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First cycle ever, its fine my setup?

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Hi, after 6 years training natural I have decided to run my first cycle ever, my personal trainer gave me this setup, what do you think about that? I dont know the exact doses alredy but that's the plan...

Week 1 : Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo
Week 2 : Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Week 3 : Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 4 :

Tuesday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Thursday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 5 :

Tuesday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Thursday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 6 :

Tuesday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Thursday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 7 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 8 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 9 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 10 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 11 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 12 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone
 
Suffice it to say that a first cycle should always be a test’-only cycle rather than the suicide stew of chemicals listed above.

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And do you, Holabondia, harbor any understanding of the initials P.C.T.?
 
Tough the same, i was thinking in something like 500 mlg testo week and nolvadex for postcicle, anyways the cycle I posted can be something fine to run or its weird?
 
Holabondia said:
Tough the same, i was thinking in something like 500 mlg testo week and nolvadex for postcicle, anyways the cycle I posted can be something fine to run or its weird?
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Although you did not list dosages in the cycle you laid out, yes, those compound used in conjunction with one another would be very useful cycle for someone who is deeply experienced with AAS.
So please go with they test’-only cycle.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
Suffice it to say that a first cycle should always be a test’-only cycle rather than the suicide stew of chemicals listed above.

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And do you, Holabondia, harbor any understanding of the initials P.C.T.?
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Agreed. Don’t even think of running Tren on a first cycle. Keep it simple. 500mg of test cyp or enth, aromosin 10mg EOD to prevent estrogen related sides. Then make sure to eat, train and sleep properly. As noted, have your PCT drugs ready to administer a week or two after the cycle ends.
 
I see two things I would change for sure and you haven't listed dosages or your age and health status yet. Firstly I love tren but if I had done it first cycle I probably would have gave up on roids due to sides. Not to mention you don't need something that powerfull off the hop.
Second why the switch to test cyp? You are switching to a longer ester mid cycle which doesn't make sense to me. Usually I switch to a shorter ester so it clears my system faster in the last two weeks.
We are going to need more information to help you further.

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dylangemelli said:
thats about as far from okay on a first cycle as the planet earth is to jupiter... meaning this is A BILLION MILES AWAY.. good lord dude... where are you coming up with this monstrosity??? unreal
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But Jupiter is actually a mere 365,000,000 miles from earth. So perhaps his proposed first cycle is 2/3 okay? 😄
 
Gruntwerkz said:
Seriously, 4 compounds and tren? Jesus fuck.
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the thing thats scary is that A LOT of people out there do things like this... 80-90-% of users out there are not on forums, have no clue about anything, have done no research etc... its not a mystery why steroids get such a bad name.. not saying they are safe etc but they could be a fuck of a lot safer than they are if people used them right... there's always danger no matter how you slice it but for fucks sake, a lot of that could be mitigated if people were not so abusive and reckless... its just crazy to me that people dont take the time to actually learn about what they are doing...
 
dylangemelli said:
the thing thats scary is that A LOT of people out there do things like this... 80-90-% of users out there are not on forums, have no clue about anything, have done no research etc... its not a mystery why steroids get such a bad name.. not saying they are safe etc but they could be a fuck of a lot safer than they are if people used them right... there's always danger no matter how you slice it but for fucks sake, a lot of that could be mitigated if people were not so abusive and reckless... its just crazy to me that people dont take the time to actually learn about what they are doing...
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This is insanity.

I’ve used AAS on and off for 7 years, never abusive doses, mostly low doses and mild compounds but I have experience. I just tried my first run with tren and it threw me through a loop... can’t imagine running tren at doses so high with multiple compounds in a first cycle.

And you’re right, these are the scenarios that the worst case shit happens and adds to the bad reputation.
 
Chemically Enhanced said:
Correct.

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Okay. But, just so I understand all of this correctly, are you saying that father god, the son (being Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are effectively one in the same - the "Trinity"?
And are you, Chemically Enhanced, also saying that, since god the son and the Holy Spirit are one in the same, Jesus fucked himself in order to conceive himself?
 
Eddie Haskell said:
Okay. But, just so I understand all of this correctly, are you saying that father god, the son (being Jesus) and the Holy Spirit are effectively one in the same - the "Trinity"?
And are you, Chemically Enhanced, also saying that, since god the son and the Holy Spirit are one in the same, Jesus fucked himself in order to conceive himself?
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This is getting awkward, same as a virgin birth from that fairy tale book.

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btw I'm 28 years old 6 years training natural, after reading your advices I decided to do that cycle, whato do you thinks guy about it?
it is necesary the HCG for the first one?
Do I need something more like aromasin?
Someone told me to swap testosterone enanthed by cypionate on week 6 so my body doesn't habit, it's true?


