1st cycle test prop log

[aquadux]

update:
just finished at the gym officially my second week on cycle. will upload session today

bit lower volume today as i simply didn’t have time. definetly feeling better in the gym and finding it easier to find that spot, getting angry ect. today was all linkin park and Metallica, had some creed too. glute is still a bit tender but other than that feeling great. sleep hasn’t been awesome but got my melatonin yesterday and hopefully that will make a difference. will upload food log and some physique pics when i get home. definetly notice im a lot louder in the gym and those hard sets are becoming more and more of an angry blur.

did a big dropset on my chest presses today @LevButlerov hit my max and then went down in increments of 10 until i couldn’t even move the bar.

ive never taken pre-workout before as i avoid caffeine due to its long half life but im considering starting it up, any thoughts boys?

 

[aquadux]

also, how do i go about getting my log approved??

 

[RedNeck]

Good log so far bro, keen to watch where this one goes! Keep us updated!!

 

[LevButlerov]

update:
just finished at the gym officially my second week on cycle. will upload session today View attachment 192507
bit lower volume today as i simply didn’t have time. definetly feeling better in the gym and finding it easier to find that spot, getting angry ect. today was all linkin park and Metallica, had some creed too. glute is still a bit tender but other than that feeling great. sleep hasn’t been awesome but got my melatonin yesterday and hopefully that will make a difference. will upload food log and some physique pics when i get home. definetly notice im a lot louder in the gym and those hard sets are becoming more and more of an angry blur.

did a big dropset on my chest presses today @LevButlerov hit my max and then went down in increments of 10 until i couldn’t even move the bar.

ive never taken pre-workout before as i avoid caffeine due to its long half life but im considering starting it up, any thoughts boys?

I would like to see you increase volume to 12-15 rep sand cardio

 

[LevButlerov]

how much creatine?

 

[LevButlerov]

also, how do i go about getting my log approved??

update for a week

 

[aquadux]

I would like to see you increase volume to 12-15 rep sand cardio

will drop the weight a bit and try draw my sets out a bit, thank you. any reason why you prefer higher reps over low?

how much creatine?

haven’t been supplementing it on carnivore as im usually eating about a kg of meat a day, but if you would like me to i can get some, im open to building a supplement regimen, is it CS that sells all those nice looking sleep stacks and such?

thanks so much lev will continue updates, couldn’t take any pics tonight but will set up a proper shot and take some tomorrow.

 

[LevButlerov]

very glad to hear that. dont want to end up in a more plates more dates worst cycles of all time review but truthfully its a bit more than that for me, its just nice to have a community of likeminded people especially on such a nuanced and debated topic, nice to fit in somewhere yk?

go slow with it please

 

[aquadux]

go slow with it please

i plan to. no reason to rush as I’ll just be sacrificing health for the sake of slightly better results as im going to be more sensitive to these compounds starting out. only one set of organs and one set of hair.

 

[theJimJim]

Your pre cycle test levels is where the TRT doc wants me to be at while on TRT...

 

[LevButlerov]

i plan to. no reason to rush as I’ll just be sacrificing health for the sake of slightly better results as im going to be more sensitive to these compounds starting out. only one set of organs and one set of hair.

Yes go slow and be careful

 

[Southern Cross Labs]

update:
just finished at the gym officially my second week on cycle. will upload session today View attachment 192507
bit lower volume today as i simply didn’t have time. definetly feeling better in the gym and finding it easier to find that spot, getting angry ect. today was all linkin park and Metallica, had some creed too. glute is still a bit tender but other than that feeling great. sleep hasn’t been awesome but got my melatonin yesterday and hopefully that will make a difference. will upload food log and some physique pics when i get home. definetly notice im a lot louder in the gym and those hard sets are becoming more and more of an angry blur.

did a big dropset on my chest presses today @LevButlerov hit my max and then went down in increments of 10 until i couldn’t even move the bar.

ive never taken pre-workout before as i avoid caffeine due to its long half life but im considering starting it up, any thoughts boys?

Good stuff, I need the music to be on point too.

 

[Southern Cross Labs]

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

I reckon your base is solid as, you are pretty lean good muscle bellies. Likely make alot of progress fast this year.

 

[jenkemj]

update:
just finished at the gym officially my second week on cycle. will upload session today View attachment 192507
bit lower volume today as i simply didn’t have time. definetly feeling better in the gym and finding it easier to find that spot, getting angry ect. today was all linkin park and Metallica, had some creed too. glute is still a bit tender but other than that feeling great. sleep hasn’t been awesome but got my melatonin yesterday and hopefully that will make a difference. will upload food log and some physique pics when i get home. definetly notice im a lot louder in the gym and those hard sets are becoming more and more of an angry blur.

did a big dropset on my chest presses today @LevButlerov hit my max and then went down in increments of 10 until i couldn’t even move the bar.

ive never taken pre-workout before as i avoid caffeine due to its long half life but im considering starting it up, any thoughts boys?

Mate Creed, White Monster = Love!

Here you are blasting chest when Scott stapp ‘shoulda been dead on a Sundeh mornen bangin’ me errdhhdd’

Linkin Park and Metallica are peak gym vibes aswell!

 

[aquadux]

Good stuff, I need the music to be on point too.

Mate Creed, White Monster = Love!

Here you are blasting chest when Scott stapp ‘shoulda been dead on a Sundeh mornen bangin’ me errdhhdd’

Linkin Park and Metallica are peak gym vibes aswell!

