Getting prepared for first cycle... need some help

[Bigboost]

Hello everyone,

I've been researching for about a year now, and finally have some extra so I made an order on RM (thank you guys for the great sources). I want to have everything I need in place for the cycle before I start, including my diet and body (I'm under supervision of a trainer right now that is all natural other than protein shakes, and he's known me for awhile so he will know when I hit my natural plateau and he knows my intentions of running a cycle).

I'm wanting to do a short cycle, I'm not looking for massive gains, or a ridiculously cut appearance right now, just a moderate boost in strength and dropping a few more pounds of fat.

So far I got coming:
Test p 100mg/1ml 10ml x2 vials
Tren a 75mg/1ml 10ml x2 vials
Clomid 25mgx50 caps x2 packs

I'll be ordering some liquid Aroma, Caber and Nolva as well as some Cardarine.
I looked at the perfect pct sticky and will try to adhere to that.

My plan was to do 6 weeks test p/tren a MWF cycle 75mg of both (so 1.75ml injections) but this is where I'd rather yield to wisdom of the more experienced and would like advice on how best to set it up.

Thank You,
-Bigboost

P.s. I will be getting blood work done soon and I'll be getting some base measurements then as well, which I will post when I can.

 

[maximumeffort]

Why would you do tren first cycle? Test prop is okay but test e would probably be better so you can run it for 10-12 weeks and only inject twice a week


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[Bigboost]

I don't see any reason not to? I don't want to do a long cycle, and the dosing isn't high, for a short cycle I don't think anything else would have been as beneficial.

I'm ok with pinning, being doing subcutaneous injections twice a day with some frag 176-191 (with doubtful results, but no side effects so it may have been legit just mildly dosed). I got 23g 1.5" and 25g 1" pins on hand, as far as injecting goes what would be a good rotation of muscles that will have no problem with just under 2ml?

Before I was doing delts or the big head of the tris, But that was with someone else pinning so not sure I can hold the syringe in a good way for that.

 

[maximumeffort]

Glutes bro less nerves again why would you run two compounds no one will think running tren first cycle is a good idea. You dont know how your body will react to test alone. More is not better in this case


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[Bigboost]

Actually I ran a test c cycle years ago, but I didn't bother to mention it because it seemed inconsequential. Made good gains for the amount (250mg a week), but really didn't know what I was doing back then as far as AAS goes, it was my gym buddy at the time giving me injections.

 

[sisir012]

Dont use tren you already know it is a very harsh compound simple test e with AI or may be you can add some oral

 

[Bigboost]

Yes, I'm aware but was prepared to deal with it mentally. Physiologically if I do what is typical protocol for a tren a cycle that works for others, then only whether or not I'm 'compatible' with tren would come into question, no? Or does it change after you get to a certain threshold.

I'm willing to shelf it for now and pick up some mast p and run that with my test p, but for the duration of the cycle I want to run (6 weeks) will I get the same benefits?

 

[stevesmi]

the reason guys say to not use tren is because it is your first time.. i would save the tren for later on once you gain more experience. it is like taking a girl out to a $500 restaurant on a first date.. where do you go from there?

tren is very powerful but the gains are also very hard to keep.. so rather than stacking in tren just run the test by itself and get a nice cycle done.

also clomid is fine for pct, but you need more stuff with it. at the very least grab some hcgenerate, you will be glad you did.. clomid is very nasty used solo just read all the horror stories. check out the perfect pct and improve that pct man!

 

[Bigboost]

Yeah, I read through the sticky on perfect pct and I understand it fully. I'm still ordering everything, I'm still undecided if I'm going to shelf the tren as I don't think the dose is large and it would synergize well with what I was planning to do (lean bulk). If I do however and just do a test cycle, I got two vials of propionate, what can I expect out of 6 weeks of test say 100mg EOD VS running 75mg of test/tren EOD?

I'll plan on taking an AI with either and the PCT would be pretty much the same except the caber throughout cycle and (caber taper down on PCT with tren?) would be the only thing I could really think would be different.

 

[THEALPHA14]

Yeah, I read through the sticky on perfect pct and I understand it fully. I'm still ordering everything, I'm still undecided if I'm going to shelf the tren as I don't think the dose is large and it would synergize well with what I was planning to do (lean bulk). If I do however and just do a test cycle, I got two vials of propionate, what can I expect out of 6 weeks of test say 100mg EOD VS running 75mg of test/tren EOD?

I'll plan on taking an AI with either and the PCT would be pretty much the same except the caber throughout cycle and (caber taper down on PCT with tren?) would be the only thing I could really think would be different.

Why not switch tren with deca instead and as an end result the water will flushed away later on which u gained while in the cycle.

