Approved Log Ostarine cycle 27yo Log

[Pmud]

Hey EVO family, I have been lurking for a while and have had the pleasure of talking with a few members. I have found EVO to have a great community that I would love to get support on my current situation from, as I’m still so new to this all.

Background:

27 years old, 184cm, started at 107.5kg now at 98.8kg, down 8.7kg in 9 weeks. Active job with 15,000+ steps daily on top of gym training and sport. Had to aggressive cut after a few months of holidays and just stupid food behaviours. Back on track now.

Goals are athletic recomp, lean down to 88-90kg, improve performance, then build lean mass on a Test E cycle.

Full Stack:

• Ostarine MK-2866 12.5mg daily sublingual (MrSarm 25mg/ml), started April 21
• Enclomiphene citrate 12.5mg every other day throughout cycle
• Retatrutide 2mg weekly up,
• KLOW 80mg blend 0.2ml daily subcut (BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV) for joint recovery
• Tadalafil 5mg daily
• Creatine 5g daily, fish oil 4g, magnesium glycinate, ashwagandha, D3+K2 5000iu, zinc, milk thistle 550mg, glucosamine 1500mg, B12 methylcobalamin

Pre Cycle Baseline Bloods, April 16:



|Marker |Result |Range |
|-----------------|-----------|--------|
|Testosterone |15.3 nmol/L|9.2-31.8|
|SHBG |31 nmol/L |14-95 |
|Bioavailable T |7.8 nmol/L |2.5-12 |
|LH |not tested | |
|Oestradiol |not tested | |
|ALT |22 U/L |<40 |
|AST |24 U/L |<35 |
|eGFR |81 |>59 |
|Total Cholesterol|5.7 mmol/L |<5.6 |
|LDL |3.8 mmol/L |<3.1 |
|Triglycerides |0.6 mmol/L |<2.1 |
|Vitamin D |58 nmol/L |50-200 |
|Fasting Glucose |4.4 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |

Mid Cycle Bloods, May 19 (Day 28 of cycle):

|Marker |Result |Range |vs Baseline |
|-----------------|-----------|---------|-------------|
|Testosterone |11.1 nmol/L|9.2-31.8 |down 4.2 |
|SHBG |10L nmol/L |14-95 |down 21 |
|Bioavailable T |8.5 nmol/L |2.5-12 |up 0.7 |
|LH |8.3 U/L |1.5-9.0 |normal |
|FSH |9.0H U/L |1.4-8.4 |slightly high|
|Oestradiol |170H pmol/L|<146 |elevated |
|Prolactin |171 mIU/L |45-375 |normal |
|FAI |111.0H % |14.5-80.3|high |
|ALT |33 U/L |<40 |up 11 |
|AST |23 U/L |<35 |stable |
|eGFR |88 |>59 |up 7 |
|Total Cholesterol|3.9 mmol/L |<5.6 |down 1.8 |
|LDL |2.7 mmol/L |<3.1 |down 1.1 |
|HDL |0.8L mmol/L|>0.9 |low |
|Triglycerides |0.9 mmol/L |<2.1 |stable |
|Fasting Glucose |4.7 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |stable |
|HbA1c |4.7% |4.0-5.9 |normal |
|Vitamin D |75 nmol/L |50-200 |up 17 |
|PSA |0.35 ug/L |0.25-2.00|excellent |

Sorry that formatting is rough I’m on mobile.

Observations:

Suppression: Total testosterone dropped about 27% from 15.3 to 11.1 at week 4-5. What’s interesting is bioavailable testosterone actually went up slightly from 7.8 to 8.5 because SHBG crashed from 31 to 10. Subjectively I feel pretty good, minimal suppression symptoms. There’s a slight reduction in libido and some brain fog but I’m in an aggressive caloric deficit so I think that’s the main driver rather than hormonal suppression.

Estrogen: Oestradiol came back elevated at 170 against a range of less than 146. No gyno symptoms at all, no nipple sensitivity, no puffiness, nothing. My thinking is the elevated estrogen is partly driven by enclomiphene stimulating more testosterone production which gives more substrate for aromatisation, combined with the low SHBG environment. Not currently using an AI and not planning to until Test E. Keen to hear the community’s take on this.

LH: Sitting at 8.3 which is normal range. This tells me enclomiphene is doing its job keeping the HPG axis firing during cycle. Gives me confidence PCT recovery should be fairly smooth.

Lifting: Push pull legs throughout, training has been genuinely great. Strength has held up really well during the cut, recovery between sessions has been noticeably better, and overall I feel strong in the gym. Compounds have all moved up from where I started. Happy with how the training has responded to the cycle.

Lipids: Probably the most impressive part of the bloods. Total cholesterol down from 5.7 to 3.9, LDL from 3.8 to 2.7. I’m putting this down to Retatrutide’s metabolic effects combined with the weight loss and quitting nicotine earlier this year. HDL is sitting low at 0.8 against a range of greater than 0.9, working on this with 4g fish oil daily and zone 2 cardio.

Liver: ALT up from 22 to 33, still within range but trending up. Running milk thistle throughout and will add TUDCA for any future oral compounds.

Overall: Really positive experience with Ostarine at 12.5mg as a first compound. It’s subtle but effective, particularly for muscle preservation in a hard deficit. Joints have responded well to the KLOW blend.

PCT Plan:

• June 16, last Ostarine dose
• June 16, switch enclomiphene to 12.5mg daily
• Run 4 weeks
• Bloods around July 7 to confirm testosterone recovery back to 15.3 baseline
• Green light Test E if testosterone recovered and estrogen normalised

Planned Test E Cycle:

• Test E 300-400mg/week, Monday and Thursday pins
• Aromasin 12.5mg EOD on cycle
• Nolvadex on hand for emergency
• TUDCA for any future oral additions
• 12 week cycle
• Start date approximately mid July pending PCT bloods

Questions for the community:

1. Oestradiol at 170 with zero symptoms, AI now or let it self correct post cycle?
2. Enclomiphene 12.5mg EOD during cycle and 12.5mg daily for PCT, is that sufficient given this suppression level?
3. Any red flags in these bloods before proceeding to Test E?
4. HDL at 0.8, beyond fish oil and zone 2 cardio any specific interventions worth adding?
5. FAI elevated at 111, primarily a consequence of low SHBG, anything specific to address here?
6. Any general feedback on the stack or sequencing welcome

Thanks in advance EVO fam, I’m excited to hear everyone’s thoughts and feedback. Let me know if you need more information on anything

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey EVO family, I have been lurking for a while and have had the pleasure of talking with a few members. I have found EVO to have a great community that I would love to get support on my current situation from, as I’m still so new to this all.

Background:

27 years old, 184cm, started at 107.5kg now at 98.8kg, down 8.7kg in 9 weeks. Active job with 15,000+ steps daily on top of gym training and sport. Had to aggressive cut after a few months of holidays and just stupid food behaviours. Back on track now.

Goals are athletic recomp, lean down to 88-90kg, improve performance, then build lean mass on a Test E cycle.