Just heard 'Don't Cry' by guns'n'roses for the first time you boys should give that a listen it is amazing. Also the live version of Here Without You, always love listening to that when I train.

 

[aquadux]

Update:
So far about 2 weeks in as of tommorow, so still havent hit saturation. Feeling pretty good though but switching from VG to quad pins as the glute pain is somewhat interfering with my sleep and ive got to ease into the chair every time i sit down Gym has been feeling good, crazy pumps.

Switching my training somewhat, going to alternate some excercises and make sure im doing 8-12 as ive been doing 6-8. Will maintain intensity.

So far ive noticed that im pretty tired and hungry lol. going to add some caffeine pre into my sessions (never had it before hahah). maybe get some dmaa and add if that dosent work well enough. Been supplementing melatonin from my dr, but going to get it next time from @CS Supps , 20mg melatonin sounds like heavenly sleep in a packet, and if i introduce any cortisol inducing compounds its a decent agonist. Lots of libido, paying attention to more girls lately as ive been somewhat timid after my last relationship.

Still trying to find a neutral lighting spot for pics and a tripod so i can take them headshot and maintain consistency, not too bothered about pics rn as the test hasnt really 'kicked' yet and physique isnt changing too much.

Going to start logging cals, I think I want to sit at 4-5k but will adjust according to scale.

Feeling good boys (& girls), excited af.

 

[jenkemj]

Just heard 'Don't Cry' by guns'n'roses for the first time you boys should give that a listen it is amazing. Also the live version of Here Without You, always love listening to that when I train.

I learned the solo to this on guitar man, such a banger! I’m more into listening to the whole of appetite for destruction for a gym session though. When gnr were actually probably more drug fucked lol

Lead singer passed for 3 doors down recently it hits differently for sure. Great band!

 

[jenkemj]

Update:
So far about 2 weeks in as of tommorow, so still havent hit saturation. Feeling pretty good though but switching from VG to quad pins as the glute pain is somewhat interfering with my sleep and ive got to ease into the chair every time i sit down Gym has been feeling good, crazy pumps.

Switching my training somewhat, going to alternate some excercises and make sure im doing 8-12 as ive been doing 6-8. Will maintain intensity.

So far ive noticed that im pretty tired and hungry lol. going to add some caffeine pre into my sessions (never had it before hahah). maybe get some dmaa and add if that dosent work well enough. Been supplementing melatonin from my dr, but going to get it next time from @CS Supps , 20mg melatonin sounds like heavenly sleep in a packet, and if i introduce any cortisol inducing compounds its a decent agonist. Lots of libido, paying attention to more girls lately as ive been somewhat timid after my last relationship.

Still trying to find a neutral lighting spot for pics and a tripod so i can take them headshot and maintain consistency, not too bothered about pics rn as the test hasnt really 'kicked' yet and physique isnt changing too much.

Going to start logging cals, I think I want to sit at 4-5k but will adjust according to scale.

Feeling good boys (& girls), excited af.

With the girls bro, just keep socialising and hanging out. Some girls will fuck you over for sure and know that it happens to just about every guy! And that just about every girl gets fucked over by a guy. Especially when you’re young. It can be easy to dwell over what went wrong in relationships and both parties can take advantage sometimes.

It’s great that it’s getting you back out there though bro! Nothing worse than feeling timid man. Best of luck

 

[aquadux]

I learned the solo to this on guitar man, such a banger! I’m more into listening to the whole of appetite for destruction for a gym session though. When gnr were actually probably more drug fucked lol

Lead singer passed for 3 doors down recently it hits differently for sure. Great band!

Guitar is so awesome. I play classical piano Appetite for Destruction is sick.

I didnt even know he passed, hope hes happy wherever he is man.

 

[aquadux]

With the girls bro, just keep socialising and hanging out. Some girls will fuck you over for sure and know that it happens to just about every guy! And that just about every girl gets fucked over by a guy. Especially when you’re young. It can be easy to dwell over what went wrong in relationships and both parties can take advantage sometimes.

It’s great that it’s getting you back out there though bro! Nothing worse than feeling timid man. Best of luck

Yeah we dated for like 1 year and a half when we were kind of young. It was 100% my fault everything that happened between us, just trying to be better kind of why I embarked upon this whole journey. Kind of keep my distance with girls now, just dont really find anything in common with anyone and it dosent make much sense to me to jump into some small fling as I dont really see what Ill get out of it. We'll see though man. Thank you

 

[jenkemj]

Guitar is so awesome. I play classical piano Appetite for Destruction is sick.

I didnt even know he passed, hope hes happy wherever he is man.

November rain! Sorted

 

[jenkemj]

Yeah we dated for like 1 year and a half when we were kind of young. It was 100% my fault everything that happened between us, just trying to be better kind of why I embarked upon this whole journey. Kind of keep my distance with girls now, just dont really find anything in common with anyone and it dosent make much sense to me to jump into some small fling as I dont really see what Ill get out of it. We'll see though man. Thank you

Introspections important bro, it shows growth. None of us are perfect. You’re only young anyway no need to jump into anything. Time for you is good but you don’t wanna isolate and become more timid.

 

[toddthelineman]

will drop the weight a bit and try draw my sets out a bit, thank you. any reason why you prefer higher reps over low?

haven’t been supplementing it on carnivore as im usually eating about a kg of meat a day, but if you would like me to i can get some, im open to building a supplement regimen, is it CS that sells all those nice looking sleep stacks and such?

thanks so much lev will continue updates, couldn’t take any pics tonight but will set up a proper shot and take some tomorrow.

