gyno treatment question

[tiny tim]

Hey gang,

First post after my intro about a week ago.As mentioned in said intro,I've had gyno since 2007 after just a small cycle of orals.

After much reading on this and other boards,I decided Raloxifene was my best bet at getting rid of it,or at least shrinking it.The protocol I went with is very simple,Ralox 60 mg/day for 60 days,then if there's not much progress,up it to 80 until gyno subsides.Can't get any easier than that.

Weird thing is,after being on the Ralox for about a week,nips started getting itchy/sensitive again,and headaches/dizziness,which were the symptoms both when I first turned into Gyno Boy,and when it flared up big time recently.

I should mention,gyno wasn't super duper mega big and bad all these years till recently,which I figured out was evidently due to resuming DHEA at high dosage.I thought DHEA would help with the gyno by raising test,so I tapered it from 50 mg/day up to 200.Left side,which was always much bigger,at least doubled in size in a matter of hours (no exaggeration,100% serious) and has stayed there since.Never heard of anything growing that quickly.Had headaches,dizziness,itchy sensitive nips while that was happening.

Did research on DHEA and found out that in many folks it converts to estrogen in men,and test in women,the opposite of what it's "supposed" to do.

Anyway,after that long winded nonsense is out of the way,my question now is,would it be wise to add Aromasin to the Ralox in hopes of more effectiveness and quicker results?I was thinking 25 mg/day.

BTW,I realize Ralox can take 4-6 weeks before seeing any results,and maybe even a year before really getting it controlled,it's only been 2 weeks that I've been on it.I thought perhaps reducing levels of estro with Aromasin in addition to blocking the estro receptors in my tig ol' bitties with Ralox could help.

I should add that I've read all the anti gyno protocols here,and tho they sound promising,I can't afford all those goodies,plus from what I've read about Letro,I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.

I'm convinced that Ralox is the almighty gyno killer.No offense meant to the many Letro followers which seems to be most everyone here,lol.I give much respect to everyones knowledge here,and maybe I'll change my tune if the Ralox doesn't start working for me in another 4 weeks

 

[gearhead]

bro you have your right to your own beliefs...all good...i have tried ralox and had a ton of brothers on evo be very disappointed with using it...poor anti gyno for advanced stages and medium stages of gyno...you are welcome to keep hitting it bro, but dont seem like its working...for almost 90% of gyno cases the only thing that will play well is the anti gyno protocol laid out here
http://www.evolutionary.org/anti-gynecomastia-cure-version-3

 

[LevButlerov]

The evolutionary anti-gyno protocol is the way to go, a PROVEN way to go. It works, as long as you follow it to the letter and complete it to the end. The problem is that many guys stop it the moment they feel better and see changes, but you must finish it completely for sustainable results. @gearhead has already posted the link to the exact layout of the protocol.

 

[stevesmi]

gyno is horrible. your best friend is aromasin from day 1 to not get it to begin with

 

[aggirl]

gyno is horrible. your best friend is aromasin from day 1 to not get it to begin with

This is true. Follow the link gearhead gave you. I would steer clear of cycling until you get it cleared up

 

[MikeSnow]

Letro + Nolva + proper chest exercises and dropping bodyfat

 

[tiny tim]

Appreciate all the replies,but like I mentioned,seems like everybody here are die hard Letro fans,and I don't want anything to do with it.

Hope I don't sound like a know it all or something,but even tho I have very little personal experience with gear,I do ENORMOUS amounts of research on everything to base decisions on,since I don't have the hands on experience.Plus with my job,that's about all I do is read 40 hours/week to kill the time,plus hours more every day in what I like to call "The Library" aka "The Royal Throne Room" if you catch my drift.

Guess the point is,I've read way too many experiences of people feeling horrible on letro because it eliminates estro completely,thereby causing more problems than it solves

Also seen studies where Ralox was tested side by side with Nolva and had over 90% success rate at shrinking gyno.Don't recall Nolvas number,but I think maybe around 70%,which is still impressive,but why not go with the winner.Almost everything I've seen on Ralox indicates no side effects,even at high doses for years,and most of what I've seen on Letro is horrendous sides.That's why I'm against it,I know it's effective for gyno

So please don't think I'm a dick,just making a decision based on many,many hours of research since I lack the actual experience.Guess I'm just an egghead at heart,only not nearly as smart as a typical egghead.OK,I probly AM a dick,but who cares

Anyhoo,think I'll try adding Aromasin to the Ralox and see what happens,maybe 25 mg/eod or even e3d.I don't have bloodwork to confirm,but I've always thought my estro has always been too high anyway,so it should do me some good even if it doesn't help the gyno

Almost forgot,just wondered if anyone had any thoughts about my insanely fast booby growth spurt I mentioned in the original post.Anybody ever heard of anything growing in hours,not days or weeks?That still blows my mind

 

[gearhead]

bro in hours? not possible....

