Bulking Cycle on 15%

[Tinkz]

Hey, whats up with everyone?

Well I´m here today to get an answer for my question. I´ve been looking around and asking people around different forums but never felt satisfied with their answers, so therefor I´m trying here. People seem to have knowledge here, specially the mods.

Anyway, the question I´m curious about is why people say that it is not good to jump into a bulking cycle when you are 15%ish body fat, does science say anything about it, have you guys had experience jumping into cycles with 15%ish body fat and never got the results you wished for?

I would really appreciate logical answers and explanations.

 

[gearhead]

bro because during bulkers you gain fat...if you're heavy already,gaining more fat is bad...

 

[lilwayne]

I've done cycles both heavier and leaner and I can tell you from my experience I always seemed to gain more muscle, even from a basic Test only cycle, when I was leaner. Maybe it was because when I was leaner I could see gains versus at a higher body fat percentage. I think without your diet being in check first, any gains made will be invisible. You may make strength gains, but no one can tell how strong you are if you don't look the part. It's not how much you bench - It's how much you look like you can bench.

 

[PTPT]

Plus estrogen related side effects are more common with more body fat.

With that said, I know alot of people that cycle with higher body fat, especially power lifters.

 

[NY REBEL]

Here's one good reason. Higher bf equals much higher rates of aromtaization. Higher estrogen, leads to many other problems. Cardiovascular issues in peticular..

 

[Tinkz]

hahahah! It's not how much you bench - It's how much you look like you can bench. I like that one!

Alright alright, i kinda get it and agree that it horrible getting more fat. I´ve got a bottle of GW-501516 (Cardarine). In your opinion, should i save it for the cycle or use it right now to lean up and loose the bodyfat that im currently holding?

 

[NY REBEL]

Drop the fat first bud. Definitely

 

[lilwayne]

Ditto about the powerlifters. Had a buddy of mine who was powerlifting and he looked like s**t, but he could pick up a car. So I guess it's a trade off, all in what your goals are. I want to not only pick up the car, but I want to look like the part too. All comes down to diet. I don't think any gear can outweigh a bad diet. But if your goals are just strength, then there are certainly meds that can get you there, but then the more meds, the higher risk for sides since bf % is already elevated.

 

[Tinkz]

Drop the fat first bud. Definitely

I´ve never used GW-501516 before while dropping bodyfat, i´ve always went the normal way without any tabs or drugs. Do you recommend using GW-501516 while cutting down?

 

[Tinkz]

Drop the fat first bud. Definitely

With Cardarine (GW-501516)? I´ve never used it before, always went the normal way, cardio and a good diet. And if yes to use of Cardarine (GW-501516), should i go 10 mg or 20 mg a day?

 

[NY REBEL]

With Cardarine (GW-501516)? I´ve never used it before, always went the normal way, cardio and a good diet. And if yes to use of Cardarine (GW-501516), should i go 10 mg or 20 mg a day?

It will definitely help. Go 20mg

 

[stevesmi]

totally depends on your goals.

if you only care about strength while BEING HEALTHY and are middle aged then 15-20% body fat is the sweet spot. anything over 20% you are fucking with your heart health and that's a no no

most of the bigger and stronger dudes in any gym fit that mold. they don't want to be skinny weaklings who care barely push 2 plates

 

[LevButlerov]

I would suggest to drop the fat first, and then start focusing on bulking. It will be much easier to gain lean-bulk if you begin with a lean body.

 

[Smokey McPot]

Hey, whats up with everyone?

Well I´m here today to get an answer for my question. I´ve been looking around and asking people around different forums but never felt satisfied with their answers, so therefor I´m trying here. People seem to have knowledge here, specially the mods.

Anyway, the question I´m curious about is why people say that it is not good to jump into a bulking cycle when you are 15%ish body fat, does science say anything about it, have you guys had experience jumping into cycles with 15%ish body fat and never got the results you wished for?

I would really appreciate logical answers and explanations.

There's nothing wrong with jumping into a bulking cycle at 15% body fat, but you'll be happier with the results if you dropped down to say 10 or 12%. With that being said you definitely have to get your diet in check before you start your bulking cycle. You will need to eat very clean so as not to gain too much more fat

 

[MikeSnow]

better off going for a recomp if your already kinda fat

 

[muskate]

Hey, whats up with everyone?

Well I´m here today to get an answer for my question. I´ve been looking around and asking people around different forums but never felt satisfied with their answers, so therefor I´m trying here. People seem to have knowledge here, specially the mods.

Anyway, the question I´m curious about is why people say that it is not good to jump into a bulking cycle when you are 15%ish body fat, does science say anything about it, have you guys had experience jumping into cycles with 15%ish body fat and never got the results you wished for?

I would really appreciate logical answers and explanations.

It isn't a good idea for a lot of reasons.

1. Running a steroid cycle at a high body fat percentage will put a lot of unnecessary stress on your body and organs. Especially your heart and liver.

2. The higher your body fat percentage, the worse your muscle insulin sensitivity is and the more likely testosterone will aromatize into estrogen (even with an AI).

3. Having a high body fat percentage is very hard on your body. Especially if you store a lot of your fat around your midsection.

I would first get your body fat percentage down to 10-12% and then run a cycle. For your exact situation I would run an 8 week SARMS triple stack cut cycle, followed by a mini PCT and then start a cycle. You can read up more on the triple stack here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

SARMS are minimally suppressive, there is no risk of amortization (therefore no estrogen related side effects) and legal to use. You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com

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With Cardarine (GW-501516)? I´ve never used it before, always went the normal way, cardio and a good diet. And if yes to use of Cardarine (GW-501516), should i go 10 mg or 20 mg a day?

