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Sarm's, used as a bridge & enhance oral cycles

gymrat827

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well with how popular sarms are getting i thought i write up a lil plan i will be embarking on in the next month or so.

Sarms are best used off other anabolics, pct and stand alone cycles they will shine. But you still can use them in conjuction with whatever anabolics you use.

Tes/tren tes/deca/d bol - all the way to a basic helladrol cycle. My fav and our androgenic sarm s4, i will use on the front end or before the cycle starts. 6wks @ 40-60mg..

The dryness & hardening are just great, fatloss would be the next best thing about it. If you are overweight or have a higher BF% than what you want when starting a cycle, a quick run of s4 should get you into "cycle shape". The strength gains are lower but being so androgenic you get all the other good stuff that comes along with it.

Next would come the oral or inj cycle. It doesnt matter what you use, or how long the cycle goes for. But these 6-16wks are just for the tes and other compounds. You should already be lean, slightly elevated strength, and have some new muslce from the S4 too.

This is really key for oral cycles. Is a sense, you will be on cycle for 14-18wks total. (4-6wks S4, 6-14wks AAS, 4-6wks osta).
And that is the key for guys who run orals.... you need to spend a long period of time "on" for good growth to occur, things dont happen overnight, or even in a month. The longer the better, as long you dont totally kill natty T production.....because eventually you will come off, and you need to be able to recover.

But as a layout...

1-5 S4
6-16 AAS
17-21 Osta/pct

1-4 S4
5-11 Helladrol @ 100mg
12-16 osta/LGD while in pct (pick one, not a stack)

the 16wks of anabolic "help" from sarms and helladrol will make your oral/sarm cycle essentially like a 12wk cycle of 500mg of tes. The key thing i am stressing is time on cycle.

Short 4wk oral runs are good, will produce gains, but nothing like the 2nd layout above. As mentioned already, the length of time will really have huge effects on body composition. Using S4 and osta along with helladrol, epi strong, DMZ, SD, shoot any other PH out there will supercharge its effect. And for guys who already use inj's, Sarms can be a great bridge to help you holdout til the next big run.

Osta can be ran up to 12wks, taking a natural tes booster while on it or a small dose of a serm will keep FSH/LH production going and prime you for the next tes/tren/gh/slin cycle.

I think most guys can better utilize sarms to keep them growing constantly. Even the vet's, who most likely do not know too much about them can take advantage of how great they really are.

Jus remember to always shake them up... just like any other oral in liquid.
 
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i am doing a 14wk "kill the gyno cycle"


6wks of s4 @ 60mg
14wks of 200 Tes E & 600 Mast, w/ 45mg Ralox ED & .25mg caber 3x a wk
6wk pct of nolva @ 40mg, hcgenerate, DAA, forma stanzol & 20mg osta.

All sarms will be from the new guys in town... Sarms1
 
Sweet layout bro. I'm very new to the world of sarms but look forward to trying them out. I'm excited to try out this new sarms1.com company. If Dylan says they are potent then this is the place I will be using for sure.
 
That is awesome man. I'm looking to do a triple stack during my cruises between blasts of Ostarine/S4/GW to keep the gains coming and to recomp before my next blast.

Looks bad ass. Looking forward to your future updates!
 
Should be a potent stack with the new sarms1 products

I wonder if the s4 sides come on faster or at lower dosages with the quality being so pure... Dylan?
 
Interesting, good ideas and I like the layout. And the fact that you're using Sarms1 will certainly help!
 
Should be a potent stack with the new sarms1 products

I wonder if the s4 sides come on faster or at lower dosages with the quality being so pure... Dylan?

you definitely want to follow my s4 dosing protocol because it is very strong... its a delicate scheme and you have to be moderate with the s4 because of the strength... It kicks in quickly...
 
you definitely want to follow my s4 dosing protocol because it is very strong... its a delicate scheme and you have to be moderate with the s4 because of the strength... It kicks in quickly...

