20% body fat cycle

[boshmn8]

Was wanting to know if anyone has had experience with AAS and being over weight?

I've read about higher estrogen conversion and high BP issues. I also understand stand that your diet and workout plan needs to be on point before starting a cycle. Just curious about anyone's first-hand experience. Thanks

 

[sisir012]

I did my 1st cycle when my body fat was 12% I don't want to take any risk and 20% body fat is not a good starting point

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[Gruntwerkz]

I’ve done it, I needed a shit ton of AI though.

I had gained a shit ton of weight after I got injured and got out of the service, I was 28% on a dunk test. However I was hypogonadal at that point but didn’t know it, which likely contributed to the additional body fat.

So anyone point being I already had AAS experience well in the service when I was at my prime, so it wasn’t new to me and I knew the challenges and risks of running it at a high body fat.

I ended up running 250mg/wk test-e for 12 weeks once I got back into lifting, I was cutting obviously. It was a successful cycle in terms of cutting and even some recomp but the sides were terrible. Estrogen was terrible to control, I needed so much AI that my lipids were in the dump. Blood pressure was hard to control even with high doses on AI, and the body is already stressed from carrying the extra body fat so adding androgens is no good.

So my first hand experience is it worked but I wouldn’t suggest it, because well I feel strong and made great increases in lifts I was to heavy to start to even see what my lean gains were.

I would suggest you cut first, especially if you don’t have experience. As I said I had experience and it still took a huge toll on me and would never cycle with that high or a body fat again. With that said I wouldn’t let myself get there again anyway, I was in a bad place then.

Looking back I should of ran labs thank then, as just starting TRT at that point would of helped drop body fat over time.

 

[stevesmi]

here is the thing I want you to understand. what is the point of using steroids and building muscle if they are covered up in fat? makes no sense to me at all. we want to be able to SEE THE MUSCLES right?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Was wanting to know if anyone has had experience with AAS and being over weight?

I've read about higher estrogen conversion and high BP issues. I also understand stand that your diet and workout plan needs to be on point before starting a cycle. Just curious about anyone's first-hand experience. Thanks

Is this to suggest, boshmn8, that you wish to run a cycle while 20% of your bodyweight consists of fat?

 

[docmus]

For me it was being strong again. And pardon my ignorance, but does being a higher body fat mean worse side effects?

 

[Gruntwerkz]

For me it was being strong again. And pardon my ignorance, but does being a higher body fat mean worse side effects?

Yes more body fat means more water retention, androgens aromatize in fat.

The more body fat you carry the more you’ll aromatize I promise you, higher chances of gyno too.

Think of woman, women have higher body fats right? Boobs and asses, thighs, etc, women are primarily estrogen based creatures.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

For me it was being strong again. And pardon my ignorance, but does being a higher body fat mean worse side effects?

Not only more side-effects, but so, too, would the effectiveness of the AAS used be all but completely compromised.

 

[docmus]

Well shit haha. Not to hijack this thread but I just finished a cycle of test-e (400mg) and Winny and I started to get the tingles in my chest. Not fun and super scary. I had never had this issue before but I wasn't this heavy last time. I'm an ex power lifter and ran Arimidex while on-cycle and it didn't work great it seems. I've just started my PCT and am having labs done tomorrow but don't really know where to go from here. Am i screwed?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Well shit haha. Not to hijack this thread but I just finished a cycle of test-e (400mg) and Winny and I started to get the tingles in my chest. Not fun and super scary. I had never had this issue before but I wasn't this heavy last time. I'm an ex power lifter and ran Arimidex while on-cycle and it didn't work great it seems. I've just started my PCT and am having labs done tomorrow but don't really know where to go from here. Am i screwed?

Have you any hardened breast tissue?

 

[docmus]

Not that I can tell. It's still soft and squishy when i squeeze around it and my nipples aren't really all that puffy when i take off my shirt. I'm not 100% sure I know what I'm looking for though. What should it feel like and where?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Not that I can tell. It's still soft and squishy when i squeeze around it and my nipples aren't really all that puffy when i take off my shirt. I'm not 100% sure I know what I'm looking for though. What should it feel like and where?

Feel around and squeeze the area behind your nipples with your thumbs and forefingers. If you have hardened breast tissue, which is essentially concentrated estrogen, you'll know it right away.

 

[Gruntwerkz]

Well shit haha. Not to hijack this thread but I just finished a cycle of test-e (400mg) and Winny and I started to get the tingles in my chest. Not fun and super scary. I had never had this issue before but I wasn't this heavy last time. I'm an ex power lifter and ran Arimidex while on-cycle and it didn't work great it seems. I've just started my PCT and am having labs done tomorrow but don't really know where to go from here. Am i screwed?

Tingles in your nipples ?

