bloodwork during pct

[nervje]

hello, im currently in 3rd week of pct (1st week 100mg clomid/day, 20mg/nolva, then 6 weeks of 50 clomid, 20 nolva per day.)
I come off of a 2 year blast and cruise..i have used hcg for 2 weeks (500iu e2d) before i started the tablets.
I havent done bloodwork before unfortunately but did today and my results were
testosterone 2.02 ng/ml
(norm. range 2.53-8.03)
lh 0.1
(norm range 0.6-12.1)
fsh <0.05
(norm. range 1.0-12.0)

wgat shall i do now? does this mean thw clomid/nolva is bunk? is this normal bloodranges for pct? do i have to blast more hcg? please help

 

[jp4355]

You did your Bloodwork Too Soon, you still haven't recovered yet.

You need to wait at least 4 to 6 Weeks after finishing PCT to do Bloodwork.......................................................... JP
P.S.
It takes at least 4 Weeks for Clomid and Nolva to get out of your system.

 

[nervje]

yes but is it normal that test is already so low? and fsh and lh already low too?i thought during pct levels would be close to normal and drop after pct?

 

[stevesmi]

there are 2 possibilities that i see.

1. your shit is bunk because if you are on SERM's they should temporarily boost your LH, FSH and T levels while you are on them especially at those dosages

2. becuse you abused the shit out of roids your HPTA is shot and SERM's will not work for you. muskate had the same thing happen to him, we have discussed this on the podcast a few times. basically he ran roids too young and SERM's did nothing for him cause his HPTA was shot to hell

 

[nervje]

well if option 2 happened, what can i do?

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for infformation, i started at 20 years, 23 years now and i used never less than 500-750mg test per week

 

[muskate]

well if option 2 happened, what can i do?

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for infformation, i started at 20 years, 23 years now and i used never less than 500-750mg test per week

Listen to episode #1 of the evolutionary radio podcast -> https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/evolutionary-radio/id1071339501?mt=2

I talk about my story in depth.

This is what I recommend.
1. Run a really good PCT protocol. I recommend the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
2. 4 weeks after the PCT protocol, get blood work done. You need to wait at least 4 weeks after the PCT protocol to get blood work otherwise the PCT drugs are still in your system and will give the blood work a false reading.
3. If your testosterone levels are back in the normal range - awesome
If they are not, you are going to need to get on TRT. I DONT recommend self diagnosing TRT at your age. Book an appointment with your doctor and work with an endocrinologist.

Here is a good video for you to watch where I talk about TRT in depth -> http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...rone-replacement-therapy-(trt-hrt)-48402.html

 

[Justinjoe25]

Yeah deff some bunk pct meds with those LH and FSH levels. I know a lot of the vets will advise against my advice but after 2 years of stayin on AAS you might be out of options. check out some triptorelin, using 1 shot at 100mcg. Read a lot to see if the POTENTIAL cons outweighs the pros. I used it 3 weeks ago after a year and some change being on and man it's a miracle drug. If I choose to cycle again in the next year I won't do a pct without it. Just food for thought

 

[stevesmi]

well if option 2 happened, what can i do?

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for infformation, i started at 20 years, 23 years now and i used never less than 500-750mg test per week

so you started abusing steroids before your HPTA ever fully matured. you essentially burned your nuts. you can try to PCT but in my experience the chances of coming back are probably close to 0 simply because you ran ridiculous dosages for 3 years straight during a time your HPTA was trying to mature. it would be like shutting off your pool pump for 3 years straight and then trying to turn it back on and clear the water.. not going to happen.

this is why i tell guys to wait to use steroids at 26 or 27

 

[nervje]

well and in regards to fertility?
is this basically infertile forever or can i still get kids one day? if test levels wont ever recover, it wont be the end of the world for me since i would have to trt then of course, but does that mean ill never be fertile again?

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and of course it was a very bad idea to start this early - i cant change it anymore, of course i would if i could, but it is what it is and it would be nice if i get as much input her as i can get and the experienced people here help me out

 

[stevesmi]

^^^

you can go get your sperm tested but yes the chances of getting a girl pregnant later on will be less cause you will have less sperm. luckily when it comes to fertility it only takes 1 sperm

i don't want to make you depressed about this. and I'm not saying you can't come back. but i'm just saying the amount of steroids you used for the duration and based on your age, makes it a very difficult recovery. if you want to do it then i would run a long PCT that is like 3 months long.. follow the perfect PCT. start with higher dosages and taper everything down every 4 weeks. then after that 3 months continue using hcgenerate and wait 6 weeks then run blood work. if your LH is still shit then you are in trouble and you will probably just have to go on HRT for life

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would give it time and get the bloods 4 weeks after PCT. Sometimes there are anomalies like this. Yes, FSH and LH should be increased from SERMs but we don't really know anything until you get proper blood work done 4 weeks after PCT is complete.

In the case that you don't recover natural test then you are looking at TRT. Basically 1 injection per week for the rest of your life.