1st cycle test prop log

[aquadux]

Hello, first log so I’ll try to format it as best I can. Started pinning 3 days ago.

Stats: 19 been in the gym for quite a while 6”1 barefoot ~75kg. Will measure my bidelt and include it in future posts to measure changes in my frame.

Cycle: Running 300 test p, with everyday VG injections (around 5 o’clock pins), planning to titrate up depending on how I’m feeling with the dose. Considered running orals but I’ve decided the first cycle should be a learning opportunity and it will be good to see how my body tolerates gear before adding too many variables. I have arimdex on hand (using it instead of aromasin as it’s non steroidal and arimdex seems in my opinion to be better as I don’t have to titrate the dose down). Gear is from @UGL OZ. Drawing with a 21g and pinning with a 25g 1” but may change to 27g as I want to limit scar tissue with the daily injections.

Split: running an Upper/Lower/Upper Rest Upper/Lower, hitting upper body every 48hrs (seems to be what sounds best in the literature)

Diet: Currently eating a somewhat carnivore diet (im sure it can be argued against with regard to bodybuilding but it’s what makes me feel good as opposed to ‘balanced’ diet and keeps the acne at bay and hopefully will on cycle). Food intake looks something like this. 12 eggs 1kg 80/20 beef mince 2L milk. Open to adding simple carbs depending on how I’m feeling. With regard to cholesterol/other blood markers (regarding high meat intake) I have recently had my bloodwork done and have consulted my doc and the literature regarding what I’m eating and it is of my opinion that this is the best way to eat for me.

Duration: planning to run for 16-20 weeks (but of course will be dictated by sides and personal feeling, also bloodwork)

PCT: planning to just run clomid/novaldex after test is out of my system. Will see if I even run pct at all depending on how this cycle goes as I might just cruise.

Bloodwork: got it done recently and checked with my GP and my bloods are clear, they haven’t released to me on myGov yet but I will add them when I do. Planning more bloods mid cycle once test has saturated.

Q’s: I expected moderate pip as it’s my first time injecting and especially because it’s a short ester but my glutes are fried. I’ll try heating the oil and pinning slower and maybe a different site.

Physique photos: Currently don’t have any as I don’t really enjoy taking them and looking at myself, just a personal thing. But I will take some tomorrow and add them in the future logs.

But yeah thanks boys. I understand if people think I’m too young or too inexperienced but I assure you I have taken the time to read and educate myself thoroughly (I enjoy pharmacology quite a bit as a hobby). I’ve already made the decision to use steroids and all im worried about now is getting the most out of it in the safest way possible.

If anyone has any thoughts/tips I’d be open to that. Thanks boys

 

[aquadux]

Thought it would also be good to add the fact that I have a variocele and impaired testicular function and my testosterone is on the lower end according to bloods.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello, first log so I’ll try to format it as best I can. Started pinning 3 days ago.

Stats: 19 been in the gym for quite a while 6”1 barefoot ~75kg. Will measure my bidelt and include it in future posts to measure changes in my frame.

Cycle: Running 300 test p, with everyday VG injections (around 5 o’clock pins), planning to titrate up depending on how I’m feeling with the dose. Considered running orals but I’ve decided the first cycle should be a learning opportunity and it will be good to see how my body tolerates gear before adding too many variables. I have arimdex on hand (using it instead of aromasin as it’s non steroidal and arimdex seems in my opinion to be better as I don’t have to titrate the dose down). Gear is from @UGL OZ. Drawing with a 21g and pinning with a 25g 1” but may change to 27g as I want to limit scar tissue with the daily injections.

Split: running an Upper/Lower/Upper Rest Upper/Lower, hitting upper body every 48hrs (seems to be what sounds best in the literature)

Diet: Currently eating a somewhat carnivore diet (im sure it can be argued against with regard to bodybuilding but it’s what makes me feel good as opposed to ‘balanced’ diet and keeps the acne at bay and hopefully will on cycle). Food intake looks something like this. 12 eggs 1kg 80/20 beef mince 2L milk. Open to adding simple carbs depending on how I’m feeling. With regard to cholesterol/other blood markers (regarding high meat intake) I have recently had my bloodwork done and have consulted my doc and the literature regarding what I’m eating and it is of my opinion that this is the best way to eat for me.

Duration: planning to run for 16-20 weeks (but of course will be dictated by sides and personal feeling, also bloodwork)

PCT: planning to just run clomid/novaldex after test is out of my system. Will see if I even run pct at all depending on how this cycle goes as I might just cruise.

Bloodwork: got it done recently and checked with my GP and my bloods are clear, they haven’t released to me on myGov yet but I will add them when I do. Planning more bloods mid cycle once test has saturated.

Q’s: I expected moderate pip as it’s my first time injecting and especially because it’s a short ester but my glutes are fried. I’ll try heating the oil and pinning slower and maybe a different site.

Physique photos: Currently don’t have any as I don’t really enjoy taking them and looking at myself, just a personal thing. But I will take some tomorrow and add them in the future logs.

But yeah thanks boys. I understand if people think I’m too young or too inexperienced but I assure you I have taken the time to read and educate myself thoroughly (I enjoy pharmacology quite a bit as a hobby). I’ve already made the decision to use steroids and all im worried about now is getting the most out of it in the safest way possible.

If anyone has any thoughts/tips I’d be open to that. Thanks boys

welcome to the EVO family @aquadux sorry to tell you this but 19 is very young and way too young for gear without bloods or pics.

Lets start with you sharing some pics of you with your face blurred
and add your bloods as well

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Coolguy @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri

 

[aquadux]

welcome to the EVO family @aquadux sorry to tell you this but 19 is very young and way too young for gear without bloods or pics.

Lets start with you sharing some pics of you with your face blurred
and add your bloods as well

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Coolguy @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri

Will do in the morning. Will add bloods whenever they release as they still haven’t on my myGov as I got them done through a GP.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

Interested to see the blood work.
If the levels were that poor and in need of TRT the Dr would have prescribed it.

I get why you want to level up faster. But at 19, you haven’t reached your true natural peak yet . It’s cool your interested In pharmacology but you should have paid attention to human physiology and biology as well

Muscle mass, shoulder broadening, and overall body maturity often continue developing into the early 20s.

And the male brain continues developing until about 25years old.

 

[Freki]

Hi @aquadux

4800 calories at 75kg , somethings wrong bro

 

[Coolguy]

Fuck it hes pinned now boys.
Even if 19 is to young.
If his T levels are super low maybe a true trt dose would be better. 100mg or 125mg of a longer ester i think

 

[R.AP]

Hello, first log so I’ll try to format it as best I can. Started pinning 3 days ago.

Stats: 19 been in the gym for quite a while 6”1 barefoot ~75kg. Will measure my bidelt and include it in future posts to measure changes in my frame.

Cycle: Running 300 test p, with everyday VG injections (around 5 o’clock pins), planning to titrate up depending on how I’m feeling with the dose. Considered running orals but I’ve decided the first cycle should be a learning opportunity and it will be good to see how my body tolerates gear before adding too many variables. I have arimdex on hand (using it instead of aromasin as it’s non steroidal and arimdex seems in my opinion to be better as I don’t have to titrate the dose down). Gear is from @UGL OZ. Drawing with a 21g and pinning with a 25g 1” but may change to 27g as I want to limit scar tissue with the daily injections.