 

[tiny tim]

That's what I would've thought too,if it didn't happen to me.

In hindsight I knew my estro was suddenly going thru the roof again,because of the weird headache/dizziness/itchy and sensitive nip.Went to bed and the strange headache and itchiness stayed with me all night,as it had for the previous 2 days.

When I got up the next morn and stood in front of the mirror to shave,I about crapped my pants when I saw it.Swear to God it was at least twice as big as when I went to bed 9 hours earlier.I always look at it very carefully every night before getting in bed,and every morn as soon as I get up,in hopes of a Christmas miracle for it to start getting a little smaller

After my initial freak out,and calming myself down so my heart wouldn't explode,lol,I tried to convince myself it must be water retention,since there's no possible way ANYTHING could grow that much that fast.But for weeks now,it's remained at the new,xxl size

I keep telling wifey at least now I don't hafta bother her anymore to play with her boobies,cause I can just feel myself up anytime.It's about the same size and shape of a snowcone cup now,looks like it could put somebody's eye out

 

[TheOldMan]

If you have gyno already you can really take something to get rid of it it'll have to be cut out, if you have symptoms then there are certain preventatives as well as wells of preventing it in the first place. But if you already have some nice mammary gland build up going on you need to see a good cosmetic surgeon. Dr Mordcai Blai if you're in/can get to the U.S.

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'Can't really'

 

[tiny tim]

In all my research there's no consensus on that.Some say it can't be reversed after it's set in,others say it can.Just like some say Letro's the only thing that can reverse it,others say Nolva,others say Ralox,and pretty much everyone on this board says the "Evo Gyno Cure" is the only thing that can possibly help

Also no consensus on whether different types can be cured,pubertal compared to roid induced,etc

When I first got it 8 years ago,seemed like almost everybody said surgery was the only solution.Since there's no way I could ever hope to afford it,plus all the horror stories of post surgery looking even worse than the gyno,I decided I just had to live with it for the rest of my life

I recently got interested in researching gear again after all these years and started coming across info on Ralox and other things that some say can reduce it.

 

[TheOldMan]

My own personal belief is based on the idea of, how can developed breast tissue be removed by means of taking any compound? By losing fat and reducing water weight of course they'll look less pronounced, to a point of course where they'll become more pronounced due to lack of any fat. But it's your money man and if you want to try different things that's up to you, me personally. I'd save the money and keep saving until I have enough for a plane ticket and gyno surgery in NY by Dr Blau.

 

[Bad Juju]

Appreciate all the replies,but like I mentioned,seems like everybody here are die hard Letro fans,and I don't want anything to do with it.

Hope I don't sound like a know it all or something,but even tho I have very little personal experience with gear,I do ENORMOUS amounts of research on everything to base decisions on,since I don't have the hands on experience.Plus with my job,that's about all I do is read 40 hours/week to kill the time,plus hours more every day in what I like to call "The Library" aka "The Royal Throne Room" if you catch my drift.

Guess the point is,I've read way too many experiences of people feeling horrible on letro because it eliminates estro completely,thereby causing more problems than it solves

Also seen studies where Ralox was tested side by side with Nolva and had over 90% success rate at shrinking gyno.Don't recall Nolvas number,but I think maybe around 70%,which is still impressive,but why not go with the winner.Almost everything I've seen on Ralox indicates no side effects,even at high doses for years,and most of what I've seen on Letro is horrendous sides.That's why I'm against it,I know it's effective for gyno

So please don't think I'm a dick,just making a decision based on many,many hours of research since I lack the actual experience.Guess I'm just an egghead at heart,only not nearly as smart as a typical egghead.OK,I probly AM a dick,but who cares

Anyhoo,think I'll try adding Aromasin to the Ralox and see what happens,maybe 25 mg/eod or even e3d.I don't have bloodwork to confirm,but I've always thought my estro has always been too high anyway,so it should do me some good even if it doesn't help the gyno

Almost forgot,just wondered if anyone had any thoughts about my insanely fast booby growth spurt I mentioned in the original post.Anybody ever heard of anything growing in hours,not days or weeks?That still blows my mind

Just to clarify this. Non of us here are letro fans at all. I hate the shit. But i fight gyno every cycle with heavy doses of aromasin and letro if needed. Why do i use letro? Because its the one thing i found that actually works. I tried Rolox to no avail. When you go down that road it'll go one of two ways. works or it doesn't. Its not about being a fan of anything its all about finding what works for you. And anybody here will attest that having to use any strong anti gyno substance are not a fan of either or substance.