That's crazy, and pretty exciting. A bottle of s4 may actually last longer this way
 
just hope to shed some light on how you can really make a oral/sarm cycle kick ass. The gains that can be had are much more than most guys realize.


im doin a gh/GHRP2/LR3/slin thing still for another 6wks most likely, but this cycle may start before that....lol

i really want to get it going but i have to finish what i have already
 
just hope to shed some light on how you can really make a oral/sarm cycle kick ass. The gains that can be had are much more than most guys realize.


im doin a gh/GHRP2/LR3/slin thing still for another 6wks most likely, but this cycle may start before that....lol

i really want to get it going but i have to finish what i have already

You know i'm doin the same thing minus the lr3 along with some gear. I'm gonna be throwing in some sarms from sarms1 along with all of that as well and see where it can take me. I don't really come off anymore, just lower doses and cruise and then blast. Trying to stay on gh long term too.
 
you definitely want to follow my s4 dosing protocol because it is very strong... its a delicate scheme and you have to be moderate with the s4 because of the strength... It kicks in quickly...

would you be so kind to post it in this thread for newer guys......and me..lol

Curious on how much longer a bottle of sarmS1 will last compared to X brand.
 
would you be so kind to post it in this thread for newer guys......and me..lol

Curious on how much longer a bottle of sarmS1 will last compared to X brand.

Absolutely bro... Here it is...

Okay everyone... I wanted to write this up to make sure that everyone knows how to properly dose S4... As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light... Normally the adjustment period is very quick but can effect some much worse than others. Basically, s4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTAND that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen... 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some people get the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to get up to 100 mg a day with very minimal problems... There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try... The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on s4 is very short (around 4-6 hours) Some people are forced to go to dosing s4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they cannot handle the vision issue... I try to do everything I possibly can to avoid this because I do not want to miss any days of usage...


So, it is important to understand how to dose s4 properly. Some people are content at staying at 50 mg for an entire 8 week cycle. Others, want to increase the dosage but there is a very specific protocol to follow to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum...


I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down... This is the danger zone... Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because the fcker is still dangerous...


This is the same with S4... You must go 2 weeks at 50 mg... If you get through the 2 weeks with minimal to no vision issues then you past the danger zone... You are safe then to increase your dosage but must proceed with caution... After two weeks you can bump to 60 mg... Now you are testing the waters... You must now stay on 60 mg between 10-14 days... I would say 12 is the safest bet... Then it is okay to increase again to 70 mg if you are able to... I feel like between 70 and 80 mg is the sweet spot however there is benefit up to 100 mg... You should continue to follow protocol of 10-14 days on each 10 mg incremental increase... By following this protocol, you could get up to 100 mg for at least the last week... You should NEVER GO ANY HIGHER THAN 100 mg... As I mentioned, the sweet spot is between 70-80 mg... Every increase needs to be with extreme caution and if the vision issues begin, you know where your boundary is... Some of us are luckier than others in terms of receptor binding... DO NOT BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage... Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing s4.


If anyone has any questions, feel free to post them here or send me a pm... I am always here to help!


I hope this helps you all. This is my personal method and I promise you that it is the safest and most effective way to dose s4...
 
I cant wait to get n this for Post cycle. Going to be amazing!
 
Absolutely bro... Here it is...

Okay everyone... I wanted to write this up to make sure that everyone knows how to properly dose S4... As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light... Normally the adjustment period is very quick but can effect some much worse than others. Basically, s4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTAND that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen... 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some people get the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to get up to 100 mg a day with very minimal problems... There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try... The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on s4 is very short (around 4-6 hours) Some people are forced to go to dosing s4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they cannot handle the vision issue... I try to do everything I possibly can to avoid this because I do not want to miss any days of usage...


So, it is important to understand how to dose s4 properly. Some people are content at staying at 50 mg for an entire 8 week cycle. Others, want to increase the dosage but there is a very specific protocol to follow to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum...


I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down... This is the danger zone... Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because the fcker is still dangerous...


This is the same with S4... You must go 2 weeks at 50 mg... If you get through the 2 weeks with minimal to no vision issues then you past the danger zone... You are safe then to increase your dosage but must proceed with caution... After two weeks you can bump to 60 mg... Now you are testing the waters... You must now stay on 60 mg between 10-14 days... I would say 12 is the safest bet... Then it is okay to increase again to 70 mg if you are able to... I feel like between 70 and 80 mg is the sweet spot however there is benefit up to 100 mg... You should continue to follow protocol of 10-14 days on each 10 mg incremental increase... By following this protocol, you could get up to 100 mg for at least the last week... You should NEVER GO ANY HIGHER THAN 100 mg... As I mentioned, the sweet spot is between 70-80 mg... Every increase needs to be with extreme caution and if the vision issues begin, you know where your boundary is... Some of us are luckier than others in terms of receptor binding... DO NOT BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage... Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing s4.