You’re eating only meat? 1kg seems light to me. I was eating 3-5 pounds daily and was not even using gear. I’m a big eater though, maybe you don’t need that much. But maybe you do…

 

[aquadux]

You’re eating only meat? 1kg seems light to me. I was eating 3-5 pounds daily and was not even using gear. I’m a big eater though, maybe you don’t need that much. But maybe you do…

eating 12 eggs and drinking 2l milk, also all meat i eat is very fatty. open to adding carbs though if the scale/physique dosent respond to low carb/not enough intake on cycle.

 

[toddthelineman]

eating 12 eggs and drinking 2l milk, also all meat i eat is very fatty. open to adding carbs though if the scale/physique dosent respond to low carb/not enough intake on cycle.

Estimate 4500 calories, 340-350 protein, 315 fat, 45 carbs?

That’s probably really good. Very interested to see how this does for you over time.

If you start experimenting with carbs, I would maybe do it intermittently and see what that does. It’s fun to pig out on sushi once in a while and wake up looking huge hahahaha

 

[aquadux]

Estimate 4500 calories, 340-350 protein, 315 fat, 45 carbs?

That’s probably really good. Very interested to see how this does for you over time.

If you start experimenting with carbs, I would maybe do it intermittently and see what that does. It’s fun to pig out on sushi once in a while and wake up looking huge hahahaha

Carbs probably closer to 100g with the milk.

Im interested too, I havent seen any semi carnivore loggers on evo. If I can get good results with this, on top of the cardiovascular benefits of carnivore inherently, it would be nice to introduce a new way of thinking into the community and maybe help some of the boys with a potential new way of thinking regarding diet alternation.

Yes, I agree. First carbs ill implement are probably sweet potato and normal potatoes. After being strict on diet for so long its very much changed my outlook on food. Honestly dont think I could eat some real jacked up sushi if i tried now hahahah. But we'll see I guess.

 

[toddthelineman]

Carbs probably closer to 100g with the milk.

Im interested too, I havent seen any semi carnivore loggers on evo. If I can get good results with this, on top of the cardiovascular benefits of carnivore inherently, it would be nice to introduce a new way of thinking into the community and maybe help some of the boys with a potential new way of thinking regarding diet alternation.

Yes, I agree. First carbs ill implement are probably sweet potato and normal potatoes. After being strict on diet for so long its very much changed my outlook on food. Honestly dont think I could eat some real jacked up sushi if i tried now hahahah. But we'll see I guess.

@HarleyGuy was doing it. And there’s an Australian logger, I can’t quite think of his @, but he was like, meat and energy drinks hahaha. He’s pretty damn ripped too

 

[toddthelineman]

@HarleyGuy was doing it. And there’s an Australian logger, I can’t quite think of his @, but he was like, meat and energy drinks hahaha. He’s pretty damn ripped too

@SPOONMAN366 that’s him. Check out his log. I would call it a very successful carnivore log

 

[aquadux]

@SPOONMAN366 that’s him. Check out his log. I would call it a very successful carnivore log

He looks wicked!

 

[toddthelineman]

Remind me your motivation to eat carnivore again? You have stomach problems or something?

I did it for arthritis. And it worked pretty amazingly, and I had no idea how bad my stomach was and how it was related to my joint issues until I did it. But I’m able to eat plants now without flare ups so I do that.

I absolutely did hit a hard plateau when I was carnivore and natural. Couldn’t get bigger, couldn’t get stronger, started hurting myself under the bar, then lost my appetite to a degree and started getting smaller. That’s when I started working with anabolics and then I was huuuuuungry again and started eating carbs right away.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Just got caught up on your log @aquadux and welcome to EVO!

looking at your tests now I think just taking a fadogia based test booster and zinc can increase your test levels by 30% easy, have you tried this?

At your age you can see we're trying to dissuade you from cycling here

if you're going all the way with this cycle, why not try using hgh first?

Now that you're cycling we will support you and @LevButlerov was right here this would be a good start but now that you're on the train we got your back!

At your age hormone recovery should be your main concern truthfully with how young you are

Big time insightful point here @aquadux I hope your claims about being up on PCT are true, if you ever want to have kids we'll need to have this dialed in for you when you go off. We have a PCT megathread here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/the-perfect-pct-simplified.49252/

We also have fertility logs as well and @CypherOCE has one of the best here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tle-operation-baby-cypher-baby-bottle.105563/

if you really are cycling you should be doing training diet updates EOD to show us you're into it

@LevButlerov is bang on here. At your age if you're going to cycle you have to take this seriously (as you seem to be, good for you!) and if you want the most help we need your diet, in detail with macros as well as training dailly.

Food today:

Eventually we'll need not just a list but a calorie and macro count. Once you get the hang of it it's easy takes 5 mins to throw it up

dont use accutane it will kill your liver!

This! Acne is rarely that bad that accutane intervention is the answer

also, how do i go about getting my log approved??

Start posting detailed daily log updates with food and macros, training (like you've done a couple times), supplements, and create a template for log updates that you fill in with all this info including your cycle and dates that you pin. Also, quads are a risky spot if VG and Glutes are giving you issues. You should rotate sites as often as possible and lats and delts are both great spots.

You can check all sorts of injection sites to use here: https://trtinjections.com/

Just heard 'Don't Cry' by guns'n'roses for the first time you boys should give that a listen it is amazing.