Full Stack:

• Ostarine MK-2866 12.5mg daily sublingual (MrSarm 25mg/ml), started April 21
• Enclomiphene citrate 12.5mg every other day throughout cycle
• Retatrutide 2mg weekly up,
• KLOW 80mg blend 0.2ml daily subcut (BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV) for joint recovery
• Tadalafil 5mg daily
• Creatine 5g daily, fish oil 4g, magnesium glycinate, ashwagandha, D3+K2 5000iu, zinc, milk thistle 550mg, glucosamine 1500mg, B12 methylcobalamin

Pre Cycle Baseline Bloods, April 16:



|Marker |Result |Range |
|-----------------|-----------|--------|
|Testosterone |15.3 nmol/L|9.2-31.8|
|SHBG |31 nmol/L |14-95 |
|Bioavailable T |7.8 nmol/L |2.5-12 |
|LH |not tested | |
|Oestradiol |not tested | |
|ALT |22 U/L |<40 |
|AST |24 U/L |<35 |
|eGFR |81 |>59 |
|Total Cholesterol|5.7 mmol/L |<5.6 |
|LDL |3.8 mmol/L |<3.1 |
|Triglycerides |0.6 mmol/L |<2.1 |
|Vitamin D |58 nmol/L |50-200 |
|Fasting Glucose |4.4 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |

Mid Cycle Bloods, May 19 (Day 28 of cycle):

|Marker |Result |Range |vs Baseline |
|-----------------|-----------|---------|-------------|
|Testosterone |11.1 nmol/L|9.2-31.8 |down 4.2 |
|SHBG |10L nmol/L |14-95 |down 21 |
|Bioavailable T |8.5 nmol/L |2.5-12 |up 0.7 |
|LH |8.3 U/L |1.5-9.0 |normal |
|FSH |9.0H U/L |1.4-8.4 |slightly high|
|Oestradiol |170H pmol/L|<146 |elevated |
|Prolactin |171 mIU/L |45-375 |normal |
|FAI |111.0H % |14.5-80.3|high |
|ALT |33 U/L |<40 |up 11 |
|AST |23 U/L |<35 |stable |
|eGFR |88 |>59 |up 7 |
|Total Cholesterol|3.9 mmol/L |<5.6 |down 1.8 |
|LDL |2.7 mmol/L |<3.1 |down 1.1 |
|HDL |0.8L mmol/L|>0.9 |low |
|Triglycerides |0.9 mmol/L |<2.1 |stable |
|Fasting Glucose |4.7 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |stable |
|HbA1c |4.7% |4.0-5.9 |normal |
|Vitamin D |75 nmol/L |50-200 |up 17 |
|PSA |0.35 ug/L |0.25-2.00|excellent |

Sorry that formatting is rough I’m on mobile.

Observations:

Suppression: Total testosterone dropped about 27% from 15.3 to 11.1 at week 4-5. What’s interesting is bioavailable testosterone actually went up slightly from 7.8 to 8.5 because SHBG crashed from 31 to 10. Subjectively I feel pretty good, minimal suppression symptoms. There’s a slight reduction in libido and some brain fog but I’m in an aggressive caloric deficit so I think that’s the main driver rather than hormonal suppression.

Estrogen: Oestradiol came back elevated at 170 against a range of less than 146. No gyno symptoms at all, no nipple sensitivity, no puffiness, nothing. My thinking is the elevated estrogen is partly driven by enclomiphene stimulating more testosterone production which gives more substrate for aromatisation, combined with the low SHBG environment. Not currently using an AI and not planning to until Test E. Keen to hear the community’s take on this.

LH: Sitting at 8.3 which is normal range. This tells me enclomiphene is doing its job keeping the HPG axis firing during cycle. Gives me confidence PCT recovery should be fairly smooth.

Lifting: Push pull legs throughout, training has been genuinely great. Strength has held up really well during the cut, recovery between sessions has been noticeably better, and overall I feel strong in the gym. Compounds have all moved up from where I started. Happy with how the training has responded to the cycle.

Lipids: Probably the most impressive part of the bloods. Total cholesterol down from 5.7 to 3.9, LDL from 3.8 to 2.7. I’m putting this down to Retatrutide’s metabolic effects combined with the weight loss and quitting nicotine earlier this year. HDL is sitting low at 0.8 against a range of greater than 0.9, working on this with 4g fish oil daily and zone 2 cardio.

Liver: ALT up from 22 to 33, still within range but trending up. Running milk thistle throughout and will add TUDCA for any future oral compounds.

Overall: Really positive experience with Ostarine at 12.5mg as a first compound. It’s subtle but effective, particularly for muscle preservation in a hard deficit. Joints have responded well to the KLOW blend.

PCT Plan:

• June 16, last Ostarine dose
• June 16, switch enclomiphene to 12.5mg daily
• Run 4 weeks
• Bloods around July 7 to confirm testosterone recovery back to 15.3 baseline
• Green light Test E if testosterone recovered and estrogen normalised

Planned Test E Cycle:

• Test E 300-400mg/week, Monday and Thursday pins
• Aromasin 12.5mg EOD on cycle
• Nolvadex on hand for emergency
• TUDCA for any future oral additions
• 12 week cycle
• Start date approximately mid July pending PCT bloods

Questions for the community:

1. Oestradiol at 170 with zero symptoms, AI now or let it self correct post cycle?
2. Enclomiphene 12.5mg EOD during cycle and 12.5mg daily for PCT, is that sufficient given this suppression level?
3. Any red flags in these bloods before proceeding to Test E?
4. HDL at 0.8, beyond fish oil and zone 2 cardio any specific interventions worth adding?
5. FAI elevated at 111, primarily a consequence of low SHBG, anything specific to address here?
6. Any general feedback on the stack or sequencing welcome

Thanks in advance EVO fam, I’m excited to hear everyone’s thoughts and feedback. Let me know if you need more information on anything

good start to the log @Pmud please share some pics of you with your face blurred, so we understand your base and guide you properly.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Why not just run the test e with the sarm run that as a cycle then come off and pct, why would you pct just to jump back on something thats a waste of time and money imo.

 

[Pmud]

good start to the log @Pmud please share some pics of you with your face blurred, so we understand your base and guide you properly.

Will do soon!

 

[Pmud]

Why not just run the test e with the sarm run that as a cycle then come off and pct, why would you pct just to jump back on something thats a waste of time and money imo.

Could you elaborate on what you mean bro? I’m 3 weeks from the end of ostarine. And you saying just add the test e now? And PCT after instead of running 2 PCTs? My idea was to get back to baseline bloods then start test E

 

[Noah Wixx]

Could you elaborate on what you mean bro? I’m 3 weeks from the end of ostarine. And you saying just add the test e now? And PCT after instead of running 2 PCTs? My idea was to get back to baseline bloods then start test E

The way u described that is run a sarm pct then go on test that is confusing me, why wouldn't you from the start run both is what i was saying, you are wasting money by pct then jumping on test, most people pct when coming completely off all compounds, not pct then get back on a compound.

 

[Pmud]

I get you, honestly you’re probably right I guess hindsight is 20/20. It was my first time dabbling in this space, so still learning. Probably would’ve done me good to post here first, but that’s why I’m here now lol.

So based on where I am now, 3 weeks left on Ostarine, would your recommendation be to just transition straight into Test E when the Ostarine finishes with no PCT in between? then do one proper PCT at the end of the full Test E cycle? does it matter that my oestradiol is already at 170 going into a Test E cycle?

Thanks for the help in advance! Appreciate this community

 

[LevButlerov]

Will do soon!

perfect

 

[Pmud]

perfect

 

[Pmud]

Forgot yesterday sorry made sure I got some pics as soon as I got up

 

[LevButlerov]

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you have a good base @Pmud and now lets share the actual bloods paper blur personal info

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
how much creatine do you use ed?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

 

[Pmud]

you have a good base @Pmud and now lets share the actual bloods paper blur personal info

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
how much creatine do you use ed?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

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Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. Will get the actual blood paper photos uploaded with personal info blurred shortly.

Diet — typical day:

Meal 1 — Breakfast 7am 2 slices Hermanbrot protein bread with butter and 3 eggs, roughly 545 calories, 43g protein, 6g carbs, 37g fat

Meal 2 — Mid morning 10am 260g Chobani high protein yoghurt, 156 calories, 27g protein, 9g carbs, 0.5g fat

Meal 3 — Pre workout protein shake, 150 calories, 30g protein, 4g carbs, 3g fat

Meal 4 — Dinner 200g chicken breast or high protein pasta or chicken roll, roughly 330-500 calories, 50-60g protein

Meal 5 — Before bed 900g YoPRO protein yoghurt, 500 calories, 95g protein, 33g carbs, 1.5g fat

Daily totals roughly 1,600-1,800 calories, 180-220g protein, 40-60g carbs, 40-50g fat. Aggressive cut targeting 88-90kg.

Other staples are - hardboiled eggs bananas, spinach, avocados, steaks, protein bars.


