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Mateo123 said:
LOOKING LEAN! So Jack....You mentioned you were considering a cycle soon. So...you look pretty sharp for not being on. CUT!
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Lol thanks bud, I'm on self scripted trt even when not on a cycle so I am never exactly OFF juice technically.


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JackSteel said:
Thanks Steve my diet has been shitty but calories have been low consistently. I could look better in the adominal region as far as fat leanness.


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if you work a blue collar job that helps. i burn barely anything during the day sitting on my ass.. welcome to the 21st century though
 
sourcenyne said:
Any growth or peptides?
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Umm actually now that you mention it I have been using a little bit of ipamorelin now and then pre or post workout. I mix it up. I met 2 mg in half a milliliter of BAC water which should put me at about 500 µg per 5 IU??

I don't know if my brain is working correctly but for some reason I have confused myself on how to figure this out LOL


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6ft 189-191lbs at the moment.

Any opinions on how I would do in physique? I'm confident in my physique but at the same time EXTREMELY insecure and unsure when I imagine stepping on stage. I hate being on stage for anything lol

I really want to compete at least once but I want to make damn sure I'm ready. Perfection ready. Proportional at the very least and symmetrical. My left side lags behind my right side on almost every body part so seeing that every day in the mirror brings down my self image. Or you could call it dismorphia if you want. I think I look good and bad at the same time lol


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BTW Jack u look symmetrical to me..tat on right bi throws it off a bit but quads look equal for sure.
 
EER said:
BTW Jack u look symmetrical to me..tat on right bi throws it off a bit but quads look equal for sure.
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Thanks man, I agree!!! I regret my tattoos :( if I had known bodybuilding would become my life I would've rethought it. My left lat to me is the most noticeable.

Yes I would put myself at about 8% I think. I'm always between 7-9% if I had to guess. I've only used electronic scales to determine it so who knows. My scale has always had me at 7-8 but I don't trust it.


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JackSteel said:
My scale shows me @ 8.7% just now. Who knows.


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Haha...daum I got a good eye for %BF. Good so yea I'm bout 3% more than u. Cool, b/c I'm still looking to gain but maintain this %BF. I'd like to get to 215ish before getting below 10%.
 
EER said:
Haha...daum I got a good eye for %BF. Good so yea I'm bout 3% more than u. Cool, b/c I'm still looking to gain but maintain this %BF. I'd like to get to 215ish before getting below 10%.
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I'll be happy if I can hit a lean 200 at this BMI dude! Lol I've been trying to break that barrier for a fee years embarrassingly enough.


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JackSteel said:
I'll be happy if I can hit a lean 200 at this BMI dude! Lol I've been trying to break that barrier for a fee years embarrassingly enough.


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Might be hard sup 10%, but I'm new to the game. Just finished real first pinning cycle and broke 202 but lots of water. After going into cruise I dropped 3.5lbs of water in first week...Test only cycle too. Looks like I put on a solid 12lean lbs though. Hoping to do two short 8-9weeks bulks this fall/winter, then a nice sloooow cut cycle into next summer. Hope to be 10% BF maybe 202-205lbs.
 
EER said:
Might be hard sup 10%, but I'm new to the game. Just finished real first pinning cycle and broke 202 but lots of water. After going into cruise I dropped 3.5lbs of water in first week...Test only cycle too. Looks like I put on a solid 12lean lbs though. Hoping to do two short 8-9weeks bulks this fall/winter, then a nice sloooow cut cycle into next summer. Hope to be 10% BF maybe 202-205lbs.
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Sounds like a plan bro you're coming along nicely! And you're right I really need to pack in as many calories as I can clean or not. I also don't take days off :/ and I'm an insomniac as well. So I have several areas I can improve in to reach my goals but it's hard to get out of bad habits as we all know lol

I'm even a daily grass smoker and my appetite is just shitty. Stress kills me I think.


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I also drink WAY too much caffeine which most likely helps keep my cortisol levels up.