Bro I grew up on this shit, I love it!

@toddthelineman has really stepped up for you in this log along with @LevButlerov I'd heed their advice along the way so we keep you safe and get you the best results as possible.

For now I'd focus on getting bloodwork again mid cycle with a focus on e2 and prolactin at your age.

You can also consider N2Guard and HCGenerate which are two of the best all-in-one supplements for on cycle organ support and testicular HTPA support. You can them here: HCGenerate and N2Guard

You have a great base physique and I'm glad to see you're open to our guidance. EVO will never steer you the wrong way like Reddit and other forums will. I'll be following along!

 

[LevButlerov]

eating 12 eggs and drinking 2l milk, also all meat i eat is very fatty. open to adding carbs though if the scale/physique dosent respond to low carb/not enough intake on cycle.

I still haven't seen clear macros food updates and training updates from you @aquadux thats the issue, I thought you're not ready for cycle and this is a dead giveaway, you haven't updated food training or supplements regular.

 

[aquadux]

I still haven't seen clear macros food updates and training updates from you @aquadux thats the issue, I thought you're not ready for cycle and this is a dead giveaway, you haven't updated food training or supplements regular.

will do so asap.

 

[LevButlerov]

will do so asap.

awesome

 

[HarleyGuy]

will do so asap.

Please do... waiting....

 

[aquadux]

Update for today:
A bit sick, I think the hormonal imbalances have inflamed my bronchioles and given me a subsidiary of the t cough but with test instead of tren. Wasnt able to train today so will log that tomorrow.

Food:
Had like 700g of loin lamb chops, 2l of milk and 12 eggs.
~3800 cals (maybe closer to 4k as chops were very fatty).
100carb
250fat
~290protein

Pretty uneventful day as im not feeling great, just chesty cough and runny nose.

Listened to 'is this love' by whitesnake and 'yesterday when I was young' by glenn campbell. Two of my favourite songs already.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy will format and input training log when I train tomorrow.

 

[LevButlerov]

Update for today:
A bit sick, I think the hormonal imbalances have inflamed my bronchioles and given me a subsidiary of the t cough but with test instead of tren. Wasnt able to train today so will log that tomorrow.

Food:
Had like 700g of loin lamb chops, 2l of milk and 12 eggs.
~3800 cals (maybe closer to 4k as chops were very fatty).
100carb
250fat
~290protein

Pretty uneventful day as im not feeling great, just chesty cough and runny nose.

Listened to 'is this love' by whitesnake and 'yesterday when I was young' by glenn campbell. Two of my favourite songs already.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy will format and input training log when I train tomorrow.

The foods where is this from? because you said "like 700 grams" lamp comps thats a lot of lamp, 250 grams of fat is way too much! @aquadux
fats need to be under 70-90 fo ryou

on the sickness, you taking multis vitamin C D zinc elderberry? what dose?

 

[HarleyGuy]

Update for today:
A bit sick, I think the hormonal imbalances have inflamed my bronchioles and given me a subsidiary of the t cough but with test instead of tren. Wasnt able to train today so will log that tomorrow.

Food:
Had like 700g of loin lamb chops, 2l of milk and 12 eggs.
~3800 cals (maybe closer to 4k as chops were very fatty).
100carb
250fat
~290protein

Pretty uneventful day as im not feeling great, just chesty cough and runny nose.

Listened to 'is this love' by whitesnake and 'yesterday when I was young' by glenn campbell. Two of my favourite songs already.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy will format and input training log when I train tomorrow.

If it's bronchial it could be anything (virus or bacterial).

Load up like @LevButlerov indicated:

Vitamin C
Vitmain D
Multi Vit
Elderberry
Bee Propolis for throat
Royal Jelly
Zinc

 

[hypertrophydoug]

How's it brother @aquadux

 

[aquadux]

The foods where is this from? because you said "like 700 grams" lamp comps thats a lot of lamp, 250 grams of fat is way too much! @aquadux
fats need to be under 70-90 fo ryou

on the sickness, you taking multis vitamin C D zinc elderberry? what dose?

If it's bronchial it could be anything (virus or bacterial).

Load up like @LevButlerov indicated:

Vitamin C
Vitmain D
Multi Vit
Elderberry
Bee Propolis for throat
Royal Jelly
Zinc

How's it brother @aquadux

Sorry boys. pretty sure I may have had a case of the test flu after conversation with my kind dr (@RedNeck) hahha. then got hit with gastro the next day, been a bit of a rough start so havent had much to update as eating and training has been quite difficult. feeling much better today I think im past it so thank God.

Food intake has been rough past few days as eating just comes out and makes me feel awful, but cals are going to be sitting around 4500-5k and going to introduce some potatoes and fruit in a couple weeks if i cant hit cals.

got in gym today. Session looked like this: (forgive the short workout just been so unwell trying to not kill myself)

Incline smith press
60kg 7x2

Smith shoulder press
40kg 10x2

Machine preacher curl
25kg 12x2

Machine lat raise
60lb 10(+partials)x2

Back support (rope) tricep pushdown
20kg 10x2

Food intake for today:

2l milk
10 boiled eggs
1kg mince

been eating heaps of salt past couple days after not having it for a few months, just lost my taste for it. Loving it now though.

Need to get some sleep support 100%, either going to do hgh (ideally) or ghrp or DSIP + buying CS sleep stack with the 20mg melatonin.