Some of my recent meals -
Chicken breast 200g:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
330	62g	0g	7g

High protein pasta with lean mince (estimated 150g pasta dry + 200g mince):

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~650	~65g	~60g	~15g

Chicken roll with spicy mayo and cabbage:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~500	~45g	~35g	~15g

Smoked salmon 100g + Chobani 900g:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~640	~115g	~33g	~8.5g

Rice 200g cooked + beef mince 200g:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~560	~48g	~45g	~12g

I will aim to track more meticulously from now on.

Training — Push Pull Legs 5-6 days per week:

Push day example:

Pec flys 68kg x 8
Incline DB press 22kg each x 8
Inside DB press 20kg each x 10
ISO lateral chest press 20kg each x 10
Cable pushdowns x 3 sets
Cable overhead tricep pulls x 3 sets
Overhead DB extension x 3 sets
Overhead shoulder press 20kg
Shrugs 20kg to failure

Pull and legs days tracked similarly, will log weights going forward and update weekly. Have legs today which is my strongest, usually maxing out leg presses, calve raises, supported waist squats at 200kg. now nursing an ankle so will track how I go today and get measurements on leg extension etc

Cardio: 3x per week, 60 minutes stationary bike. Yesterday covered 30.45km at 164 average BPM. Aware this was above zone 2, working on keeping HR 115-135 for HDL benefits but get carried away and feel lazy just cruising lol. Also 15,000+ steps daily from work on construction sites and walking the pup.
I usually have basketball training 2x week and 1x game however currently rehabbing a grade 2 ankle sprain, sitting out for 3-4 weeks.

Supplements:

Creatine 5g daily
Fish oil 4g daily
Magnesium glycinate 3 tabs nightly
D3 and K2 5000iu with fattiest meal
Zinc and B6 25mg daily
Milk thistle 550mg silymarin daily
Ashwagandha 1 cap daily
Glucosamine sulfate 1500mg daily
Psyllium husk 5g daily — yes running it
5mg Taurine daily
No vitamin C high dose currently, no digestive enzymes, no multivitamins and no probiotics. Open to recommendations on any of these if the community thinks they'd add value given the current stack.

 

[Pmud]

Here are my pre osta bloods from 16 April

 

[Pmud]

And my current bloods 4.5 weeks into Osta as of last week -

 

[Mobster]

Talk a bit about that cut you did too

 

[Pmud]

So I've been a smoker and vaper since I was 14 and one day driving to work I just decided that I needed to take action in my life and lock in, so I got on varencline and that really started it all. Then got on KLOW for my bad ankles and knees to try and get another few years of high level basketball in and it all just went from there.

I was 107.5kg on March 20 and currently sitting at 96.5kg as of this morning, so 11kg down in 10 weeks. Just over 1kg average loss a week, first few weeks of reta I lost a lost of weight quickly due to not eating and heavy cardio but have dialled it back to make it sustainable. I've been trying to do the impossible and gain muscle while losing weight and I actually believe I have, Osta has been huge here as I've managed to keep my strength up and in some cases actually gain some.
Reta at 2mg weekly which I've stayed on 2mg the entire time and haven't felt the need to titrate up at all.

Calories sitting around 1,400-1,800 depending on training load. High protein approach targeting 180g+ daily to preserve muscle during the cut. Carbs relatively low at 40-70g most days, fats moderate from eggs, avocado, salmon and mince. Training has been push pull legs 5-6 days per week throughout the entire cut.

On top of gym work I was playing Division 1 competitive basketball which added significant additional training load. Playing full games weekly plus training sessions and pickup runs. Basketball at my level is highly demanding cardio and conditioning wise, lots of explosive sprinting, jumping, and lateral movement for 60-80 minutes of game time. Some weeks I played back to back sessions including 8 quarters in one night. The combination of PPL training plus Div 1 basketball plus 15,000+ steps daily on construction sites meant total weekly output was extremely high throughout the cut. Even at 104-107kg I was able to win the MVP award last season and play touch football at a high level so I knew if I just properly locked in I'd feel and look great.

Currently im sidelined from basketball with a grade 2 ankle sprain re-aggravation, sitting out 3-4 weeks for proper rehab before returning. Replaced basketball cardio with 3x60 min stationary bike per week to maintain cardiovascular fitness during the rehab period.

Target is 88-90kg lean by the time I transition to Test E. At current rate projecting to hit that around mid to late July. Feeling great at 96.5kg, significantly better than at 107.5kg across energy, confidence, and performance.

Side note: Is it preferable that I log every day individually? Ive tracked everything today but unsure if I should do a weekly recap or a daily. Either is fine with me. Appreciate it!

Side note 2: Weight is what I weighed in this morning not median.

 

[2Thick]

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i think you have a solid base to work with. a lot of things from here you can do. you have a lot of flexibility @Pmud

 

[stevesmi]

Hey EVO family, I have been lurking for a while and have had the pleasure of talking with a few members. I have found EVO to have a great community that I would love to get support on my current situation from, as I’m still so new to this all.

Background:

27 years old, 184cm, started at 107.5kg now at 98.8kg, down 8.7kg in 9 weeks. Active job with 15,000+ steps daily on top of gym training and sport. Had to aggressive cut after a few months of holidays and just stupid food behaviours. Back on track now.

Goals are athletic recomp, lean down to 88-90kg, improve performance, then build lean mass on a Test E cycle.

Full Stack:

• Ostarine MK-2866 12.5mg daily sublingual (MrSarm 25mg/ml), started April 21
• Enclomiphene citrate 12.5mg every other day throughout cycle
• Retatrutide 2mg weekly up,
• KLOW 80mg blend 0.2ml daily subcut (BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV) for joint recovery
• Tadalafil 5mg daily
• Creatine 5g daily, fish oil 4g, magnesium glycinate, ashwagandha, D3+K2 5000iu, zinc, milk thistle 550mg, glucosamine 1500mg, B12 methylcobalamin

Pre Cycle Baseline Bloods, April 16:



|Marker |Result |Range |
|-----------------|-----------|--------|
|Testosterone |15.3 nmol/L|9.2-31.8|
|SHBG |31 nmol/L |14-95 |
|Bioavailable T |7.8 nmol/L |2.5-12 |
|LH |not tested | |
|Oestradiol |not tested | |
|ALT |22 U/L |<40 |
|AST |24 U/L |<35 |
|eGFR |81 |>59 |
|Total Cholesterol|5.7 mmol/L |<5.6 |
|LDL |3.8 mmol/L |<3.1 |
|Triglycerides |0.6 mmol/L |<2.1 |
|Vitamin D |58 nmol/L |50-200 |
|Fasting Glucose |4.4 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |

Mid Cycle Bloods, May 19 (Day 28 of cycle):

|Marker |Result |Range |vs Baseline |
|-----------------|-----------|---------|-------------|
|Testosterone |11.1 nmol/L|9.2-31.8 |down 4.2 |
|SHBG |10L nmol/L |14-95 |down 21 |
|Bioavailable T |8.5 nmol/L |2.5-12 |up 0.7 |
|LH |8.3 U/L |1.5-9.0 |normal |
|FSH |9.0H U/L |1.4-8.4 |slightly high|
|Oestradiol |170H pmol/L|<146 |elevated |
|Prolactin |171 mIU/L |45-375 |normal |
|FAI |111.0H % |14.5-80.3|high |
|ALT |33 U/L |<40 |up 11 |
|AST |23 U/L |<35 |stable |
|eGFR |88 |>59 |up 7 |
|Total Cholesterol|3.9 mmol/L |<5.6 |down 1.8 |
|LDL |2.7 mmol/L |<3.1 |down 1.1 |
|HDL |0.8L mmol/L|>0.9 |low |
|Triglycerides |0.9 mmol/L |<2.1 |stable |
|Fasting Glucose |4.7 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |stable |
|HbA1c |4.7% |4.0-5.9 |normal |
|Vitamin D |75 nmol/L |50-200 |up 17 |
|PSA |0.35 ug/L |0.25-2.00|excellent |

Sorry that formatting is rough I’m on mobile.