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JackSteel said:
Sounds like a plan bro you're coming along nicely! And you're right I really need to pack in as many calories as I can clean or not. I also don't take days off :/ and I'm an insomniac as well. So I have several areas I can improve in to reach my goals but it's hard to get out of bad habits as we all know lol

I'm even a daily grass smoker and my appetite is just shitty. Stress kills me I think.


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Bro I sleep maybe 5hrs/night...some days less , some days more. Sucks ballz cause I lay in bed thinking, "This shit is killing my gainz". I'm stressed too, but it's no excuse....we need sleep damnit!!!!
 
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Bro I sleep maybe 5hrs/night...some days less , some days more. Sucks ballz cause I lay in bed thinking, "This shit is killing my gainz". I'm stressed too, but it's no excuse....we need sleep damnit!!!!
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You're not kidding. I always grow when I take time off. I need a reason to get away from the gym for like a month lol. Maybe go camping ha! I wish I could camp for a month.


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krazieone56 said:
I guess nobody thought my pic was good. Zero comments. Lol I think I look pretty fucking good for being 40

KRAZIEONE
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Lookin great dude,but the next pic was jacked steel. If his body wasn't enough to distract everyone from your pic , his drawers were! You got cock blocked literally. Haha
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JackSteel said:
You're not kidding. I always grow when I take time off. I need a reason to get away from the gym for like a month lol. Maybe go camping ha! I wish I could camp for a month.


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So weird, me too. I've heard it called "strategic deconditioning". I just call it xbox and chipotle week.
 
Ya it looked like he was lacking in that area. Lol or is it he is just that big. Altho if I took a pick in my undies no one would be looking at my physique hence shorts stay on lol.

KRAZIEONE
 
krazieone56 said:
I'm not a monster but I'm still gettin it lol. View attachment 1901

KRAZIEONE
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You're 40?? Yeah good job krazie!! I wish I could get my 66 year old dad to get on trt. His body just makes me shake my head along with the bird food he eats. Not sure why old people always thing they need to eat straight almonds, natural peanut butter and kale chips for every meal lmao.

He doesn't always eat that but it gives you a good idea of what his meals look like... Bird food. I wanna be jacked until I'm 90 or older!


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He was 6'2" 245. Competing and in the movie predator he was 225. Which has always been a goal for me. Because im his height. But looks like I'm surpassing that and going to 240 lol. That picture doesn't do me justice in person I'm big. That's all I hear at the gym is man ur getting big.

KRAZIEONE
 
Fuck... If I reach 210 I might be so happy I die right then. So I may have to settle for 210 as my long term goal haha


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Dude u are a massive 190. I would have to be 250 to look that jacked. I have a long body. I'm 220 and u make me look tiny.

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Me roughly 6 months ago, approximately 223lbs when the photos were taken. I'm 213 today in my avatar.

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Thanks bud. I run a Powerlifting routine for the Big 4 in particular, but try and incorporate some high rep accessory work to keep lean.
 
I quit drinking 8 1/2 months ago when I started TRT (for life).

I was 243 lbs then, and after about 2 months the weight literally started falling off my body - most of it was in the chest and ab regions. I ran a blast stacking EQ, Test and Masteron and leaned up even further. I'm back on my TRT dose and eat like a horse, but seem to stay between 213 and 215lbs on any given day. Ultimately, I want to bulk up to around 225lbs, which was my sweet spot in my early 30's,
 
For sure. My wife was midway through her pregnancy and I kept telling her I'd lay off the booze. I ultimately quit altogether and decided to make it a lifestyle. I wasn't an extremely heavy drinker, but I did like my scotch rather often.

Best decision I ever made regardless. I feel like a million bucks now with the added benefits of TRT. Oh, and here's my first son, Jack. I call him the Hammer:

Blackhawks Fans (2).webpJack and I.webp
 
Polish Rifle said:
For sure. My wife was midway through her pregnancy and I kept telling her I'd lay off the booze. I ultimately quit altogether and decided to make it a lifestyle. I wasn't an extremely heavy drinker, but I did like my scotch rather often.

Best decision I ever made regardless. I feel like a million bucks now with the added benefits of TRT. Oh, and here's my first son, Jack. I call him the Hammer:

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Absolutely AWESOME!!!!
 