20mg/day is a good dosage. 10mg AM 10m PM

 

[hurricane]

Hey, whats up with everyone?

Well I´m here today to get an answer for my question. I´ve been looking around and asking people around different forums but never felt satisfied with their answers, so therefor I´m trying here. People seem to have knowledge here, specially the mods.

Anyway, the question I´m curious about is why people say that it is not good to jump into a bulking cycle when you are 15%ish body fat, does science say anything about it, have you guys had experience jumping into cycles with 15%ish body fat and never got the results you wished for?

I would really appreciate logical answers and explanations.

more estogen problems with high fat percentages.ANd who wants to get fater then 15% bf? maybe a powerlifter but not a bb.

 

[jp4355]

I can tell you from 1st Hand Experience when I was a Competitive Powerlifter.
I never carried BF above 15%, because it was Too much of a Trade-Off.
And before any Cycle, I always Leaned-Out 1st down to 11 or 12%, and then started my Cycle.

These Days I try not to go above 12%, as you get Older it's the Worse Thing you can do......................... JP
P.S.
Higher BF% never ever Increased my Lifts.

 

[Tinkz]

I hear you all, im already started with my new diet with a goal of getting close to 10 - 12% body fat. ill not have any problems with this because i´ve done it many times before.

My next goal after that is to gain muscle mass. I always prefer to gain lean muscle instead of water , fat etc.. That being said i thought to go for anavar instead of dbol because i feel that it more safe for me and i wouldn´t risk getting gyno.

My Cycle Plan Would look like this



And after 12 weeks ill hop on that perfect pct cycle.

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I´d really appreciate any thought or tips on my cycle.

 

[Jrbdallas]

Hey, whats up with everyone?

Well I´m here today to get an answer for my question. I´ve been looking around and asking people around different forums but never felt satisfied with their answers, so therefor I´m trying here. People seem to have knowledge here, specially the mods.

Anyway, the question I´m curious about is why people say that it is not good to jump into a bulking cycle when you are 15%ish body fat, does science say anything about it, have you guys had experience jumping into cycles with 15%ish body fat and never got the results you wished for?

I would really appreciate logical answers and explanations.

15% body fat is already high. To the point where even using AAS is questionable. You will have many complications at a high weight like that. Bulking cycles probably mean wet compounds. If your already over weight why add more to that. Water weight, fat excetra

 

[stevesmi]

big difference between a competitive powerlifter who is trying to make their weight class and a gym rat powerlifter who just lifts cause they like pushing heavy weight

I competed too in powerlifting and I was 7% body fat at the time. I managed to stay in the same weight class while getting stronger over the course of 2 years.. that isn't easy to do and it required a lot of manipulation of calories and a lot of cardio. I would go into the day 3 pounds over weight.. and would starve myself all day and then run until I sweat out the rest of the weight. is that healthy? fuck no but I was competing

however someone who is 15% body fat and wants to be strong and be healthy can easily accomplish that.. 20% or more is too much.. but anyone who says 15% body fat for a middle aged man is fat is just stuck on the zyzz bullshit ..

most of the 40 and 50 somethings at the gym are 15-20% body fat. and they want to use some roids to help their lifts go up a bit more that is totally okay. again if you are 20% or more body fat then yeah you should definitely trim up to get into better shape. but 15%? that is fine .. some of you need to understand not everyone has the goal to be weak and look like a human penis

we live in a youtube culture where anyone under 10% body fat is skinny.. and anyone over 12% body fat is fat. you can't please everyone but you can do what the fuck YOU want that makes you happy. if someone wants to be skinny and impress the 18 year old chicks on the beach then who is anyone to judge? and on the flipside if someone wants to be 18% body fat but strong as an ox and be able to beat the shit out of someone who tries to rob them then great too.

 

[riprock713]

big difference between a competitive powerlifter who is trying to make their weight class and a gym rat powerlifter who just lifts cause they like pushing heavy weight

I competed too in powerlifting and I was 7% body fat at the time. I managed to stay in the same weight class while getting stronger over the course of 2 years.. that isn't easy to do and it required a lot of manipulation of calories and a lot of cardio. I would go into the day 3 pounds over weight.. and would starve myself all day and then run until I sweat out the rest of the weight. is that healthy? fuck no but I was competing

however someone who is 15% body fat and wants to be strong and be healthy can easily accomplish that.. 20% or more is too much.. but anyone who says 15% body fat for a middle aged man is fat is just stuck on the zyzz bullshit ..

most of the 40 and 50 somethings at the gym are 15-20% body fat. and they want to use some roids to help their lifts go up a bit more that is totally okay. again if you are 20% or more body fat then yeah you should definitely trim up to get into better shape. but 15%? that is fine .. some of you need to understand not everyone has the goal to be weak and look like a human penis

we live in a youtube culture where anyone under 10% body fat is skinny.. and anyone over 12% body fat is fat. you can't please everyone but you can do what the fuck YOU want that makes you happy. if someone wants to be skinny and impress the 18 year old chicks on the beach then who is anyone to judge? and on the flipside if someone wants to be 18% body fat but strong as an ox and be able to beat the shit out of someone who tries to rob them then great too.

Right on my friend.