delivery from @UGL OZ

bros looks like some bpc and test. you gonna get some tb500 or ghk to pair with? @Lucid would be a good stack

 

[ROIDDERS]

Touchdown. Fast delivery from @UGL OZ

@Lucid that is all you could ask for right there. i'm glad you could get a high quality Oz source. i don't think that was possible years ago

 

[Ulter]

Touchdown. Fast delivery from @UGL OZ

I'm very glad that this gear turned out this way. It looks really good. that is a damn good touchdown! @Lucid

 

[Lucid]

bros looks like some bpc and test. you gonna get some tb500 or ghk to pair with? @Lucid would be a good stack

Yes bro zenithhealth sending the tb500 gh and bpc

 

[Lucid]

Yes bro zenithhealth sending the tb500 gh and bp

Getting bloods done in a couple hours and then will start pinning the test

Plan is to front load 30mg for 8 days then go back to 15mg per day

Keeping it low and will pair with gh to access igf levels and estrogen with blood tests over the next couple months

Will be running bpc & experimenting with tb500 in the stack

 

[Lucid]

Touchdown from @ZenithHealth. Another gentleman who was a pleasure to deal with. Great work on the labelling aswell looks really good

Had my bloods taken today and now did my test inj in delt + 500mcg bpc157 sub q.

Will take start the gh before bed

I ended doing 40mg of test and will continue for 8 days to front load, and will continue with 20mg test per day.

Easier to track in the insulin syringe as its test cyp so .2 mark of the insulin @ 40mg & just .1 each day of 20mg after front load.

The hgh is 24 iu how much bac water would you recommend I put with this?

 

[ZenithHealth]

Touchdown from @ZenithHealth. Another gentleman who was a pleasure to deal with. Great work on the labelling aswell looks really good

Had my bloods taken today and now did my test inj in delt + 500mcg bpc157 sub q.

Will take start the gh before bed

I ended doing 40mg of test and will continue for 8 days to front load, and will continue with 20mg test per day.

Easier to track in the insulin syringe as its test cyp so .2 mark of the insulin @ 40mg & just .1 each day of 20mg after front load.

The hgh is 24 iu how much bac water would you recommend I put with this?

Enjoy brother, keep us posted on how you go , in regards to how much BAC water i just put the full amount in and calculate from there, the liquid on the vial should rise to about 3ml or so

 

[Lucid]

Enjoy brother, keep us posted on how you go , in regards to how much BAC water i just put the full amount in and calculate from there, the liquid on the vial should rise to about 3ml or so

Ok perfect thanks mate

 

[ceo]

Yes bro zenithhealth sending the tb500 gh and bpc

bros that gonna be good!

 

[ballin2504]

Touchdown. Fast delivery from @UGL OZ

Heck yea. Love a good td

 

[LevButlerov]

Touchdown from @ZenithHealth. Another gentleman who was a pleasure to deal with. Great work on the labelling aswell looks really good

Had my bloods taken today and now did my test inj in delt + 500mcg bpc157 sub q.

Will take start the gh before bed

I ended doing 40mg of test and will continue for 8 days to front load, and will continue with 20mg test per day.

Easier to track in the insulin syringe as its test cyp so .2 mark of the insulin @ 40mg & just .1 each day of 20mg after front load.

The hgh is 24 iu how much bac water would you recommend I put with this?

Good TD from @ZenithHealth looking clean.

we have a good thread on mixing peps here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/how-to-mix-peptides.107113/
@Lucid
how big is the vial?

 

[Lucid]

Blood test result before any gear:

(Still waiting on dht and igf)

First time I’ve had my estrogen taken and it’s 161 natural that was pretty shocking. From what I see that’s kinda high with taking gear, so makes sense why I have gyno issues last time on gear.

Interested to hear feedback from more experienced brothers.

I was going to get the estrogen sensitive test next month when I’ve ran gh so will get a better understanding.

If I double my testosterone is it feasible that it will double my estrogen aswell?

That would require an ai or maybe i can run 10mg EQ each day - then check back in month where my estrogen is

 

[Lucid]

Good TD from @ZenithHealth looking clean.

we have a good thread on mixing peps here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/how-to-mix-peptides.107113/
@Lucid
how big is the vial?

Hi bro

The vial is the same size as the 5mg vials and the 2.5ml bac water vial

Powder is a little less than the 5mg so could put the 2.5ml bac water in as zenith mentioned

My calculations would make that around 1iu per .14 ml on the insulin syringe

 

[LevButlerov]

Blood test result before any gear:

(Still waiting on dht and igf)

First time I’ve had my estrogen taken and it’s 161 natural that was pretty shocking. From what I see that’s kinda high with taking gear, so makes sense why I have gyno issues last time on gear.

Interested to hear feedback from more experienced brothers.

I was going to get the estrogen sensitive test next month when I’ve ran gh so will get a better understanding.

If I double my testosterone is it feasible that it will double my estrogen aswell?