Observations:

Suppression: Total testosterone dropped about 27% from 15.3 to 11.1 at week 4-5. What’s interesting is bioavailable testosterone actually went up slightly from 7.8 to 8.5 because SHBG crashed from 31 to 10. Subjectively I feel pretty good, minimal suppression symptoms. There’s a slight reduction in libido and some brain fog but I’m in an aggressive caloric deficit so I think that’s the main driver rather than hormonal suppression.

Estrogen: Oestradiol came back elevated at 170 against a range of less than 146. No gyno symptoms at all, no nipple sensitivity, no puffiness, nothing. My thinking is the elevated estrogen is partly driven by enclomiphene stimulating more testosterone production which gives more substrate for aromatisation, combined with the low SHBG environment. Not currently using an AI and not planning to until Test E. Keen to hear the community’s take on this.

LH: Sitting at 8.3 which is normal range. This tells me enclomiphene is doing its job keeping the HPG axis firing during cycle. Gives me confidence PCT recovery should be fairly smooth.

Lifting: Push pull legs throughout, training has been genuinely great. Strength has held up really well during the cut, recovery between sessions has been noticeably better, and overall I feel strong in the gym. Compounds have all moved up from where I started. Happy with how the training has responded to the cycle.

Lipids: Probably the most impressive part of the bloods. Total cholesterol down from 5.7 to 3.9, LDL from 3.8 to 2.7. I’m putting this down to Retatrutide’s metabolic effects combined with the weight loss and quitting nicotine earlier this year. HDL is sitting low at 0.8 against a range of greater than 0.9, working on this with 4g fish oil daily and zone 2 cardio.

Liver: ALT up from 22 to 33, still within range but trending up. Running milk thistle throughout and will add TUDCA for any future oral compounds.

Overall: Really positive experience with Ostarine at 12.5mg as a first compound. It’s subtle but effective, particularly for muscle preservation in a hard deficit. Joints have responded well to the KLOW blend.

PCT Plan:

• June 16, last Ostarine dose
• June 16, switch enclomiphene to 12.5mg daily
• Run 4 weeks
• Bloods around July 7 to confirm testosterone recovery back to 15.3 baseline
• Green light Test E if testosterone recovered and estrogen normalised

Planned Test E Cycle:

• Test E 300-400mg/week, Monday and Thursday pins
• Aromasin 12.5mg EOD on cycle
• Nolvadex on hand for emergency
• TUDCA for any future oral additions
• 12 week cycle
• Start date approximately mid July pending PCT bloods

Questions for the community:

1. Oestradiol at 170 with zero symptoms, AI now or let it self correct post cycle?
2. Enclomiphene 12.5mg EOD during cycle and 12.5mg daily for PCT, is that sufficient given this suppression level?
3. Any red flags in these bloods before proceeding to Test E?
4. HDL at 0.8, beyond fish oil and zone 2 cardio any specific interventions worth adding?
5. FAI elevated at 111, primarily a consequence of low SHBG, anything specific to address here?
6. Any general feedback on the stack or sequencing welcome

Thanks in advance EVO fam, I’m excited to hear everyone’s thoughts and feedback. Let me know if you need more information on anything

@Pmud very normal to have cholesterol levels off. It doesn't matter whether you're using SARMS, steroids, or any other PED. It will normalize once you come off, hopefully, but even people who have never touched PEDs at all have cholesterol issues. That's just what we've come to have. The best thing you can do is get into great heart health with proper diet and exercise.

 

[Ulter]

So I've been a smoker and vaper since I was 14 and one day driving to work I just decided that I needed to take action in my life and lock in, so I got on varencline and that really started it all. Then got on KLOW for my bad ankles and knees to try and get another few years of high level basketball in and it all just went from there.

I was 107.5kg on March 20 and currently sitting at 96.5kg as of this morning, so 11kg down in 10 weeks. Just over 1kg average loss a week, first few weeks of reta I lost a lost of weight quickly due to not eating and heavy cardio but have dialled it back to make it sustainable. I've been trying to do the impossible and gain muscle while losing weight and I actually believe I have, Osta has been huge here as I've managed to keep my strength up and in some cases actually gain some.
Reta at 2mg weekly which I've stayed on 2mg the entire time and haven't felt the need to titrate up at all.

Calories sitting around 1,400-1,800 depending on training load. High protein approach targeting 180g+ daily to preserve muscle during the cut. Carbs relatively low at 40-70g most days, fats moderate from eggs, avocado, salmon and mince. Training has been push pull legs 5-6 days per week throughout the entire cut.

On top of gym work I was playing Division 1 competitive basketball which added significant additional training load. Playing full games weekly plus training sessions and pickup runs. Basketball at my level is highly demanding cardio and conditioning wise, lots of explosive sprinting, jumping, and lateral movement for 60-80 minutes of game time. Some weeks I played back to back sessions including 8 quarters in one night. The combination of PPL training plus Div 1 basketball plus 15,000+ steps daily on construction sites meant total weekly output was extremely high throughout the cut. Even at 104-107kg I was able to win the MVP award last season and play touch football at a high level so I knew if I just properly locked in I'd feel and look great.

Currently im sidelined from basketball with a grade 2 ankle sprain re-aggravation, sitting out 3-4 weeks for proper rehab before returning. Replaced basketball cardio with 3x60 min stationary bike per week to maintain cardiovascular fitness during the rehab period.

Target is 88-90kg lean by the time I transition to Test E. At current rate projecting to hit that around mid to late July. Feeling great at 96.5kg, significantly better than at 107.5kg across energy, confidence, and performance.

Side note: Is it preferable that I log every day individually? Ive tracked everything today but unsure if I should do a weekly recap or a daily. Either is fine with me. Appreciate it!

Side note 2: Weight is what I weighed in this morning not median.

Nice to hear that you were able to quit smoking. @Pmud it really is a disgusting habit and has no benefits.

 

[Pmud]

i think you have a solid base to work with. a lot of things from here you can do. you have a lot of flexibility @Pmud

Thanks bro appreciate that!

@Pmud very normal to have cholesterol levels off. It doesn't matter whether you're using SARMS, steroids, or any other PED. It will normalize once you come off, hopefully, but even people who have never touched PEDs at all have cholesterol issues. That's just what we've come to have. The best thing you can do is get into great heart health with proper diet and exercise.

Gotcha, yeah I’m trying to do a lot more zone 2 cardio work + obviously the biking. Trying to aim for 40k/hr over 1 hr at the moment to try keep my heart in check.

Nice to hear that you were able to quit smoking. @Pmud it really is a disgusting habit and has no benefits.

Probably the best decision I could’ve made, wish I did it earlier but better late than never. Literally everything body and health wise has improved since (shocker)

 

[Pmud]

Today’s Log -

Legs
10 minute warm up stretch
Leg extension 95kg x10
Outer hip abduction 153.5 kg x10
Inner hip advection 153.5kg x 10
Seated Leg press 200kg x 10
Seated leg curl 80 x 10
Calf raises 175 to failure (30ish)


Nutrition:
Meal 1 — 7am
1 slice Hermanbrot protein bread, butter, 2 scrambled eggs
Cals: 280 | P: 24.75g | C: 3.4g | F: 18g

Meal 2 — 9:30am
Protein shake
Cals: 150 | P: 31g | C: 3g | F: 2g

Meal 3 — 12pm
Jack Links Teriyaki Beef Jerky 50g
Cals: 137 | P: 17g | C: 13.1g | F: 1.8g

Meal 4 — 3pm
Smoked salmon 50g
Cals: 70 | P: 10g | C: 0g | F: 3.5g

Meal 5 — 6pm
150g cooked rice, 250g cooked lean mince, 1 egg mixed in, quarter avocado, quarter cucumber
Cals: 730 | P: 67.9g | C: 45.8g | F: 28.3g

Meal 6 — 7:30pm
Chobani high protein yoghurt 200g
Cals: 120 | P: 21g | C: 7.4g | F: 0.4g

Steps: 7600. Weak day step wise.