Split: running an Upper/Lower/Upper Rest Upper/Lower, hitting upper body every 48hrs (seems to be what sounds best in the literature)

Diet: Currently eating a somewhat carnivore diet (im sure it can be argued against with regard to bodybuilding but it’s what makes me feel good as opposed to ‘balanced’ diet and keeps the acne at bay and hopefully will on cycle). Food intake looks something like this. 12 eggs 1kg 80/20 beef mince 2L milk. Open to adding simple carbs depending on how I’m feeling. With regard to cholesterol/other blood markers (regarding high meat intake) I have recently had my bloodwork done and have consulted my doc and the literature regarding what I’m eating and it is of my opinion that this is the best way to eat for me.

Duration: planning to run for 16-20 weeks (but of course will be dictated by sides and personal feeling, also bloodwork)

PCT: planning to just run clomid/novaldex after test is out of my system. Will see if I even run pct at all depending on how this cycle goes as I might just cruise.

Bloodwork: got it done recently and checked with my GP and my bloods are clear, they haven’t released to me on myGov yet but I will add them when I do. Planning more bloods mid cycle once test has saturated.

Q’s: I expected moderate pip as it’s my first time injecting and especially because it’s a short ester but my glutes are fried. I’ll try heating the oil and pinning slower and maybe a different site.

Physique photos: Currently don’t have any as I don’t really enjoy taking them and looking at myself, just a personal thing. But I will take some tomorrow and add them in the future logs.

But yeah thanks boys. I understand if people think I’m too young or too inexperienced but I assure you I have taken the time to read and educate myself thoroughly (I enjoy pharmacology quite a bit as a hobby). I’ve already made the decision to use steroids and all im worried about now is getting the most out of it in the safest way possible.

If anyone has any thoughts/tips I’d be open to that. Thanks boys

Cycle philosophy is sound bro, you absolutely don't need orals on a first cycle. Lean on the nutrition and training and get the most out of them alongside your test. Stay healthy, and stay on; you may be able to run this cycle for much longer than 20 weeks.

Nutrition has a few holes, and you're in a PRIME position to get the most out of it, but if you feel good then that's a big part of the picture. The right micronutrients though will go a long way.

Keen to see physique pics! I'll be following.

 

[aquadux]

Interested to see the blood work.
If the levels were that poor and in need of TRT the Dr would have prescribed it.

I get why you want to level up faster. But at 19, you haven’t reached your true natural peak yet . It’s cool your interested In pharmacology but you should have paid attention to human physiology and biology as well

Muscle mass, shoulder broadening, and overall body maturity often continue developing into the early 20s.

And the male brain continues developing until about 25years old.

I’ve done my reading into brain development and the effects of supraphysiological amounts of testosterone and from the instances they’ve studied it really dosent affect the development of the brain much, thas why I’m not going to push the dose too high because the huge majority of detrimental brain developmental effects come from nuking your estrogen which is one of the primary hormones for developing the brain. It’s why girls mature quicker than boys. Thanks for the comment though mate I appreciate having people to talk to about this

 

[Pigsy]

Will be following your log

 

[Dreamer]

Looking forward to your pics man.

There is plenty of supporters for the carnivore diet but my personal opinion is the saturated fat is no good while running gear, body needs carbs for energy and glycogen, its less than optimal, you should really explore changing that.

 

[aquadux]

Looking forward to your pics man.

There is plenty of supporters for the carnivore diet but my personal opinion is the saturated fat is no good while running gear, body needs carbs for energy and glycogen, its less than optimal, you should really explore changing that.

Yeah, going to hop on topical (maybe oral) tret so I can eat simple carbs without breaking out. I definetly do agree that from a bodybuilding standpoint that carnivore is not optimal. Just want to establish a good baseline where I’m feeling good on gear and will explore other options from there.

 

[aquadux]

Cycle philosophy is sound bro, you absolutely don't need orals on a first cycle. Lean on the nutrition and training and get the most out of them alongside your test. Stay healthy, and stay on; you may be able to run this cycle for much longer than 20 weeks.

Nutrition has a few holes, and you're in a PRIME position to get the most out of it, but if you feel good then that's a big part of the picture. The right micronutrients though will go a long way.

Keen to see physique pics! I'll be following.

Yeah just trying to establish a good baseline while the gears saturating. If I can get to a point where I’m feeling good I’m for sure open to alternating my current practises. Longevity and feeling good is the biggest factor for me. Will keep you updated to as how I’m feeling, the test hasn’t really ‘kicked’ in yet. So far feeling great though I’m just super excited to be on this journey. Constant high from that I suppose

 

[aquadux]

Fuck it hes pinned now boys.
Even if 19 is to young.
If his T levels are super low maybe a true trt dose would be better. 100mg or 125mg of a longer ester i think

Yeah I did consider a trt dose, but I suppose it’s definetly difficult to settle for that, especially for me. Went for the shorter ester as I prefer not to have big troughs and would rather just keep it as a higher baseline as that somewhat mimics natural endogenous secretion a bit more. Also pinning e/d means I’m not having to do huge amounts of oil at once.

 

[aquadux]

Hi @aquadux

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4800 calories at 75kg , somethings wrong bro

Yeah definetly open to changing the intake. Just trying to establish a good baseline and it’s not everyday that I’m eating that amount of food. I would say my meat intake fluctuates from 600g-1000g and my eggs from 8-12. I have been eating this way for quite a while though and I don’t have to ‘force’ myself to eat that much. Just trying to be intuitive with my nutrition especially on cycle. I’ll adjust it accordingly to the recommendations I get on here and my feelings. Thanks mate

 

[Freki]

Yeah definetly open to changing the intake. Just trying to establish a good baseline and it’s not everyday that I’m eating that amount of food. I would say my meat intake fluctuates from 600g-1000g and my eggs from 8-12. I have been eating this way for quite a while though and I don’t have to ‘force’ myself to eat that much. Just trying to be intuitive with my nutrition especially on cycle. I’ll adjust it accordingly to the recommendations I get on here and my feelings. Thanks mate

Track it for this next week so we can see exactly the total intake. Without that we are running blind

 

[Trenhead3cc]

I’ve done my reading into brain development and the effects of supraphysiological amounts of testosterone and from the instances they’ve studied it really dosent affect the development of the brain much, thas why I’m not going to push the dose too high because the huge majority of detrimental brain developmental effects come from nuking your estrogen which is one of the primary hormones for developing the brain. It’s why girls mature quicker than boys. Thanks for the comment though mate I appreciate having people to talk to about this

Yeah testosterone isn’t a problem, it’s like you said later on comment with just a TRT dose being hard to just take that amount.
It’s the addictive nature the gear can have , you start adding nandrolones etc chasing more and more. So long as you are mindful and look after yourself, that’s all anyone wants. You are of course your own person and can do what you wish.