Polish Rifle said:
For sure. My wife was midway through her pregnancy and I kept telling her I'd lay off the booze. I ultimately quit altogether and decided to make it a lifestyle. I wasn't an extremely heavy drinker, but I did like my scotch rather often.

Best decision I ever made regardless. I feel like a million bucks now with the added benefits of TRT. Oh, and here's my first son, Jack. I call him the Hammer:

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Good lookin kid man! Congratulations


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krazieone56 said:
He was 6'2" 245. Competing and in the movie predator he was 225. Which has always been a goal for me. Because im his height. But looks like I'm surpassing that and going to 240 lol. That picture doesn't do me justice in person I'm big. That's all I hear at the gym is man ur getting big.

KRAZIEONE
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I'm 6'2" and been as big as 250 fairly lean, about 14%. I was big but still seemed small to me. Wasn't enough for me. I figured I would try to get as close to 300 as I could and stay there as long as I could then slowly cut down to a lean and solid 265-275 or so.

Of course life gets busy, kids come along, other things get to be more important. So here I am staying around 220-225, feeling skinny. I'm big compared to most (normal) people, but I don't compare myself to them.

Your body reaches plateaus where you have to push hard to get past them. Usually means eating like it's a full time job. You get to be ~250 pounds and stuffed with food and shakes all day long and it becomes somewhat miserable just doing daily activities. The only time I felt really good was when I was in the gym moving heavy ass weight. But before I went to the gym, just bending over to tie my shoe winded me. I had to do it in reps. I could put on and tie a shoe in 2 reps on a really good day, usually took 3-4 reps though. :)
 
Polish Rifle said:
For sure. My wife was midway through her pregnancy and I kept telling her I'd lay off the booze. I ultimately quit altogether and decided to make it a lifestyle. I wasn't an extremely heavy drinker, but I did like my scotch rather often.

Best decision I ever made regardless. I feel like a million bucks now with the added benefits of TRT. Oh, and here's my first son, Jack. I call him the Hammer:

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Good stuff right here. Congrats my friend, on the kid as well as getting cleaned up. I bet life's looking pretty damn good right now for ya
 
Great pic man , you look great and what a beautiful son !

Like CEO said why get so big if your uncomfortable , I dig badass body builders but it not me , it can't be me , man I stay at 210 215 at 5'10 , how much bigger can I possibility get and why ? I want to be big , strong , intimidating , healthy , flexible and fast , I don't need to be like anyone else , just me ! Goodluck on the drinking , take it one day at a time and you'll be fine .


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ceo said:
I'm 6'2"..... around 220-225, feeling skinny. I'm big compared to most (normal) people, but I don't compare myself to them.
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I cant believe that Arnold was only 225 in predator. I remember seeing that movie when I was a kid and thinking what a monster he was. I weighed in at 230 on monday. Compared to the average Joe I am BIG...but who cares about the Joes. Funny thing is thou that in the beginning all I really cared about was standing out in a crowd. Now, even if I am the biggest in the room...I just keep wanting more.
 
Mateo123 said:
I cant believe that Arnold was only 225 in predator. I remember seeing that movie when I was a kid and thinking what a monster he was. I weighed in at 230 on monday. Compared to the average Joe I am BIG...but who cares about the Joes. Funny thing is thou that in the beginning all I really cared about was standing out in a crowd. Now, even if I am the biggest in the room...I just keep wanting more.
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Arnold was also 5% BF, had perfect lines, full muscle bellies, perfect tie ins, perfect separation, and rare symmetry. Consequently, those qualities made him look heavier than what he really was. Those qualities depict an optical illusion. I remember when I competed, I would watch the light heavy weights pose, they looked huge on stage, but up close they looked like I could pick them up and burp them. Don't get me wrong, Arnold was a freak, and should be never critiqued because imo,he is the pioneer of modern BBing. Nevertheless, having those qualities i stated make a person look bigger than what they really are.
 