Cardio: Rest from bike today

Ankle: Day 4 of ankle rehab protocol, sitting out sport 3 weeks. KLOW twice daily continuing.

Notes: Heart rate hit 130 on 200kg leg press. Ankle managed well with machine based leg session, no direct ankle loading. Leg press 200kg full depth mid foot placement. Felt good.

Reta 2mg dosed today.


Let me know if this is too much or too little or how I should be logging. Cheers

 

[ceo]

Hey EVO family, I have been lurking for a while and have had the pleasure of talking with a few members. I have found EVO to have a great community that I would love to get support on my current situation from, as I’m still so new to this all.

Background:

27 years old, 184cm, started at 107.5kg now at 98.8kg, down 8.7kg in 9 weeks. Active job with 15,000+ steps daily on top of gym training and sport. Had to aggressive cut after a few months of holidays and just stupid food behaviours. Back on track now.

Goals are athletic recomp, lean down to 88-90kg, improve performance, then build lean mass on a Test E cycle.

Full Stack:

• Ostarine MK-2866 12.5mg daily sublingual (MrSarm 25mg/ml), started April 21
• Enclomiphene citrate 12.5mg every other day throughout cycle
• Retatrutide 2mg weekly up,
• KLOW 80mg blend 0.2ml daily subcut (BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV) for joint recovery
• Tadalafil 5mg daily
• Creatine 5g daily, fish oil 4g, magnesium glycinate, ashwagandha, D3+K2 5000iu, zinc, milk thistle 550mg, glucosamine 1500mg, B12 methylcobalamin

Pre Cycle Baseline Bloods, April 16:



|Marker |Result |Range |
|-----------------|-----------|--------|
|Testosterone |15.3 nmol/L|9.2-31.8|
|SHBG |31 nmol/L |14-95 |
|Bioavailable T |7.8 nmol/L |2.5-12 |
|LH |not tested | |
|Oestradiol |not tested | |
|ALT |22 U/L |<40 |
|AST |24 U/L |<35 |
|eGFR |81 |>59 |
|Total Cholesterol|5.7 mmol/L |<5.6 |
|LDL |3.8 mmol/L |<3.1 |
|Triglycerides |0.6 mmol/L |<2.1 |
|Vitamin D |58 nmol/L |50-200 |
|Fasting Glucose |4.4 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |

Mid Cycle Bloods, May 19 (Day 28 of cycle):

|Marker |Result |Range |vs Baseline |
|-----------------|-----------|---------|-------------|
|Testosterone |11.1 nmol/L|9.2-31.8 |down 4.2 |
|SHBG |10L nmol/L |14-95 |down 21 |
|Bioavailable T |8.5 nmol/L |2.5-12 |up 0.7 |
|LH |8.3 U/L |1.5-9.0 |normal |
|FSH |9.0H U/L |1.4-8.4 |slightly high|
|Oestradiol |170H pmol/L|<146 |elevated |
|Prolactin |171 mIU/L |45-375 |normal |
|FAI |111.0H % |14.5-80.3|high |
|ALT |33 U/L |<40 |up 11 |
|AST |23 U/L |<35 |stable |
|eGFR |88 |>59 |up 7 |
|Total Cholesterol|3.9 mmol/L |<5.6 |down 1.8 |
|LDL |2.7 mmol/L |<3.1 |down 1.1 |
|HDL |0.8L mmol/L|>0.9 |low |
|Triglycerides |0.9 mmol/L |<2.1 |stable |
|Fasting Glucose |4.7 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |stable |
|HbA1c |4.7% |4.0-5.9 |normal |
|Vitamin D |75 nmol/L |50-200 |up 17 |
|PSA |0.35 ug/L |0.25-2.00|excellent |

Sorry that formatting is rough I’m on mobile.

Observations:

Suppression: Total testosterone dropped about 27% from 15.3 to 11.1 at week 4-5. What’s interesting is bioavailable testosterone actually went up slightly from 7.8 to 8.5 because SHBG crashed from 31 to 10. Subjectively I feel pretty good, minimal suppression symptoms. There’s a slight reduction in libido and some brain fog but I’m in an aggressive caloric deficit so I think that’s the main driver rather than hormonal suppression.

Estrogen: Oestradiol came back elevated at 170 against a range of less than 146. No gyno symptoms at all, no nipple sensitivity, no puffiness, nothing. My thinking is the elevated estrogen is partly driven by enclomiphene stimulating more testosterone production which gives more substrate for aromatisation, combined with the low SHBG environment. Not currently using an AI and not planning to until Test E. Keen to hear the community’s take on this.

LH: Sitting at 8.3 which is normal range. This tells me enclomiphene is doing its job keeping the HPG axis firing during cycle. Gives me confidence PCT recovery should be fairly smooth.

Lifting: Push pull legs throughout, training has been genuinely great. Strength has held up really well during the cut, recovery between sessions has been noticeably better, and overall I feel strong in the gym. Compounds have all moved up from where I started. Happy with how the training has responded to the cycle.

Lipids: Probably the most impressive part of the bloods. Total cholesterol down from 5.7 to 3.9, LDL from 3.8 to 2.7. I’m putting this down to Retatrutide’s metabolic effects combined with the weight loss and quitting nicotine earlier this year. HDL is sitting low at 0.8 against a range of greater than 0.9, working on this with 4g fish oil daily and zone 2 cardio.

Liver: ALT up from 22 to 33, still within range but trending up. Running milk thistle throughout and will add TUDCA for any future oral compounds.

Overall: Really positive experience with Ostarine at 12.5mg as a first compound. It’s subtle but effective, particularly for muscle preservation in a hard deficit. Joints have responded well to the KLOW blend.

PCT Plan:

• June 16, last Ostarine dose
• June 16, switch enclomiphene to 12.5mg daily
• Run 4 weeks
• Bloods around July 7 to confirm testosterone recovery back to 15.3 baseline
• Green light Test E if testosterone recovered and estrogen normalised

Planned Test E Cycle:

• Test E 300-400mg/week, Monday and Thursday pins
• Aromasin 12.5mg EOD on cycle
• Nolvadex on hand for emergency
• TUDCA for any future oral additions
• 12 week cycle
• Start date approximately mid July pending PCT bloods

Questions for the community:

1. Oestradiol at 170 with zero symptoms, AI now or let it self correct post cycle?
2. Enclomiphene 12.5mg EOD during cycle and 12.5mg daily for PCT, is that sufficient given this suppression level?
3. Any red flags in these bloods before proceeding to Test E?
4. HDL at 0.8, beyond fish oil and zone 2 cardio any specific interventions worth adding?
5. FAI elevated at 111, primarily a consequence of low SHBG, anything specific to address here?
6. Any general feedback on the stack or sequencing welcome

Thanks in advance EVO fam, I’m excited to hear everyone’s thoughts and feedback. Let me know if you need more information on anything

@Pmud Bro, sometimes with estrogen you don't notice the symptoms until it's too late. Once you start noticing the symptoms, then you're screwed. You want to make sure your estrogen is balanced. That's my opinion.

 

[Pmud]

@Pmud Bro, sometimes with estrogen you don't notice the symptoms until it's too late. Once you start noticing the symptoms, then you're screwed. You want to make sure your estrogen is balanced. That's my opinion.

Thanks for the response man, do you think it’s worth getting some AI on hand or anything else? Is 170 worrying? Cheers

 

[ROIDDERS]

Today’s Log -

Legs
10 minute warm up stretch
Leg extension 95kg x10
Outer hip abduction 153.5 kg x10
Inner hip advection 153.5kg x 10
Seated Leg press 200kg x 10
Seated leg curl 80 x 10
Calf raises 175 to failure (30ish)


Nutrition:
Meal 1 — 7am
1 slice Hermanbrot protein bread, butter, 2 scrambled eggs
Cals: 280 | P: 24.75g | C: 3.4g | F: 18g

Meal 2 — 9:30am
Protein shake
Cals: 150 | P: 31g | C: 3g | F: 2g

Meal 3 — 12pm
Jack Links Teriyaki Beef Jerky 50g
Cals: 137 | P: 17g | C: 13.1g | F: 1.8g

Meal 4 — 3pm
Smoked salmon 50g
Cals: 70 | P: 10g | C: 0g | F: 3.5g

Meal 5 — 6pm
150g cooked rice, 250g cooked lean mince, 1 egg mixed in, quarter avocado, quarter cucumber
Cals: 730 | P: 67.9g | C: 45.8g | F: 28.3g

Meal 6 — 7:30pm
Chobani high protein yoghurt 200g
Cals: 120 | P: 21g | C: 7.4g | F: 0.4g

Steps: 7600. Weak day step wise.

