BLOODS: Proof that test boosters work

[jbranken]

http://i43.tinypic.com/24ysqyg.jpg

^ This is for everyone that has bashed ntbm and mr supps products.

This is with NO SERM!! I haven't used one my last 2 cycles. Total T is 994. No free T on this test but my bloods 4 weeks ago revealed it was maxed in the high range. This test wasn't as thorough as my last simply because free t is more expensive

LH is pretty astounding in the high range, with FSH being in normal range

Estro is bombed!! Guess I need to lower my MHO poppers and forma dose bc that's the only anti-E's that I'm on

Keep in mind, I'm on a sarms1 triple stack and still have recovered this well. Liver values are a bit high but could be from lifting heavy and I did run var in my last cycle. They have definitely come down from my last bloods so they'll be gtg in a few weeks after I get my Tudca and n2guard orders in. I've been out for a while

I was running methyl eaa then switched to unleashed. Also used test infusion, bridge, forma, mho poppers and other various supps like gear and n2slin. I've run multiple ph/aas/sarms cycles and I'm able to make full recoveries still with test boosters alone.

Inb4 skeptics and flaming begins...

 

[meathead96]

Thats proof right there. Those are some good numbers and the lh and fsh shows that your not on any AAS.

 

[jbranken]

Thats proof right there. Those are some good numbers and the lh and fsh shows that your not on any AAS.

Exactly! Bloods don't lie. I'm pretty proud of them although there's a few messed up values like my tanked estro

 

[Shrine]

Ive learned that 4 weeks just isnt enough in PCT. You must be thorough and pay the money to do it right.

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[ceo]

I always recommend guys do 6 weeks PCT of serms and AI, while adding in nattys the last couple weeks of that and continuing the nattys another 6-7 weeks.

 

[RickRock]

I always recommend guys do 6 weeks PCT of serms and AI, while adding in nattys the last couple weeks of that and continuing the nattys another 6-7 weeks.

That's probably a good idea especially for the guys that go on long cycles. Too many guys don't realize you can't recover completely in 4 weeks after running a 20 week cycle. Longer PCTs are always a good idea, and not enough people get bloods to see what is really going on

 

[ceo]

That's probably a good idea especially for the guys that go on long cycles. Too many guys don't realize you can't recover completely in 4 weeks after running a 20 week cycle. Longer PCTs are always a good idea, and not enough people get bloods to see what is really going on

Exactly bro. You really think you can squash your HPTA for 12-20 weeks and then just bounce right back in 4 weeks?? Give your body 1/3 or less time to recover from a typical 500mg test, plus an oral and maybe another injectable to like a 19nor? Good luck with that. Maybe a 21 year old would have a slim chance, but those guys don't give a shit and aren't getting bloods done anyway. Hell, most of them would stay on all the time if they could afford it.

If I were going to do a typical 12 week cycle of say, 500-750 mg test, 4 weeks of dbol or anadrol, add in some deca or tren, probably finish with 4 weeks of winny, and I were not on HRT (as I am), I would use HCG during cycle on weeks 3, 6, 9, 12, and 14 at 500IU twice a week, and Aromasin at 12.5mg every day to every other day throughout cycle and all the way through PCT.

My PCT would be something like this:

Starting 2 weeks after last injection of Test C (so, week 14) (If I were using Test E, I'd go 10 days after last injection - depending also if a long estered 19nor like deca was used - but by 2 weeks either way):
weeks 14-15 Clomid 25mg/day, Nolvadex 40mg/day, (continue aromasin) (note: I may not even use clomid because personally, I don't care for it, that's why I would cut the dose in half or cut it out altogether - that's MY personal preference)
weeks 16-17 Clomid 12.5mg/day, Nolvadex 20mg/day, (continue aromasin) Add natural test stimulator/booster: HCGenerate, plus DAA, or Methyl EAA on week 17 (4th week of PCT)
Weeks 18-19 Nolvadex 10mg/day, (continue aromasin), Continue HCGenerate and the DAA or Methyl EAA.
Weeks 20-23+ (Post PCT - more natty products than drugs, to help support the work the drugs just did). Continue HCGenerate (use this for 7 weeks or more, and if you have erectile (ED) issues, use HCGenerate ES), and your DAA or Methyl EAA. Add: FormaStanzol at 3 pumps twice a day for 6-7 weeks (weeks 20-25/26) OR: Forged MHO Poppers

Doses can be adjusted where needed (more clomid, less nolva, less aromasin, more Forma, etc., but I think the time frame is good. Of course this doesn't take into account adding in any sarms.

 

[Shrine]

Thats extensive... Recovery shoild be a breeze with that layout

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[ceo]

Thats extensive...

Not really though. Especially compared to the 12 to 20 week cycle you just ran.

I mean you're running drugs for 6 weeks, tapering down to very low doses while you begin to incorporate natural supportive (OTC) supps which you run for 8-10 weeks.

So you have a 12 week cycle and you run a short burst of drugs, followed by a longer stint of natty/OTC supps. We all run OTC supps pretty much all the time. Vitamins, joint support, creatine, protein, EFAs (fish/flax/olive/etc. oils), and so on. What's the difference?

 

[wolfpackalpha]

I always recommend guys do 6 weeks PCT of serms and AI, while adding in nattys the last couple weeks of that and continuing the nattys another 6-7 weeks.

Great to see someone else really pressing for more PCT time. IMO, guys aren't recovering in the 4 weeks that's recommended, at least 5-6 weeks is required.

 

[wolfpackalpha]

That's pretty extensive, but I could see that working very well.

It's only expensive if you aren't planning to get your balls to work ever, otherwise you're fine.

 

[thedarkhalf]

http://i43.tinypic.com/24ysqyg.jpg

^ This is for everyone that has bashed ntbm and mr supps products.

This is with NO SERM!! I haven't used one my last 2 cycles. Total T is 994. No free T on this test but my bloods 4 weeks ago revealed it was maxed in the high range. This test wasn't as thorough as my last simply because free t is more expensive

LH is pretty astounding in the high range, with FSH being in normal range

Estro is bombed!! Guess I need to lower my MHO poppers and forma dose bc that's the only anti-E's that I'm on

Keep in mind, I'm on a sarms1 triple stack and still have recovered this well. Liver values are a bit high but could be from lifting heavy and I did run var in my last cycle. They have definitely come down from my last bloods so they'll be gtg in a few weeks after I get my Tudca and n2guard orders in. I've been out for a while

I was running methyl eaa then switched to unleashed. Also used test infusion, bridge, forma, mho poppers and other various supps like gear and n2slin. I've run multiple ph/aas/sarms cycles and I'm able to make full recoveries still with test boosters alone.

Inb4 skeptics and flaming begins...

Holy cow man that is awesome

 

[jbranken]

It's only expensive if you aren't planning to get your balls to work ever, otherwise you're fine.

Exactly. You can't really put a price on a great recovery. Then guys argue "the pct you just laid out costs twice as much as my cycle". These are the same guys who get burnt out on shitty recoveries and go TRT so young.

I completely agree with CEO, these proposed 4 week pct's aren't near long enough. I don't care if you use serms, ai's, natty boosters, etc... As long as you're still making an effort to fully recover, you're at least doing something rather than taking 4 weeks of "nolva 40/40/20/20" then calling it good lol. Hell, I'm in week 9 of this pct experiement and I'm not finished..

 

[thedarkhalf]

Great to see someone else really pressing for more PCT time. IMO, guys aren't recovering in the 4 weeks that's recommended, at least 5-6 weeks is required.

Agreed. I usually do a 6-8 week PCT just to cover my bases