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Casca

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Wow!!!! I have been reading for roughly 1 1/2 hours regarding this subject.

There are some serious discussions going on elsewhere on the web. As there r many that promote the use of supps such as liv52, cycle assist, n2guard and alike. However their are just as many that say the liver is a machine specifically made to combat these issues and that liver protection is a money making machine.

It is said that the overindulgence of longterm oral aas or dosing that is far out of control which leads to possible issues, just as it would if drinking heavily for long periods.

I would like to hear from those that feel that liver protecting supps r a waste of money, just as I would like to hear from those that believe in the liver protect supplements and their claims.

What's ur take?
 
I would not want to chance it. I will take my chances with spending a few extra dollars. I think this conversation can get really deep. ..
 
Casca said:
Wow!!!! I have been reading for roughly 1 1/2 hours regarding this subject.

There are some serious discussions going on elsewhere on the web. As there r many that promote the use of supps such as liv52, cycle assist, n2guard and alike. However their are just as many that say the liver is a machine specifically made to combat these issues and that liver protection is a money making machine.

It is said that the overindulgence of longterm oral aas or dosing that is far out of control which leads to possible issues, just as it would if drinking heavily for long periods.

I would like to hear from those that feel that liver protecting supps r a waste of money, just as I would like to hear from those that believe in the liver protect supplements and their claims.

What's ur take?
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Liv52 Ds costs like 4$ a bottle on ebay and amazon so i'll splurge and spend 20$ on NAC and Liv52 DS. I did superdrol years ago with cycle support and levels stayed normal. I also used epistane once without and 2 months later my levels were high. It's worth using in my opinion
 
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I think that there are plenty of products out there like natty boosters that contain liver protection, essentialy working like a multi vitamin in a way. So if I want to take a supplement that happens to have liver protection then thats a plus. It cant hurt especially if dosing high on anything. Also eating healthy, exercise, and not drinking, fish oil etc. keeps you safe. I would like to know more about the debate.

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It's not even worth taking the chance in my opinion. N2Guard and NAC are essential. Our bodies are a phenomenon for sure, but we still need to supplement these products. You only have one liver. It's money well spent IMO

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Supplements definitely play a part in protecting the liver, the issue is people thinking the more liver sups I take the better my liver will function and clear the orals out. But putting to much strain on your liver with sups can do just as much damage as an oral alone. You have to base your dosages of your symptoms. Start slow and find your prime levels. N2gaurd is a perfect all in one supp to help liver protection. Just remember not to over due it your liver can only handle so much at one time.


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I have Quite a Love Affair going on with my Liver.
I always do Liv-52 DS and NAC + a few others - Zinc - ALA...........................................JP
P.S.
I had Hepatitis-B and Yellow Jaundice back in the Early 80's.
I've never Posted Elevated Liver Enzymes since I started Liv-52 and Liv-52 DS
P.S.S.
Apparently, the Idiots making these Claims against Liver Protection, have never looked at the Research Backing Liv-52 & Liv-52 DS.
 
what supplements or PEDS are the most dangerous for your liver?
what if i am only doing hcg and hgh, do I need to worry that much about my liver?
 
jp4355 said:
I have Quite a Love Affair going on with my Liver.
I always do Liv-52 DS and NAC + a few others - Zinc - ALA...........................................JP
P.S.
I had Hepatitis-B and Yellow Jaundice back in the Early 80's.
I've never Posted Elevated Liver Enzymes since I started Liv-52 and Liv-52 DS
P.S.S.
Apparently, the Idiots making these Claims against Liver Protection, have never looked at the Research Backing Liv-52 & Liv-52 DS.
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When prepping for a show, I'll be using several orals. (No, I don't use orals any other time than cutting) With that, I take:
Liv52 2x/day
NAC 2x/day
TUDCA 2x/day
My ALT and AST always came back 3x normal before using the above. Using these my enzymes will come in only slightly above normal. That's pretty powerful to be able to do this.
 
Captavar said:
Supplements definitely play a part in protecting the liver, the issue is people thinking the more liver sups I take the better my liver will function and clear the orals out. But putting to much strain on your liver with sups can do just as much damage as an oral alone. You have to base your dosages of your symptoms. Start slow and find your prime levels. N2gaurd is a perfect all in one supp to help liver protection. Just remember not to over due it your liver can only handle so much at one time.


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Can u expand on the bolded part? So taking too much liver protection can damage your liver? Never have I heard of such, I'd like to know more b/c I like my liver a whole lot.

Thanks
 
EER said:
Can u expand on the bolded part? So taking too much liver protection can damage your liver? Never have I heard of such, I'd like to know more b/c I like my liver a whole lot.