 

[docmus]

Yeah, I have had issues with man boobs since I was younger. I always just had a big chest. When I started AAS 10 weeks ago, my muscle came back prettyquickly but I got scared that they looked too boob-like. In a panic mode I started to massage my nipples trying to feel for anything I could. That was like a week ago and i've been feeling around for stuff every day since. It could be that I"m being paranoid, but for sure there is a chance I caused some damage.

 

[Gruntwerkz]

Yeah, I have had issues with man boobs since I was younger. I always just had a big chest. When I started AAS 10 weeks ago, my muscle came back prettyquickly but I got scared that they looked too boob-like. In a panic mode I started to massage my nipples trying to feel for anything I could. That was like a week ago and i've been feeling around for stuff every day since. It could be that I"m being paranoid, but for sure there is a chance I caused some damage.

Sounds like paranoia, like Eddie said you dan usually feel the hard deposit.

Have you ever tried to run letro and Nolva?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yeah, I have had issues with man boobs since I was younger. I always just had a big chest. When I started AAS 10 weeks ago, my muscle came back prettyquickly but I got scared that they looked too boob-like. In a panic mode I started to massage my nipples trying to feel for anything I could. That was like a week ago and i've been feeling around for stuff every day since. It could be that I"m being paranoid, but for sure there is a chance I caused some damage.

Just take aromasin rather than arimadex, and you'll be fine. And, in the future, do not begin a cycle while carrying more than 12% body fat.

 

[docmus]

Feel around and squeeze the area behind your nipples with your thumbs and forefingers. If you have hardened breast tissue, which is essentially concentrated estrogen, you'll know it right away.

If i relax my arm on the table and squeeze only my nipple or even slightly behind my nipple i feel nothing. If i squeeze an inch or two to the left or right and i squeeze really hard then i can feel what feels like miniature guts? haha - I don't know how to describe it. I've heard it should feel like rubber - but I don't know how big that rubber thing should feel. Like small bumps smaller than rice or bigger like a penny?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Sounds like paranoia, like Eddie said you dan usually feel the hard deposit.

Have you ever tried to run letro and Nolva?

And speaking of hard things, this thread has me all wooded-up.

 

[docmus]

Sounds like paranoia, like Eddie said you dan usually feel the hard deposit.

Have you ever tried to run letro and Nolva?

I am taking (expired) Letro right now along with my PCT of Clomid (nolvadex incomming), N2Guard, and N2Generate. I read somewhere in these forums that I sholld take the Gyno cycle AFTER the PCT. But I started taking the Letro about a week ago @ 2.5mg/day.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

If i relax my arm on the table and squeeze only my nipple or even slightly behind my nipple i feel nothing. If i squeeze an inch or two to the left or right and i squeeze really hard then i can feel what feels like miniature guts? haha - I don't know how to describe it. I've heard it should feel like rubber - but I don't know how big that rubber thing should feel. Like small bumps smaller than rice or bigger like a penny?

You're fine. Get some aromasin. And stop cycling when you're overweight.

 

[docmus]

And speaking of hard things, this thread has me all wooded-up.

Hahah! Glad my fatty nipples could help?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I am taking (expired) Letro right now along with my PCT of Clomid (nolvadex incomming), N2Guard, and N2Generate. I read somewhere in these forums that I sholld take the Gyno cycle AFTER the PCT. But I started taking the Letro about a week ago @ 2.5mg/day.

(nolvadex incomming)

In the future, make sure you have everything you will be in need of before beginning a cycle - with respect to both AAS and ancillaries. In actuality, ancillaries are the most important part of all cycles.


I'm out!

 

[docmus]

Thanks for the help, guys. I hope I'm OK.

If I wanted to be safe, would it be best to continue my PCT of Clomid, N2Guard, N2Generate and still take the Letrozole for now then do the Gyno cycle as a precaution after? What's the timeline for taking the anti-gyno cycle listed in the Sticky?

 

[Gruntwerkz]

Thanks for the help, guys. I hope I'm OK.

If I wanted to be safe, would it be best to continue my PCT of Clomid, N2Guard, N2Generate and still take the Letrozole for now then do the Gyno cycle as a precaution after? What's the timeline for taking the anti-gyno cycle listed in the Sticky?

I think the gyno protocols are 6-8 weeks on that list, I would just use caution mega dosing letro for too long as it’ll crush your lipid profile. Not sure why you’re using n2 guard during PCT anyway. I also feel like the HCGenerate isn’t necessary but the n2bm fans here will say other wise I’m sure.

 

[Mobster]

Was wanting to know if anyone has had experience with AAS and being over weight?

I've read about higher estrogen conversion and high BP issues. I also understand stand that your diet and workout plan needs to be on point before starting a cycle. Just curious about anyone's first-hand experience. Thanks

Why not just lose the fat.