 

[aquadux]

Track it for this next week so we can see exactly the total intake. Without that we are running blind

Will log it all. And log it in next week 1 update.

 

[aquadux]

Yeah testosterone isn’t a problem, it’s like you said later on comment with just a TRT dose being hard to just take that amount.
It’s the addictive nature the gear can have , you start adding nandrolones etc chasing more and more. So long as you are mindful and look after yourself, that’s all anyone wants. You are of course your own person and can do what you wish.

Yeah. I dont drink, I dont do drugs and I have been eating strict for over a year and a half. I just feel that for all i've given up taking some anabolics is a fair trade.

 

[Trenhead3cc]

Yeah. I dont drink, I dont do drugs and I have been eating strict for over a year and a half. I just feel that for all i've given up taking some anabolics is a fair trade.

No worries just take care of yourself as you are dipping your toes into this at a very young age

 

[aquadux]

No worries just take care of yourself as you are dipping your toes into this at a very young age

Thanks mate, will tag you in future updates.

 

[R.AP]

Yeah just trying to establish a good baseline while the gears saturating. If I can get to a point where I’m feeling good I’m for sure open to alternating my current practises. Longevity and feeling good is the biggest factor for me. Will keep you updated to as how I’m feeling, the test hasn’t really ‘kicked’ in yet. So far feeling great though I’m just super excited to be on this journey. Constant high from that I suppose

Good man!

The effects of test are a snowballing improvement in lifestyle practices and habits as a result of the "test makes effort feel good" affect. Best case scenario is that you should never really 'feel like you're on cycle' so to say

 

[LevButlerov]

post some pics with your face blurred out lets see your base @aquadux

Thanks mate, will tag you in future updates.

 

[aquadux]

post some pics with your face blurred out lets see your base @aquadux

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

 

[aquadux]

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

@Trenhead3cc @Freki @R.AP @Dreamer @Pigsy @Coolguy. Tagged everyone who’s been in here so far. Sorry for bad pics, first time taking physique shots

 

[aquadux]

@Trenhead3cc @Freki @R.AP @Dreamer @Pigsy @Coolguy. Tagged everyone who’s been in here so far. Sorry for bad pics, first time taking physique shots

@LevButlerov @waggat

 

[waggat]

Hello, first log so I’ll try to format it as best I can. Started pinning 3 days ago.

Stats: 19 been in the gym for quite a while 6”1 barefoot ~75kg. Will measure my bidelt and include it in future posts to measure changes in my frame.

Cycle: Running 300 test p, with everyday VG injections (around 5 o’clock pins), planning to titrate up depending on how I’m feeling with the dose. Considered running orals but I’ve decided the first cycle should be a learning opportunity and it will be good to see how my body tolerates gear before adding too many variables. I have arimdex on hand (using it instead of aromasin as it’s non steroidal and arimdex seems in my opinion to be better as I don’t have to titrate the dose down). Gear is from @UGL OZ. Drawing with a 21g and pinning with a 25g 1” but may change to 27g as I want to limit scar tissue with the daily injections.

Split: running an Upper/Lower/Upper Rest Upper/Lower, hitting upper body every 48hrs (seems to be what sounds best in the literature)

Diet: Currently eating a somewhat carnivore diet (im sure it can be argued against with regard to bodybuilding but it’s what makes me feel good as opposed to ‘balanced’ diet and keeps the acne at bay and hopefully will on cycle). Food intake looks something like this. 12 eggs 1kg 80/20 beef mince 2L milk. Open to adding simple carbs depending on how I’m feeling. With regard to cholesterol/other blood markers (regarding high meat intake) I have recently had my bloodwork done and have consulted my doc and the literature regarding what I’m eating and it is of my opinion that this is the best way to eat for me.

Duration: planning to run for 16-20 weeks (but of course will be dictated by sides and personal feeling, also bloodwork)

PCT: planning to just run clomid/novaldex after test is out of my system. Will see if I even run pct at all depending on how this cycle goes as I might just cruise.

Bloodwork: got it done recently and checked with my GP and my bloods are clear, they haven’t released to me on myGov yet but I will add them when I do. Planning more bloods mid cycle once test has saturated.

Q’s: I expected moderate pip as it’s my first time injecting and especially because it’s a short ester but my glutes are fried. I’ll try heating the oil and pinning slower and maybe a different site.

Physique photos: Currently don’t have any as I don’t really enjoy taking them and looking at myself, just a personal thing. But I will take some tomorrow and add them in the future logs.

But yeah thanks boys. I understand if people think I’m too young or too inexperienced but I assure you I have taken the time to read and educate myself thoroughly (I enjoy pharmacology quite a bit as a hobby). I’ve already made the decision to use steroids and all im worried about now is getting the most out of it in the safest way possible.

If anyone has any thoughts/tips I’d be open to that. Thanks boys

Welcome to Evo.

19 is young mate. I think you could make significant gains as a natural still. Unless you do have a medical condition causing low T. And if that's the case, why not a trt dose of 100-150/week while you get everything else dialled in?

I'd like to know more about your training history, current training and diet.

How long have you been working out consistently for (at least 3-4 days per week every single week) and following a reasonable program?

Can you should us some typical recent workouts including weights used. I don't care too much for your split TBH. If you are really pushing it I don't think you can hit 3 x upper workouts a week. Easiest fix would be to switch to push, pull, legs, rest repeat or push pull legs rest upper lower rest.

For diet, do you consistently eat enough to gain? I'd like to see you tracking all your food so you can post your macros here.

 

[Freki]

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

Looking good mate, great starting point,
I agree with @waggat if you have low T , then trt is the best option at your age

 

[waggat]

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

Looking really good mate. Based on these photos I'd say you've got good genetics for muscle building.

 

[R.AP]

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

Nice work brother. Keep your initial growth phase conservative with the calories and you should be able to recomp until your lower abs and obliques are in. You can progress food a smidge there until you're growing 300 - 500g/ week

 

[LevButlerov]

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

you have a really good base, strong size and you look lean @aquadux

 

[LevButlerov]

Yep just took them mate. Sorry, they look pretty shit the lighting and angle is horrible. I almost need a tripod or something. I’ve never had to take pics like this before very humbling.

have you done blood work? @aquadux

 

[aquadux]

have you done blood work? @aquadux

yep will link it shortly.

 

[aquadux]

you have a really good base, strong size and you look lean @aquadux

not very lean right now hahah. kind of weird fat dist. and some pretty bad asymmetries i want to work on. thanks though mate

 

[aquadux]

have you done blood work? @aquadux

It’s all here, these are all the tests I had done about 1 month ago. Sorry for formatting, not able to export or anything. P.S, regarding T levels, me saying they are ‘low’ might be an overstatement to some here, but this test is the result of me completely slaving away for about a year and a bit of my life at every minute detail regarding my testosterone and hormone function. No drinking, no drugs, no food apart from meat water eggs and milk. No polyester, 9hrs a night, every tiny detail you can think of I was doing. and for mediocre levels was a huge discouragement for me. I want to be able to live my life without stressing about everything I do. (I also was exhibiting many low T symptoms).
Hope I can get my log approved now @LevButlerov

 

[jenkemj]

Thought it would also be good to add the fact that I have a variocele and impaired testicular function and my testosterone is on the lower end according to bloods.