 

[muskate]

Just to clarify this. Non of us here are letro fans at all. I hate the shit. But i fight gyno every cycle with heavy doses of aromasin and letro if needed. Why do i use letro? Because its the one thing i found that actually works. I tried Rolox to no avail. When you go down that road it'll go one of two ways. works or it doesn't. Its not about being a fan of anything its all about finding what works for you. And anybody here will attest that having to use any strong anti gyno substance are not a fan of either or substance.

I agree completely. Letro is an extremely harsh compound and should only be used as a last resort.

AI's in general are over used in my opinion. They should be incorporated in EVERY cycle but mega dosing them is not a good idea. Some estrogen is needed for normal muscle growth and sexual function.

As for gyno, your best option is the anti-gyno protocol 3.0: http://www.evolutionary.org/anti-gynecomastia-cure-version-3
Run the protocol exactly as it is laid out from start to finish. Do not stop the protocol prematurely even if your symptoms start to diminish.

If the protocol doesn't fix your gyno issue. Unfortunately you are going to need surgery. Get your doctor to write you a referral and then your insurance might cover the surgery, or at least part of it.

 

[LevButlerov]

I agree completely. Letro is an extremely harsh compound and should only be used as a last resort.

AI's in general are over used in my opinion. They should be incorporated in EVERY cycle but mega dosing them is not a good idea. Some estrogen is needed for normal muscle growth and sexual function.

As for gyno, your best option is the anti-gyno protocol 3.0: http://www.evolutionary.org/anti-gynecomastia-cure-version-3
Run the protocol exactly as it is laid out from start to finish. Do not stop the protocol prematurely even if your symptoms start to diminish.

If the protocol doesn't fix your gyno issue. Unfortunately you are going to need surgery. Get your doctor to write you a referral and then your insurance might cover the surgery, or at least part of it.

That's what I tell everyone - better try the non-invasive methods first, like this protocol, and only in the case nothing helps you should be considering surgery. In the end of the day, a surgery is a surgery, and it also has its risks and something can go wrong. So you should avoid it to the extent of the possible.

 

[hurricane]

basically what wpa said and steve also

the anti gyno treatment is the best shot at correcting it and start using aromasin from day 1.So you dont find yourself in these clusterfucks in the future

 

[Jrbdallas]

Hey gang,

First post after my intro about a week ago.As mentioned in said intro,I've had gyno since 2007 after just a small cycle of orals.

After much reading on this and other boards,I decided Raloxifene was my best bet at getting rid of it,or at least shrinking it.The protocol I went with is very simple,Ralox 60 mg/day for 60 days,then if there's not much progress,up it to 80 until gyno subsides.Can't get any easier than that.

Weird thing is,after being on the Ralox for about a week,nips started getting itchy/sensitive again,and headaches/dizziness,which were the symptoms both when I first turned into Gyno Boy,and when it flared up big time recently.

I should mention,gyno wasn't super duper mega big and bad all these years till recently,which I figured out was evidently due to resuming DHEA at high dosage.I thought DHEA would help with the gyno by raising test,so I tapered it from 50 mg/day up to 200.Left side,which was always much bigger,at least doubled in size in a matter of hours (no exaggeration,100% serious) and has stayed there since.Never heard of anything growing that quickly.Had headaches,dizziness,itchy sensitive nips while that was happening.

Did research on DHEA and found out that in many folks it converts to estrogen in men,and test in women,the opposite of what it's "supposed" to do.

Anyway,after that long winded nonsense is out of the way,my question now is,would it be wise to add Aromasin to the Ralox in hopes of more effectiveness and quicker results?I was thinking 25 mg/day.

BTW,I realize Ralox can take 4-6 weeks before seeing any results,and maybe even a year before really getting it controlled,it's only been 2 weeks that I've been on it.I thought perhaps reducing levels of estro with Aromasin in addition to blocking the estro receptors in my tig ol' bitties with Ralox could help.

I should add that I've read all the anti gyno protocols here,and tho they sound promising,I can't afford all those goodies,plus from what I've read about Letro,I wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole.

I'm convinced that Ralox is the almighty gyno killer.No offense meant to the many Letro followers which seems to be most everyone here,lol.I give much respect to everyones knowledge here,and maybe I'll change my tune if the Ralox doesn't start working for me in another 4 weeks

I personally love raloxafien mixed with letro myself. That's the only thing that knocked out my gyno. I've tried just letro and it didn't work. I've tried just raloxafien and no luck... together boom gone.

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