Cardio: Rest from bike today

Ankle: Day 4 of ankle rehab protocol, sitting out sport 3 weeks. KLOW twice daily continuing.

Notes: Heart rate hit 130 on 200kg leg press. Ankle managed well with machine based leg session, no direct ankle loading. Leg press 200kg full depth mid foot placement. Felt good.

Reta 2mg dosed today.


Let me know if this is too much or too little or how I should be logging. Cheers

Nice job champ! I like the different meals that you're putting together. I haven't seen anyone with smoked salmon in a long time. @Pmud

 

[stevesmi]

Gotcha, yeah I’m trying to do a lot more zone 2 cardio work + obviously the biking. Trying to aim for 40k/hr over 1 hr at the moment to try keep my heart in check.

where is your resting heart rate at?

 

[Pmud]

where is your resting heart rate at?

55 bpm

 

[Pmud]

Nice job champ! I like the different meals that you're putting together. I haven't seen anyone with smoked salmon in a long time. @Pmud

Thanks bro! Yeah I love salmon and smoked is just so easy to snack on slowly.

 

[LevButlerov]

---

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it. Will get the actual blood paper photos uploaded with personal info blurred shortly.

Diet — typical day:

Meal 1 — Breakfast 7am 2 slices Hermanbrot protein bread with butter and 3 eggs, roughly 545 calories, 43g protein, 6g carbs, 37g fat

Meal 2 — Mid morning 10am 260g Chobani high protein yoghurt, 156 calories, 27g protein, 9g carbs, 0.5g fat

Meal 3 — Pre workout protein shake, 150 calories, 30g protein, 4g carbs, 3g fat

Meal 4 — Dinner 200g chicken breast or high protein pasta or chicken roll, roughly 330-500 calories, 50-60g protein

Meal 5 — Before bed 900g YoPRO protein yoghurt, 500 calories, 95g protein, 33g carbs, 1.5g fat

Daily totals roughly 1,600-1,800 calories, 180-220g protein, 40-60g carbs, 40-50g fat. Aggressive cut targeting 88-90kg.

Other staples are - hardboiled eggs bananas, spinach, avocados, steaks, protein bars.


Some of my recent meals -
Chicken breast 200g:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
330	62g	0g	7g

High protein pasta with lean mince (estimated 150g pasta dry + 200g mince):

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~650	~65g	~60g	~15g

Chicken roll with spicy mayo and cabbage:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~500	~45g	~35g	~15g

Smoked salmon 100g + Chobani 900g:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~640	~115g	~33g	~8.5g

Rice 200g cooked + beef mince 200g:

Calories	Protein	Carbs	Fat
~560	~48g	~45g	~12g

I will aim to track more meticulously from now on.

Training — Push Pull Legs 5-6 days per week:

Push day example:

Pec flys 68kg x 8
Incline DB press 22kg each x 8
Inside DB press 20kg each x 10
ISO lateral chest press 20kg each x 10
Cable pushdowns x 3 sets
Cable overhead tricep pulls x 3 sets
Overhead DB extension x 3 sets
Overhead shoulder press 20kg
Shrugs 20kg to failure

Pull and legs days tracked similarly, will log weights going forward and update weekly. Have legs today which is my strongest, usually maxing out leg presses, calve raises, supported waist squats at 200kg. now nursing an ankle so will track how I go today and get measurements on leg extension etc

Cardio: 3x per week, 60 minutes stationary bike. Yesterday covered 30.45km at 164 average BPM. Aware this was above zone 2, working on keeping HR 115-135 for HDL benefits but get carried away and feel lazy just cruising lol. Also 15,000+ steps daily from work on construction sites and walking the pup.
I usually have basketball training 2x week and 1x game however currently rehabbing a grade 2 ankle sprain, sitting out for 3-4 weeks.

Supplements:

Creatine 5g daily
Fish oil 4g daily
Magnesium glycinate 3 tabs nightly
D3 and K2 5000iu with fattiest meal
Zinc and B6 25mg daily
Milk thistle 550mg silymarin daily
Ashwagandha 1 cap daily
Glucosamine sulfate 1500mg daily
Psyllium husk 5g daily — yes running it
5mg Taurine daily
No vitamin C high dose currently, no digestive enzymes, no multivitamins and no probiotics. Open to recommendations on any of these if the community thinks they'd add value given the current stack.

training push is impressive going strong pec fly 68s is hard!

 

[LevButlerov]

Today’s Log -

Legs
10 minute warm up stretch
Leg extension 95kg x10
Outer hip abduction 153.5 kg x10
Inner hip advection 153.5kg x 10
Seated Leg press 200kg x 10
Seated leg curl 80 x 10
Calf raises 175 to failure (30ish)


Nutrition:
Meal 1 — 7am
1 slice Hermanbrot protein bread, butter, 2 scrambled eggs
Cals: 280 | P: 24.75g | C: 3.4g | F: 18g

Meal 2 — 9:30am
Protein shake
Cals: 150 | P: 31g | C: 3g | F: 2g

Meal 3 — 12pm
Jack Links Teriyaki Beef Jerky 50g
Cals: 137 | P: 17g | C: 13.1g | F: 1.8g

Meal 4 — 3pm
Smoked salmon 50g
Cals: 70 | P: 10g | C: 0g | F: 3.5g

Meal 5 — 6pm
150g cooked rice, 250g cooked lean mince, 1 egg mixed in, quarter avocado, quarter cucumber
Cals: 730 | P: 67.9g | C: 45.8g | F: 28.3g

Meal 6 — 7:30pm
Chobani high protein yoghurt 200g
Cals: 120 | P: 21g | C: 7.4g | F: 0.4g

Steps: 7600. Weak day step wise.

Cardio: Rest from bike today

Ankle: Day 4 of ankle rehab protocol, sitting out sport 3 weeks. KLOW twice daily continuing.

Notes: Heart rate hit 130 on 200kg leg press. Ankle managed well with machine based leg session, no direct ankle loading. Leg press 200kg full depth mid foot placement. Felt good.

Reta 2mg dosed today.


Let me know if this is too much or too little or how I should be logging. Cheers

love the meals

 

[stevesmi]

55 bpm

that is super good.

 

[Ulter]

Probably the best decision I could’ve made, wish I did it earlier but better late than never. Literally everything body and health wise has improved since (shocker)

better late than never. Hopefully you kick the habit forever.

 

[Pmud]

Today’s Log:

Today my mate wanted to do a chest + arms workout so I decided to do that. I did push two days ago so I took it relatively easy on weight but pushed hard regardless. I’ll do pull tomorrow or rest depending on how I feel. If I rest I’ll do 60 minutes on bike.

Gym: Bench press 70 x8
Bicep curl 25x10
Incline smith bench 70 x 10
Barbell Forearm curls 25kg to failure
Pec flys 61 x 10
Ab crunch machine 180kg
Single arm tricep pull downs 16.5 x 8

Steps: 8700

Sleep: 8 hours

Diet:
Meal 1 — Breakfast
2 slices Hermanbrot protein bread, butter, 2 scrambled eggs
Cals: 385 | P: 37.5g | C: 6.1g | F: 22.3g

Meal 2/5— Protein shake x 2
protein shake
Cals: 150 | P: 31g | C: 3g | F: 2g

Meal 3 — Dinner
161g chicken breast, 150g cooked rice, 105g black beans, 70g broccoli, quarter avocado, seasoning
Cals: 711 | P: 65.86g | C: 72.9g | F: 14.7g

Meal 4 — Dessert
350g Greek yoghurt
Cals: 385 | P: 29g | C: 17.2g | F: 0.7g

Day Total
Cals: 1,781 | P: 194g | C: 102.2g | F: 41.7g

 

[2Thick]

Thanks bro appreciate that!