That would require an ai or maybe i can run 10mg EQ each day - then check back in month where my estrogen is

Your estrogen is high for being more closer to natural.
I would use an ai on this cycle at least aromasin start light dose and test @Lucid 12.5mgs

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi bro

The vial is the same size as the 5mg vials and the 2.5ml bac water vial

Powder is a little less than the 5mg so could put the 2.5ml bac water in as zenith mentioned

My calculations would make that around 1iu per .14 ml on the insulin syringe

Your math checks out. With 2.5 ml bac water in that vial, each 0.14 ml on the insulin pin gives roughly 1 IU, so you’re set.

Just swirl gently, don’t shake, and store it cold after reconstitution. @Lucid

 

[Lucid]

Your estrogen is high for being more closer to natural.
I would use an ai on this cycle at least aromasin start light dose and test @Lucid 12.5mgs

Would that be weekly?

I found my old insulin syringes and some aromasin + couple bottles of anastrozole from few years back

 

[Lucid]

EOD on the bottle I just saw

 

[Allupfromhere]

Blood test result before any gear:

(Still waiting on dht and igf)

First time I’ve had my estrogen taken and it’s 161 natural that was pretty shocking. From what I see that’s kinda high with taking gear, so makes sense why I have gyno issues last time on gear.

Interested to hear feedback from more experienced brothers.

I was going to get the estrogen sensitive test next month when I’ve ran gh so will get a better understanding.

If I double my testosterone is it feasible that it will double my estrogen aswell?

That would require an ai or maybe i can run 10mg EQ each day - then check back in month where my estrogen is

Interesting to see your estrogen that high without high test levels... def keep ai on hand when you increase test dose brother.

Alt is very high too, might be something worth looking into.

 

[Lucid]

Interesting to see your estrogen that high without high test levels... def keep ai on hand when you increase test dose brother.

Alt is very high too, might be something worth looking into.

Yeah I thought it was strange, might be something stopping my body getting rid of the estrogen

I was going to front load 40mg of test for 8 days and then go back down to a dose of 20mg per day

But now I’m thinking whether I should even keep the test in there until I figure out what’s going on, and just run the peptides.

Gyno has only been back training chest for the last 12 months because how bad it got last time

ALT I’ve been training hard all week , it’s usually abit high when. I’ve been tested before, but interested to hear others experience, and if I should add a supplement maybe to help

 

[LevButlerov]

Would that be weekly?

I found my old insulin syringes and some aromasin + couple bottles of anastrozole from few years back

EOD on the bottle I just saw

Try using aromasin 12.5mgs 1x/week to start, are you using any now?

 

[Lucid]

Try using aromasin 12.5mgs 1x/week to start, are you using any now?

I took half of a 12.5mg tab yesterday

But before no. Bloods were before I started anything

I think I’m gonna drop the test mate and figure out what’s going on with the estrogen, I can already feel the side effects and only day 3 of test

Very strange - but, gives me an opportunity to run peptides and figure out what’s happening why my estrogen is so high naturally

Was looking forward to running an anabolic.

Is there another anabolic I can run without test for now?

I can focus on getting rid of this fat which will bring my estrogen down no doubt. Then bring back the test once it’s under control

 

[Allupfromhere]

I took half of a 12.5mg tab yesterday

But before no. Bloods were before I started anything

I think I’m gonna drop the test mate and figure out what’s going on with the estrogen, I can already feel the side effects and only day 3 of test

Very strange - but, gives me an opportunity to run peptides and figure out what’s happening why my estrogen is so high naturally

Was looking forward to running an anabolic.

Is there another anabolic I can run without test for now?

I can focus on getting rid of this fat which will bring my estrogen down no doubt. Then bring back the test once it’s under control

I hear what your saying brother and good for you not pushing things if you dont need to. Aromasin will definitely help though brother and will help fast too.

 

[toddthelineman]

10 weeks strict carnivore and I saw a massive improvement.

Bro my stomach was wrecked for some 20 years. Was carnivore, almost lion diet for four years. Basically a full recovery.

Using oral bpc 157 1000mg a day over the last 10 weeks and it’s been a catalyst for my recovery

Yes, that helped me too! I used it and eventually injectable as I transitioned to eating plants again.

So planning to do test and gh at first,

This sounds good man. Sounds like you should just run real, replacement dose trt. Don’t tease your prostate, that’s miserable. Gh is great. I’m a big fan of low dose, long term gh.

has anyone used the injectable bpc for gut health?

Yes, it still helps very noticeably for me

 

[HarleyGuy]

@Lucid

I won't repeat much of what the others vets and mods have said except to say this is an excellent log and your knowledge and openness is refreshing! I have some 'outside the box' thoughts about your e2, ALT, and your gut you might wanna look into.

Until the point where food would just go straight through me, and training only made me feel worse and increased symptoms and gut discomfort.

Have you considered you might have a bad gallbladder issue? This would be one of the symptoms.

Back and forth with whether I should take Reta at a small dose to help with fat loss

I wouldn't mess with GLP's with your digestion and stomach issues for now.