Week 1 - 12 (TEST-E 500mg)
Week 1 - 4 (Dbol 30 mg/day)
Week 4 - 14 (HCG 500 iu)
Week 15 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day)
Week 16 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day)
Week 17 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day)
Week 18 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day)
 
muskate said:
Would you buy a mclaren f1 for your first car? Of course not.

Same philosophy here. WAY too much drugs for a first cycle dude.

Do this for a first cycle

weeks 1 - 10
test e/cyp 500mg/week (inject 250mg twice per week)
aromasin 10mg EOD

After the cycle run the perfect PCT - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html
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btw u mean run this for example?

week 1 - 10 testo-e or cyp 500 mg
week 1 - 10 aromasin 10 mg EOD (one day on, one day off and so on?)
week 13 Nolvadex 40 mg
week 14 Nolvadex 40 mg
week 15 Nolvadex 20 mg
week 16 Nolvadex 20 mg
 
Holabondia said:
btw I'm 28 years old 6 years training natural, after reading your advices I decided to do that cycle, whato do you thinks guy about it?
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Am I correct assuming that this will be your first cycle? If so, you won't be needing the dbol. Test'-only will give you the best results relative to a first cycle. So save the dbol for you second bulking cycle.

Holabondia said:
it is necesary the HCG for the first one?
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No, not all. HCG should be reserved for cycles involving harriers compounds, i.e., tren'.

Holabondia said:
Do I need something more like aromasin?
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Yes. 12.5mg EOD from the beginning of the cycle until the end of your PCT.

Holabondia said:
Someone told me to swap testosterone enanthed by cypionate on week 6 so my body doesn't habit, it's true?
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I don't even know what "so [your] body doesn't habit." So...


Holabondia said:
Week 1 - 12 (TEST-E 500mg)
Week 1 - 4 (Dbol 30 mg/day)
Week 4 - 14 (HCG 500 iu)
Week 15 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day)
Week 16 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day)
Week 17 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day)
Week 18 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day)
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Your plan is a solid one. Just be sure to keep to taking aromasin until the end of PCT.

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"No, not all. HCG should be reserved for cycles involving harriers compounds, i.e., tren'.'


That should have been "harsher" - harsher compounds. Fucking autocorrect/auto-make-you-look-tupid.
 
Holabondia said:
btw I'm 28 years old 6 years training natural, after reading your advices I decided to do that cycle, whato do you thinks guy about it?
it is necesary the HCG for the first one?
Do I need something more like aromasin?
Someone told me to swap testosterone enanthed by cypionate on week 6 so my body doesn't habit, it's true?


Week 1 - 12 (TEST-E 500mg)
Week 1 - 4 (Dbol 30 mg/day)
Week 4 - 14 (HCG 500 iu)
Week 15 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day)
Week 16 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day)
Week 17 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day)
Week 18 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day)
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First cycle should probably be just 500mg test a week. Thats what I did and had great results. Run it for 10-12 weeks with aromasin on cycle as your AI from day 1 and run through your PCT.

Dont touch HCG not needed. Add clomid to your PCT and again run Aromasin throughout the PCT as well.

Take a 2 week break after the last dose of Test before starting your PCT but continue to run aromasin through these 2 weeks.

If you really want to add an oral id run Tbol instead of Dbol for 6 weeks but make sure with any oral you are using a liver supplement like N2Guard from needtobuildmuscle.

Hope that helps but please do not listen to your trainer he is insane and you will do more harm than good.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
Am I correct assuming that this will be your first cycle? If so, you won't be needing the dbol. Test'-only will give you the best results relative to a first cycle. So save the dbol for you second bulking cycle.



No, not all. HCG should be reserved for cycles involving harriers compounds, i.e., tren'.



Yes. 12.5mg EOD from the beginning of the cycle until the end of your PCT.



I don't even know what "so [your] body doesn't habit." So...




Your plan is a solid one. Just be sure to keep to taking aromasin until the end of PCT.

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"No, not all. HCG should be reserved for cycles involving harriers compounds, i.e., tren'.'


That should have been "harsher" - harsher compounds. Fucking autocorrect/auto-make-you-look-tupid.
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Hey thanks for all you answeres, I really apreciate it, I have a question about aromasin some people saying to run it only on PCT not in the whole cycle till the end of PCT too, why?

