DBOL or TBOL on a Test/Deca Stack?

[SmallFryDevil]

Been out of the loop lately - been swamped.

Looking to pack on some good quality muscle gains this winter. Going to run 500-600 Test w/ 400 Deca all Pharmaqo from D-S.

Should I go DBOL or TBOL and how much a day? I want to keep as much of my gains as possible.

Thanks,

 

[LevButlerov]

Been out of the loop lately - been swamped.

Looking to pack on some good quality muscle gains this winter. Going to run 500-600 Test w/ 400 Deca all Pharmaqo from D-S.

Should I go DBOL or TBOL and how much a day? I want to keep as much of my gains as possible.

Thanks,

welcome back to the EVO family @SmallFryDevil long time no see!
should you use test deca and dbol? I dont know, since you last log wasn't updated not sure where you are now, can you restart your log first?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...olone-masteron-summer-shred-cycle-log.104992/

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[Dreamer]

Been out of the loop lately - been swamped.

Looking to pack on some good quality muscle gains this winter. Going to run 500-600 Test w/ 400 Deca all Pharmaqo from D-S.

Should I go DBOL or TBOL and how much a day? I want to keep as much of my gains as possible.

Would need more info on you before making any suggestions,.

 

[vialturn]

you want faster results use dbol
Want more steady results tbol

 

[Pigsy]

Get your log going again brother, plenty of advice and guidance here

 

[HarleyGuy]

Been out of the loop lately - been swamped.

Looking to pack on some good quality muscle gains this winter. Going to run 500-600 Test w/ 400 Deca all Pharmaqo from D-S.

Should I go DBOL or TBOL and how much a day? I want to keep as much of my gains as possible.

Thanks,

Welcome back brother!!

The question you posed is more of a question about what Dbol is vs. what Tbol is. Either compound can then be assigned as advice tailored to an individual. There are lots of EVO podcasts devoted entirely to each compound. You likely know what Dbol vs. Tbol is so the answer to your question will be tailored specifically to you and where you're sitting at now with stats, diet, training etc.

I know you know we say this a lot but you'll have to boot up your log with updated pics to let us see if Dbol (the heavier hitter) is appropriate here based on your base and your current diet/training etc. Even when we decide on which compound based on your log then, and again based on your log and details, we can discuss dosing of said compound.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Been out of the loop lately - been swamped.

Looking to pack on some good quality muscle gains this winter. Going to run 500-600 Test w/ 400 Deca all Pharmaqo from D-S.

Should I go DBOL or TBOL and how much a day? I want to keep as much of my gains as possible.

Thanks,

Want to keep as much gains as possible then wouldnt bother with dbol - easy come easy go.

Tbol as mentioned will be slower but much more steady but let the test and deca do their thing. Try and keen the gains as clean as you can so you limit how much fat you need to lose at the end and lower the risk of how much muscle goes with it.

 

[SmallFryDevil]

Want to keep as much gains as possible then wouldnt bother with dbol - easy come easy go.

Tbol as mentioned will be slower but much more steady but let the test and deca do their thing. Try and keen the gains as clean as you can so you limit how much fat you need to lose at the end and lower the risk of how much muscle goes with it.

thanks for answering the question! much appreciated!

 

[SmallFryDevil]

you want faster results use dbol
Want more steady results tbol

Thanks for answering the question! Much appreciated!

 

[LevButlerov]

welcome back to the EVO family @SmallFryDevil long time no see!
should you use test deca and dbol? I dont know, since you last log wasn't updated not sure where you are now, can you restart your log first?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...olone-masteron-summer-shred-cycle-log.104992/

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman

@SmallFryDevil you ignored my post? check please
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dbol-or-tbol-on-a-test-deca-stack.107926/post-1901830

 

[SmallFryDevil]

@SmallFryDevil you ignored my post? check please
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dbol-or-tbol-on-a-test-deca-stack.107926/post-1901830

You didn’t answer my question. It’s okay! Got what I needed.

 

[LevButlerov]

You didn’t answer my question. It’s okay! Got what I needed.

No need to be snappy I told you anyone who answered you without knowing what you're doing now is just guessing @SmallFryDevil
ok yes use 5 grams of deca and 500mgs of dbol is that what you wanted to hear? random info without any backing come on you know me better

you should not be rude in the EVO family, we are trying to help you, the least you could have done is respond to me after all the time I tried to help you

 

[SmallFryDevil]

No need to be snappy I told you anyone who answered you without knowing what you're doing now is just guessing @SmallFryDevil
ok yes use 5 grams of deca and 500mgs of dbol is that what you wanted to hear? random info without any backing come on you know me better

you should not be rude in the EVO family, we are trying to help you, the least you could have done is respond to me after all the time I tried to help you

It was to bulk a little and be safe. Lol. The journal wouldn’t be for two months! I was planning my next cycle. I thought that was clear in my message. Not trying to throw any shade

 

[Allupfromhere]

No need to be snappy I told you anyone who answered you without knowing what you're doing now is just guessing @SmallFryDevil
ok yes use 5 grams of deca and 500mgs of dbol is that what you wanted to hear? random info without any backing come on you know me better

you should not be rude in the EVO family, we are trying to help you, the least you could have done is respond to me after all the time I tried to help you

You didn’t answer my question. It’s okay! Got what I needed.

Bro i was one who gave a quick answer to a question that needed a more in depth response. @LevButlerov would have been the man to give you that in depth response so nit sure why you gave him a stiff answer?

600 test
400 deca
350 oral

This isnt a little safe bulk brother but i feel reading your recent responses that your just looking for a yes or no answer, most likely to correlate to a decision you have already made.

If your looking for reassurance to vague cycle protocols your not gonna get safe advice.

All the best to you bro but you didnt need to smug lev like that when he was just trying to help bro.

 

[LevButlerov]

It was to bulk a little and be safe. Lol. The journal wouldn’t be for two months! I was planning my next cycle. I thought that was clear in my message. Not trying to throw any shade

You can update training diet look and food and overall mental health, you don't need to wait, @SmallFryDevil can even do it in the old log
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...olone-masteron-summer-shred-cycle-log.104992/

 

[HarleyGuy]

It was to bulk a little and be safe. Lol. The journal wouldn’t be for two months! I was planning my next cycle. I thought that was clear in my message. Not trying to throw any shade

In two months it could very well be, and probably would be, an entirely different appropriate response to your question if you're currently training.

Starting your log two months out is actually IDEAL @SmallFryDevil especially as a lead up to running a cycle of that magnitude. Logs on here aren't just for bros on steroids, at all. You know this already as you've been here a while.

Two months is a good baseline for us to see where you're at to then fine tune your cycle and doses including compound choice when we have your structure, diet/training/supps, and pics of your base and progress.

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