I ended doing 40mg of test and will continue for 8 days to front load, and will continue with 20mg test per day

I love this guy @Lucid Keeps upping the dose each page of his log... we're gonna get along just fine bro! LOL

ALT I’ve been training hard all week , it’s usually abit high when. I’ve been tested before, but interested to hear others experience, and if I should add a supplement maybe to help

A bad gallbladder can also cause high ALT. In fact high estrogen (which you seem to naturally have) can negatively affect the gallbladder as well.

Just some food for thought on the issues that weren't already nailed down by our well versed MODS, VIPS's and VET's on here. I think it was @LevButlerov that mentioned aromasin to you, I'd throw that in asap before your front load of test shoots your e2 up even more!

I'm watching this log and looking forward to reading through it as you go. Welcome aboard brother!!

 

[LevButlerov]

I took half of a 12.5mg tab yesterday

But before no. Bloods were before I started anything

I think I’m gonna drop the test mate and figure out what’s going on with the estrogen, I can already feel the side effects and only day 3 of test

Very strange - but, gives me an opportunity to run peptides and figure out what’s happening why my estrogen is so high naturally

Was looking forward to running an anabolic.

Is there another anabolic I can run without test for now?

I can focus on getting rid of this fat which will bring my estrogen down no doubt. Then bring back the test once it’s under control

It's really a BAD idea to drop test, it's not a real issue with having some higher E2 levels. Dropping test now is going to crash your libido and throw you out of whack on all hormones. @Lucid
we should start with getting you to TRT dose first if you want to balance, do you follow me here?
125mgs/week is enough for a week to balance out and we can come back to it.

500 test 400mast and 200 deca a week + dbol 50mg per day

Test & gh - first will get my bloods before I decide on dose but probably start small

what did you pin last time? test wise

 

[Lucid]

I hear what your saying brother and good for you not pushing things if you dont need to. Aromasin will definitely help though brother and will help fast too.

Appreciate that bro

 

[Lucid]

Bro my stomach was wrecked for some 20 years. Was carnivore, almost lion diet for four years. Basically a full recovery.

Yes, that helped me too! I used it and eventually injectable as I transitioned to eating plants again.

This sounds good man. Sounds like you should just run real, replacement dose trt. Don’t tease your prostate, that’s miserable. Gh is great. I’m a big fan of low dose, long term gh.

Yes, it still helps very noticeably for me

Man I was just talking to the Mrs yesterday saying how I should have added bpc157 straight away when it started.

I’ve been on injectable bpc for the last 4 days @ only 500mcg from @UGL OZ in the morning and my digestion issue has subsided and optimal digestion is back.

After one day really I felt it, but wanted to give it a few days. My barbers shoulder is banged up and I’ve referred him to ugl website to pick some up. They

Did you ever check if you had SIBO? Did you ever figure out what started your digestion issues?

I remember feeling like death but slowly on carnivore I started to come back life. I started back on carbs now as I feel I get better bowel movements but it definitely was a turning point for me.

Glad to hear your back feeling better 2 brother

 

[Lucid]

I love this guy @Lucid Keeps upping the dose each page of his log... we're gonna get along just fine bro! LOL

Have you considered you might have a bad gallbladder issue? This would be one of the symptoms.

very interesting I just had a look into this and can see the correlation. It would explain why the liver cleanse I did gave me so much relief

I'm watching this log and looking forward to reading through it as you go. Welcome aboard brother!!

appreciate that brother

 

[toddthelineman]

Did you ever figure out what started your digestion issues?

I was binge drinking pretty bad for a few years, and I had taken summer or string antibiotics more than once, but I’ve had a sensitive stomach my whole life.

the morning and my digestion issue has subsided and optimal digestion is back.

That is awesome! Bpc157 literally regrows your stomach lining. It should be prescribed widely imo. Many people have bad stomachs.

feeling like death but slowly on carnivore I started to come back life

Going carnivore snapped me back so fast I couldn’t believe it was real! I relapsed once at an all day company meeting, and the pain and stomach issues came back with a vengeance. After that I ate nothing but meat, water, and a little bit of kratom for four years!

 

[Lucid]

It's really a BAD idea to drop test, it's not a real issue with having some higher E2 levels. Dropping test now is going to crash your libido and throw you out of whack on all hormones. @Lucid
we should start with getting you to TRT dose first if you want to balance, do you follow me here?
125mgs/week is enough for a week to balance out and we can come back to it.

All good bro, it’s the previous gyno being aggravated just after a few days back on test.

So far pinned 40mg per day for 3 days then nothing day 4

I’m not bothered though, my takeaway is to really lock in on my diet, add 10k steps a day, eliminate all sugar, increase water make sure my nutrition is on point and drop the fat.

I also looked into estrogen in the body and it seems that my body having a hard time detoxing the estrogen is commen with people who have the COMT gene break.