Thanks
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Yea man, I was just saying that to much of anything can do harm to your liver no matter if it's suppose to be good for it or not. I see people taking upwards of 5 sups just to "protect" their liver. Your liver works by breaking down anything that hits your blood stream through oral ingestion. No matter what it is it still has to break it down to be excreted later. If your taking all these supplements to help your liver it can put a strain on it because it can only breakdown so much in a specific time frame. Most all drugs are metabolized by the liver enzyme CYP450, this includes the supplements that you take to protect the liver. The liver only has a specific amount of the enzyme. If it's being used up by breaking down say 2 sups already adding even more will not help but can damage the liver. it is not being broken down because of the lack of the enzyme being present. So basically I'm just saying don't over due it haha. Hope this answers your question.


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devildog said:
When prepping for a show, I'll be using several orals. (No, I don't use orals any other time than cutting) With that, I take:
Liv52 2x/day
NAC 2x/day
TUDCA 2x/day
My ALT and AST always came back 3x normal before using the above. Using these my enzymes will come in only slightly above normal. That's pretty powerful to be able to do this.
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I forgot about the Tudca, I just started doing it, this year.
I just had Blood Work done by the VA, last week, and everything is in Order.
Hell even my LDL came back in the 140 Range (time before 239), I haven't seen that, since the 70's.
So I'm going to say, the addition of Tudca, must have something to do with it, most definitely....................................JP
 
EER said:
Can u expand on the bolded part? So taking too much liver protection can damage your liver? Never have I heard of such, I'd like to know more b/c I like my liver a whole lot.

Thanks
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When your liver is being constantly taxed by a toxic substance, throwing in an healthy substance can actually do more harm than good. A classic example of this would be when a person goes out and gets shit faced drunk than the next morning thinks its smart to take in a bunch of vitamins. THAT IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO TO YOUR LIVER!
 
doing too much of anything can usually be detrimental at some point... its fine to take slightly above recommend doses when protecting your liver but there does come a point where it can become detrimental and toxic to your liver if you overdo it... just use your head and do things as they are supposed to be done and you will be just fine...
 
shebitme said:
what supplements or PEDS are the most dangerous for your liver?
what if i am only doing hcg and hgh, do I need to worry that much about my liver?
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The 17-alpha alkylated (17aa) steroids are by far the worst . Examples are winstrol, anavar, dianabol, anadrol, halotestin, etc.

hcg and hgh should be relatively mild, but I would still check liver enzymes mid cycle to be certain.
 
Lots of NAC always with n2guard and plenty of water.


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Casca said:
Wow!!!! I have been reading for roughly 1 1/2 hours regarding this subject.

There are some serious discussions going on elsewhere on the web. As there r many that promote the use of supps such as liv52, cycle assist, n2guard and alike. However their are just as many that say the liver is a machine specifically made to combat these issues and that liver protection is a money making machine.

It is said that the overindulgence of longterm oral aas or dosing that is far out of control which leads to possible issues, just as it would if drinking heavily for long periods.

I would like to hear from those that feel that liver protecting supps r a waste of money, just as I would like to hear from those that believe in the liver protect supplements and their claims.

What's ur take?
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People who say no protection is needed would be akin to saying police officers shouldn't wear bullet proof vests because they should be able to disarm their suspects, lol. It's dangerous enough for them to take their own advice, but for them to be spouting this rubbish to others is downright idiotic.

TUDCA is the champion of liver supplements, and second place isn't even in the rear view mirror. if you can only afford one, that's the one you should get.
 
BigTurk said:
People who say no protection is needed would be akin to saying police officers shouldn't wear bullet proof vests because they should be able to disarm their suspects, lol. It's dangerous enough for them to take their own advice, but for them to be spouting this rubbish to others is downright idiotic.

TUDCA is the champion of liver supplements, and second place isn't even in the rear view mirror. if you can only afford one, that's the one you should get.
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Tudca and nac are what I take if at all anyone thought othewise, just something I came across on another forum thats all.
 
BigTurk said:
People who say no protection is needed would be akin to saying police officers shouldn't wear bullet proof vests because they should be able to disarm their suspects, lol. It's dangerous enough for them to take their own advice, but for them to be spouting this rubbish to others is downright idiotic.

TUDCA is the champion of liver supplements, and second place isn't even in the rear view mirror. if you can only afford one, that's the one you should get.
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Agreed. TUDCA is top notch stuff. Very underrated.
 
N2Guard while on. protein factory POST CYCLE once off. If you want to add a little LIV 52, it won't hurt. That combo offers outstanding protection and at a very low cost, so...why wouldn't you use it?
 
nelson montana said:
N2Guard while on. protein factory POST CYCLE once off. If you want to add a little LIV 52, it won't hurt. That combo offers outstanding protection and at a very low cost, so...why wouldn't you use it?
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N2guard is a staple for me always. I like to add in 1200 to 2400mg of NAC as well especially when on orals.
 
BigTurk said:
Used to get it on amazon cheap but that place doesn't have it anymore...gunshowsupplements is the lowest price I could find
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I have their Nac/TUDCA blend. They effed up my order and took two weeks to get to me and they are like under 200 miles from me. They were suppose to send me free bottles plus a 20% off next order. Never got freebies or coupon.
 