Thanks boys! Hopefully the cycle will look up and I will escape the hands of illness

 

[hypertrophydoug]

Sorry boys. pretty sure I may have had a case of the test flu after conversation with my kind dr (@RedNeck) hahha. then got hit with gastro the next day, been a bit of a rough start so havent had much to update as eating and training has been quite difficult. feeling much better today I think im past it so thank God.

Food intake has been rough past few days as eating just comes out and makes me feel awful, but cals are going to be sitting around 4500-5k and going to introduce some potatoes and fruit in a couple weeks if i cant hit cals.

got in gym today. Session looked like this: (forgive the short workout just been so unwell trying to not kill myself)

Incline smith press
60kg 7x2

Smith shoulder press
40kg 10x2

Machine preacher curl
25kg 12x2

Machine lat raise
60lb 10(+partials)x2

Back support (rope) tricep pushdown
20kg 10x2

Food intake for today:

2l milk
10 boiled eggs
1kg mince

been eating heaps of salt past couple days after not having it for a few months, just lost my taste for it. Loving it now though.

Need to get some sleep support 100%, either going to do hgh (ideally) or ghrp or DSIP + buying CS sleep stack with the 20mg melatonin.

Thanks boys! Hopefully the cycle will look up and I will escape the hands of illness

Better than no workout brother, props for getting back into it even if you felt a bit off after that week. A short workout is still a workout. Further props for getting in so many calories. I'm at 3500-3700 a day currently and have trouble finding the time and stomach space for it. Good work.

I imagine you lost a bit of weight during the gastro bout? I lost almost 3kg the last time I had a week from hell like that.

Glad you are feeling better brother. Since CS Supps is now suspended I recommend you have a gander at @RGSX sleep supplement 'ELITE SLEEP'. Much easier on the wallet than HGH and it's specifically tailored for your needs. I've not tried it myself as a simple 2mg Melatonin script from the doc has actually sorted my sleep out, but I've heard nothing but great things about it so far.

Keep it up brother, big things on the horizon.

 

[BritishCanadian]

If I may offer some advice...keep things simple, find the lowest effective dose, and adjust accordingly.

Its certainly not an easy world to be a young man in, society has changed and you are correct that environmental changes are affecting our health in negative ways.

Unfortunately, what you seek (confidence, manliness, a calm mind) is not found in external medications, all that comes with experience and accomplishment.

You have made a decision that will have impacts on your future, you have the option to pct and save this journey for later in life once you've had children etc...keep that in mind.

That being said, there's plenty worse things you could be doing at your age, and getting strong and jacked is not a bad goal in itself.

The guys here have lots of experience, listen to them.

And my two cents, now that you've front loaded, drop down to 150 per week, that will more than likely give you double the testosterone levels of what you had, which should be more than enough to see great results in the gym. Use this time to Really nail down your diet and training, and then, once you hit a plateau, slowly increase your dose to the next level (let's say 175) and stay there until you stop making progress (could be months, could be years)

If youre in this for the long haul, treat it like a marathon and not a sprint.

Good luck!

 

[LevButlerov]

Sorry boys. pretty sure I may have had a case of the test flu after conversation with my kind dr (@RedNeck) hahha. then got hit with gastro the next day, been a bit of a rough start so havent had much to update as eating and training has been quite difficult. feeling much better today I think im past it so thank God.

Food intake has been rough past few days as eating just comes out and makes me feel awful, but cals are going to be sitting around 4500-5k and going to introduce some potatoes and fruit in a couple weeks if i cant hit cals.

got in gym today. Session looked like this: (forgive the short workout just been so unwell trying to not kill myself)

Incline smith press
60kg 7x2

Smith shoulder press
40kg 10x2

Machine preacher curl
25kg 12x2

Machine lat raise
60lb 10(+partials)x2

Back support (rope) tricep pushdown
20kg 10x2

Food intake for today:

2l milk
10 boiled eggs
1kg mince

been eating heaps of salt past couple days after not having it for a few months, just lost my taste for it. Loving it now though.

Need to get some sleep support 100%, either going to do hgh (ideally) or ghrp or DSIP + buying CS sleep stack with the 20mg melatonin.

Thanks boys! Hopefully the cycle will look up and I will escape the hands of illness

this is likely because your body didnt need the testosterone, you got the test flue @aquadux
either way good you're back and training but your volume should go up

 

[aquadux]

this is likely because your body didnt need the testosterone, you got the test flue @aquadux
either way good you're back and training but your volume should go up

yes volume will be going way up - just trying to get back in. going to start incorporating some sweet potatoes/potatoes and fruit for some carbs.

 

[toddthelineman]

Sorry boys. pretty sure I may have had a case of the test flu after conversation with my kind dr (@RedNeck) hahha. then got hit with gastro the next day, been a bit of a rough start so havent had much to update as eating and training has been quite difficult. feeling much better today I think im past it so thank God.

Food intake has been rough past few days as eating just comes out and makes me feel awful, but cals are going to be sitting around 4500-5k and going to introduce some potatoes and fruit in a couple weeks if i cant hit cals.

got in gym today. Session looked like this: (forgive the short workout just been so unwell trying to not kill myself)

Incline smith press
60kg 7x2

Smith shoulder press
40kg 10x2

Machine preacher curl
25kg 12x2

Machine lat raise
60lb 10(+partials)x2

Back support (rope) tricep pushdown
20kg 10x2

Food intake for today:

2l milk
10 boiled eggs
1kg mince

been eating heaps of salt past couple days after not having it for a few months, just lost my taste for it. Loving it now though.

