TRT Dosages - Free Testosterone Lower Range but Symptom Free

[Boofy]

Hey crew,

I'll try keep it tights - 41yo, athletic, been training since my 20's in some capacity.
Spent last 12 months building my knowledge base on TRT - super hesitant initially however in a place now where I feel ok with the lifelong lock-in.

Current T
Free 386, Total 28
BF 14%

Questions:
1. I feel relatively without symptoms, energy/ libido/ wood are all solid. Mood can fluctuate a lot and recovery has been sticky for a long time now but otherwise I'm not struggling with anything chronically but that said I've been getting bloods annually for the last 7 years and Free T has always been in the 300-380 bracket so maybe I'm just use to feeling how I feel thinking that's normal... did anyone realize how shit they did feel after they optimized?

2. With low symptoms but T within range/ symptom free - is it silly jumping on at this point?

3. Test E or C? Beside the half-life difference any reason for choosing one over the other?

4. Dose and frequency- 100-150mg seems to be the starting line (divided into 3-4 injections weekly)
Start at 100mg, 6 weeks later bloods then titrate up based on bloodwork. Those that have titrated up how much did you increase by (20-30mg?) and how long did you stay there before your next adjustment (12 weeks?) - assuming your next adjustment up or down was based on bloods?

5. What did you use to determine you were at the right level. Bloods and vibes or other?

Cheers crew,
Boof

 

[jenkemj]

Hey bro,

a bit over a month ago I had mine tested twice, my initial reading was 229 free and 10 total im assuming pmol and nmol for your results?
i then had 105 free and 5 total. I could still get hard but my motivation and zest for life was completely depleted. I'm also 32 years old and around 25% bf so i'm alot more overweight.

Since starting for me personally, my energy and zest for life has comeback. I'm more confident and feel like the person I wanted to be but couldn't. Physically i'm still on my journey but i'm much more motivated to keep pushing forward. For reference, I was aiming around the top of the reference range around 900 with 200mg a test e a week but overshot and my bloods came back at 40 total and 1200 free. I'd start lower if i did it again.

I think Test e or c is finding the better deal honestly. I'm sure others would disagree, I was recommended test c from a mod on here.

You know its working from vibes, but bloods are your best bet. I got mine checked after a month and had really high estrogen that i'm now combating with aromasin. So having an AI on hand is a good play aswell. based on your inital dosage and bf% it's far less likely youll need one though.

hope that helps

 

[Boofy]

Hey bro,

a bit over a month ago I had mine tested twice, my initial reading was 229 free and 10 total im assuming pmol and nmol for your results?
i then had 105 free and 5 total. I could still get hard but my motivation and zest for life was completely depleted. I'm also 32 years old and around 25% bf so i'm alot more overweight.

Since starting for me personally, my energy and zest for life has comeback. I'm more confident and feel like the person I wanted to be but couldn't. Physically i'm still on my journey but i'm much more motivated to keep pushing forward. For reference, I was aiming around the top of the reference range around 900 with 200mg a test e a week but overshot and my bloods came back at 40 total and 1200 free. I'd start lower if i did it again.

I think Test e or c is finding the better deal honestly. I'm sure others would disagree, I was recommended test c from a mod on here.

You know its working from vibes, but bloods are your best bet. I got mine checked after a month and had really high estrogen that i'm now combating with aromasin. So having an AI on hand is a good play aswell. based on your inital dosage and bf% it's far less likely youll need one though.

hope that helps

Nice one mate glad it's given you some bounce and energy in the right direction.
Starting at 200mg - how did you come to that as your start point out of curiosity? What's your plan for titrating down?

Thanks for jumping in mate - appreciate the advice.

 

[jenkemj]

Cheers bro!

Well I started at 150mg and figured I would go upto 200mg as I adjust. The advice was for me to start at 100-150 and go up from there. But really, i should have gone up based on blood work.