If anyone has any questions, feel free to post them here or send me a pm... I am always here to help!


I hope this helps you all. This is my personal method and I promise you that it is the safest and most effective way to dose s4...

love the tyson analogy....lol
 
love the tyson analogy....lol

I figured that one would be appreciated by everyone who knew THE GREATEST GAME EVER CREATED! :D

S4 dosing is very touchy and needs to be handled delicately... You really want to be able to avoid having to go 5 on and 2 off... The half life is very short and utilizing every day with it is very important...
 
Question

I know that Osta has little suppression if any when dosed at the right amount.. and my dilemma with long cycles is the length of time you need to be off to recover.. So in between these times when one is "off" can you cycle Osta/GW as a stack in between till you have given your body the proper time to recover without jeopardizing lipids and other blood values? The reason being is I don't cruise, so I'm looking at 2 cycles a year, but between I don't want to loose gains and want to continue to be "on".

Im sure S4 would be out of the question in this scenario because there is more suppression... But what about Osta?

Example:

16 weeks on a cycle and PCT
16 weeks off- Can I do anything is this time frame with SARMS
Between Stage Till Next run/What can I do in this time frame

If I can remember correctly Osta can be ran for 8 weeks and then at least a 4 week break and then back on again correct? Just looking for some different ideas.. Thanks fellas
 
Question

I know that Osta has little suppression if any when dosed at the right amount.. and my dilemma with long cycles is the length of time you need to be off to recover.. So in between these times when one is "off" can you cycle Osta/GW as a stack in between till you have given your body the proper time to recover without jeopardizing lipids and other blood values? The reason being is I don't cruise, so I'm looking at 2 cycles a year, but between I don't want to loose gains and want to continue to be "on".

Im sure S4 would be out of the question in this scenario because there is more suppression... But what about Osta?

Example:

16 weeks on a cycle and PCT
16 weeks off- Can I do anything is this time frame with SARMS
Between Stage Till Next run/What can I do in this time frame

If I can remember correctly Osta can be ran for 8 weeks and then at least a 4 week break and then back on again correct? Just looking for some different ideas.. Thanks fellas

bro, you need to read more of my articles... the main function of sarms is to use them as a bridge in between cycles... that is where they shine... they are BEST utilized to run in between cycles to help not only keep gains but add to them... they are completely safe to run in between and are not going to hurt any of your values as long as they are ran correctly... you can run osta and gw up to 12 weeks, not 8... s4 comes with the most possibility of suppression but that's why I have set up the stacks the way I have with hcgenerate on cycle to keep this to a minimum...

start here and read up!!

http://www.evolutionary.org/bridging-with-sarms
 
bro, you need to read more of my articles... the main function of sarms is to use them as a bridge in between cycles... that is where they shine... they are BEST utilized to run in between cycles to help not only keep gains but add to them... they are completely safe to run in between and are not going to hurt any of your values as long as they are ran correctly... you can run osta and gw up to 12 weeks, not 8... s4 comes with the most possibility of suppression but that's why I have set up the stacks the way I have with hcgenerate on cycle to keep this to a minimum...

start here and read up!!

http://www.evolutionary.org/bridging-with-sarms

Thanks bro... that was helpfull. I guess I didnt fully understand timing and protocol while bridging. im learning.. :)
 
Thanks bro... that was helpfull. I guess I didnt fully understand timing and protocol while bridging. im learning.. :)

i have many articles up that should give you all the answers your looking for bro... i made sure to write them very thorough so everyone always had a reference... if you still have questions after that, let me know...
 
So im gonna be running this layout in a few days when my s-4 arrives feom sarms1. Ive always put my sarms into 000 gel caps because i cant stand the taste of them. My question is does capping them effect the effectiveness of the compound? Ive never had a any issues but was just curious.
 
Just swallow that shit dogg...
 
So im gonna be running this layout in a few days when my s-4 arrives feom sarms1. Ive always put my sarms into 000 gel caps because i cant stand the taste of them. My question is does capping them effect the effectiveness of the compound? Ive never had a any issues but was just curious.

bro, don't do that... that's ridiculous... just take it straight down... there is no need for that... if you need a chaser or something then just do that... don't do anything that could compromise the effect in any way...
 
