1-Andro Cycle

[Kingin23]

Hey guys. Currently 26 years old 5'9 weighing 173. I've done 2 epistane cycles with proper on cycle support and post cycle therapy about 5-6 years back and been natty since then. I've been looking into doing a test e cycle but I want to run 1 last oral cycle before popping my pinning cherry. Maybe I'm jus being a beotch and need to grow some balls but at the same time I wouldn't want my girlfriend to see me pinning myself as I live w her. I was thinking of running a cycle of TMX Andro by EPG Below is the ingredient profile:

3-beta-hydroxy-5-alpha-androst-1-en-17-one 110mg **
3b-hydroxy-etioallocholan-17-one 100mg **
5a-Hydroxy Laxogenin 25mg **
Accelerated Delivery Matrix Blend 300mg **
L-citrulline, Agmatine Sulfate, Bergamottin (6,7-dihydroxybergamottin)(dhb),Grapefruit (extract)

What do u guys think of this product? What would u recommend for PCT and on cycle support? If u guys prefer a different andro product I'm open to different options as well.

 

[Iwillrunyoudown]

I myself have never done pro-hormone anything. To harsh on the system. Plus, I feel as though the results would be out weighed by any side effects if i had any. But, Ive always heard good things about the 1-Andro as far results.

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[Masonic Bodybuilder]

These newer prohormones are very weak. They have a lot of marketing behind them but the results would not be close to your previous epi cycle. There are a few options here...

1. Go with sarms which are legal as research liquids. No pinning, minimal if any shutdown, and great results. You could start with the triple stack...Follow the triple stack as it is laid out here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate S at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com.

2. Run RS Transaderm as your test base. It is not as strong as AAS but it will get your levels into the high range. It contains a built in AI as well as fat burners. You will require a pct I'd you use this product. It is a topical product, so again no pinning.

3. Suck it up and pin! Go with a test only first cycle. This will give you the best results as long as your diet and training are dialled in. I would set it up like this...

Weeks 1-10
test c 500mg
aromasin 10mg eod

perfect pct - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct

 

[muskate]

The new line of pro-hormones are extremely weak. You aren't going to notice much from them - besides a lighter wallet. SARMS are pretty much the best legal alternative to steroids available. I would do an 8 week SARMS triple stack as outlined here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of aromatization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

 

[Kingin23]

Not a big fan of the S4. The vision sides turn me off. Even with the recommended 5 days on and 2 days off it must still be doing something to your eyes. I've been reading up on SARMS for a couple months now but I'm not 100% sold on it yet. I gained about 15 lbs off of my first epi cycle when my diet was very strict and about 5 on my second cycle when my diet was not so great.
I wasn't aware that the 1-andro was weak and was under the impression that I'd get good results from it. I want to loose some fat and gain about 15 lbs like my first epistane cycle do u think this can be achieved?
I've also been reading up on RAD140 but being that its new I don't want to b the Guinni Pig not knowing what the side effects will b in the future. I will look into RS Transderm. What do u guys think of LGD? Can you recommend a different stack?

 

[LevButlerov]

Not a big fan of the S4. The vision sides turn me off. Even with the recommended 5 days on and 2 days off it must still be doing something to your eyes. I've been reading up on SARMS for a couple months now but I'm not 100% sold on it yet. I gained about 15 lbs off of my first epi cycle when my diet was very strict and about 5 on my second cycle when my diet was not so great.
I wasn't aware that the 1-andro was weak and was under the impression that I'd get good results from it. I want to loose some fat and gain about 15 lbs like my first epistane cycle do u think this can be achieved?
I've also been reading up on RAD140 but being that its new I don't want to b the Guinni Pig not knowing what the side effects will b in the future. I will look into RS Transderm. What do u guys think of LGD? Can you recommend a different stack?

The Andarine S4 vision side effects are greatly overplayed, and in any case, they will go away in a matter of days after stopping the use of S4. Personally, I don't see any reasons to use prohormones these days - you get doubtful results with a lot of side effects. In such case, if you are ready to deal with all those side effects, makes more sense to use steroids right away. Otherwise, SARMS are the better option - you would be getting similar results to those with prohormones, but there are no side effects at all. LGD is a fine SARM to use if you want to bulk.

If S4 got you so concerned, then you could try the stack of Cardarine GW + Ostarine MK + LGD - it should play the trick.

 

[muskate]

Not a big fan of the S4. The vision sides turn me off. Even with the recommended 5 days on and 2 days off it must still be doing something to your eyes. I've been reading up on SARMS for a couple months now but I'm not 100% sold on it yet. I gained about 15 lbs off of my first epi cycle when my diet was very strict and about 5 on my second cycle when my diet was not so great.
I wasn't aware that the 1-andro was weak and was under the impression that I'd get good results from it. I want to loose some fat and gain about 15 lbs like my first epistane cycle do u think this can be achieved?
I've also been reading up on RAD140 but being that its new I don't want to b the Guinni Pig not knowing what the side effects will b in the future. I will look into RS Transderm. What do u guys think of LGD? Can you recommend a different stack?

The s4 side effects are extremely over blown. I have never experienced them. Most people who experience them are using way too high of a dosage. If you are using 50mg/day in a split 25mg AM 25mg PM dosage I highly doubt you will have any side effects.

 

[Kingin23]

The Andarine S4 vision side effects are greatly overplayed, and in any case, they will go away in a matter of days after stopping the use of S4. Personally, I don't see any reasons to use prohormones these days - you get doubtful results with a lot of side effects. In such case, if you are ready to deal with all those side effects, makes more sense to use steroids right away. Otherwise, SARMS are the better option - you would be getting similar results to those with prohormones, but there are no side effects at all. LGD is a fine SARM to use if you want to bulk.