Need to get some sleep support 100%, either going to do hgh (ideally) or ghrp or DSIP + buying CS sleep stack with the 20mg melatonin.

Thanks boys! Hopefully the cycle will look up and I will escape the hands of illness

I never used ghrp, but as a solidly middle aged man hgh is great. I have sampled DSIP, but as many others have said I didn’t notice much from it. I think a young buck like you might need a prohibitively expensive amount of gh to reap noticeable rewards from it, but I’m not qualified to state that as a fact. Now, if you want to sleep like a log, get most if not all of the short term benefits of gh, aaaaand wake up looking full as a house… that’s mk677 all day. Take it at night or you’ll be doing things you’re ashamed of for food hahaha. And don’t take it for too long continuously. Maaaaybe you can get away with it longer because of your very low carb diet, but after a couple months I was noticeably less insulin sensitive. I will say that at least in the short term I liked it BETTER that gh, and I preach gh to everyone. At least everyone old enough to need it.

 

[aquadux]

I never used ghrp, but as a solidly middle aged man hgh is great. I have sampled DSIP, but as many others have said I didn’t notice much from it. I think a young buck like you might need a prohibitively expensive amount of gh to reap noticeable rewards from it, but I’m not qualified to state that as a fact. Now, if you want to sleep like a log, get most if not all of the short term benefits of gh, aaaaand wake up looking full as a house… that’s mk677 all day. Take it at night or you’ll be doing things you’re ashamed of for food hahaha. And don’t take it for too long continuously. Maaaaybe you can get away with it longer because of your very low carb diet, but after a couple months I was noticeably less insulin sensitive. I will say that at least in the short term I liked it BETTER that gh, and I preach gh to everyone. At least everyone old enough to need it.

yeah, I think mk-677 would be good I just dont like the fluid fluctuating effects on tissue it can have, Id probably take it simultaneously with exogenous gh as you lose 2 'types' or fragments or whatever from exogenous because theres growth factors exclusive to endogenous production. Id probably run 8-10iu a day, just see how I go with my income. If ive got the money ill 100% do it.

 

[LevButlerov]

yes volume will be going way up - just trying to get back in. going to start incorporating some sweet potatoes/potatoes and fruit for some carbs.

you need rice and sweet potatoes and more protein

 

[aquadux]

you need rice and sweet potatoes and more protein

Excited for more food and some variety tbh, will be having avos sweet potato and seeing how i tolerate. Feeling soo much better thank god

 

[Noah Wixx]

Update for today:
A bit sick, I think the hormonal imbalances have inflamed my bronchioles and given me a subsidiary of the t cough but with test instead of tren. Wasnt able to train today so will log that tomorrow.

Food:
Had like 700g of loin lamb chops, 2l of milk and 12 eggs.
~3800 cals (maybe closer to 4k as chops were very fatty).
100carb
250fat
~290protein

Pretty uneventful day as im not feeling great, just chesty cough and runny nose.

Listened to 'is this love' by whitesnake and 'yesterday when I was young' by glenn campbell. Two of my favourite songs already.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy will format and input training log when I train tomorrow.

Dude this is a terrible diet im not trying to be rude here, you need to study up on proper structure for a diet and how to structure macros better because this is a mess, how you do one thing is how you do everything and if this is how u eat day in and day out consistently you will end looking terrible.

 

[aquadux]

Dude this is a terrible diet im not trying to be rude here, you need to study up on proper structure for a diet and how to structure macros better because this is a mess, how you do one thing is how you do everything and if this is how u eat day in and day out consistently you will end looking terrible.

theres been plenty of carnivore bodybuilders bro.. ive read a lot into nutrition. im not very good at logging cals its quite difficult with meat with fat differentiation and im not used to doing it, but trying to get better.

thanks bro

 

[Noah Wixx]

theres been plenty of carnivore bodybuilders bro.. ive read a lot into nutrition. im not very good at logging cals its quite difficult with meat with fat differentiation and im not used to doing it, but trying to get better.

thanks bro

Thats laziness saying its to difficult i dont accept answers like that man, i have an injury and cant work my upper body at all, should i just quit because im going to be behind in my physique because i cant do it right now ? You can literally Google what your eating and the portions and someone somewhere will have it logged and you can use that as a template dont be lazy about it, come on dude you want average results or great ones ?

 

[aquadux]

Thats laziness saying its to difficult i dont accept answers like that man, i have an injury and cant work my upper body at all, should i just quit because im going to be behind in my physique because i cant do it right now ? You can literally Google what your eating and the portions and someone somewhere will have it logged and you can use that as a template dont be lazy about it, come on dude you want average results or great ones ?

ive been sick for past week and a half with gastro and flu, just didnt think it would make much sense to log cals considering im not eating normal portions and am changing my diet around considerably. everything will be logged in a couple days, im adding some carbs. even on the days i dont log i still eat strict though man, ive been eating like this for over a year with no cheats

 

[Noah Wixx]

ive been sick for past week and a half with gastro and flu, just didnt think it would make much sense to log cals considering im not eating normal portions and am changing my diet around considerably. everything will be logged in a couple days, im adding some carbs

It makes sense from a pushing through a difficult time period and makes sense from a routine standpoint and sticking on your game to the best of your ability you just go to look at it from a different approach, the doing and the repetition builds you up mentally forcing yourself to do the things u dont want to do even when your in a rough spot.