I’m taking aromasin eod 6.25mg for the e2 which was recommended on here and decreasing hCG from 1000iu a week to 500 iu. which I was using aswell that looks to stimulate natural testosterone production. So it should lower my test reading a bit. I’ll then get bloods done in 6 weeks and see where I’m at

 

[Dreamer]

Sounds like you want legit trt not “TRT”.
I was about 30 when I got on trt, same as everyone else, no interest in life, training was shit, mood was up and down, libido eh.

The thing is, true TRT dosages are quite a bit lower than you would be led to believe, 80-90mg will likely put you in a very good range.

Now, where it creeps for just about everyone, is that what about a little more, 150 will more than likely take you over the top of the ref range which is fine, but its where you can start to run into some e2 issues, bp issues if your susceptible, acne etc.
- albeit rare at that dose, but can happen.

Test e and c - whatever is easily available to you.

There is a part of this which is being honest with yourself what you really want, is it legit trt if yes - start at like 70mg and see where you go - how you feel, its a marathon not a sprint.

If like me you get a taste of that 100mg of test and go well shit I wonder what 400 feels like and so on thats fine too, but the approach is different

 

[Boofy]

Sounds like you want legit trt not “TRT”.
I was about 30 when I got on trt, same as everyone else, no interest in life, training was shit, mood was up and down, libido eh.

The thing is, true TRT dosages are quite a bit lower than you would be led to believe, 80-90mg will likely put you in a very good range.

Now, where it creeps for just about everyone, is that what about a little more, 150 will more than likely take you over the top of the ref range which is fine, but its where you can start to run into some e2 issues, bp issues if your susceptible, acne etc.
- albeit rare at that dose, but can happen.

Test e and c - whatever is easily available to you.

There is a part of this which is being honest with yourself what you really want, is it legit trt if yes - start at like 70mg and see where you go - how you feel, its a marathon not a sprint.

If like me you get a taste of that 100mg of test and go well shit I wonder what 400 feels like and so on thats fine too, but the approach is different

Yes I can see how the obsession and creep happens. I already feel that desire for more using HGH over the last few months.
Thanks for the feedback - long game for sure.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey crew,

I'll try keep it tights - 41yo, athletic, been training since my 20's in some capacity.
Spent last 12 months building my knowledge base on TRT - super hesitant initially however in a place now where I feel ok with the lifelong lock-in.

Current T
Free 386, Total 28
BF 14%

Questions:
1. I feel relatively without symptoms, energy/ libido/ wood are all solid. Mood can fluctuate a lot and recovery has been sticky for a long time now but otherwise I'm not struggling with anything chronically but that said I've been getting bloods annually for the last 7 years and Free T has always been in the 300-380 bracket so maybe I'm just use to feeling how I feel thinking that's normal... did anyone realize how shit they did feel after they optimized?

2. With low symptoms but T within range/ symptom free - is it silly jumping on at this point?

3. Test E or C? Beside the half-life difference any reason for choosing one over the other?

4. Dose and frequency- 100-150mg seems to be the starting line (divided into 3-4 injections weekly)
Start at 100mg, 6 weeks later bloods then titrate up based on bloodwork. Those that have titrated up how much did you increase by (20-30mg?) and how long did you stay there before your next adjustment (12 weeks?) - assuming your next adjustment up or down was based on bloods?

5. What did you use to determine you were at the right level. Bloods and vibes or other?

Cheers crew,
Boof

its hard to answer you since we haven't seen deep updates in your log @Boofy
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/almost-vegan-diet-and-training-log-pre-cycle.108765/
the issue here is we are guessing a lot why your test is this or that.

you have your blood work? share here please to start off

 

[Boofy]

its hard to answer you since we haven't seen deep updates in your log @Boofy
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/almost-vegan-diet-and-training-log-pre-cycle.108765/
the issue here is we are guessing a lot why your test is this or that.

you have your blood work? share here please to start off

@LevButlerov bloods attached mate.

Beyond addition of peps and GH - protocols are the same.
BF drifting down.