My issue could be my detox pathways are not working optimal and the body keeps recycling the estrogen once is aromatise enzyme is released from the cell (if I’m not mistaken that’s how it works)

So I’ve expedited liposomal glutathione and calcium d glucorate to help with this, and will add 10k steps, 4litres of water a day, eliminate processed sugar and get my diet on point

Then check estrogen again in a month

Or

I could just bring the test down to 15mg per day (just to keep the dose accurate on the insulin pins its test cyp and each mark is 5mg)(and skip the front load) , would love nothing more than to keep the test but just want to stress how much this gyno messes with me

I’m alright with being patient if need be


Just the relief from the bpc on gi stress is massive from my progress. Thanks for helping get the word out of ugloz aswell btw brother

 

[LevButlerov]

All good bro, it’s the previous gyno being aggravated just after a few days back on test.

So far pinned 40mg per day for 3 days then nothing day 4

I’m not bothered though, my takeaway is to really lock in on my diet, add 10k steps a day, eliminate all sugar, increase water make sure my nutrition is on point and drop the fat.

I also looked into estrogen in the body and it seems that my body having a hard time detoxing the estrogen is commen with people who have the COMT gene break.

My issue could be my detox pathways are not working optimal and the body keeps recycling the estrogen once is aromatise enzyme is released from the cell (if I’m not mistaken that’s how it works)

So I’ve expedited liposomal glutathione and calcium d glucorate to help with this, and will add 10k steps, 4litres of water a day, eliminate processed sugar and get my diet on point

Then check estrogen again in a month

Or

I could just bring the test down to 15mg per day (just to keep the dose accurate on the insulin pins its test cyp and each mark is 5mg)(and skip the front load) , would love nothing more than to keep the test but just want to stress how much this gyno messes with me

I’m alright with being patient if need be


Just the relief from the bpc on gi stress is massive from my progress. Thanks for helping get the word out of ugloz aswell btw brother

Stay patient here. I do like the idea of 15mgs ed of test, light dose and can keep you in TRT level without issues. @Lucid

Run the glutathione and calcium dglucarate like you planned, clean the diet, and hit those 10k steps. Recheck bloods in 4 weeks before changing dose again. The gyno flare should calm once hormones stabilize.
You have tamoxifen you're using?

 

[Lucid]

I was binge drinking pretty bad for a few years, and I had taken summer or string antibiotics more than once, but I’ve had a sensitive stomach my whole life.

That is awesome! Bpc157 literally regrows your stomach lining. It should be prescribed widely imo. Many people have bad stomachs.

Going carnivore snapped me back so fast I couldn’t believe it was real! I relapsed once at an all day company meeting, and the pain and stomach issues came back with a vengeance. After that I ate nothing but meat, water, and a little bit of kratom for four years!

I was binge drinking pretty bad for a few years, and I had taken summer or string antibiotics more than once, but I’ve had a sensitive stomach my whole life.

Bro was antibiotics for me aswell. general lifestyle choices led up to it, but same with the antibiotics that took me over the edge.

So crazy how bad they are and had no idea

That is awesome! Bpc157 literally regrows your stomach lining. It should be prescribed widely imo. Many people have bad stomachs

Are you in Australia? They literally just baned it this year here, smh. They really are trying to keep people sick . It’s beyond obvious what they want now because nothing but good stories re bpc

Going carnivore snapped me back so fast I couldn’t believe it was real! I relapsed once at an all day company meeting, and the pain and stomach issues came back with a vengeance. After that I ate nothing but meat, water, and a little bit of kratom for four years!

Yeah it constant up and down for me aswell, each bounce back get better and stronger though, have you paired it with tb 500?

I’ll be trialing this protocol to see if I notice anything different

 

[Lucid]

Stay patient here. I do like the idea of 15mgs ed of test, light dose and can keep you in TRT level without issues. @Lucid

Run the glutathione and calcium dglucarate like you planned, clean the diet, and hit those 10k steps. Recheck bloods in 4 weeks before changing dose again. The gyno flare should calm once hormones stabilize.
You have tamoxifen you're using?

Lev thank you brother for being patient with me and helping me navigate this.

Just pined the 15mg with my gh and just finished backloading 5 other syringes (just test) with the 15mg (I actually reliased their is 5 iu per 0.1ml so I was wrong about the 5mg per tick as it’s its 4mg per tick

I’ve gotta say aswell bro I feel fucking incredible today. Done 5k steps had meal and getting ready to train soon, been listening to music and dancing around the house feeling incredible

I took a 12.5mg or aromasin this morning aswell not sure if that’s helped

 

[Lucid]

You have tamoxifen you're using?

Oh tamoxifen I don’t have will get onto it

 

[LevButlerov]

Lev thank you brother for being patient with me and helping me navigate this.