 

[aquadux]

It makes sense from a pushing through a difficult time period and makes sense from a routine standpoint and sticking on your game to the best of your ability you just go to look at it from a different approach, the doing and the repetition builds you up mentally forcing yourself to do the things u dont want to do even when your in a rough spot.

yeah i get that, thats why i want to get super consistent with my log, kind of like a journal i suppose. Monotonous stuff and routine is paramount in bodybuilding because you do the same shit day in day out hahaha. But yeah if you follow along Ill be making efforts to log everything better. Thanks for the feedback bro, doing my best to get better

 

[Noah Wixx]

yeah i get that, thats why i want to get super consistent with my log, kind of like a journal i suppose. Monotonous stuff and routine is paramount in bodybuilding because you do the same shit day in day out hahaha. But yeah if you follow along Ill be making efforts to log everything better. Thanks for the feedback bro, doing my best to get better

I know its fucked up because its words reading vs able to hear my words, i promise you im not coming from a place of hate or trying to an ass hole. I know you are young and i know your still learning, with me being closer to 40 lol, im speaking from personal experience i was once like you at that age. I am just trying to help install the right building materials for you to lay a solid foundation in your jounery. I want you to have the tools and knowledge for the kind of mindset you need to slowly develop over time

 

[aquadux]

I know its fucked up because its words reading vs able to hear my words, i promise you im not coming from a place of hate or trying to an ass hole. I know you are young and i know your still learning, with me being closer to 40 lol, im speaking from personal experience i was once like you at that age. I am just trying to help install the right building materials for you to lay a solid foundation in your jounery. I want you to have the tools and knowledge for the kind of mindset you need to slowly develop over time

Thanks bro, dont worry ahahah its a huge problem with lack of visual cues and stuff when talking online. Any feedback is good feedback from the more educated guys on here. I promise I will make the effort man, thank you i really appreciate it.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Thanks bro, dont worry ahahah its a huge problem with lack of visual cues and stuff when talking online. Any feedback is good feedback from the more educated guys on here. I promise I will make the effort man, thank you i really appreciate it.

I know you will man its why i am trying to lend a hand when im on an able. Yeah i know people always take things wrong it seems vs having a verbal conversation lol.

 

[tmprren]

Thats laziness saying its to difficult i dont accept answers like that man, i have an injury and cant work my upper body at all, should i just quit because im going to be behind in my physique because i cant do it right now ? You can literally Google what your eating and the portions and someone somewhere will have it logged and you can use that as a template dont be lazy about it, come on dude you want average results or great ones ?

You seem like you just like to talk shit haha. Your physique isn’t any better then his lol.

 

[HarleyGuy]

You seem like you just like to talk shit haha. Your physique isn’t any better then his lol.

We don't talk negatively about a persons physique on EVO. TOS violation, you are warned.

 

[Noah Wixx]

We don't talk negatively about a persons physique on EVO. TOS violation, you are warned.

Its pretty amazing how some people truly haven't the slightest clue try and white knight for someone who clearly doesnt care for or need it.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Come on bro I dont need people being dickheads in my log.

If you dont like his posts or want his stupidity i can always remove his posts from the log, clearly he cant understand whats going on here, his two braincells are fighting one another its why his logic is backwards with his thought process, pay him no attention.

 

[aquadux]

If you dont like his posts or want his stupidity i can always remove his posts from the log, clearly he cant understand whats going on here, his two braincells are fighting one another its why his logic is backwards with his thought process, pay him no attention.

Yeah if you can, I dont really want people to have to sift through his bs when reading my log hahaha. Thanks bro

 

[Noah Wixx]

Yeah if you can, I dont really want people to have to sift through his bs when reading my log hahaha. Thanks bro

Of course man no problem at all.

 

[LevButlerov]

No one’s taking anything wrong your a fucking dweeb buddy. You’d never talk to any1 like that to straight to their face so have some respect on here.

suspended member now @tmprren

 

[aquadux]

just writing up some diet planning now, as im going to ditch 'full' carnivore and adapt my food around. any thoughts on this for a proposed daily?@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy @RedNeck

can up carbs if needed, will be getting some from honey, can add rice if needed.

thanks boys. lost my carnivore purist status but its in the interest of something greater!!

also wondering if one of the mods could change my thread name to Test Log and Beyond. Thanks

 

[toddthelineman]

yeah, I think mk-677 would be good I just dont like the fluid fluctuating effects on tissue it can have, Id probably take it simultaneously with exogenous gh as you lose 2 'types' or fragments or whatever from exogenous because theres growth factors exclusive to endogenous production. Id probably run 8-10iu a day, just see how I go with my income. If ive got the money ill 100% do it.

Well, the only fluid fluctuation I got from it was straight into my muscles. Never got edema or anything like that. But I did get it from generic gh when I dosed too high. And 8-10 iu of gh would turn my hands into extremely painful useless things. I literally wouldn’t be able to beat off.

As for losing fragments, I don’t see how it matters. Get some good gh, dose it at a level you can afford and tolerate for a good long while, and reap the benefits. It will do what you are paying for.

I originally started mk677 while I was using serostim. For increased appetite. It worked! I was hungry beyond reason. This is a very strong combination that I wouldn’t take lightly. It’s said to have very detrimental effects on your insulin sensitivity and as a carnivore Be careful you don’t feel hypoglycemic. Maybe you won’t, but I had to stop in like two days. It was 3.6 iu of gh and iirc 10mg of mk677. I stopped the gh and switched to 10mg mk677 at night and I really liked it. For a while.