 

[stevesmi]

Hey crew,

I'll try keep it tights - 41yo, athletic, been training since my 20's in some capacity.
Spent last 12 months building my knowledge base on TRT - super hesitant initially however in a place now where I feel ok with the lifelong lock-in.

Current T
Free 386, Total 28
BF 14%

Questions:
1. I feel relatively without symptoms, energy/ libido/ wood are all solid. Mood can fluctuate a lot and recovery has been sticky for a long time now but otherwise I'm not struggling with anything chronically but that said I've been getting bloods annually for the last 7 years and Free T has always been in the 300-380 bracket so maybe I'm just use to feeling how I feel thinking that's normal... did anyone realize how shit they did feel after they optimized?

2. With low symptoms but T within range/ symptom free - is it silly jumping on at this point?

3. Test E or C? Beside the half-life difference any reason for choosing one over the other?

4. Dose and frequency- 100-150mg seems to be the starting line (divided into 3-4 injections weekly)
Start at 100mg, 6 weeks later bloods then titrate up based on bloodwork. Those that have titrated up how much did you increase by (20-30mg?) and how long did you stay there before your next adjustment (12 weeks?) - assuming your next adjustment up or down was based on bloods?

5. What did you use to determine you were at the right level. Bloods and vibes or other?

Cheers crew,
Boof

@Boofy only you can make the decision if you want to jump on or not. It's definitely something that is important to think about and if you do decide to go TRT, it's going to be a decision for the rest of your life.

 

[ceo]

Hey crew,

I'll try keep it tights - 41yo, athletic, been training since my 20's in some capacity.
Spent last 12 months building my knowledge base on TRT - super hesitant initially however in a place now where I feel ok with the lifelong lock-in.

Current T
Free 386, Total 28
BF 14%

Questions:
1. I feel relatively without symptoms, energy/ libido/ wood are all solid. Mood can fluctuate a lot and recovery has been sticky for a long time now but otherwise I'm not struggling with anything chronically but that said I've been getting bloods annually for the last 7 years and Free T has always been in the 300-380 bracket so maybe I'm just use to feeling how I feel thinking that's normal... did anyone realize how shit they did feel after they optimized?

2. With low symptoms but T within range/ symptom free - is it silly jumping on at this point?

3. Test E or C? Beside the half-life difference any reason for choosing one over the other?

4. Dose and frequency- 100-150mg seems to be the starting line (divided into 3-4 injections weekly)
Start at 100mg, 6 weeks later bloods then titrate up based on bloodwork. Those that have titrated up how much did you increase by (20-30mg?) and how long did you stay there before your next adjustment (12 weeks?) - assuming your next adjustment up or down was based on bloods?

5. What did you use to determine you were at the right level. Bloods and vibes or other?

Cheers crew,
Boof

Bros, you know that you can jump on and see how you feel. See if you see a big difference. If you change your mind, you can come off as long as you're not on for too long of a time.

 

[Boofy]

Bros, you know that you can jump on and see how you feel. See if you see a big difference. If you change your mind, you can come off as long as you're not on for too long of a time.

I had thought about this also - what would you suggest as being a long enough window to determine based on your experience. I know individual variation/ receptor density etc but what would be an acceptable timeline approx I understand some have a goldilocks window initially also.

 

[ceo]

I had thought about this also - what would you suggest as being a long enough window to determine based on your experience. I know individual variation/ receptor density etc but what would be an acceptable timeline approx I understand some have a goldilocks window initially also.

Bros, I guess you can go eight or twelve weeks. You should notice a difference though within a few weeks if you really need it.

 

[Peshay]

@LevButlerov bloods attached mate.

Beyond addition of peps and GH - protocols are the same.
BF drifting down.

SHBG seems a little high, are you including plenty of protein as part of a nutritious diet? Not sure if low dose Proviron might be beneficial for increasing Free Testosterone.

 

[Mobster]

Very quickly DO try TRT. But start low with bloods

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov bloods attached mate.