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[THEALPHA14]

the reason guys say to not use tren is because it is your first time.. i would save the tren for later on once you gain more experience. it is like taking a girl out to a $500 restaurant on a first date.. where do you go from there?

tren is very powerful but the gains are also very hard to keep.. so rather than stacking in tren just run the test by itself and get a nice cycle done.

also clomid is fine for pct, but you need more stuff with it. at the very least grab some hcgenerate, you will be glad you did.. clomid is very nasty used solo just read all the horror stories. check out the perfect pct and improve that pct man!

So basically its hard to keep tren gains even if I train and eat consistently after I come off?

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[Bigboost]

Tren and deca are both 19nor's but deca aromatizes where as tren doesn't, the only thing that I really can see different between trenbolone and DHT based compounds is the progesterone/prolactin build up that has to be kept in check.

 

[Robthomas]

Why not switch tren with deca instead and as an end result the water will flushed away later on which u gained while in the cycle.

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Thealfa said it right bro my first cycle I ran test deca and the gains were super dry and not wet because I didn't get crazy with the doses. I high recommend test deca gives you a great look if you run it not to high the gains are dry
Test at 400 deca at 400 with proviron to free the test up and keep the sex drive strong and run aromasin and caber

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah, I read through the sticky on perfect pct and I understand it fully. I'm still ordering everything, I'm still undecided if I'm going to shelf the tren as I don't think the dose is large and it would synergize well with what I was planning to do (lean bulk). If I do however and just do a test cycle, I got two vials of propionate, what can I expect out of 6 weeks of test say 100mg EOD VS running 75mg of test/tren EOD?

I'll plan on taking an AI with either and the PCT would be pretty much the same except the caber throughout cycle and (caber taper down on PCT with tren?) would be the only thing I could really think would be different.

Well, trenbolone is 5 times as potent as testosterone, so you don't really need much of it in order to get quite prominent results, so if you end up using like 300 mgs per week, this will be plenty.

 

[Bigboost]

My plan was 225mg of tren per week with a matching amount of test p

I ordered from RM so the tren is 75mg/1ml and the test p is 100mg/1ml, so I was planning to load both into the same syringe for a total of 1.75ml of oil. Keep it Monday/Wednesday/Friday (I know blood serum level will drop on Sunday but is it that substantial?) and rotate between four injection sites. 6 week cycle then PCT for at least 6 weeks

 

[muskate]

My plan was 225mg of tren per week with a matching amount of test p

I ordered from RM so the tren is 75mg/1ml and the test p is 100mg/1ml, so I was planning to load both into the same syringe for a total of 1.75ml of oil. Keep it Monday/Wednesday/Friday (I know blood serum level will drop on Sunday but is it that substantial?) and rotate between four injection sites. 6 week cycle then PCT for at least 6 weeks

Either MWF or EOD is good for short esters like test prop and tren ace. You really don't have to worry about the Sunday dip. It'll be so minuscule that you won't notice it. You have to remember big picture with all this stuff.

Your tren cycle dosages look great. Just make sure to remember to use the proper support supplements with your cycle.

A test/tren cycle needs 3 main support supplements:
1. An AI like aromasin to keep estrogen in the low-normal range
2. An anti-prolactin drug like cabergoline to keep prolactin in the low-normal range
3. Cardarine to increase fat loss, endurance and prevent tren related side effects like tren cough

Cardarine isn't talked about much as a support for a cycle with tren but it is fantastic for preventing tren related side effects. Tren is notorious for negatively impacting endurance and causing insulin resistance. Cardarine helps prevent that immensely.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

It is not that there is anything wrong with using tren or people thinking you aren't ready for it but it has to do with it being the best. If you use the best compound right out of the gate there is nothing to work up to. You want to be in this game for a long time and constantly be able to move along. If you use tren first cycle you wont be able to cycle again without it. Nothing else will ever compare. When you can gain 10-15lbs muscle on a first cycle with test only that is why guys always suggest that.

 

[Bigboost]

Well I do understand that rationale, however I don't think personally my progression will be stunted as this will mainly be a cutting type cycle at a good bit below maintenance threshold caloric intake. I'm not expecting to see massive gains in muscle or strength, but will take what I can get. That's why I thought it was the best compound suited for the task despite the possible sides (which I will prepare all necessities to handle those on cycle) and it will only be for a short duration.

 

[THEALPHA14]

Tren and deca are both 19nor's but deca aromatizes where as tren doesn't, the only thing that I really can see different between trenbolone and DHT based compounds is the progesterone/prolactin build up that has to be kept in check.

Well both increases progesterone and prolactin but deca seems to be a good bet before going for tren Bro. Tren is a expensive cycle and highly androgenic

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