Have you had your fertility tested? Unless you’re infertile, it’d be worth getting your sperm frozen. Alot of men can’t get their fertility back from using test and with your condition I’d imagine it’d be even less likely.
Atleast that way you can mitigate that risk for yourself you choose to have children in the future.

Other than that bro the base looks solid! Looking forward to seeing the gains!

 

[jenkemj]

It’s all here, these are all the tests I had done about 1 month ago. Sorry for formatting, not able to export or anything. P.S, regarding T levels, me saying they are ‘low’ might be an overstatement to some here, but this test is the result of me completely slaving away for about a year and a bit of my life at every minute detail regarding my testosterone and hormone function. No drinking, no drugs, no food apart from meat water eggs and milk. No polyester, 9hrs a night, every tiny detail you can think of I was doing. and for mediocre levels was a huge discouragement for me. I want to be able to live my life without stressing about everything I do. (I also was exhibiting many low T symptoms).
Hope I can get my log approved now @LevButlerov

Bloods look great

 

[aquadux]

Have you had your fertility tested? Unless you’re infertile, it’d be worth getting your sperm frozen. Alot of men can’t get their fertility back from using test and with your condition I’d imagine it’d be even less likely.
Atleast that way you can mitigate that risk for yourself you choose to have children in the future.

Other than that bro the base looks solid! Looking forward to seeing the gains!

definitely considered it. Will assess my bloods as I embark upon the journey I suppose and make a decision based on which way I’m trending. Pretty confident I’d be able to restore fertility with proper compound clearance and pct, especially with the pharmacology today.

Wouldn’t you worry that your child wouldn’t be created in the midst of love and was made in a lab?? Always kind of a moral dilemma for me. Thanks for the reply mate will do my best to make all the boys here proud

 

[aquadux]

First biweekly check in:

Feeling quite good, pip has subsided for the most part. Definitely noticing some increased libido and thought provocation towards seeing women. Gym yesterday and wicked pump, Metallica & linkin park already sounding better on gear sitting at around 250mgs p/w this week but am definitely going to titrate up to around 350 over the coming weeks. Definetly noticing a little more annoyance in crowded social situations, and have had consistent comments for the past two days about a deeper voice, not sure as I can attribute that to the T though as it dosent really make sense with regard to saturation. Can’t get over how excited I am and has given me even more motivation to push harder than I have ever before in the gym.

Goals for coming week:
Establish better formatting in the log posts, maybe colour coded for all the tren monsters to keep them entertained Definetly going to buy a tripod this week and establish a place with decent angles/lighting so I can take consistent photos and have a fair comparison.

Really excited to become a part of this forum and community. Hope you boys know I’m going to give this my all, hope to make you guys proud (coming from a newbie LOL). Big things coming.. (I hope)

 

[jenkemj]

definitely considered it. Will assess my bloods as I embark upon the journey I suppose and make a decision based on which way I’m trending. Pretty confident I’d be able to restore fertility with proper compound clearance and pct, especially with the pharmacology today.

Wouldn’t you worry that your child wouldn’t be created in the midst of love and was made in a lab?? Always kind of a moral dilemma for me. Thanks for the reply mate will do my best to make all the boys here proud

Fair enough mate, just figured I’d throw it out there anyway!

Hahah honestly hadn’t thought of it like that before! As long as mine doesn’t come out a different skin colour I’ll assume it’s mine lol

You can tell you’ve put a lot of thought into your cycle aswell, detailed plans go a long way here

 

[jenkemj]

First biweekly check in:

Feeling quite good, pip has subsided for the most part. Definitely noticing some increased libido and thought provocation towards seeing women. Gym yesterday and wicked pump, Metallica & linkin park already sounding better on gear sitting at around 250mgs p/w this week but am definitely going to titrate up to around 350 over the coming weeks. Definetly noticing a little more annoyance in crowded social situations, and have had consistent comments for the past two days about a deeper voice, not sure as I can attribute that to the T though as it dosent really make sense with regard to saturation. Can’t get over how excited I am and has given me even more motivation to push harder than I have ever before in the gym.

Goals for coming week:
Establish better formatting in the log posts, maybe colour coded for all the tren monsters to keep them entertained Definetly going to buy a tripod this week and establish a place with decent angles/lighting so I can take consistent photos and have a fair comparison.

Really excited to become a part of this forum and community. Hope you boys know I’m going to give this my all, hope to make you guys proud (coming from a newbie LOL). Big things coming.. (I hope)

Metallica and Linkin Park

 

[aquadux]

Fair enough mate, just figured I’d throw it out there anyway!

Hahah honestly hadn’t thought of it like that before! As long as mine doesn’t come out a different skin colour I’ll assume it’s mine lol

You can tell you’ve put a lot of thought into your cycle aswell, detailed plans go a long way here

Thanks brother I appreciate the comments and getting to know people in the community. Still trying to educate myself moreso on actual biochemistry and mechanistically how things work/interact so I can understand it better. Don’t think I ever understood how nuanced steroids/pharmacology truly was until I jumped into this rabbit hole. Definetly one of the deepest I’ve ever been stuck in. Tricky thing is, you spend too much time learning nuances and you’ve got no time left to blast leap of faith always. Glad I took it. (not to say that you should make uneducated decisions founded on poor knowledge)

 

[aquadux]

Metallica and Linkin Park

Goes from that to MJ and Elvis, then to ABBA, then Wham!, then straight back to destroying my eardrums

 

[jenkemj]

Korn, Megadeth and the Bee Gees for me, so I also suffer with chaos of emotion lol

 

[aquadux]

Korn, Megadeth and the Bee Gees for me, so I also suffer with chaos of emotion lol

Fuck i love the bee gees man! Saturday night fever was great. Should definitely listen to some of their real early stuff, kind of a weird style, before they found their niche, but they sound exactly like the Beatles. Like dead on, similar vocal/instrumental quirks and everything.

 

[waggat]

It’s all here, these are all the tests I had done about 1 month ago. Sorry for formatting, not able to export or anything. P.S, regarding T levels, me saying they are ‘low’ might be an overstatement to some here, but this test is the result of me completely slaving away for about a year and a bit of my life at every minute detail regarding my testosterone and hormone function. No drinking, no drugs, no food apart from meat water eggs and milk. No polyester, 9hrs a night, every tiny detail you can think of I was doing. and for mediocre levels was a huge discouragement for me. I want to be able to live my life without stressing about everything I do. (I also was exhibiting many low T symptoms).
Hope I can get my log approved now @LevButlerov

Blood work looks good.

I'm worried about you doing a cycle to feel good (from low T symptoms). Is that your main goal or are you just after physique gains that come with elevated T? What happens when your cycle finishes? You'll likely end up worse off in terms of how you feel compared to pre cycle.

Did you ever have your T tested without 'doing all this stuff to get it higher'?

 

[aquadux]

Blood work looks good.

I'm worried about you doing a cycle to feel good (from low T symptoms). Is that your main goal or are you just after physique gains that come with elevated T? What happens when your cycle finishes? You'll likely end up worse off in terms of how you feel compared to pre cycle.

