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I have been debating on trying test e for almost a year now. I am 30 and have been training for 7 years. Currently I am 5’8, 170lbs with 12% bf. I do get bloods done every 12 weeks because of a medication I’m taking for Crohn’s disease, to check liver enzymes. I don’t think it has everything I need but shows liver and hematocrit. Thinking a 10 week cycle of test e 250 Monday and friday. PCT nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50. Hear mixed things on hcg. So I’m going to leave that out. Thoughts?
Add 12.5mgs EOD of aromasin, and drop the HCG which is not necessary for a test'-only cycle, and your plan is, in my estimation, a solid one.
Just out of curiosity, which Crohn's med' are you taking, Adrenal1ne?
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Too, Adrenal1ne, the compounds that you are plannig to use for your PCT are all the compounds you will be in need of. Do not allow yourself to be manipulated into thinking otherwise. Don't get ripped off!
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Very high doses only for test. nolva 30-30-20-20 clomid 50-50-25-25 my first loop just test500 and succeeded in this way pct.
Might it cause you a lack of appetite?
Not that I’m aware.
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I’ll keep that in mind thanks
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I’ll keep that in mind thanks
Oh good. Then there will be no need for you to add GHRP-6.
Carry on.
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His Week #2 clomid dose of 100mgs is twice as high as I would run it. Other than that, though, I don't find his PCT protocol to be problematic.
I’ve seen mixed feelings on ais also. You would use that on a test only cycle?
Always have an AI on hand. Preferably aromasin. Some claim they dont need it. You will only know by taking mid-cycle blood work to see your estrogen levels.
PCT is way overkill. Clomid doses can be cut in half or less. Nolva is about right. No HCG in PCT you could use it on cycle but its suppressive so no go in PCT.
PCT is way overkill. Clomid doses can be cut in half or less. Nolva is about right. No HCG in PCT you could use it on cycle but its suppressive so no go in PCT.
What do you mean by AIS?
Aromatase inhibitors (aromasin)
I think he means AIs like aromasin/arimidex
That's what I had thought, awm. But me 1950s-era brain just couldn't make "AIS" work like that.
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Where's this "having AI on hands" and not using - idea came from?
Some may or may not need it in the 200-250mg per week range. EVERYONE will need it at 500mg/week.
OP. As Eddie said, 12.5mg EOD. Do bloods mid cycle to see where your hormone levels are at and adjust accordingly.
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From what I hear aromasin and arimadex are pretty harsh and people don’t want to use it unless they have to.. test at 250/week wouldn’t even be effective right?
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250mg/week is still quite a bit more than your natural T level, so it would be effective.
I've used all AI and I never noticed any "harshness". If you don't overdo it, you won't actually notice anything when taking AI. If you take too much and get your Estrogen levels too low, that is when you feel like shit, and you feel like that because of low E levels and not AI.
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I see. I’m just trying to find he safest way to go about this with out f*ckin myself up. Appreciate the info, trying to get a better understanding of all of this.
aromasin is gentle if used properly.. you need to run blood work everyone is going to be different
see my signature how to get bloods
In this context, Adrenal1ne, "harshness" need be defined by the degree to which a particular AI serves to inhibit the process of aromatization. Put another way, does a particular AI reduce the level of estrogen to zero - that which may be descibed as "harsh"? Or does a particular AI leave behind a small yet essential level of estrogen? (The latter is descriptive of aromasin which is not harsh, while the former is descriptive of arimadex and still other harsher AIs.)
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I would say the former better describes Letrozole. Arimidex is somewhere in the middle.
Letro is very strong and it's very hard to control the dozing. If not careful It can reduce E to near zero.
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The 1980's. It's too much of a dice roll for me. From day 1 people
What experiences did you guys have your first cycle? Looking for test only cycles
You are correct, Chemically Enhanced, letrozole is better descriptive of a harsher AI. Thank you for pointing out my oversight.
Yea and I agree I don't look at it as harsh rather its just so potent.
If you are extremely prone to gyno then you need letro but for a majority of the people arimidex or aromasin is more than enough. People go with Letro and drive their estrogen levels to zero and while id rather have low estrogen than high estrogen having zero estrogen isnt very pleasant....
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Missed this +1 lol
Letrozole should not be used unless you have gyno and are trying to remove it.
For estrogen support on a steroid cycle, you want to use aromasin -> https://www.evolutionary.org/aromasin-exemestane
@Adrenal1ne, I am about to do my first cycle (test only) as well. And I also have colitis where I take Azathioprine.
Looking forward to following your progress!