EVO family support and love your way, no problem @Lucid

Just pined the 15mg with my gh and just finished backloading 5 other syringes (just test) with the 15mg (I actually reliased their is 5 iu per 0.1ml so I was wrong about the 5mg per tick as it’s its 4mg per tick

thats close 4-5mgs is close enough

I’ve gotta say aswell bro I feel fucking incredible today. Done 5k steps had meal and getting ready to train soon, been listening to music and dancing around the house feeling incredible

good day today, positive mood is how we want it, get into the gym and pump hard!

I took a 12.5mg or aromasin this morning aswell not sure if that’s helped

that helped for sure, but dont take too much lets balance it.

 

[toddthelineman]

nothing but good stories re bpc

A friend had almost instant lower back pain from it. Within hours. We stopped it. Tried again, happened again. People with a certain hla b27 gene can’t take it.

There’s some other concerns. Wild angiogenesis in weird places.

paired it with tb 500?

Yes I have, every time

 

[Lucid]

friend had almost instant lower back pain from it. Within hours. We stopped it. Tried again, happened again. People with a certain hla b27 gene can’t take it.

There’s some other concerns. Wild angiogenesis in weird places.

Interesting good to know

Yes I have, every time

 

[LevButlerov]

Interesting good to know

real life anecdotal experience is the best @Lucid

 

[Lucid]

Yes I have, every time

Brother would you mind sharing what dosage you run of bpc and tb 500?

 

[toddthelineman]

Brother would you mind sharing what dosage you run of bpc and tb 500?

I do 250mcg twice a day of each.

 

[LevButlerov]

I do 250mcg twice a day of each.

Good dose

 

[Lucid]

Quick update for my log:

Last week my post after I took the aromasin I felt amazing for the first half of day, second half of day all my issues came back with a vengeance, including the gut issues

I focused on educating myself more, got more tests done, and I have tests that I’m sending to USA in a high tech lab

The issues have subsided now, and the peptides are keeping the edge off so it’s not too bad.

I’ve leaned into the experience and used it to learn more and take more action, which I believe with these new tests I can get more answers

The bump in test has given the extra push to do this I believe,

The gh has kept my muscles full and more vascular, pumps are better in the gym

I am holding more water though noticbly, which isn’t ideal, I’m feeling pretty tired aswell, started napping during the day

Gyno has calmed down, but I also have avoided doing any chest exercises.

I took aromasin 12.5mg on Monday, and have been pinning 15mg test 1.5-2iu of gh daily, (couple days off in between of gh)

Recovery is not the best, without the drugs and just bpc I was able to eat more and train harder and had better quality of life

Even though I have had some side effects, I do think this process has been a positive and will pay dividends in the long run, especially if I’m able to fix any issues.

My assessment of the week:

The test works well, and the gh and peptides work well, although I’m not really feeling the benefits outweigh the sides, I think if I added something like eq as an anabolic this will give me more push and recovery in gym. (The water bloating is happening even though my diet has been cleaner and less calories)

This week will be getting all my tests completed and sent to lab in usa, so I will keep on this regiment for now, maybe add in an anabolic to help with recovery

Hope everyone is doing well and crushing their goals

 

[LevButlerov]

Quick update for my log:

Last week my post after I took the aromasin I felt amazing for the first half of day, second half of day all my issues came back with a vengeance, including the gut issues

I focused on educating myself more, got more tests done, and I have tests that I’m sending to USA in a high tech lab

The issues have subsided now, and the peptides are keeping the edge off so it’s not too bad.

I’ve leaned into the experience and used it to learn more and take more action, which I believe with these new tests I can get more answers

The bump in test has given the extra push to do this I believe,

The gh has kept my muscles full and more vascular, pumps are better in the gym

I am holding more water though noticbly, which isn’t ideal, I’m feeling pretty tired aswell, started napping during the day

Gyno has calmed down, but I also have avoided doing any chest exercises.

I took aromasin 12.5mg on Monday, and have been pinning 15mg test 1.5-2iu of gh daily, (couple days off in between of gh)

Recovery is not the best, without the drugs and just bpc I was able to eat more and train harder and had better quality of life

Even though I have had some side effects, I do think this process has been a positive and will pay dividends in the long run, especially if I’m able to fix any issues.

My assessment of the week:

The test works well, and the gh and peptides work well, although I’m not really feeling the benefits outweigh the sides, I think if I added something like eq as an anabolic this will give me more push and recovery in gym. (The water bloating is happening even though my diet has been cleaner and less calories)

This week will be getting all my tests completed and sent to lab in usa, so I will keep on this regiment for now, maybe add in an anabolic to help with recovery

Hope everyone is doing well and crushing their goals

Good update and you look like you’re handling the ups and downs smart. The GH fullness and vascularity are clear signs it’s active, but the water and fatigue point to e2 and sodium balance so keep aromasin tight and don’t push dose higher yet. @Lucid

EQ could help recovery and appetite like you said, but wait until the lab results come back before adding anything so you’re adjusting off real data not just symptoms.

 

[Lucid]

Good update and you look like you’re handling the ups and downs smart. The GH fullness and vascularity are clear signs it’s active, but the water and fatigue point to e2 and sodium balance so keep aromasin tight and don’t push dose higher yet. @Lucid

EQ could help recovery and appetite like you said, but wait until the lab results come back before adding anything so you’re adjusting off real data not just symptoms.