Did you ever have your T tested without 'doing all this stuff to get it higher'?

Defiently doing this cycle for the anabolic effects. This decision isn't mainly orientated around trt, at least not yet, after I run this cycle and understand how test affects me individually, I’ll make a decision either to wait and clear my bloods and pct, or I’m going to continue to cycle then cruise. If I wanted just mental and psychological effects I would be taking a trt dose.

 

[LevButlerov]

It’s all here, these are all the tests I had done about 1 month ago. Sorry for formatting, not able to export or anything. P.S, regarding T levels, me saying they are ‘low’ might be an overstatement to some here, but this test is the result of me completely slaving away for about a year and a bit of my life at every minute detail regarding my testosterone and hormone function. No drinking, no drugs, no food apart from meat water eggs and milk. No polyester, 9hrs a night, every tiny detail you can think of I was doing. and for mediocre levels was a huge discouragement for me. I want to be able to live my life without stressing about everything I do. (I also was exhibiting many low T symptoms).
Hope I can get my log approved now @LevButlerov

have you done your e2 tests?
looking at your tests now I think just taking a fadogia based test booster and zinc can increase your test levels by 30% easy, have you tried this? @aquadux

 

[aquadux]

have you done your e2 tests?
looking at your tests now I think just taking a fadogia based test booster and zinc can increase your test levels by 30% easy, have you tried this? @aquadux

yes have experimented with supplementation, no good for me. just dont feel well and bloods are better when im getting my nutrients from food (i'm eating oysters 1-2 a week) can get my e2 done this weekend. was just going to wait until mid cycle to test for it as i dont exhibit any high e2 sides currently and with regard to my T not being super high id have minimal conversion pre cycle, i just didnt think it would be a super important metric, i can get the bloods done if you want though also was wondering if you had any experience with MOAI's as I'm trying to form somewhat of a pharma stack in parallel with my cycle. was thinking either lembroxant or mirtazipine before bed, and maybe rasagiline + vortioxetine during the day as a base. also was wondering what books you would reccomend on the topic of PED's, I love to read and would love to consolidate my understanding moreso from a mechanistic standpoint. Thanks mate

 

[Alice_In_Ironland]

Defiently doing this cycle for the anabolic effects. This decision isn't mainly orientated around trt, at least not yet, after I run this cycle and understand how test affects me individually, I’ll make a decision either to wait and clear my bloods and pct, or I’m going to continue to cycle then cruise. If I wanted just mental and psychological effects I would be taking a trt dose.

Welcome to EVO. It would be helpful if you could share more detailed info regarding: training logs & photos/ short clips for form checks. I do believe that your diet needs adjusting if hypertrophy is the goal here.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Fuck it hes pinned now boys.
Even if 19 is to young.
If his T levels are super low maybe a true trt dose would be better. 100mg or 125mg of a longer ester i think

Naw he is on prop that would clear fast he could stop if he wanted...

 

[aquadux]

Welcome to EVO. It would be helpful if you could share more detailed info regarding: training logs & photos/ short clips for form checks. I do believe that your diet needs adjusting if hypertrophy is the goal here.

will be uploading training vids and weekly weighs/photoshoots, and am going to link my split. going to do it in my monday log

 

[LevButlerov]

yes have experimented with supplementation, no good for me. just dont feel well and bloods are better when im getting my nutrients from food (i'm eating oysters 1-2 a week) can get my e2 done this weekend. was just going to wait until mid cycle to test for it as i dont exhibit any high e2 sides currently and with regard to my T not being super high id have minimal conversion pre cycle, i just didnt think it would be a super important metric, i can get the bloods done if you want though also was wondering if you had any experience with MOAI's as I'm trying to form somewhat of a pharma stack in parallel with my cycle. was thinking either lembroxant or mirtazipine before bed, and maybe rasagiline + vortioxetine during the day as a base. also was wondering what books you would reccomend on the topic of PED's, I love to read and would love to consolidate my understanding moreso from a mechanistic standpoint. Thanks mate

You have bloods pre and post fadogia test booster? hcgenerates style?
when you say you don't "feel" you mean you have actual bloods or just your guess? @aquadux

I think in your situation being this young you're jumping forward but you didn't test the other options thats why I bring this up

 

[aquadux]

You have bloods pre and post fadogia test booster? hcgenerates style?
when you say you don't "feel" you mean you have actual bloods or just your guess? @aquadux

I think in your situation being this young you're jumping forward but you didn't test the other options thats why I bring this up

yeah look truthfully, i probably havent given all of those options a full go, although. ive made up my mind to start cycling and embark upon this journey so i suppose thats it thanks though mate. will tag you when i do my week 1 check in log. feeling really good so far just minor mood changes, but i 'feel' really good (might even be placebo ).

 

[LevButlerov]

yeah look truthfully, i probably havent given all of those options a full go, although. ive made up my mind to start cycling and embark upon this journey so i suppose thats it thanks though mate. will tag you when i do my week 1 check in log. feeling really good so far just minor mood changes, but i 'feel' really good (might even be placebo ).

if you're going all the way with this cycle, why not try using hgh first? @aquadux before test prop
hgh wont mess up your hormones and you might get all the results you want

 

[aquadux]

if you're going all the way with this cycle, why not try using hgh first? @aquadux before test prop
hgh wont mess up your hormones and you might get all the results you want

going to run hgh in future, just quite expensive in AU, also dosent have the same effects as test that i want. hormone recovery isnt a huge concern for me as im pretty confident in proper pct protocols. thank you though mate it means a lot & i think its important that there are people like you out there trying to provide alternative options so people can be educated and not make uninformed decisions. but at the end of the day ive made up my mind, and deciding to do this has been a huge boost to my mental health, super excited for the future and whats to come. thanks mate

 

[Noah Wixx]

At your age hormone recovery should be your main concern truthfully with how young you are, people grow change and priorities and wants in life shift as people age, u put hormone recovery on the background now it will be harder as you get deeper into this, pct doesnt always work, some guys really struggle with it, if your test levels are already low as you say.. coming off and doing a pct u will struggle even more, these are the types of things you actually really need to think about trust me on that.