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Arnold was also 5% BF, had perfect lines, full muscle bellies, perfect tie ins, perfect separation, and rare symmetry. Consequently, those qualities made him look heavier than what he really was. Those qualities depict an optical illusion. I remember when I competed, I would watch the light heavy weights pose, they looked huge on stage, but up close they looked like I could pick them up and burp them. Don't get me wrong, Arnold was a freak, and should be never critiqued because imo,he is the pioneer of modern BBing. Nevertheless, having those qualities i stated make a person look bigger than what they really are.
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Well said brother. Arnold had the full package, and he got conditioned very well on stage. Scale weight doesn't mean a damn thing. Guys in the gym ask me how much I weigh all the time, and when I tell them I'm 185-190 they won't believe me. It's all about the image that you present, that gives the ultimate illusion.

I can't count how many people in the gym that said "Man, you got huge!" When I was in contest prep. I said, "Are you kidding me? I just dropped almost 20 lbs bro!"
 
RickRock said:
I can't count how many people in the gym that said "Man, you got huge!" When I was in contest prep. I said, "Are you kidding me? I just dropped almost 20 lbs bro!"
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That is where I think AAS really helps bring it all together. I mean, I gain muscle relatively easy. What I struggle with is KEEPING the muscle when I cut up. For me, AAS makes that possible.



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ledhead said:
Arnold was also 5% BF, had perfect lines, full muscle bellies, perfect tie ins, perfect separation, and rare symmetry. Consequently, those qualities made him look heavier than what he really was. Those qualities depict an optical illusion. I remember when I competed, I would watch the light heavy weights pose, they looked huge on stage, but up close they looked like I could pick them up and burp them. Don't get me wrong, Arnold was a freak, and should be never critiqued because imo,he is the pioneer of modern BBing. Nevertheless, having those qualities i stated make a person look bigger than what they really are.
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exactly. BBing is very much about illusion...or at least it used to be. LOL! These days you got guys that are 5'9" competing at 260lbs at 3-4%.
 
My back double bi (please don't mind the filter, straight from my instagram). This is 3 days before I ended my 12 week SARMS + 6 week primobol dex run. I gained 11 lbs, and currently on my first week of pct maintaining weight. This was also the first actual cycle I've ever run, can't wait to start my first pin cycle after my experience with this!
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Pocket_Hercules said:
My back double bi (please don't mind the filter, straight from my instagram). This is 3 days before I ended my 12 week SARMS + 6 week primobol dex run. I gained 11 lbs, and currently on my first week of pct maintaining weight. This was also the first actual cycle I've ever run, can't wait to start my first pin cycle after my experience with this!
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Looking good bro
 
Mateo123 said:
Interesting....so if you take Arnold at 225 and 5% and say a competitor of today at 260 4% ...it would seem today's competitor would look better. However, we know that not to be true.
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I'm sure everyone has their opinions on this, but it seems the majority including me thinks that the classic bodybuilders of the 70s and 80s look better than the freaks of today. It just goes to show that more does not always mean better. They had a perfect blend of size, aesthetics, tiny waists, and a near-perfect physical image on stage.

The grotesque look that today's BBers get from abusing slin and GH along with astronomical AAS doses is what we end up with.
 
Pocket_Hercules said:
My back double bi (please don't mind the filter, straight from my instagram). This is 3 days before I ended my 12 week SARMS + 6 week primobol dex run. I gained 11 lbs, and currently on my first week of pct maintaining weight. This was also the first actual cycle I've ever run, can't wait to start my first pin cycle after my experience with this!
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Nice man how did you like primobol dex?


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RickRock said:
I'm sure everyone has their opinions on this, but it seems the majority including me thinks that the classic bodybuilders of the 70s and 80s look better than the freaks of today. It just goes to show that more does not always mean better. They had a perfect blend of size, aesthetics, tiny waists, and a near-perfect physical image on stage.

The grotesque look that today's BBers get from abusing slin and GH along with astronomical AAS doses is what we end up with.
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I agree 100%. In this case bigger is not better. Serge (my fav), Arnold (not my fav) and one of my all time favs Lee Haney was the last "good" looking of the famous BB's. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr Haney. He trained in a small college gym for a short time near my home. The man who was in charge of the maintenance was a friend of my mom's. He introduced us. I was like a kid in a candy store. I asked him about training, diets, ect... he spent 1+hrs talking to me and never seemed pissed or irritated and told me it was his pleasure taking to me.
 