ProteinFactory POST CYCLE contains NAC and picroliv -- the only natural substance proven to regenerate liver cells.
 
devildog said:
I've been hearing good things about Picroliv. What kind of dosing are you hearing for aas users?
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Guys who've used POST CYCLE alone or with LIV 52 are coming back with perfect liver values one month after a cycle that included orals. I'm not suggesting you can get crazy but using N2Guard while of and PF POSTCYCLE with picroliv once you're off is a major insurance policy for pennies a day.
 
Guys got a question, Just got back from doc's and have my bloods. My ALT is jacked for some reason, was 2x normal. AST, Bilirubin and ALK P was all normal.
My current cruise is
Test C 200mg/wk
Proviron 50mg/wk
Sarms triple stack
Liver support
Nac, Live 52 DS and TUDCA

^ I'd have thought I was gtg with all that. When I had labs done ~5wks ago my ALT was high 40's or basically in normal range for me. I added liver support Liv 52 and now it's jacked up...could it be the Proviron?
 
EER said:
Guys got a question, Just got back from doc's and have my bloods. My ALT is jacked for some reason, was 2x normal. AST, Bilirubin and ALK P was all normal.
My current cruise is
Test C 200mg/wk
Proviron 50mg/wk
Sarms triple stack
Liver support
Nac, Live 52 DS and TUDCA

^ I'd have thought I was gtg with all that. When I had labs done ~5wks ago my ALT was high 40's or basically in normal range for me. I added liver support Liv 52 and now it's jacked up...could it be the Proviron?
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Did you just workout the day before? Like something heavy like legs, or deadlifts? That will jack up your levels if you get them tested the day after...

Those tests should be done after an off day, imho
 
Yea I lifted day before, but I had on cycle labs done twice and neither times was my ALT that high.
 
It has to be an error or something weird is up. My numbers are always a bit high but this is abnormal. How can my liver be gtg on cycle, I come off and it's jacked up? Might drop a lot of supports, and proviron and get labs in two week son my own. I will also take 48 hrs off from the gym to.
 
EER said:
It has to be an error or something weird is up. My numbers are always a bit high but this is abnormal. How can my liver be gtg on cycle, I come off and it's jacked up? Might drop a lot of supports, and proviron and get labs in two week son my own. I will also take 48 hrs off from the gym to.
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A couple things....I dont know if you knew this but did you know that some so called "Liver supports" can actually fuck your liver up more than help. I mean, maybe yours has a problem with the supports your taking. Also, as mentioned its so true that "Intense Lifting" fucks up your enzymes too.
 
Mateo123 said:
A couple things....I dont know if you knew this but did you know that some so called "Liver supports" can actually fuck your liver up more than help. I mean, maybe yours has a problem with the supports your taking. Also, as mentioned its so true that "Intense Lifting" fucks up your enzymes too.
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yea i have to figure out what has done this. no way it's from lifting b/c my on cycle enzymes were way better.
 
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Im set w my PCT lol. The last thing I needed to buy.

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Chizzled77 said:
Anyone try NAC for liver protection?

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For sure.. if you are running orals, NAC is a must IMO. Coupled with N2Guard and you got some good protection

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N2guard also has NAC.The only issue I have with N2guard is the cost for 30 servings and each serving being 7 caps. I looked up a similar product called Blockade for a lot cheaper and 2 servings would be 6 caps. However may not have all the other added protection like N2gaurd.

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Chizzled77 said:
N2guard also has NAC.The only issue I have with N2guard is the cost for 30 servings and each serving being 7 caps. I looked up a similar product called Blockade for a lot cheaper and 2 servings would be 6 caps. However may not have all the other added protection like N2gaurd.

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Blockade is actually a very good product. Rated very highly. I use it all the time and I get great bloodwork. CEL cycle assist is also a good product.
 
BigTurk said:
Its a lot cheaper to just buy their bulk TUDCA and some NAC from like swanson and dose it yourself...
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The 50grams TUDCA is what I'm going to go with. Will add NAC, and Liv-52. Haven't tried this n2gard yet everyone here is using.
 
devildog said:
The 50grams TUDCA is what I'm going to go with. Will add NAC, and Liv-52. Haven't tried this n2gard yet everyone here is using.
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Haven't either and don't plan on it. Way overpriced, imho...good product for people who don;t know what they are doing tho, I guess, although the abscense of TUDCA is a head scratcher
 
BigTurk said:
Haven't either and don't plan on it. Way overpriced, imho...good product for people who don;t know what they are doing tho, I guess, although the abscense of TUDCA is a head scratcher
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I use TUDCA with Anadrol, and anytime I'm on 150mg drol/day, my enzymes 'can' go up three x normal.:eek:
With TUDCA at 1,00mg/day, enzymes are just barely above normal. Powerful stuff!
 
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