You are awesome. I got a lot of respect for you.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thanks bro! Yeah I love salmon and smoked is just so easy to snack on slowly.

you smoke it yourself?

 

[ceo]

Thanks for the response man, do you think it’s worth getting some AI on hand or anything else? Is 170 worrying? Cheers

bros i would always keep AI on hand.

i had gyno a long time ago. it was bad i needed a bra lol

 

[ballin2504]

Hey EVO family, I have been lurking for a while and have had the pleasure of talking with a few members. I have found EVO to have a great community that I would love to get support on my current situation from, as I’m still so new to this all.

Background:

27 years old, 184cm, started at 107.5kg now at 98.8kg, down 8.7kg in 9 weeks. Active job with 15,000+ steps daily on top of gym training and sport. Had to aggressive cut after a few months of holidays and just stupid food behaviours. Back on track now.

Goals are athletic recomp, lean down to 88-90kg, improve performance, then build lean mass on a Test E cycle.

Full Stack:

• Ostarine MK-2866 12.5mg daily sublingual (MrSarm 25mg/ml), started April 21
• Enclomiphene citrate 12.5mg every other day throughout cycle
• Retatrutide 2mg weekly up,
• KLOW 80mg blend 0.2ml daily subcut (BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV) for joint recovery
• Tadalafil 5mg daily
• Creatine 5g daily, fish oil 4g, magnesium glycinate, ashwagandha, D3+K2 5000iu, zinc, milk thistle 550mg, glucosamine 1500mg, B12 methylcobalamin

Pre Cycle Baseline Bloods, April 16:



|Marker |Result |Range |
|-----------------|-----------|--------|
|Testosterone |15.3 nmol/L|9.2-31.8|
|SHBG |31 nmol/L |14-95 |
|Bioavailable T |7.8 nmol/L |2.5-12 |
|LH |not tested | |
|Oestradiol |not tested | |
|ALT |22 U/L |<40 |
|AST |24 U/L |<35 |
|eGFR |81 |>59 |
|Total Cholesterol|5.7 mmol/L |<5.6 |
|LDL |3.8 mmol/L |<3.1 |
|Triglycerides |0.6 mmol/L |<2.1 |
|Vitamin D |58 nmol/L |50-200 |
|Fasting Glucose |4.4 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |

Mid Cycle Bloods, May 19 (Day 28 of cycle):

|Marker |Result |Range |vs Baseline |
|-----------------|-----------|---------|-------------|
|Testosterone |11.1 nmol/L|9.2-31.8 |down 4.2 |
|SHBG |10L nmol/L |14-95 |down 21 |
|Bioavailable T |8.5 nmol/L |2.5-12 |up 0.7 |
|LH |8.3 U/L |1.5-9.0 |normal |
|FSH |9.0H U/L |1.4-8.4 |slightly high|
|Oestradiol |170H pmol/L|<146 |elevated |
|Prolactin |171 mIU/L |45-375 |normal |
|FAI |111.0H % |14.5-80.3|high |
|ALT |33 U/L |<40 |up 11 |
|AST |23 U/L |<35 |stable |
|eGFR |88 |>59 |up 7 |
|Total Cholesterol|3.9 mmol/L |<5.6 |down 1.8 |
|LDL |2.7 mmol/L |<3.1 |down 1.1 |
|HDL |0.8L mmol/L|>0.9 |low |
|Triglycerides |0.9 mmol/L |<2.1 |stable |
|Fasting Glucose |4.7 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |stable |
|HbA1c |4.7% |4.0-5.9 |normal |
|Vitamin D |75 nmol/L |50-200 |up 17 |
|PSA |0.35 ug/L |0.25-2.00|excellent |

Sorry that formatting is rough I’m on mobile.

Observations:

Suppression: Total testosterone dropped about 27% from 15.3 to 11.1 at week 4-5. What’s interesting is bioavailable testosterone actually went up slightly from 7.8 to 8.5 because SHBG crashed from 31 to 10. Subjectively I feel pretty good, minimal suppression symptoms. There’s a slight reduction in libido and some brain fog but I’m in an aggressive caloric deficit so I think that’s the main driver rather than hormonal suppression.

Estrogen: Oestradiol came back elevated at 170 against a range of less than 146. No gyno symptoms at all, no nipple sensitivity, no puffiness, nothing. My thinking is the elevated estrogen is partly driven by enclomiphene stimulating more testosterone production which gives more substrate for aromatisation, combined with the low SHBG environment. Not currently using an AI and not planning to until Test E. Keen to hear the community’s take on this.

LH: Sitting at 8.3 which is normal range. This tells me enclomiphene is doing its job keeping the HPG axis firing during cycle. Gives me confidence PCT recovery should be fairly smooth.

Lifting: Push pull legs throughout, training has been genuinely great. Strength has held up really well during the cut, recovery between sessions has been noticeably better, and overall I feel strong in the gym. Compounds have all moved up from where I started. Happy with how the training has responded to the cycle.

Lipids: Probably the most impressive part of the bloods. Total cholesterol down from 5.7 to 3.9, LDL from 3.8 to 2.7. I’m putting this down to Retatrutide’s metabolic effects combined with the weight loss and quitting nicotine earlier this year. HDL is sitting low at 0.8 against a range of greater than 0.9, working on this with 4g fish oil daily and zone 2 cardio.

Liver: ALT up from 22 to 33, still within range but trending up. Running milk thistle throughout and will add TUDCA for any future oral compounds.

Overall: Really positive experience with Ostarine at 12.5mg as a first compound. It’s subtle but effective, particularly for muscle preservation in a hard deficit. Joints have responded well to the KLOW blend.

PCT Plan:

• June 16, last Ostarine dose
• June 16, switch enclomiphene to 12.5mg daily
• Run 4 weeks
• Bloods around July 7 to confirm testosterone recovery back to 15.3 baseline
• Green light Test E if testosterone recovered and estrogen normalised

Planned Test E Cycle:

• Test E 300-400mg/week, Monday and Thursday pins
• Aromasin 12.5mg EOD on cycle
• Nolvadex on hand for emergency
• TUDCA for any future oral additions
• 12 week cycle
• Start date approximately mid July pending PCT bloods

Questions for the community:

1. Oestradiol at 170 with zero symptoms, AI now or let it self correct post cycle?
2. Enclomiphene 12.5mg EOD during cycle and 12.5mg daily for PCT, is that sufficient given this suppression level?
3. Any red flags in these bloods before proceeding to Test E?
4. HDL at 0.8, beyond fish oil and zone 2 cardio any specific interventions worth adding?
5. FAI elevated at 111, primarily a consequence of low SHBG, anything specific to address here?
6. Any general feedback on the stack or sequencing welcome

Thanks in advance EVO fam, I’m excited to hear everyone’s thoughts and feedback. Let me know if you need more information on anything

@Pmud nice start to the log man. I’ll be fowlloing along for sure

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Hey EVO family, I have been lurking for a while and have had the pleasure of talking with a few members. I have found EVO to have a great community that I would love to get support on my current situation from, as I’m still so new to this all.

Background:

27 years old, 184cm, started at 107.5kg now at 98.8kg, down 8.7kg in 9 weeks. Active job with 15,000+ steps daily on top of gym training and sport. Had to aggressive cut after a few months of holidays and just stupid food behaviours. Back on track now.

Goals are athletic recomp, lean down to 88-90kg, improve performance, then build lean mass on a Test E cycle.

