Stack with Test E, Primo Depot, Tren E running nov during cycle

[Odoylerules]

I'm wanting to stack Test E 200mg, Primo 100mg, and Tren E 200mg and going to run nova during cycle to help with anti-estrogen. Here's my plan and btw I already have the products so please don't say I need to run something different. I'm happy to put something on the shelf for my next cycle if that comes up. I'm 6"1 205 body fat - 10% maybe more maybe less. I'm pretty lean.

Here's my plan:

Per week
Tren e - 200mg
Test e - 400mg
Primo - 100mg

Monday:
Test E 200mg - 1ml
Primo 50mg - .5ml

Wed:
Tren E 200 mg - 1ml

Fri:
Test E 200mg - 1ml


The question is how much nova do I run? Do I need HCG? Should I up my dose? Is there a way to do only 2 shots per week? Upping my dose I know I'd have to be at 3... Thank you very much.

 

[nvr2lt]

Can I ask how many cycles you have run, age, history of exercise?


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[Odoylerules]

Can I ask how many cycles you have run, age, history of exercise?


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3 Cycles in the past. I'm 36, i've worked out all my life. Former wrestler and football. I also play adult league ice hockey. I'm fit.

 

[muskate]

If you take some time to do some research on HCG, you will find that it does more harm then good. Read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

HCG will increase LH and FSH, yes, but it will also increase estrogen levels and it's suppressive of natural testosterone production. The problem with HCG is that when you stop using it, your natural testosterone production is suppressed and you get an estrogen rebound to boot. That is why so many users experience gyno after HCG use.

I personally would use a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate from n2bm.com. You will get the same LH and FSH increase, with no natural testosterone suppression or estrogen rebound.

You want to use an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range, NOT nolvadex. Aromasin at 10mg EOD is a good dosage.

You also need an anti-prolactin drug like cabergoline because tren is a nandrolone and will raise prolactin levels in the body. 0.5mg E3D is a good dosage.
You can order the aromasin and cabergoline from ag-guys.com.

Look into cardarine GW as well. It isn't essential but it is a great addition to any tren cycle to increase fat loss and reduce side effects -> http://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine/

 

[LevButlerov]

You should never use nolvadex together with nandrolone based steroids (deca, tren, NPP), since those will increase prolactin levels, and nolvadex will increase prolactin receptors. Therefore, by using trenbolone together with nolvadex you would be looking for prolactin related trouble, and there is nothing funny about it. Besides, while nolvadex does have anti-estrogen properties, these are not strong enough to control estrogen levels on cycle. This is the reason you should be using an AI on cycle for that, being aromasin the best choice. 10 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle is a good starting dosage. Also, you will need to take some cabergoline in order to control prolactin levels.

GW Cardarine has a time proven ability to reduce many of trenbolone's side effects, without adding any side effects of its own. Therefore, Cardarine will give a good cycle quality improvement without any burdains, so it is surely a good addition. Take a read here - http://www.evolutionary.org/combating-the-cardiovascular-side-effects-of-trenbolone-with-gw-501516/

 

[stevesmi]

I know you don't want to hear it but nolva is a SERM, not an AI

 

[Jay Scott]

You should never use nolvadex together with nandrolone based steroids (deca, tren, NPP), since those will increase prolactin levels, and nolvadex will increase prolactin receptors. Therefore, by using trenbolone together with nolvadex you would be looking for prolactin related trouble, and there is nothing funny about it. Besides, while nolvadex does have anti-estrogen properties, these are not strong enough to control estrogen levels on cycle. This is the reason you should be using an AI on cycle for that, being aromasin the best choice. 10 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle is a good starting dosage. Also, you will need to take some cabergoline in order to control prolactin levels.

GW Cardarine has a time proven ability to reduce many of trenbolone's side effects, without adding any side effects of its own. Therefore, Cardarine will give a good cycle quality improvement without any burdains, so it is surely a good addition. Take a read here - http://www.evolutionary.org/combating-the-cardiovascular-side-effects-of-trenbolone-with-gw-501516/

Actually not too many people know this.

Even some recommend taking nolva out of PCT if the cycle was with tren or deca

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I agree with a few of the comments above. If you are going to run tren, stay away from nolva, especially on cycle.

 

[Odoylerules]

Ok Ordering now from ag-guys
So I will need 3 things... aromasin eod, cabergoline, and the gw cardarine


So my pct will not include nolvadex. So what will I need for my pct. thank you all so much for the words of wisdom!


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[Odoylerules]

Ok so I was waiting for my order from Roid mass and waiting and waiting so decided to get some test cyp 200mg. 2 shots / week at 1.25 mg. I've noticed my nips been sore and a bit swollen. Now I'm afraid I'm developing a mild case of Gyno. I ordered Liguiaromas and LiquiDostnx for the tren stack. Can I take one of those or do I need to get something else? I'm in panic mode as I've read some horror stories.

 

[LevButlerov]

Liquiaromas would be a good thing to use in your situation. Also, I wanted to point out that in spite of the fact that you should not be using nolvadex in cycle with trenbolone or deca, you should be using it in a PCT. After all, once you start the PCT, the active compounds are supposed to be out of your system, and you will be able to use nolvadex safely during the PCT. It is quite important, since nolvadex is a very good addition to a PCT protocol.

And don't panick that much about the possible gyno - it is reversible if it is just appearing, and most probably your fears are making it all up.

 

[Odoylerules]

Liquiaromas would be a good thing to use in your situation. Also, I wanted to point out that in spite of the fact that you should not be using nolvadex in cycle with trenbolone or deca, you should be using it in a PCT. After all, once you start the PCT, the active compounds are supposed to be out of your system, and you will be able to use nolvadex safely during the PCT. It is quite important, since nolvadex is a very good addition to a PCT protocol.

