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lancer55
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This is a copy and paste but I believe a good answer.
If you have Test that goes back into solution just fine when heated but re-crashes every time it cools, it can be one of three things:
1) The concentration of Test E is too high/low to support being completely dissolved by the oil
2) There are impurities in the solution that are triggering re-crystallization of the Test upon cooling
3) There are scratches or defects inside the vial that are acting as a trigger to recrystallize the Test
If you have Test that goes back into solution just fine when heated but re-crashes every time it cools, it can be one of three things:
1) The concentration of Test E is too high/low to support being completely dissolved by the oil
2) There are impurities in the solution that are triggering re-crystallization of the Test upon cooling
3) There are scratches or defects inside the vial that are acting as a trigger to recrystallize the Test
taylormade
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First I've heard of this.
If this occurs, how do you actually heat it up?
If this occurs, how do you actually heat it up?
Thanks for your email and for your custom. Sorry to hear about the crashed test, sadly the colder weather can cause crashing - it is easily remedied luckily, just an inconvenience for anyone who experiences it.
I normally put any crashed vials I have had in the past into a pan, fill it 3/4 of the way up the vial with water, and heat on a medium heat for 5 mins - it should not boil, but be close to. After 5 mins, turn the heat down to the lowest setting for a further 3 minutes, then off entirely and leave the vial in the water until the water has cooled, so a good 15 mins. This allows the hormone to resuspend without going from one extreme temp wise to another. In the middle of heating, if you have tongs you can pick up the vial and swirl it to ensure any hormone is lifted and resuspended.
The above never fails and will not impact your vial in any way. Sadly Benzyl Benzoate freezes at 16 degrees c, and if you leave a bottle of any type of oil, ie safflower, grapeseed etc in the garden overnight you will wake up to it forming a sludge, or it will be totally frozen. That is what essentially happens, the cold gets to the BB and freezes it, impacting the oil and then crashing the hormone.
Once you have heated the vial and it has been resuspended, if you keep the vial in a warm environment for the next 24 hours, ie airing cupboard with boiler wrapped in a towel etc, this just helps stabilise the oil, after that it should be fine, but please ensure its not exposed to any very cold temps, aside from that it should be all good!
Many thanks, hope the rest of your cycle treats you well
Cheers
GC
I normally put any crashed vials I have had in the past into a pan, fill it 3/4 of the way up the vial with water, and heat on a medium heat for 5 mins - it should not boil, but be close to. After 5 mins, turn the heat down to the lowest setting for a further 3 minutes, then off entirely and leave the vial in the water until the water has cooled, so a good 15 mins. This allows the hormone to resuspend without going from one extreme temp wise to another. In the middle of heating, if you have tongs you can pick up the vial and swirl it to ensure any hormone is lifted and resuspended.
The above never fails and will not impact your vial in any way. Sadly Benzyl Benzoate freezes at 16 degrees c, and if you leave a bottle of any type of oil, ie safflower, grapeseed etc in the garden overnight you will wake up to it forming a sludge, or it will be totally frozen. That is what essentially happens, the cold gets to the BB and freezes it, impacting the oil and then crashing the hormone.
Once you have heated the vial and it has been resuspended, if you keep the vial in a warm environment for the next 24 hours, ie airing cupboard with boiler wrapped in a towel etc, this just helps stabilise the oil, after that it should be fine, but please ensure its not exposed to any very cold temps, aside from that it should be all good!
Many thanks, hope the rest of your cycle treats you well
Cheers
GC
Warm water is the easyest, if you end up baking make sure you have a pin
in top to vent, but talk to the source or their rep first.
Brad.
in top to vent, but talk to the source or their rep first.
Brad.
Buggy2hot
New member
Perfect, complete answer right there. x2
good post!
Buggy2hot
New member
Glad you got it taken care of, bro.
Hopefully that takes care of your problem. You were offered some great advice in this thread
Good shit Lancer
Thanks for all the great advice. Truly apreciate it. So I warmed it up and it went back to normal again. Left it in a warm room. Checked today and it is starting to crystallize again. I looked at it very closely and noticed a small piece of something floating in it. I would think that this would cause this to happen. If I'm wrong, please tell me. I had the test shipped to me in stealth packs so I'm assuming what happened was when I was injecting the test in the vial. A piece of the rubber came off the inside of the top of the vial. is this going to hurt anything? Besides it crystallizing. Is it going to hurt the test by beating it up every time I want to inject? Thanks for all the input.
this is all spot on advice... nice post bro
krazieone56
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U don't want a vent when reheating. It can draw in moisture. Unsterile moisture into the vial.
1 quart sauce pan. Add 1" of water to pan. Bring to hardboil.
Turn off heat.
Set vial in upright. Leave for five min. Remove shake up. If some scrystals present. Then back to the water. Leave till room temp and it shud be good.
Well, last night I heated it again. Let it sit for an hour. Then transferred it into a separate vial. Obviously left the small chunk of rubber in the old vial. And it is still fine this morning. So the problem was the small piece of rubber that came off of the top of the vial and fell into the solution. It caused it to crysalized. Thanks again for all the help. Def. didn't want to lose a whole vial of test. Thank you again and great posts.
very good info buddy
What if the crystals are more like small rocks sitting on the bottom. Worth trying?
as a brewer of AS i can tell you that most likely it is due to crashing of the compound due to solubility issues i.e. not enough solvent or concentration too high to be suspended
thats if you have actual crystals...small rocks I have never experienced
if you have a sludgy gooey substance it can be impurities and or temperature issues although I attribute this to impurities
a simple remedy is to heat the vial and allow the crystals to be reabsorbed in the oil...this will work as you found until its time to use again and they "re-crash"
if you have access to some benzyl alcohol you can take a very small amount and inject into the vial this will act as a solvent and help to suspend the solution properly
Im talking about .2 or so on an insulin syringe
benzyl benzoate will also work
the sludge type of crash I will try to reheat but I normally discard
this has been my experience from years of brewing
thats if you have actual crystals...small rocks I have never experienced
if you have a sludgy gooey substance it can be impurities and or temperature issues although I attribute this to impurities
a simple remedy is to heat the vial and allow the crystals to be reabsorbed in the oil...this will work as you found until its time to use again and they "re-crash"
if you have access to some benzyl alcohol you can take a very small amount and inject into the vial this will act as a solvent and help to suspend the solution properly
Im talking about .2 or so on an insulin syringe
benzyl benzoate will also work
the sludge type of crash I will try to reheat but I normally discard
this has been my experience from years of brewing