Yeah bloods for e2 were 160 natural so if I add half the dose of test with eq there has to be plenty room to keep e2 healthy I’m thinking

I just finished gym and joints were sore while training & haven’t had that for a while, not gonna keep the aromasin in just u til I send these samples back to USA

I don’t like it at all

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah bloods for e2 were 160 natural so if I add half the dose of test with eq there has to be plenty room to keep e2 healthy I’m thinking

I just finished gym and joints were sore while training & haven’t had that for a while, not gonna keep the aromasin in just u til I send these samples back to USA

I don’t like it at all

Good call dropping aromasin for now, it’s probably pushing e2 too low and that’s why the joints flared up. @Lucid can you post pics of the aromasin box?

you going to redo labs?

 

[Mobster]

Remind me what you think the gut issue is.

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah bloods for e2 were 160 natural so if I add half the dose of test with eq there has to be plenty room to keep e2 healthy I’m thinking

I just finished gym and joints were sore while training & haven’t had that for a while, not gonna keep the aromasin in just u til I send these samples back to USA

I don’t like it at all

@Lucid Okay. Let us know what you end up doing. Keeping your estrogen balance is very important. It's good that you're being smart about it.

 

[ceo]

Quick update for my log:

Last week my post after I took the aromasin I felt amazing for the first half of day, second half of day all my issues came back with a vengeance, including the gut issues

I focused on educating myself more, got more tests done, and I have tests that I’m sending to USA in a high tech lab

The issues have subsided now, and the peptides are keeping the edge off so it’s not too bad.

I’ve leaned into the experience and used it to learn more and take more action, which I believe with these new tests I can get more answers

The bump in test has given the extra push to do this I believe,

The gh has kept my muscles full and more vascular, pumps are better in the gym

I am holding more water though noticbly, which isn’t ideal, I’m feeling pretty tired aswell, started napping during the day

Gyno has calmed down, but I also have avoided doing any chest exercises.

I took aromasin 12.5mg on Monday, and have been pinning 15mg test 1.5-2iu of gh daily, (couple days off in between of gh)

Recovery is not the best, without the drugs and just bpc I was able to eat more and train harder and had better quality of life

Even though I have had some side effects, I do think this process has been a positive and will pay dividends in the long run, especially if I’m able to fix any issues.

My assessment of the week:

The test works well, and the gh and peptides work well, although I’m not really feeling the benefits outweigh the sides, I think if I added something like eq as an anabolic this will give me more push and recovery in gym. (The water bloating is happening even though my diet has been cleaner and less calories)

This week will be getting all my tests completed and sent to lab in usa, so I will keep on this regiment for now, maybe add in an anabolic to help with recovery

Hope everyone is doing well and crushing their goals

Bros. Hopefully the bloating will go away. Maybe just things need to be balanced out a little bit. Just keep us updated. We'll get you where you need to go. @Lucid

 

[ROIDDERS]

Quick update for my log:

Last week my post after I took the aromasin I felt amazing for the first half of day, second half of day all my issues came back with a vengeance, including the gut issues

I focused on educating myself more, got more tests done, and I have tests that I’m sending to USA in a high tech lab

The issues have subsided now, and the peptides are keeping the edge off so it’s not too bad.

I’ve leaned into the experience and used it to learn more and take more action, which I believe with these new tests I can get more answers

The bump in test has given the extra push to do this I believe,

The gh has kept my muscles full and more vascular, pumps are better in the gym

I am holding more water though noticbly, which isn’t ideal, I’m feeling pretty tired aswell, started napping during the day

Gyno has calmed down, but I also have avoided doing any chest exercises.

I took aromasin 12.5mg on Monday, and have been pinning 15mg test 1.5-2iu of gh daily, (couple days off in between of gh)

Recovery is not the best, without the drugs and just bpc I was able to eat more and train harder and had better quality of life

Even though I have had some side effects, I do think this process has been a positive and will pay dividends in the long run, especially if I’m able to fix any issues.

My assessment of the week:

The test works well, and the gh and peptides work well, although I’m not really feeling the benefits outweigh the sides, I think if I added something like eq as an anabolic this will give me more push and recovery in gym. (The water bloating is happening even though my diet has been cleaner and less calories)

This week will be getting all my tests completed and sent to lab in usa, so I will keep on this regiment for now, maybe add in an anabolic to help with recovery

Hope everyone is doing well and crushing their goals

That's great. You're able to take advantage of the growth hormone. @Lucid A lot of people don't understand what it does. I feel like you have a good sense of the benefits of using it and the improved quality of your training and your sleep has really helped you.

 

[2Thick]

@

Quick update for my log:

Last week my post after I took the aromasin I felt amazing for the first half of day, second half of day all my issues came back with a vengeance, including the gut issues

I focused on educating myself more, got more tests done, and I have tests that I’m sending to USA in a high tech lab

The issues have subsided now, and the peptides are keeping the edge off so it’s not too bad.