 

[aquadux]

At your age hormone recovery should be your main concern truthfully with how young you are, people grow change and priorities and wants in life shift as people age, u put hormone recovery on the background now it will be harder as you get deeper into this, pct doesnt always work, some guys really struggle with it, if your test levels are already low as you say.. coming off and doing a pct u will struggle even more, these are the types of things you actually really need to think about trust me on that.

im reading about hormone recovery about just as much as I am anabolics to be honest. In contemporary society I don’t really have a problem with being a lifetime trt patient, every element of the world now is designed to ruin your health and tank your test. It’s an uphill battle, not saying you can’t win it but yeah

 

[LevButlerov]

going to run hgh in future, just quite expensive in AU, also dosent have the same effects as test that i want. hormone recovery isnt a huge concern for me as im pretty confident in proper pct protocols. thank you though mate it means a lot & i think its important that there are people like you out there trying to provide alternative options so people can be educated and not make uninformed decisions. but at the end of the day ive made up my mind, and deciding to do this has been a huge boost to my mental health, super excited for the future and whats to come. thanks mate

I guess we can't stop you so have to support you but anyone reading this can see we tried @aquadux pull the trigger in that case

 

[aquadux]

I guess we can't stop you so have to support you but anyone reading this can see we tried @aquadux pull the trigger in that case

no responsibility whatsoever on you guys, thanks for doing the right thing and giving out good info/warnings and alternatives, my mind has just already been made for some time is all. just finished my first week of T with everyday prop injections of 0.35ml, feeling super good. Thanks lev

 

[LevButlerov]

no responsibility whatsoever on you guys, thanks for doing the right thing and giving out good info/warnings and alternatives, my mind has just already been made for some time is all. just finished my first week of T with everyday prop injections of 0.35ml, feeling super good. Thanks lev

lets go in that case @aquadux I cant encourage it but will support your journey please start posting training diet supps

 

[aquadux]

lets go in that case @aquadux I cant encourage it but will support your journey please start posting training diet supps

will do next log coming early next week also was wondering if you had any books you reccomend on the topic of steroids as I saw you have a masters and I love to read

 

[LevButlerov]

will do next log coming early next week also was wondering if you had any books you reccomend on the topic of steroids as I saw you have a masters and I love to read

if you really are cycling you should be doing training diet updates EOD to show us you're into it @aquadux

ebooks read the ones I co wrote on IG: https://irongorillas.com/
and not instagram but IronGorillas

 

[aquadux]

if you really are cycling you should be doing training diet updates EOD to show us you're into it @aquadux

ebooks read the ones I co wrote on IG: https://irongorillas.com/
and not instagram but IronGorillas

ok will start linking my training log and food

 

[LevButlerov]

ok will start linking my training log and food

and supplements

 

[toddthelineman]

Diet: Currently eating a somewhat carnivore diet (im sure it can be argued against with regard to bodybuilding but it’s what makes me feel good as opposed to ‘balanced’ diet and keeps the acne at bay

I was strict carnivore for four years before I started trt etc. like beef and water. I was very well suited to it. Almost as soon as I started my body demanded carbs. But some people do it, to one degree or another. IMO, if you eat any plants or processed food, you’re not really carnivore. People still call me carnivore because I eat pounds of meat a day. Totally not the same

understand if people think I’m too young or too inexperienced but I assure you I have taken the time to read and educate myself thoroughly (I enjoy pharmacology quite a bit as a hobby). I’ve

That’s what everyone says. It would be better to wait, probably, but it’s not like you’re the first and you’ll probably be fine. Pretty likely you are altering the course of your life permanently. That’s certain. But you’ll get some benefits and have some downsides along the way. No free lunch! Be smart. If you doing plan the end it can only end badly.


Re propianate: it hurts and mg for mg it’s expensive. Rotate sites or you’ll possibly be unable to walk at some point. Some formulations are better than others, but it USUALLY hurts

 

[aquadux]

I was strict carnivore for four years before I started trt etc. like beef and water. I was very well suited to it. Almost as soon as I started my body demanded carbs. But some people do it, to one degree or another. IMO, if you eat any plants or processed food, you’re not really carnivore. People still call me carnivore because I eat pounds of meat a day. Totally not the same

That’s what everyone says. It would be better to wait, probably, but it’s not like you’re the first and you’ll probably be fine. Pretty likely you are altering the course of your life permanently. That’s certain. But you’ll get some benefits and have some downsides along the way. No free lunch! Be smart. If you doing plan the end it can only end badly.


Re propianate: it hurts and mg for mg it’s expensive. Rotate sites or you’ll possibly be unable to walk at some point. Some formulations are better than others, but it USUALLY hurts

def can second that LOL my glutes are sore as fuck. I def have been craving milk since i started pinning, im drinking like 2 liters a day raw from my local farm. might add in some simple carbs depending on how im feeling, especially if im adding other compounds. nice to see a fellow carnivore

 

[toddthelineman]

def can second that LOL my glutes are sore as fuck. I def have been craving milk since i started pinning, im drinking like 2 liters a day raw from my local farm. might add in some simple carbs depending on how im feeling, especially if im adding other compounds. nice to see a fellow carnivore

I had a lot of stomach problems and pain. It was pretty miraculous for me. I miss the simplicity and perfect digestion, but I’d hate to pay for that much meat today. I could eat a couple cows a year lmao. I don’t miss every single person I know introducing me to people as a carnivore, or salivating like a bear in a dumpster because I smell pizza

 

[aquadux]

I had a lot of stomach problems and pain. It was pretty miraculous for me. I miss the simplicity and perfect digestion, but I’d hate to pay for that much meat today. I could eat a couple cows a year lmao. I don’t miss every single person I know introducing me to people as a carnivore, or salivating like a bear in a dumpster because I smell pizza

i never really got cravings. i buy all my meat bulk usually. i feel like it’s a pretty good combo with gear from a health perspective, there’s a podcast by that Australian carnivore MD with a guy from the uk who blasts on carnivore lol

 

[toddthelineman]

i never really got cravings. i buy all my meat bulk usually. i feel like it’s a pretty good combo with gear from a health perspective, there’s a podcast by that Australian carnivore MD with a guy from the uk who blasts on carnivore lol

Hahaha I thought nobody was ever going to say it, it was so obvious. But don’t be so sure it’s a good idea. Things are complicated. And that dude lies a lot. Oh wait wait. Idk who you are talking about. I thought you meant Anthony Chafee. He’s from America and lives in Australia

 

[Jag_muscle]

It’s all here, these are all the tests I had done about 1 month ago. Sorry for formatting, not able to export or anything. P.S, regarding T levels, me saying they are ‘low’ might be an overstatement to some here, but this test is the result of me completely slaving away for about a year and a bit of my life at every minute detail regarding my testosterone and hormone function. No drinking, no drugs, no food apart from meat water eggs and milk. No polyester, 9hrs a night, every tiny detail you can think of I was doing. and for mediocre levels was a huge discouragement for me. I want to be able to live my life without stressing about everything I do. (I also was exhibiting many low T symptoms).
Hope I can get my log approved now @LevButlerov

Thank you

 

[aquadux]

Hahaha I thought nobody was ever going to say it, it was so obvious. But don’t be so sure it’s a good idea. Things are complicated. And that dude lies a lot. Oh wait wait. Idk who you are talking about. I thought you meant Anthony Chafee. He’s from America and lives in Australia

Yeah that’s how I’m talking about hahahha.

 

[aquadux]

training /food log today:

bit of a rough one as my sleep last night wasn’t great, jus got to a point where Metallica was the only thing keeping me upright. melatonin coming in tomorrow and going to get some mirtazapene or lembroxant if that dosent work. felt pretty good, took all sets to maximal effort trying to strive for those 10 sec reps. will upload some vids in future.

