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Been running test for 20 weeks last 4 weeks have been a cruising dose, haven't used hcg but have it on hand I'm coming off soon I don't mind spending money I've got clomid and nolvadex, what would my hcg dose be?? 2500ius every 5 days like piana says??
chadmack282
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Why run such a long cycle?
A test'-only cycle does not necessitate the use of HCG during PCT.
If, however, after a 20 week test'-only cycle, your testicles are noticeably shrunken, then go ahead and run 1000 units per week (broken into three injections per week of roughly 333 units per injection).
I would run that dosage for three weeks. If after three weeks, you notice that your testicles are not back to normal size, I would run the HCG for an additional week. Should your testicles not be all that shrunken at this point, then clomid and nolvadex should suffice.
you are taking advice from a dead guy who abused these things? think about this logically
and he is wrong. you don't use hcg during PCT under any circumstance if you want to recover. the simple reason why is it will DELAY recovery. it is a hormone after all
.. that would be like taking testosterone in pct.. yeah you feel better huh? well no shit. is that recovering you though? fuck no
now having said that lets be honest with ourselves here.
1. how was your HPTA's health BEFORE that cycle?
2. 20 weeks + esters means your pituitary glands were shut down for 26 some weeks straight.. that is 6 fucking months!!
3. in my experience (and i have a shit ton of it) any cycle exceeding 12 weeks is already tough to recover from. that is why i tell guys stick to 8-12 week cycles AT MOST. and i prefer 10 weeks for long esters. ya ya ya you are leaving gains on the table, but so what.
i would say it will take you a full 8 months to recover from that cycle, it can be done but it won't be fun. and it isn't about throwing a bunch of drugs at the problem either.. ONLY the body can recover. pct is designed to give you a soft landing
and he is wrong. you don't use hcg during PCT under any circumstance if you want to recover. the simple reason why is it will DELAY recovery. it is a hormone after all
.. that would be like taking testosterone in pct.. yeah you feel better huh? well no shit. is that recovering you though? fuck nonow having said that lets be honest with ourselves here.
1. how was your HPTA's health BEFORE that cycle?
2. 20 weeks + esters means your pituitary glands were shut down for 26 some weeks straight.. that is 6 fucking months!!
3. in my experience (and i have a shit ton of it) any cycle exceeding 12 weeks is already tough to recover from. that is why i tell guys stick to 8-12 week cycles AT MOST. and i prefer 10 weeks for long esters. ya ya ya you are leaving gains on the table, but so what.
i would say it will take you a full 8 months to recover from that cycle, it can be done but it won't be fun. and it isn't about throwing a bunch of drugs at the problem either.. ONLY the body can recover. pct is designed to give you a soft landing
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you are taking advice from a dead guy who abused these things? think about this logically
and he is wrong. you don't use hcg during PCT under any circumstance if you want to recover. the simple reason why is it will DELAY recovery. it is a hormone after all
now having said that lets be honest with ourselves here.
1. how was your HPTA's health BEFORE that cycle?
2. 20 weeks + esters means your pituitary glands were shut down for 26 some weeks straight.. that is 6 fucking months!!
3. in my experience (and i have a shit ton of it) any cycle exceeding 12 weeks is already tough to recover from. that is why i tell guys stick to 8-12 week cycles AT MOST. and i prefer 10 weeks for long esters. ya ya ya you are leaving gains on the table, but so what.
i would say it will take you a full 8 months to recover from that cycle, it can be done but it won't be fun. and it isn't about throwing a bunch of drugs at the problem either.. ONLY the body can recover. pct is designed to give you a soft landing
Rich did a lot of things right and told shit how it was. But Rich clearly did a lot of things wrong as well. Steve's point is well made here. Taking advice about anything in this realm from a guy who is dead before he turned 47yrs old, is well.....common sense NOT TO take his advice.
"2500ius every 5 days like piana says??"
I completely overlooked that part. I guess my mind didn't want to have to deal with it.
2500 units o' HCH every five days. Holy shit!
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Or, more to the point, like Piana said!
Wow!
Your HPTA is going to be pretty fried after a 20 week cycle. You are going to need to run a very good PCT protocol to recover
Look into the perfect PCT protocol. I would argue it's the best PCT protocol you can run -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html
Look into the perfect PCT protocol. I would argue it's the best PCT protocol you can run -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html
you are taking advice from a dead guy who abused these things? think about this logically
and he is wrong. you don't use hcg during PCT under any circumstance if you want to recover. the simple reason why is it will DELAY recovery. it is a hormone after all
now having said that lets be honest with ourselves here.
1. how was your HPTA's health BEFORE that cycle?
2. 20 weeks + esters means your pituitary glands were shut down for 26 some weeks straight.. that is 6 fucking months!!
3. in my experience (and i have a shit ton of it) any cycle exceeding 12 weeks is already tough to recover from. that is why i tell guys stick to 8-12 week cycles AT MOST. and i prefer 10 weeks for long esters. ya ya ya you are leaving gains on the table, but so what.
i would say it will take you a full 8 months to recover from that cycle, it can be done but it won't be fun. and it isn't about throwing a bunch of drugs at the problem either.. ONLY the body can recover. pct is designed to give you a soft landing
Logically... he took advice when he was alive lol
Speaking of Piana, he will have been deceased for one year as of this coming Saturday. So, since he's resting just a very few miles from here, a few of my friends and I are planning to pay our respects this Saturday. Yeah, it's already been a year. Wow!
As an aside. Those that made a career of riding his coat tails have all gone quiet (Macc who?)
I've been so preoccupied for most of this past year that I failed to take notice of that. But, yeah, it was wholly inevitable.
All you can do is run a full proper pct and see what happens.
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