Beyond addition of peps and GH - protocols are the same.
BF drifting down.

you're taking how much test with this? a bit low on T @Boofy

 

[Boofy]

you're taking how much test with this? a bit low on T @Boofy

No test mate - that's where I'm at.
Never ran Test before hence the thread.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hey crew,

I'll try keep it tights - 41yo, athletic, been training since my 20's in some capacity.
Spent last 12 months building my knowledge base on TRT - super hesitant initially however in a place now where I feel ok with the lifelong lock-in.

Current T
Free 386, Total 28
BF 14%

Questions:
1. I feel relatively without symptoms, energy/ libido/ wood are all solid. Mood can fluctuate a lot and recovery has been sticky for a long time now but otherwise I'm not struggling with anything chronically but that said I've been getting bloods annually for the last 7 years and Free T has always been in the 300-380 bracket so maybe I'm just use to feeling how I feel thinking that's normal... did anyone realize how shit they did feel after they optimized?

2. With low symptoms but T within range/ symptom free - is it silly jumping on at this point?

3. Test E or C? Beside the half-life difference any reason for choosing one over the other?

4. Dose and frequency- 100-150mg seems to be the starting line (divided into 3-4 injections weekly)
Start at 100mg, 6 weeks later bloods then titrate up based on bloodwork. Those that have titrated up how much did you increase by (20-30mg?) and how long did you stay there before your next adjustment (12 weeks?) - assuming your next adjustment up or down was based on bloods?

5. What did you use to determine you were at the right level. Bloods and vibes or other?

Cheers crew,
Boof

in my opinion you should run TRT correctly. Make sure your numbers are in line. If your estrogen is too high, that means that your TRT dose is too high. If your hematocrit is too high, it also means your dose is too high. I think a lot of people make that mistake. They run TRT too high and it causes more harm than good.

 

[Ulter]

Symptom-free is definitely misleading in a lot of situations. Sometimes inside your body things are happening that may not show up as obvious symptoms.

 

[2Thick]

Hey crew,

I'll try keep it tights - 41yo, athletic, been training since my 20's in some capacity.
Spent last 12 months building my knowledge base on TRT - super hesitant initially however in a place now where I feel ok with the lifelong lock-in.

Current T
Free 386, Total 28
BF 14%

Questions:
1. I feel relatively without symptoms, energy/ libido/ wood are all solid. Mood can fluctuate a lot and recovery has been sticky for a long time now but otherwise I'm not struggling with anything chronically but that said I've been getting bloods annually for the last 7 years and Free T has always been in the 300-380 bracket so maybe I'm just use to feeling how I feel thinking that's normal... did anyone realize how shit they did feel after they optimized?

2. With low symptoms but T within range/ symptom free - is it silly jumping on at this point?

3. Test E or C? Beside the half-life difference any reason for choosing one over the other?

4. Dose and frequency- 100-150mg seems to be the starting line (divided into 3-4 injections weekly)
Start at 100mg, 6 weeks later bloods then titrate up based on bloodwork. Those that have titrated up how much did you increase by (20-30mg?) and how long did you stay there before your next adjustment (12 weeks?) - assuming your next adjustment up or down was based on bloods?

5. What did you use to determine you were at the right level. Bloods and vibes or other?

Cheers crew,
Boof

there are a million ways to run TRT. At the end of the day you have to make the decision on what's best for you. Some people even go bodybuilder TRT or sports TRT although those are more risky long term.

 

[thiefinthenight3]

Sounds like you want legit trt not “TRT”.
I was about 30 when I got on trt, same as everyone else, no interest in life, training was shit, mood was up and down, libido eh.

The thing is, true TRT dosages are quite a bit lower than you would be led to believe, 80-90mg will likely put you in a very good range.

Now, where it creeps for just about everyone, is that what about a little more, 150 will more than likely take you over the top of the ref range which is fine, but its where you can start to run into some e2 issues, bp issues if your susceptible, acne etc.
- albeit rare at that dose, but can happen.