 

[OutlawV2]

And speaking of hard things, this thread has me all wooded-up

I came into this thread harder than Chinese Algebra.....

Why not just lose the fat

This....... No AAS is required to lose weight.. just do a shit ton of cardio then cycle...

 

[dylangemelli]

Why not just lose the fat.

yes at this point thats all that needs to be focused on before considering steroid use... 12-13% is the range to aim for before starting

 

[Gruntwerkz]

yes at this point thats all that needs to be focused on before considering steroid use... 12-13% is the range to aim for before starting

I agree man, like I said I shared my experience above and it was a complete night mare trying to run a cycle at a really high BF.

 

[dylangemelli]

I agree man, like I said I shared my experience above and it was a complete night mare trying to run a cycle at a really high BF.

thanks for sharing bro because that is very helpful to others

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I came into this thread harder than Chinese Algebra.....

That's it! Now I gotta go spank it!

 

[Gruntwerkz]

thanks for sharing bro because that is very helpful to others

Of course, I try to share my mistakes to help others avoid the same thing. My intentions on cycling well such a high BF was to “preserve” lean mass and rebound to where I was. However looking back I was not thinking rationally as you’re body isn’t going to burn muscle when you have a ton of extra body fat, and AAS aren’t for trying to rebound. I should of trained for a few years to get back everything naturally prior to turning to AAS again.

It was a night mare to control blood pressure and estrogen, felt like shit most of the time and couldn’t even tell what lean mass was gained anyway. Complete waste.

To to the OP, the money is better spent on food in this situation.

 

[muskate]

Running steroids at 20% body fat is a horrible idea man. It's going to put a lot of strain on your organs. Particularly your heart.

Get your body fat down to 12% first and then consider running a steroid cycle

 

[Chemically Enhanced]

Yeah, I have had issues with man boobs since I was younger. I always just had a big chest. When I started AAS 10 weeks ago, my muscle came back prettyquickly but I got scared that they looked too boob-like. In a panic mode I started to massage my nipples trying to feel for anything I could. That was like a week ago and i've been feeling around for stuff every day since. It could be that I"m being paranoid, but for sure there is a chance I caused some damage.

FYI, playing with your boobs will also cause gyno.

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[Chemically Enhanced]

So stop touching yourself.

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[Eddie Haskell]

FYI, playing with your boobs will also cause gyno.

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Really? Oh, shit!

 

[Hollywood305]

Just take aromasin rather than arimadex, and you'll be fine. And, in the future, do not begin a cycle while carrying more than 12% body fat.

Some guys can never get to 12% dosent mean don't use gear...if you've trained hard, done cardio and ate right for a couple yrs and you still are kinda soft use test only like 400mg maybe a lil less and proviron obviously run an AI and pct...i carry prob 17% when I'm not eating fucking salmon or chicken and dry potatoes or salad every fucking day and I promise you if I ran test and deca for 14 weeks i wouldn't get gyno and look like shit

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Really? Oh, shit!

No dude it won't lmao...
Sometimes i have my girfriend suck my nipples and put her thumb up my ass and i dont have gyno

 

[Chemically Enhanced]

I read somewhere that guards who have to hold their rifles in one arm and practice their rifle exercises, have enlarged nipples on one side due to constant rubbing/irritation of the nipple.
And I personally hate it when chicks suck on my nipples, I don't like that feeling at all. Never tried thumb in the butt though. LOL

 

[Hollywood305]

I read somewhere that guards who have to hold their rifles in one arm and practice their rifle exercises, have enlarged nipples on one side due to constant rubbing/irritation of the nipple.
And I personally hate it when chicks suck on my nipples, I don't like that feeling at all. Never tried thumb in the butt though. LOL

Yea thumb is cool...pegging is where I draw the line

 

[OutlawV2]

Yea thumb is cool...pegging is where I draw the line

Don't be scared......

As long as it don't look like a dick that she's wearing it's not gay....

 

[gashred777]

Don't be scared......

As long as it don't look like a dick that she's wearing it's not gay....

Exactly!


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[Eddie Haskell]

Some guys can never get to 12% dosent mean don't use gear...if you've trained hard, done cardio and ate right for a couple yrs and you still are kinda soft use test only like 400mg maybe a lil less and proviron obviously run an AI and pct...i carry prob 17% when I'm not eating fucking salmon or chicken and dry potatoes or salad every fucking day and I promise you if I ran test and deca for 14 weeks i wouldn't get gyno and look like shit

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No dude it won't lmao...
Sometimes i have my girfriend suck my nipples and put her thumb up my ass and i dont have gyno

I don’t believe you, bro. I think that you were telling the truth before; that playing with my boobs really will induce gyno.

Oh shit!