I’ve leaned into the experience and used it to learn more and take more action, which I believe with these new tests I can get more answers

The bump in test has given the extra push to do this I believe,

The gh has kept my muscles full and more vascular, pumps are better in the gym

I am holding more water though noticbly, which isn’t ideal, I’m feeling pretty tired aswell, started napping during the day

Gyno has calmed down, but I also have avoided doing any chest exercises.

I took aromasin 12.5mg on Monday, and have been pinning 15mg test 1.5-2iu of gh daily, (couple days off in between of gh)

Recovery is not the best, without the drugs and just bpc I was able to eat more and train harder and had better quality of life

Even though I have had some side effects, I do think this process has been a positive and will pay dividends in the long run, especially if I’m able to fix any issues.

My assessment of the week:

The test works well, and the gh and peptides work well, although I’m not really feeling the benefits outweigh the sides, I think if I added something like eq as an anabolic this will give me more push and recovery in gym. (The water bloating is happening even though my diet has been cleaner and less calories)

This week will be getting all my tests completed and sent to lab in usa, so I will keep on this regiment for now, maybe add in an anabolic to help with recovery

Hope everyone is doing well and crushing their goals

@Lucid this one is looking sweet. the gyno calming down is great news! That gives you greater flexibility.

 

[Ulter]

Quick update for my log:

Last week my post after I took the aromasin I felt amazing for the first half of day, second half of day all my issues came back with a vengeance, including the gut issues

I focused on educating myself more, got more tests done, and I have tests that I’m sending to USA in a high tech lab

The issues have subsided now, and the peptides are keeping the edge off so it’s not too bad.

I’ve leaned into the experience and used it to learn more and take more action, which I believe with these new tests I can get more answers

The bump in test has given the extra push to do this I believe,

The gh has kept my muscles full and more vascular, pumps are better in the gym

I am holding more water though noticbly, which isn’t ideal, I’m feeling pretty tired aswell, started napping during the day

Gyno has calmed down, but I also have avoided doing any chest exercises.

I took aromasin 12.5mg on Monday, and have been pinning 15mg test 1.5-2iu of gh daily, (couple days off in between of gh)

Recovery is not the best, without the drugs and just bpc I was able to eat more and train harder and had better quality of life

Even though I have had some side effects, I do think this process has been a positive and will pay dividends in the long run, especially if I’m able to fix any issues.

My assessment of the week:

The test works well, and the gh and peptides work well, although I’m not really feeling the benefits outweigh the sides, I think if I added something like eq as an anabolic this will give me more push and recovery in gym. (The water bloating is happening even though my diet has been cleaner and less calories)

This week will be getting all my tests completed and sent to lab in usa, so I will keep on this regiment for now, maybe add in an anabolic to help with recovery

Hope everyone is doing well and crushing their goals

Thanks for the well wishes. Yes, I'm definitely crushing my goals. Why not? Nice assessment for the week. I'm glad that you are happy with the testosterone and that's working well for you and glad the growth hormone and your other peptides are kicking in as well. @Lucid

 

[Lucid]

Hi bros

It’s been a quick minute since I updated my log.

Last post I was waiting to send a sample to place in America that hopefully could give me more information on the prostatitis issue

I received results and they found and identified the bacteria that is causing the problem

Issue is they are also resistant to the basic antibiotics so I have to solve this puzzle figure out the best way forward, last time I did antibiotics it destroyed my gut, so have to move forward carefully, so working on this

Last post my test dose was 15mg a day with 2 iu gh

I was having gyno issues when I front loaded 30mg per day, but since I stayed at 15mg gyno went down. Libido increased, muscle mass increase

My recovery at the gym was not the best though, and I felt I would feel better at a higher dose test

So last 4 days I upped the dose to :

20mg per day

I also got a bottle of equipoise from ugloz

Today is day 3 of taking 20mg eq with my 20mg test


steroids:

I upped the test to 20mg a day 4 days ago, I wasn’t recovering from the gym and I felt I could benefit for the overall good affects of test

Noticed some gyno flare again @ 20mg but before was able to hit chest again no issues
(Today it feels fine aswell)

My libido is good (15mg a day it was good)

Water retention has gone down (started to stabilise on 15 mg a day)

I’m having some hair loss, my hair line wasn’t the best already but seems to be getting worse quick lol

Food:

I’ve just started to add shakes to my diet to help combat the lack of appetite , and it has worked like a charm

It’s day 3 of shakes

3 whole eggs + 8 egg whites + banana + peanut butter (tried with oats but doesn’t work wel with gut)

2-3 of these day

Other meals steak, chicken, mince tacos etc good quality food

Learnt the recipe from Rich Piana r.i.p

Can get 4/5 meals in a day with the shakes

Training: I’m training every day at the moment for the mental health benefits, my strength is around my peak strength at end of bulk I did (just before starting the test)

But not trying to break any records, more focused on health and fixing the prostate issues

Plan:
I might drop the test back down with the eq to 15mg each

So my anabolics will be 30mg a day

But wanted to see what you guys think here first

 

[Lucid]

Remind me what you think the gut issue is.