Full Stack:

• Ostarine MK-2866 12.5mg daily sublingual (MrSarm 25mg/ml), started April 21
• Enclomiphene citrate 12.5mg every other day throughout cycle
• Retatrutide 2mg weekly up,
• KLOW 80mg blend 0.2ml daily subcut (BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu, KPV) for joint recovery
• Tadalafil 5mg daily
• Creatine 5g daily, fish oil 4g, magnesium glycinate, ashwagandha, D3+K2 5000iu, zinc, milk thistle 550mg, glucosamine 1500mg, B12 methylcobalamin

Pre Cycle Baseline Bloods, April 16:



|Marker |Result |Range |
|-----------------|-----------|--------|
|Testosterone |15.3 nmol/L|9.2-31.8|
|SHBG |31 nmol/L |14-95 |
|Bioavailable T |7.8 nmol/L |2.5-12 |
|LH |not tested | |
|Oestradiol |not tested | |
|ALT |22 U/L |<40 |
|AST |24 U/L |<35 |
|eGFR |81 |>59 |
|Total Cholesterol|5.7 mmol/L |<5.6 |
|LDL |3.8 mmol/L |<3.1 |
|Triglycerides |0.6 mmol/L |<2.1 |
|Vitamin D |58 nmol/L |50-200 |
|Fasting Glucose |4.4 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |

Mid Cycle Bloods, May 19 (Day 28 of cycle):

|Marker |Result |Range |vs Baseline |
|-----------------|-----------|---------|-------------|
|Testosterone |11.1 nmol/L|9.2-31.8 |down 4.2 |
|SHBG |10L nmol/L |14-95 |down 21 |
|Bioavailable T |8.5 nmol/L |2.5-12 |up 0.7 |
|LH |8.3 U/L |1.5-9.0 |normal |
|FSH |9.0H U/L |1.4-8.4 |slightly high|
|Oestradiol |170H pmol/L|<146 |elevated |
|Prolactin |171 mIU/L |45-375 |normal |
|FAI |111.0H % |14.5-80.3|high |
|ALT |33 U/L |<40 |up 11 |
|AST |23 U/L |<35 |stable |
|eGFR |88 |>59 |up 7 |
|Total Cholesterol|3.9 mmol/L |<5.6 |down 1.8 |
|LDL |2.7 mmol/L |<3.1 |down 1.1 |
|HDL |0.8L mmol/L|>0.9 |low |
|Triglycerides |0.9 mmol/L |<2.1 |stable |
|Fasting Glucose |4.7 mmol/L |3.0-5.4 |stable |
|HbA1c |4.7% |4.0-5.9 |normal |
|Vitamin D |75 nmol/L |50-200 |up 17 |
|PSA |0.35 ug/L |0.25-2.00|excellent |

Sorry that formatting is rough I’m on mobile.

Observations:

Suppression: Total testosterone dropped about 27% from 15.3 to 11.1 at week 4-5. What’s interesting is bioavailable testosterone actually went up slightly from 7.8 to 8.5 because SHBG crashed from 31 to 10. Subjectively I feel pretty good, minimal suppression symptoms. There’s a slight reduction in libido and some brain fog but I’m in an aggressive caloric deficit so I think that’s the main driver rather than hormonal suppression.

Estrogen: Oestradiol came back elevated at 170 against a range of less than 146. No gyno symptoms at all, no nipple sensitivity, no puffiness, nothing. My thinking is the elevated estrogen is partly driven by enclomiphene stimulating more testosterone production which gives more substrate for aromatisation, combined with the low SHBG environment. Not currently using an AI and not planning to until Test E. Keen to hear the community’s take on this.

LH: Sitting at 8.3 which is normal range. This tells me enclomiphene is doing its job keeping the HPG axis firing during cycle. Gives me confidence PCT recovery should be fairly smooth.

Lifting: Push pull legs throughout, training has been genuinely great. Strength has held up really well during the cut, recovery between sessions has been noticeably better, and overall I feel strong in the gym. Compounds have all moved up from where I started. Happy with how the training has responded to the cycle.

Lipids: Probably the most impressive part of the bloods. Total cholesterol down from 5.7 to 3.9, LDL from 3.8 to 2.7. I’m putting this down to Retatrutide’s metabolic effects combined with the weight loss and quitting nicotine earlier this year. HDL is sitting low at 0.8 against a range of greater than 0.9, working on this with 4g fish oil daily and zone 2 cardio.

Liver: ALT up from 22 to 33, still within range but trending up. Running milk thistle throughout and will add TUDCA for any future oral compounds.

Overall: Really positive experience with Ostarine at 12.5mg as a first compound. It’s subtle but effective, particularly for muscle preservation in a hard deficit. Joints have responded well to the KLOW blend.

PCT Plan:

• June 16, last Ostarine dose
• June 16, switch enclomiphene to 12.5mg daily
• Run 4 weeks
• Bloods around July 7 to confirm testosterone recovery back to 15.3 baseline
• Green light Test E if testosterone recovered and estrogen normalised

Planned Test E Cycle:

• Test E 300-400mg/week, Monday and Thursday pins
• Aromasin 12.5mg EOD on cycle
• Nolvadex on hand for emergency
• TUDCA for any future oral additions
• 12 week cycle
• Start date approximately mid July pending PCT bloods

Questions for the community:

1. Oestradiol at 170 with zero symptoms, AI now or let it self correct post cycle?
2. Enclomiphene 12.5mg EOD during cycle and 12.5mg daily for PCT, is that sufficient given this suppression level?
3. Any red flags in these bloods before proceeding to Test E?
4. HDL at 0.8, beyond fish oil and zone 2 cardio any specific interventions worth adding?
5. FAI elevated at 111, primarily a consequence of low SHBG, anything specific to address here?
6. Any general feedback on the stack or sequencing welcome

Thanks in advance EVO fam, I’m excited to hear everyone’s thoughts and feedback. Let me know if you need more information on anything

@Pmud Amazing start to log....looking forward to legit updates......

 

[Pmud]

You are awesome. I got a lot of respect for you.

Thanks man you’re a legend.

you smoke it yourself?

Nah but I want to get into smoking meats. Maybe something to look into.

bros i would always keep AI on hand.

i had gyno a long time ago. it was bad i needed a bra lol

That’s one of my biggest fears. Appreciate you sharing, definitely will keep that in mind!

 

[Pmud]

Today’s log-

Gym
Pull 29/05
Rear delt flys single arm 75x 8
Back shrugs on T bar 50 x8
Back row machine 41 x 8 (I’m unsure if
Lat pull wide side hand grip 73 x8 / 79x6
Pendulum lateral raises 45 x 10
Machine biceps curl double 67 x 6
Ab crunch machine 60kg

Steps: 9200

Sleep: Was rough, couldn’t sleep for ages and then was in and out. Not sure why, must be the moon.

Think tomorrow has to be a rest day, my body - while still feeling good - was definitely lagging a bit. I might just do 60 on the bike tomorrow.

Meal 1 — Morning shake
Shred protein shake
Cals: 150 | P: 31g | C: 3g | F: 2g

Meal 2 — Lunch
161g chicken breast, 105g black beans, 70g broccoli
Cals: 429 | P: 63.26g | C: 29.4g | F: 6.4g

Meal 3 — Snack
BSc protein bar 60g
Cals: 249 | P: 20.3g | C: 10.9g | F: 10.9g

Meal 4 — Dinner
Half of one protein pizza rectangle (~90g),

300g scotch fillet, broccolini 80g (Didn’t have the salad or the sauce, had to force myself to eat the whole steak and broccoli)
Cals: ~1,263 | P: ~80g | C: ~17g | F: ~45.7g

Day Total
Cals: 2,091 | P: 213.7g | C: 73.2g | F: 78g

 

[2Thick]

Nah but I want to get into smoking meats. Maybe something to look into.

my neighbor has a smoker. not sure though how healthy it is to smoke meat vs. other methods

 

[ROIDDERS]

Nah but I want to get into smoking meats. Maybe something to look into.

smoke it up for sure!

 

[ceo]

That’s one of my biggest fears. Appreciate you sharing, definitely will keep that in mind!

bros pretty common when you don't know what you doing back in those days