It’s logical to me to try each thoroughly on their own before diving into high doses of either or both. Many guys run high gh. And many cannot and don’t need to.

 

[RedNeck]

What Macros are you aiming for bud?

Also, what sups are you using during this cycle?
(Hard-core gear is hard-core in your insides)

Daily water intake?

How long is your planned cycle?

Where the progress photos is?

 

[LevButlerov]

just writing up some diet planning now, as im going to ditch 'full' carnivore and adapt my food around. any thoughts on this for a proposed daily?@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy @RedNeck
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can up carbs if needed, will be getting some from honey, can add rice if needed.

thanks boys. lost my carnivore purist status but its in the interest of something greater!!

also wondering if one of the mods could change my thread name to Test Log and Beyond. Thanks

This is much better @aquadux you need way more carbs to grow and this will work
and your log title will change as we see more training updates

 

[aquadux]

This is much better @aquadux you need way more carbs to grow and this will work
and your log title will change as we see more training updates

Okay will def add rice then. What carb p/d should I be shooting for?

 

[LevButlerov]

Okay will def add rice then. What carb p/d should I be shooting for?

I can tell you what to shoot for but hard because you're doing home eating, try to hit 600+ carbs and how much creatine do you use? @aquadux

 

[aquadux]

What Macros are you aiming for bud?

Also, what sups are you using during this cycle?
(Hard-core gear is hard-core in your insides)

Daily water intake?

How long is your planned cycle?

Where the progress photos is?

High carb high protein moderate fat I suppose.

Melatonin, dont use a multi or anything I just eat organ meats and creatine. Will be adding an AI but I dont really need any ancillaries on this dose of test.

Water around 3l plus milk.

Cycle is planned for 30 weeks.

Progress pics this weekend.

 

[aquadux]

I can tell you what to shoot for but hard because you're doing home eating, try to hit 600+ carbs and how much creatine do you use? @aquadux

8g creatine. Ill shoot for 600, I might drop the fat from mince to 95/5 and add rice in with all meals. Will try that tomorrow.

 

[LevButlerov]

8g creatine. Ill shoot for 600, I might drop the fat from mince to 95/5 and add rice in with all meals. Will try that tomorrow.

get creatine slowly up to 20

 

[RedNeck]

Your diet and macros will be the bulk of this transformation bro.

Thus i stress on importance of macros.

Exactly like I told you before bro, diet and training, then supplements.

The best investment you can make is in a good coach. They do the majority for you. They plan the work, you work the plan.

Being your age, why are you aiming for 5k calories?
Why is your cycle 30 weeks?


Im not trying to seem like a cock here i'm trying to make you think about this plan.

Balance the diet macros on the results you want to achieve, train in a rep range of 12-15. Don't stress about the weight being moved, keep good form and establish mind muscle connection.

The up the weight as needed.
You commented before on me doing 15 pull ups, that didnt just happen. I started at 1.

As cleche as it seems our body is an ecosystem. If one thing is out it throws something else out.

Playing with hormones at a young age can be dang, well not can be it is dangerous.

You mess up a pct and you might be infertile later on bro.

Start everything slow and controlled brother

 

[aquadux]

Your diet and macros will be the bulk of this transformation bro.

Thus i stress on importance of macros.

Exactly like I told you before bro, diet and training, then supplements.

The best investment you can make is in a good coach. They do the majority for you. They plan the work, you work the plan.

Being your age, why are you aiming for 5k calories?
Why is your cycle 30 weeks?


Im not trying to seem like a cock here i'm trying to make you think about this plan.

Balance the diet macros on the results you want to achieve, train in a rep range of 12-15. Don't stress about the weight being moved, keep good form and establish mind muscle connection.

The up the weight as needed.
You commented before on me doing 15 pull ups, that didnt just happen. I started at 1.

As cleche as it seems our body is an ecosystem. If one thing is out it throws something else out.

Playing with hormones at a young age can be dang, well not can be it is dangerous.

You mess up a pct and you might be infertile later on bro.

Start everything slow and controlled brother

With the amount of protein im eating and carbs it seems tricky to not hit high cals, I dont mind with the increased nutrient partitioning to have excess cals, and im 6'2. Cycle is 30 weeks just as its a low dose and I want to run it for as long as I can to test response and have a REALLY clear baseline for how I respond to gear to structure my future cycles, I also think its good to have to maintain a lifestyle with monitoring health/injections/gym/diet before i cycle in future. Good practise in my opinion. Programming im pretty happy with at the moment, I think the biggest change as lev said will be upping the carbs to proper levels.

 

[toddthelineman]

getting some from honey, can add rice

Pretty ideal, these are what I started with and often are the only carbs I eat. Personally, I would not go straight to 600g a day. I would start small and ramp it up. Maybe like 20 grams of honey and a cup of white rice for the first day. The reason I say this is because if you’ve been carnivore for a long time that rice isn’t even going to feel like food in your stomach and it’s going to do weird things to your hydration whether you drink extra water or not. You have bone broth? Get some. Drink it daily. Make your rice with it!

lost my carnivore purist status

Good! Social media and tribalism made the whole thing ridiculous.

 

[Norwhey99]

Hi @aquadux

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4800 calories at 75kg , somethings wrong bro

Thats my calories for surplus right now and i am 91kg :O