If S4 got you so concerned, then you could try the stack of Cardarine GW + Ostarine MK + LGD - it should play the trick.

Might try this stack out. What kind of results do u think I might expect with this kind of stack? What kind of pct since the LGD is a little more harsh?

 

[LevButlerov]

Might try this stack out. What kind of results do u think I might expect with this kind of stack? What kind of pct since the LGD is a little more harsh?

Well, you would be getting good fat loss, some lean mass gains, coupled with a good boost in endurance and recovery. Perhaps you will get a little extra strength, but definitely not as much as with Andarine S4. As for the mass gains in numbers, it is impossible to tell, since there are so many factors involved, such as genetics, diet, training, sleep, etc. However, I can tell you that in one study with the elderly, where subjects were given 5 mgs of ostarine during 16 weeks, on average they lost 4 lbs of fat and gained 6-9 lbs of lean mass. This may not seem like much, but keep in mind that you will use 5 times the dosage, will follow a diet (which they did not), and will workout. So you have all the chances of making up to 15 lbs easily if you do things right. As for the LGD and pct, even though it is the harshest of the SARMS, it is still minimally suppressive, so you will be well off with the mini-PCT.

 

[Kingin23]

These newer prohormones are very weak. They have a lot of marketing behind them but the results would not be close to your previous epi cycle. There are a few options here...

1. Go with sarms which are legal as research liquids. No pinning, minimal if any shutdown, and great results. You could start with the triple stack...Follow the triple stack as it is laid out here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate S at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com.

2. Run RS Transaderm as your test base. It is not as strong as AAS but it will get your levels into the high range. It contains a built in AI as well as fat burners. You will require a pct I'd you use this product. It is a topical product, so again no pinning.

3. Suck it up and pin! Go with a test only first cycle. This will give you the best results as long as your diet and training are dialled in. I would set it up like this...

Weeks 1-10
test c 500mg
aromasin 10mg eod

perfect pct - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct

any reason y you prefer test c over e?

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

any reason y you prefer test c over e?

Nope. Pretty much the exact same thing.

 

[Kingin23]

Let's say I was to run the SARMs triple stack. What kind of diet will b beneficial for the most gains? Should I stick in a calorie deficit like I am now, as I'm currently trying to lose fat or should I go back to a calorie surplus and maybe do a clean bulk? I'm trying gain a couple lbs of lean mass while burn off some of this fat so my abs can b visible by the summer

 

[stevesmi]

Let's say I was to run the SARMs triple stack. What kind of diet will b beneficial for the most gains? Should I stick in a calorie deficit like I am now, as I'm currently trying to lose fat or should I go back to a calorie surplus and maybe do a clean bulk? I'm trying gain a couple lbs of lean mass while burn off some of this fat so my abs can b visible by the summer

sarms are very versatile and you can absolutely run a caloric deficit on them and not get the sides you would on harsher steroids

 

[LevButlerov]

Let's say I was to run the SARMs triple stack. What kind of diet will b beneficial for the most gains? Should I stick in a calorie deficit like I am now, as I'm currently trying to lose fat or should I go back to a calorie surplus and maybe do a clean bulk? I'm trying gain a couple lbs of lean mass while burn off some of this fat so my abs can b visible by the summer

Generally, with SARMS you will at least keep the lean mass even on restrictive diet. However, if you want to gain more, I would suggest going a bit over the maintenance calories, since you can still gain quite solid mass with the SARMS. The good thing about SARMS is that they are very good for recomping, so you should be able to easily pull off a clean bulk with some fat loss.

 

[muskate]

Let's say I was to run the SARMs triple stack. What kind of diet will b beneficial for the most gains? Should I stick in a calorie deficit like I am now, as I'm currently trying to lose fat or should I go back to a calorie surplus and maybe do a clean bulk? I'm trying gain a couple lbs of lean mass while burn off some of this fat so my abs can b visible by the summer

The laws of thermodynamics still apply whether you are using performance enhancing drugs or not. If you are trying to loose body fat, you are going to want to eat below a calorie maintenance. You can STILL put on muscle while loosing body fat with a proper diet and training program. Especially coupled with SARMS.

Focus on a high protein, medium carbohydrate and low fat diet.

 

[Kingin23]

I think I'm going to try the sarms triple stack along w a mini pct. I guess followingg that after recovery I will try my first test cycle. Until then I'll continue doing research. Does anybody here pin and live with their wife, girlfriend or signigant other? Do u guys hide it from them or jus tell them the truth?

 

[LevButlerov]

I think I'm going to try the sarms triple stack along w a mini pct. I guess followingg that after recovery I will try my first test cycle. Until then I'll continue doing research. Does anybody here pin and live with their wife, girlfriend or signigant other? Do u guys hide it from them or jus tell them the truth?

I will tell you this much - truth will always come afloat, no matter how well you hide it. You would be amazed with how the truth comes out in life, so it is best to let your wife/GF know right from the beginning. The key is to present your plans properly, so they will not look at you as a juicehead, and will understand how things work, because there are way too many misconceptions about steroids that may affect their reaction.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I will tell you this much - truth will always come afloat, no matter how well you hide it. You would be amazed with how the truth comes out in life, so it is best to let your wife/GF know right from the beginning. The key is to present your plans properly, so they will not look at you as a juicehead, and will understand how things work, because there are way too many misconceptions about steroids that may affect their reaction.

Agree 100%

 

[muskate]

I think I'm going to try the sarms triple stack along w a mini pct. I guess followingg that after recovery I will try my first test cycle. Until then I'll continue doing research. Does anybody here pin and live with their wife, girlfriend or signigant other? Do u guys hide it from them or jus tell them the truth?

The truth always comes out. Hiding PED usage (or anything) from your significant other is a horrible idea.