Thanks bros! Krazieone, haha yeah I'm fairly short. 5'6.5 to be exact. I loved the primobol dex, strength gains were steady, and hit some nice new PRs on the big 3 compound lifts. I did get some minor night sweats, but nothing a fan didn't resolve. As far as lean gains: when I was only running the sarms (ostarine, andarine, cardarine) I was aiming more towards shredding up (which they DEFINITELY did) I went from 187 at approximately 15%+ body fat to 179 at what looked to be 9%/10%. Once I started the primo dex I ran out of MK, so I was just running S4 and GW with it. By the end of the cycle I jumped from 179 to where it currently sit at 190 at 5'6.5 with 10% body fat. I'm currently on PCT with ostarine included and I'm still improving
 
RickRock said:
I'm sure everyone has their opinions on this, but it seems the majority including me thinks that the classic bodybuilders of the 70s and 80s look better than the freaks of today. It just goes to show that more does not always mean better. They had a perfect blend of size, aesthetics, tiny waists, and a near-perfect physical image on stage.

The grotesque look that today's BBers get from abusing slin and GH along with astronomical AAS doses is what we end up with.
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^Agree with this, I just started competing, only 1 show under my belt so far, back in October last year. It was an NPC show and my coach decided to go the natural route for my first show to make me see what I'm up against. Ever since seeing what I was up against that day I was frustrated knowing that in order to get to pro and to win I'd have to drastically change my outlook on my physique...I truly wish judges would go back in time, they actually looked like Greek gods in the 70s
 
RickRock said:
I'm sure everyone has their opinions on this, but it seems the majority including me thinks that the classic bodybuilders of the 70s and 80s look better than the freaks of today. It just goes to show that more does not always mean better. They had a perfect blend of size, aesthetics, tiny waists, and a near-perfect physical image on stage.

The grotesque look that today's BBers get from abusing slin and GH along with astronomical AAS doses is what we end up with.
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Imo, Dennis Newman had the last great physique. I like Yates, but the guy ruined BBing when he set a precedent with that proverbial freak look.
 
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Totally agree. Arnie was huge and symmetrical and massive in size but he still looked pleasing to the eye. Meaning u weren't like ugh Jesus when u looked at him. He still looked human. Not like some juiced up alien.

KRAZIEONE
 
So where did the change of physique come from , was it the HGH , for instance that makes the difference between Arnold and cutler ? It's such a huge difference in less then a generation .


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krazieone56 said:
I'm thinking the amount used. I bet it would be staggering to know cutler really takes on a weekly basis.

KRAZIEONE
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Part of it. Um, those old school bros didn't have growth or tren, nor other exotic drugs that are on the market today. Who knows what Cutler takes, I'm sure some clown will chime in here and speculate.
 
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Imo, Dennis Newman had the last great physique. I like Yates, but the guy ruined BBing when he set a precedent with that proverbial freak look.
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Still have Newmans covers in prestine condition, totally agree about Newman's physique!
 
I remember I had a video tape a long time ago by the guys that made the Big beyond belief training book , that had like 10 of the pro BB with their face blurred and voices changed except one , and they explained what and how much they would take . I was blown away at the amount . But one of them , for some reason I think it was cutler , way before he won Mr O , explained how he believed that the body could only intake so much , so he would only use that max amount the body could intake . Witch wasn't shit compared to the other guys . I wish I could find the video , it was pretty cool !


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Part of it. Um, those old school bros didn't have growth or tren, nor other exotic drugs that are on the market today. Who knows what Cutler takes, I'm sure some clown will chime in here and speculate.
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Casca said:
Still have Newmans covers in prestine condition, totally agree about Newman's physique!
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He was awesome. I met him right after he won the nationals, and he was wild. I had a rather enlightened conversation with him. He said, "take everything you can get your hands and put it in your body, and don't believe there are certain drugs for bulking and cutting, you can bulk and cut on any drug." I said to myself, " this guy is fucking nuts"!
 
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