Food today:
pretty simple, just had 2L milk, 12 eggs (drank them because I couldn’t be assed to cook) and a couple loin chops (my FAVOURITE)

Feeling quite good overall. hoping to get some accutane and gh soon which I’m very excited to be running. just going to micro dose the accutane probably 10-20mg three times a week as a preventative measure, will also get some NAC and tudca to keep the liver kicking. Still deciding where I want to sit with the gh. Bit itchy though, and quite irritable. @LevButlerov

 

[toddthelineman]

Yeah that’s how I’m talking about hahahha.

All of those influencers are narcissists, really. They all try to make claims about being the original this or that. None of them willingly admit where they are getting their knowledge and ideas from. They love throwing around unprovable facts like “carnivore prevents cancer”. And it might in some contexts, but it’s quite inconvenient that the real original modern carnivore they never talk about, Owsley Stanley, he got cancer. He beat it with conventional cancer treatments. He was zero carb for 50 years! You can find everything he shared about it online. He was a powerlifter too, a genius, and not an influencer with anything to gain from your following.

I also know of two carnivores who have had heart attacks and had my own scare last summer. Don’t blindly listen to these people. They won’t help you when you have problems. DM one and ask how much they charge. Paul Saladino: $1400 an hour. He doesn’t have any special knowledge. He’s actually an asshat, used to be a raw vegan and he looked like a full blown crackhead. I’ve got a screen shot of him at that time somewhere. The dude is a total weirdo.

The only one who’s genuine and honest, at least, is Judy Cho. Butshe’s really focused on perkpeople with serious health problems. Which is great! But that’s not you. Don’t get emotionally attached to being carnivore, and don’t be fooled that the carnivore priests have magical knowledge. They don’t know anything special, I did it before MOST of them.

I can keep going btw. How about long term low carb cranking your shbg to the ceiling so you have the free testosterone of a menopausal woman? Yeah that happens. Out happened to Paul Saladino and that’s why he’s not carnivore anymore. But then, go through his pictures over time, and you’ll see when he started eating massive amounts of fruit and honey he started aging rapidly! Oh, and that’s about the same time he broke off with his partner/boss Liver King. So did he just stop talking GH? You’ll never know.

Or! Track back through Shawn bakers photos and figure out how long it took for being carnivore to MAKE HIS OUTER EYEBROWS FALL OUT. That’s from nutritional deficiencies and that dude eats like $2000/week lmao. That happened to me too. And it happened to my friend after being married to a vegan for a few years and being mostly vegan himself. It was her that noticed and she admitted that it probably wasn’t working out for him. It happens very slowly and takes a long time to fix. It’s just the outer eyebrow.

Now I’m not saying don’t do it. What I am saying is don’t listen to these assholes. There are some really amazing things about being carnivore. But don’t do it blindly, or religiously.

 

[LevButlerov]

training /food log today:
View attachment 191397
bit of a rough one as my sleep last night wasn’t great, jus got to a point where Metallica was the only thing keeping me upright. melatonin coming in tomorrow and going to get some mirtazapene or lembroxant if that dosent work. felt pretty good, took all sets to maximal effort trying to strive for those 10 sec reps. will upload some vids in future.

Food today:
pretty simple, just had 2L milk, 12 eggs (drank them because I couldn’t be assed to cook) and a couple loin chops (my FAVOURITE)

Feeling quite good overall. hoping to get some accutane and gh soon which I’m very excited to be running. just going to micro dose the accutane probably 10-20mg three times a week as a preventative measure, will also get some NAC and tudca to keep the liver kicking. Still deciding where I want to sit with the gh. Bit itchy though, and quite irritable. @LevButlerov

Training needs drop sets and supersets work those in please @aquadux

the food, the whole day 2l milk and 12 eggs? and how many chops? can you throw tha tinto app?

dont use accutane it will kill your liver! not a joke even with nac tudca, just start using bodywash and anti acne soap

 

[toddthelineman]

going to run hgh in future, just quite expensive in AU, also dosent have the same effects as test that i want. hormone recovery isnt a huge concern for me as im pretty confident in proper pct protocols. thank you though mate it means a lot & i think its important that there are people like you out there trying to provide alternative options so people can be educated and not make uninformed decisions. but at the end of the day ive made up my mind, and deciding to do this has been a huge boost to my mental health, super excited for the future and whats to come. thanks mate

Pct is a hotly debated topic. You’ve already started your cycle. I’m curious about your planned pct protocol. I have never and will never run a pct unless something unforeseen and unfortunate happens. What will you do for pct?

 

[aquadux]

Pct is a hotly debated topic. You’ve already started your cycle. I’m curious about your planned pct protocol. I have never and will never run a pct unless something unforeseen and unfortunate happens. What will you do for pct?

as of right now im just going to run this cycle for as long as i can. i dont really have a problem with being on trt… the amount of effort that goes into pct and proper health optimisation to even have high levels in contemporary society is in no way equatable to a shot a day or a couple shots a week. planning to run this cycle and then cruise for a while on trt dose before trying some new compounds. if i don’t get good results from gear/bad sides then ill either just get prescribed trt or pct with the classic full compound clearance and nova/clomid. going to make an educated decision on that when i understand how gear works for me.

 

[Alice_In_Ironland]

Training needs drop sets and supersets work those in please @aquadux

the food, the whole day 2l milk and 12 eggs? and how many chops? can you throw tha tinto app?

dont use accutane it will kill your liver! not a joke even with nac tudca, just start using bodywash and anti acne soap

+ a topical retinol cream at night after showering

I think the very large intake of milk might contribute to acne too. The hormonal precursors in milk can increase oil production even further. You mentioned trying to avoid carbs, but you’re getting around 100g of simple carb (lactose) from 2L of milk.

 

[aquadux]

+ a topical retinol cream at night after showering

I think the very large intake of milk might contribute to acne too. The hormonal precursors in milk can increase oil production even further. You mentioned trying to avoid carbs, but you’re getting around 100g of simple carb (lactose) from 2L of milk.

i used to get heaps of hormonal acne from milk, i get all mine raw from a local farm now and ferment it if im feeling sensitive. i dont have active acne but would just like to microdose isotret as a precaution and for the obvious benefits of improved collagen production and elasticity. thanks for the reply will def look into some retinoids with my accutane order

 

[Alice_In_Ironland]

i used to get heaps of hormonal acne from milk, i get all mine raw from a local farm now and ferment it if im feeling sensitive. i dont have active acne but would just like to microdose isotret as a precaution and for the obvious benefits of improved collagen production and elasticity. thanks for the reply will def look into some retinoids with my accutane order

Good call to ferment it. The topical cream won’t affect your liver but will still help with collagen production as it’s anti-aging. Make sure you use SPF if you’re using either oral or topical.

 

[LevButlerov]

+ a topical retinol cream at night after showering

I think the very large intake of milk might contribute to acne too. The hormonal precursors in milk can increase oil production even further. You mentioned trying to avoid carbs, but you’re getting around 100g of simple carb (lactose) from 2L of milk.

Thats a perfect addition too @Alice_In_Ironland

 

[aquadux]

Good call to ferment it. The topical cream won’t affect your liver but will still help with collagen production as it’s anti-aging. Make sure you use SPF if you’re using either oral or topical.

yes will either use zinc oxide or was thinking about running mt2 as I’ve heard you can mitigate the photosensitivity with that and it’s also nice to be tanned.