Test e and c - whatever is easily available to you.

There is a part of this which is being honest with yourself what you really want, is it legit trt if yes - start at like 70mg and see where you go - how you feel, its a marathon not a sprint.

If like me you get a taste of that 100mg of test and go well shit I wonder what 400 feels like and so on thats fine too, but the approach is different

Hey mate

When you say ‘80-90mg will likely put you in a very good range’, can you tell me what you personally consider ‘a very good range’?

I know that the numbers can differ depending on who you ask

Thanks

 

[Dreamer]

Hey mate

When you say ‘80-90mg will likely put you in a very good range’, can you tell me what you personally consider ‘a very good range’?

I know that the numbers can differ depending on who you ask

Thanks

The thing with TRT is it isnt really a numbers thing, its being symptom free with 0 complication, but being over the top of the reference range is when it ceases to be trt really, 80-90mg would land you middle of almost all labs reference range most likely

 

[Boofy]

Symptom-free is definitely misleading in a lot of situations. Sometimes inside your body things are happening that may not show up as obvious symptoms.

@Ulter that's what my intuition has been leaning towards for a while. My lift strength/ rep gains and lean mass have really slowed over the past few years. I'm still jamming the gas pedal but the response has slowed when I'm ticking every box consistently shy of sleep from time to time and stress.

in my opinion you should run TRT correctly. Make sure your numbers are in line. If your estrogen is too high, that means that your TRT dose is too high. If your hematocrit is too high, it also means your dose is too high. I think a lot of people make that mistake. They run TRT too high and it causes more harm than good.

@ROIDDERS thanks bro. I'm not chasing size or gear gains. Just a strong, conditioned and capable mofo for the final few quarters.

there are a million ways to run TRT. At the end of the day you have to make the decision on what's best for you. Some people even go bodybuilder TRT or sports TRT although those are more risky long term.

@2Thick thanks bro- the difference being the base Test weekly dose and the levels at which users' levels sit at day to day?
More variables right, managing E2 and other sides? Seems to be a sliding scale at that point where users take many many things to try balance overcharged chemistry?

 

[LevButlerov]

No test mate - that's where I'm at.
Never ran Test before hence the thread.

Good info I think looking at this, we can do a test cycle, we can do 250mgs/week to start @Boofy

 

[2Thick]

@2Thick thanks bro- the difference being the base Test weekly dose and the levels at which users' levels sit at day to day?
More variables right, managing E2 and other sides? Seems to be a sliding scale at that point where users take many many things to try balance overcharged chemistry?

More isn't always better because the higher your dosage, the thicker your blood is going to get. It's definitely something to think about.

 

[Boofy]

More isn't always better because the higher your dosage, the thicker your blood is going to get. It's definitely something to think about.

With a high SHBG (63) would you suggest starting on the upper end of the standard 100-150 dose?

 

[2Thick]

With a high SHBG (63) would you suggest starting on the upper end of the standard 100-150 dose?

No but you can add a little bit of proviron, maybe 10 mg a day.

 

[Ulter]

@Ulter that's what my intuition has been leaning towards for a while. My lift strength/ rep gains and lean mass have really slowed over the past few years. I'm still jamming the gas pedal but the response has slowed when I'm ticking every box consistently shy of sleep from time to time and stress.

Yeah definitely man. A lot of times we have to learn our bodies before we can detect things that we think are happening.

 

[ROIDDERS]

@ROIDDERS thanks bro. I'm not chasing size or gear gains. Just a strong, conditioned and capable mofo for the final few quarters.

My advice is stick around and read the other logs and also listen to the podcast. It's a wealth of knowledge.

 

[ballin2504]

@Boofy only you can make the decision if you want to jump on or not. It's definitely something that is important to think about and if you do decide to go TRT, it's going to be a decision for the rest of your life.

Best way to put it brother

 

[stevesmi]

Best way to put it brother

yep short and the point