Here is an example:

week 15 - 16 (aromasin 12.5 mg EOD) (Nolvadex 40 mg/day)
week 17 - 18 (aromasin 7.5 mg EOD) (Nolvadex 20 mg/day)
 
awm1981 said:
First cycle should probably be just 500mg test a week. Thats what I did and had great results. Run it for 10-12 weeks with aromasin on cycle as your AI from day 1 and run through your PCT.

Dont touch HCG not needed. Add clomid to your PCT and again run Aromasin throughout the PCT as well.

Take a 2 week break after the last dose of Test before starting your PCT but continue to run aromasin through these 2 weeks.

If you really want to add an oral id run Tbol instead of Dbol for 6 weeks but make sure with any oral you are using a liver supplement like N2Guard from needtobuildmuscle.

Hope that helps but please do not listen to your trainer he is insane and you will do more harm than good.
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So this is what i'm going to run adding clomid and aromasin if i'm right with dosages, is it correct?

Week 1 - 12 (TEST-E 500mg)
Week 1 - 18 (Aromasin 12.5mg EOD)
Week 14 - 16 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day) (Clomid 50 mg)
Week 17 - 18 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day) (Clomid 25 mg)
 
Holabondia said:
So this is what i'm going to run adding clomid and aromasin if i'm right with dosages, is it correct?

Week 1 - 12 (TEST-E 500mg)
Week 1 - 18 (Aromasin 12.5mg EOD)
Week 14 - 16 (Nolvadex 40 mg /day) (Clomid 50 mg)
Week 17 - 18 (Nolvadex 20 mg /day) (Clomid 25 mg)
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Yes that is 100% correct!

To answer the aromasin question yes you need it the entire cycle and PCT.

Reason being is some people think "I dont need an AI I will just take it if I feel gyno symptoms come on like itchypuffy nips, water retention, etc"

The issue is once you start seeing side effects the damage is done. Gyno is extremely hard to get rid of once you have it and then you are trying to get your estrogen levels down as quickly as possible so by taking your aromasin from day 1 you are protecting yourself from gyno. Testosterone will aromatize into estrogen, its a fact, so unless you are taking like 100-150mg/week as TRT (and even then you may have estrogen issues) you will be above the normal range of healthy estrogen and thus end up with gyno issues.

You do want some estrogen in your system and with 500mg/week of test 12.5mg every other day of aromasin should keep you in that healthy range.
 
dylangemelli said:
thats about as far from okay on a first cycle as the planet earth is to jupiter... meaning this is A BILLION MILES AWAY.. good lord dude... where are you coming up with this monstrosity??? unreal
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Not really, he could always be running clen and two orals too lol ;)

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Wanna know a secret




Youll make great noob gains on 10 weeks of test e with realistically little risk if you play everything smart
 
Holabondia said:
Hi, after 6 years training natural I have decided to run my first cycle ever, my personal trainer gave me this setup, what do you think about that? I dont know the exact doses alredy but that's the plan...

Week 1 : Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo
Week 2 : Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Week 3 : Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 4 :

Tuesday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Thursday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 5 :

Tuesday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Thursday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 6 :

Tuesday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo

Thursday: Testosterone Enanthate, deca, primo



Week 7 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 8 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 9 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 10 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 11 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone



Week 12 :

Tuesday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone

Thursday: Testosterone cypionate, boldenone, trenbolone
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Wow! That is unbelievable that anyone could even come up with a goofy mess like this and want to try it. Your stupidity gives AAS a bad name.
 
For fuck sakes. For the 1st cycle make it simple. 10-12 weeks of 400-500 mg's of test per week. Take an AI (dose dependent) the day after your injections (which should be twice per week). Run some hcg the last week of your cycle and for the two weeks after. Then take clomid for 4 weeks. Continue taking the AI throughout. I like to go one week beyond clomid use.
 
beefyfan said:
For fuck sakes. For the 1st cycle make it simple. 10-12 weeks of 400-500 mg's of test per week. Take an AI (dose dependent) the day after your injections (which should be twice per week). Run some hcg the last week of your cycle and for the two weeks after. Then take clomid for 4 weeks. Continue taking the AI throughout. I like to go one week beyond clomid use.
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Agreed except AI sound be taken every other day IMO and also HCG suppresses natural testosterone production so id take it on cycle if you felt it absolutely necessary but I wouldnt run it to the end or in my PCT.

Just my opinion though.
 
awm1981 said:
Agreed except AI sound be taken every other day IMO and also HCG suppresses natural testosterone production so id take it on cycle if you felt it absolutely necessary but I wouldnt run it to the end or in my PCT.

Just my opinion though.
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I agree with the AI every second day. HCG would be unnecessary for just a straight Test cycle of 10-12 weeks. PCT should follow the perfect PCT in the sticky.
 
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