 

[Alice_In_Ironland]

yes will either use zinc oxide or was thinking about running mt2 as I’ve heard you can mitigate the photosensitivity with that and it’s also nice to be tanned.

A mineral/ physical sunscreen will work just fine There are some face-specific ones that aren’t as thick, but they’re a little more pricey. Also if you do take oral accutane, make sure you take it alongside a meal that has 20-30g of fat. You’ll get better results that way since it’s fat soluble.

 

[aquadux]

A mineral/ physical sunscreen will work just fine There are some face-specific ones that aren’t as thick, but they’re a little more pricey. Also if you do take oral accutane, make sure you take it alongside a meal that has 20-30g of fat. You’ll get better results that way since it’s fat soluble.

yes have heard about the fat necessity. most of my meals are high fat anyway hahaha

 

[toddthelineman]

i used to get heaps of hormonal acne from milk, i get all mine raw from a local farm now and ferment it if im feeling sensitive. i dont have active acne but would just like to microdose isotret as a precaution and for the obvious benefits of improved collagen production and elasticity. thanks for the reply will def look into some retinoids with my accutane order

Dude I used accutane in microdoses and I had elevated liver enzymes for years! Even with milk thistle and TUDCA and NAC aaaaaand injected glutathione. It’s all in my log. I’m sorry, you have done a ton of internet research and you are not unintelligent but you need to listen to experienced people here. You’re about to learn some hard lessons the hard way. This is so incredibly common with the young guys who find their way here and it’s one of the biggest reasons why we generally draw a hard line and run you off. Because we don’t want to fan the flames of a dumpster fire. Listen to Lev! The dude is a wealth of real knowledge and experience and you are fortunate and rare that anyone here is even humoring you.

 

[aquadux]

Dude I used accutane in microdoses and I had elevated liver enzymes for years! Even with milk thistle and TUDCA and NAC aaaaaand injected glutathione. It’s all in my log. I’m sorry, you have done a ton of internet research and you are not unintelligent but you need to listen to experienced people here. You’re about to learn some hard lessons the hard way. This is so incredibly common with the young guys who find their way here and it’s one of the biggest reasons why we generally draw a hard line and run you off. Because we don’t want to fan the flames of a dumpster fire. Listen to Lev! The dude is a wealth of real knowledge and experience and you are fortunate and rare that anyone here is even humoring you.

yeah might have to reconsider the oral tret then. i might just try it with a liver stack and get my enzymes tested and if accutane doesn’t work well with me ill just get a topical.

 

[toddthelineman]

yeah might have to reconsider the oral tret then. i might just try it with a liver stack and get my enzymes tested and if accutane doesn’t work well with me ill just get a topical.

Well at least don’t just take it for no reason. Don’t take it because you saw some YouTuber talking about collagen and shit. It literally degrades your dna. Take it of you get persistent and damaging acne that is resistant to all other treatments. That’s what it’s for

 

[aquadux]

Training needs drop sets and supersets work those in please @aquadux

the food, the whole day 2l milk and 12 eggs? and how many chops? can you throw tha tinto app?

dont use accutane it will kill your liver! not a joke even with nac tudca, just start using bodywash and anti acne soap

shit sorry mate didn’t even see this hahah. Will add drop sets in next session and start super setting. I’ll start chucking food into the app. I’ll try topical tret as opposed to accutane

 

[Alice_In_Ironland]

shit sorry mate didn’t even see this hahah. Will add drop sets in next session and start super setting. I’ll start chucking food into the app. I’ll try topical tret as opposed to accutane

Good call. Like @toddthelineman said, use accutane as a last resort if you develop persistent acne that can’t be treated via topicals, antibiotics, etc. it’s hard on the liver.
Topical tret works really well for collagen and skin elasticity - and acne. Either a GP can prescribe it, or you can purchase off a site like all day chemist.

 

[Alice_In_Ironland]

will do next log coming early next week also was wondering if you had any books you reccomend on the topic of steroids as I saw you have a masters and I love to read

If you like reading & want to expand your knowledge base it’s always a good call to follow/ read other’s logs on here. You can also use other’s logs to help structure your own better to gain the most from the community here. Heck, you can even use my log layout/ structure as a base, I don’t mind
Regarding books, although not specific to steroids, I really enjoyed Scott Stevensons ‘be your own bodybuilding coach’. Very detailed text/ covers all areas & phases of the muscle gaining process.

 

[aquadux]

Good call. Like @toddthelineman said, use accutane as a last resort if you develop persistent acne that can’t be treated via topicals, antibiotics, etc. it’s hard on the liver.
Topical tret works really well for collagen and skin elasticity - and acne. Either a GP can prescribe it, or you can purchase off a site like all day chemist.

yep definetly going to give tret a go. thanks so much!

 

[aquadux]

If you like reading & want to expand your knowledge base it’s always a good call to follow/ read other’s logs on here. You can also use other’s logs to help structure your own better to gain the most from the community here. Heck, you can even use my log layout/ structure as a base, I don’t mind
Regarding books, although not specific to steroids, I really enjoyed Scott Stevensons ‘be your own bodybuilding coach’. Very detailed text/ covers all areas & phases of the muscle gaining process.

yes i have been reading all the logs i can. will check out the book, also have levs ebook to read. reading The Castle by Kafka atm

 

[LevButlerov]

shit sorry mate didn’t even see this hahah. Will add drop sets in next session and start super setting. I’ll start chucking food into the app. I’ll try topical tret as opposed to accutane

you dont need hgh for now if you doing test prop btw

 

[aquadux]

you dont need hgh for now if you doing test prop btw

hgh shall wait then

 

[LevButlerov]

hgh shall wait then

I'm waiting to see regular training diet supplements feeling updates

 

[aquadux]

I'm waiting to see regular training diet supplements feeling updates

will be making an update post after gym this afternoon. would like to be making one every 2 days ideally. thanks so much lev for helping me with formatting and the great advice

 

[LevButlerov]

will be making an update post after gym this afternoon. would like to be making one every 2 days ideally. thanks so much lev for helping me with formatting and the great advice

perfect
and I have thought of not helping due to your age being truthful with you but decided it's better to guide you then let you go on your own and make mistakes @aquadux

 

[aquadux]

perfect
and I have thought of not helping due to your age being truthful with you but decided it's better to guide you then let you go on your own and make mistakes @aquadux

very glad to hear that. dont want to end up in a more plates more dates worst cycles of all time review but truthfully its a bit more than that for me, its just nice to have a community of likeminded people especially on such a nuanced and debated topic, nice to fit in somewhere yk?

 

[toddthelineman]

yes i have been reading all the logs i can. will check out the book, also have levs ebook to read. reading The Castle by Kafka atm

Love Kafka. I swear he writes just for me. I read the Trial while I was going through a prolonged court case. Don’t do that

 

[aquadux]

Love Kafka. I swear he writes just for me. I read the Trial while I was going through a prolonged court case. Don’t do that

best example of absurdist literature ive ever seen. he manages to write a book that inherently makes no sense, but has so much detail and nuance within it that its absurdism is justified. the trial is awesome.