Thanks for the replys ill try just chasing it. But like i said ive never had any issues capping them just a little extra work.
 
Its too much extra work...
 
So im gonna be running this layout in a few days when my s-4 arrives feom sarms1. Ive always put my sarms into 000 gel caps because i cant stand the taste of them. My question is does capping them effect the effectiveness of the compound? Ive never had a any issues but was just curious.

lol thats a bit extreme. i never thought they tasted that bad.
 
Thanks for the replys ill try just chasing it. But like i said ive never had any issues capping them just a little extra work.

I've found that it works best if you drop the sarms underneath your tongue, and then drink some water. If you do it right, you can really mitigate the nasty flavor that comes with the sarm
 
I've found that it works best if you drop the sarms underneath your tongue, and then drink some water. If you do it right, you can really mitigate the nasty flavor that comes with the sarm

ive done lots of testing and never found a way around the baller ass taste.....wow, thinking of it makes me sick

but the results are worth it. and theres no pins...
 
ive done lots of testing and never found a way around the baller ass taste.....wow, thinking of it makes me sick

but the results are worth it. and theres no pins...

Seriously though, that's the only way to do it. Otherwise I get this chemical burn type feeling on my tongue that I can taste and feel until a few hours after waking up.
 
lol i find these taste issues posts funny.Seems alot of people cant handle it.I dont think it tastes that bad at all.Capping the stuff? common, man up and swallow it! lol
 
lol i find these taste issues posts funny.Seems alot of people cant handle it.I dont think it tastes that bad at all.Capping the stuff? common, man up and swallow it! lol

you have no idea how many posts/threads i see where guys are JUST looking for CAPS ONLY......lol
 
you have no idea how many posts/threads i see where guys are JUST looking for CAPS ONLY......lol

i see them all over to buddy and i dont get wanting to waste that much time for such a minor problem.Maybe my taste buds are shot? lol
 
anyone running a sarm than PH than another sarm into pct??

anyone of us Sarms1 guys will be able to design the cycle and supports/supps. Feel free to post, pm, email, whatever. were here for ya
 
I've found that it works best if you drop the sarms underneath your tongue, and then drink some water. If you do it right, you can really mitigate the nasty flavor that comes with the sarm

Or you can just stop being a pussy and down it like a man...... :p :D
 
lol i find these taste issues posts funny.Seems alot of people cant handle it.I dont think it tastes that bad at all.Capping the stuff? common, man up and swallow it! lol

You need to give motivational speeches to women and make you're slogan "Come on, man, up and swallow it!"

You'd be doing mankind a great service. :D
 
anyone running a sarm than PH than another sarm into pct??

anyone of us Sarms1 guys will be able to design the cycle and supports/supps. Feel free to post, pm, email, whatever. were here for ya

Once I get settled down here a bit I might give that style of cycle a shot and log it, I'll keep you posted.

And yep us Sarms1 reps are always here to help, just give any of us a shout.
 
with the new GK line out i think this thread has its place.

a few guys are running a sarm or sarm stack for 6wks or so.....right into one of the new GK ph's for 4wks...

Anyway you can copy or essentially stay on cycle for 10wks is when the big gains are going to happen.

as a layout

LGD + S4 1-6

Dianabulk 7-11 or 6-10

pct-

HCGenerate
Unleashed & Post cycle
Liquidex
Nolva or clomid

for anyone new or newer to this scene, this will make a great run and allow for the gains to stay put
 
with the new GK line out i think this thread has its place.

a few guys are running a sarm or sarm stack for 6wks or so.....right into one of the new GK ph's for 4wks...

Anyway you can copy or essentially stay on cycle for 10wks is when the big gains are going to happen.

as a layout

LGD + S4 1-6

Dianabulk 7-11 or 6-10

pct-

HCGenerate
Unleashed & Post cycle
Liquidex
Nolva or clomid

for anyone new or newer to this scene, this will make a great run and allow for the gains to stay put

Great post GR.. there are alot of guys running the triple stack or any of the sarms... and rolling into any of the GK PHs is really going to solidify and enhance gains made BIG time.

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osta should be in the pct of every cycle and gw should be in every cycle.2 products that no matter WHAT your cycle consists of, should be there..
 
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