And don't panick that much about the possible gyno - it is reversible if it is just appearing, and most probably your fears are making it all up.

Ok so how much do I use and best way to take that stuff it's nasty.

 

[Odoylerules]

Also how much and how often should I take it? I was thinking 10mgs. Do I take every day?

 

[stevesmi]

bud you needed to start your aromasin from day 1

when you inject that test it immediately starts aromatizing into estrogen, you are not supposed to wait till you start having problems.

 

[Odoylerules]

bud you needed to start your aromasin from day 1

when you inject that test it immediately starts aromatizing into estrogen, you are not supposed to wait till you start having problems.

Got it. In the past I have had no issues, but for some reason with test cyp 200 I am this time around. Also since compared to others what I'm doing really isn't that hardcore. I always believe less is more and have had friends take cyp with no issues or no use of an AI. The dosage i'm at is close to TRT. I'm here now so I just gotta figure out what the best solution is.

Should I go off cycle? Also if you have any solutions for me I'm all ears.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Don't panic. I doubt you are in that bad of a situation after only 2 shots of test. Just start your aromasin as soon as you get it. 10mg EOD will be a good dose.

 

[Odoylerules]

Don't panic. I doubt you are in that bad of a situation after only 2 shots of test. Just start your aromasin as soon as you get it. 10mg EOD will be a good dose.

Ok sorry for not stating everything. What I said was I'm doing 2 shots per week of test cyp 200. 1.25 ml each shot. I've used an entire vial up and started on another.

 

[muskate]

Got it. In the past I have had no issues, but for some reason with test cyp 200 I am this time around. Also since compared to others what I'm doing really isn't that hardcore. I always believe less is more and have had friends take cyp with no issues or no use of an AI. The dosage i'm at is close to TRT. I'm here now so I just gotta figure out what the best solution is.

Should I go off cycle? Also if you have any solutions for me I'm all ears.

Test cyp has a detection time of around 30 days so even if you stopped your injections now, it would still be in your blood stream in large quantities for a month. Just keep doing your test cyp as normal and add in the AI as soon as you receive it in the mail.

 

[Odoylerules]

Test cyp has a detection time of around 30 days so even if you stopped your injections now, it would still be in your blood stream in large quantities for a month. Just keep doing your test cyp as normal and add in the AI as soon as you receive it in the mail.

I have it now. I took it. Question do I take it everyday?

 

[Jay Scott]

Ok so I was waiting for my order from Roid mass and waiting and waiting so decided to get some test cyp 200mg. 2 shots / week at 1.25 mg. I've noticed my nips been sore and a bit swollen. Now I'm afraid I'm developing a mild case of Gyno. I ordered Liguiaromas and LiquiDostnx for the tren stack. Can I take one of those or do I need to get something else? I'm in panic mode as I've read some horror stories.

Sounds like you just started your cycle and there is a low chance that gyno is developing that fast. Even if it is so - then its due to test and you need to run aromasin

 

[Odoylerules]

Sounds like you just started your cycle and there is a low chance that gyno is developing that fast. Even if it is so - then its due to test and you need to run aromasin

Ok so I've been taking the liquid aromas from ag guys... 6mgs every day. I bought empty pills which are vegetable based and fill them each time I take my dose. To drop the liquid in your mouth is horrible and the first time I did it I almost puked.

Anyway, tonight I noticed itching around my nips and maybe a drop of oil out of my left nip. What do I do guys?!!??

 

[Jay Scott]

Ok so I've been taking the liquid aromas from ag guys... 6mgs every day. I bought empty pills which are vegetable based and fill them each time I take my dose. To drop the liquid in your mouth is horrible and the first time I did it I almost puked.

Anyway, tonight I noticed itching around my nips and maybe a drop of oil out of my left nip. What do I do guys?!!??

Increase the dosage!

But I would first do a blood check up to see your estrogen levels. Liquid aromasin from ag-guys is very strong, it managed to kill off my estrogen pretty quick

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok so I've been taking the liquid aromas from ag guys... 6mgs every day. I bought empty pills which are vegetable based and fill them each time I take my dose. To drop the liquid in your mouth is horrible and the first time I did it I almost puked.

Anyway, tonight I noticed itching around my nips and maybe a drop of oil out of my left nip. What do I do guys?!!??

There are two things that you need to do first:

1. Don't panic! Be cool - gyno is reversible, so there is no need to stress so much.

2. My personal recommendation would be to do a blood work in order to see the levels of prolactin and estrogen, and then adjust your cabergoline and aromasin dosages accordingly. Without a blood work you would be making assumptions, and it is not good to do so when making decisions.

 

[stevesmi]

run blood work if you are not sure. a lot of guys cannot handle aromatization

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Blood work is necessary here. Everyone responds to compounds differently. When I am on cycle with aromatizing compounds I do well with 12.5mg EOD of aromasin. I have a friend who on the same type of cycle will need 25mg ED of aromasin. We are all different.

 

[muskate]

Ok so I've been taking the liquid aromas from ag guys... 6mgs every day. I bought empty pills which are vegetable based and fill them each time I take my dose. To drop the liquid in your mouth is horrible and the first time I did it I almost puked.

Anyway, tonight I noticed itching around my nips and maybe a drop of oil out of my left nip. What do I do guys?!!??

It sounds to me like your aromasin dosage isn't high enough. You need to get blood work done to know for sure but I would bump up your dosage to around 9mg every day.