Combination of the prostatitis and the heavy antibiotics that was prescribed at the time for it.

 

[Lucid]

Good call dropping aromasin for now, it’s probably pushing e2 too low and that’s why the joints flared up. @Lucid can you post pics of the aromasin box?

you going to redo labs?

Will do when I get home. I was eager to start the eq so I didn’t get the bloods. Also was only couple weeks in so wanted to do bloods monthly (had to go back in a redo the initial bloods aswell, for dht and couple others which I will post here)

Will post pic of aromasin it was enhanced labs

 

[Lucid]

Ais

 

[Lucid]

Ais

@LevButlerov

Touchdown from @UGL OZ

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov

Touchdown from @UGL OZ

Awesome @UGL OZ Touchdown Team UGL OZ @Lucid

 

[LevButlerov]

Ais

Good pics AIs

 

[Lucid]

Seems like my libido has crashed over night. I had cialis and was taking a small amount but the test definitely helped me get my libido back.

Do you think this could be because of the equipoise?
Only been about 5 days of 20mg test and 20mg eq

Still feel a little gyno since I upped the test to 20mg a day so don’t think my estrogen is too low

 

[LevButlerov]

Seems like my libido has crashed over night. I had cialis and was taking a small amount but the test definitely helped me get my libido back.

Do you think this could be because of the equipoise?
Only been about 5 days of 20mg test and 20mg eq

Still feel a little gyno since I upped the test to 20mg a day so don’t think my estrogen is too low

1:1 ratios with test eq can crash e2 for sure.
drop the eq and get some tamoxifen @Lucid

 

[Lucid]

Damn, that quick?

Alright will keep the test at 20mg A day and pick up some tamoxifen

I have an appointment with trt clinic so I can travel with the test so I can keep it going

 

[LevButlerov]

Damn, that quick?

Alright will keep the test at 20mg A day and pick up some tamoxifen

I have an appointment with trt clinic so I can travel with the test so I can keep it going

if you doing ed pins possible @Lucid
lets get retested

 

[Lucid]

Touchdown from ugloz

last week I realised I was low on syringes for the trt - I was dealing with gyno at the time so I decided to just do the 100mg as previous with daily Inj

My gyno was pretty bad until my syringes arrived even though just 100mg injected for the week

I’ve been doing daily 15mg inj and my gyno is improving daily and can hit chest again, weight is starting to come down aswell so will just stay here

Currently taking 20mg tamoxifen a day, but will start doing 40mg (20mg morning 20mg evening)

Going to run this dose for another week or so before I get bloods

Is it worth taking hgh if I’m on tamoxifen? I know it inhibits your ability to produce igf so not sure if I should - but the plan would be to just keep it before bed if it will help for recovery

 

[Lucid]

Touchdown from zenith health

 

[Lucid]

@LevButlerov hey bro

I’ve been running 40mg tamoxifen a day split between morning and night

I feel the gyno has been getting better

It’s been about a week now - should I cut back to 20mg or keep at 40mg for now?

Getting bloods pulled over the weekend

I’ve been dropping my weight with training and cardio daily, no added sugar keeping a clean diet

Glad I stayed on the test, just the gyno a pain but the extra drive has been keeping me focused.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov hey bro

I’ve been running 40mg tamoxifen a day split between morning and night

I feel the gyno has been getting better

It’s been about a week now - should I cut back to 20mg or keep at 40mg for now?

Getting bloods pulled over the weekend

I’ve been dropping my weight with training and cardio daily, no added sugar keeping a clean diet

Glad I stayed on the test, just the gyno a pain but the extra drive has been keeping me focused.

Sure if the gyno is better lets cut back to 20mgs and see how you feel a week in.
we need bloods please @Lucid

would be nice to see diet training more

 

[LevButlerov]

Touchdown from ugloz

last week I realised I was low on syringes for the trt - I was dealing with gyno at the time so I decided to just do the 100mg as previous with daily Inj

My gyno was pretty bad until my syringes arrived even though just 100mg injected for the week

I’ve been doing daily 15mg inj and my gyno is improving daily and can hit chest again, weight is starting to come down aswell so will just stay here

Currently taking 20mg tamoxifen a day, but will start doing 40mg (20mg morning 20mg evening)

Going to run this dose for another week or so before I get bloods

Is it worth taking hgh if I’m on tamoxifen? I know it inhibits your ability to produce igf so not sure if I should - but the plan would be to just keep it before bed if it will help for recovery

I can't believe I missed this sorry amazing TD for UGL OZ!

tamoxifen answer here

Sure if the gyno is better lets cut back to 20mgs and see how you feel a week in.
we need bloods please @Lucid

would be nice to see diet training more