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cycle log - trying to prove the experts wrong

straightnasty

straightnasty

Banned
Cycle

anavar - 60mgs ed
t3 - 75 mgs ed
need2guard 7 pills ed
retard phentermine 37.5 mg ed
basic supps - magnesium , zinc , d3 , probiotic etc
pct - clomid , need2generate es - 4 weeks

start stats - mid 40's , 6'2 , 253lbs , 27%bf
goals - 220lbs , 15%bf

I'm on day 3 today down to 249, wont be logging in every day but will when I can . Plan on running for 6 weeks , Goals are to obv drop weight , lower bf % considerably and get a defined muscular look with hopefully visible abs , not shredded but athletic look like when I was younger. I disagree wth the consensus about running anavar at a high body % is worthless , it gets u stronger - which builds muscle - which burns more cals - which keeps u motivated and also is known to burn visceral fat . Hoping the t3 doesn't eat too much muscle.


tty soon
 
not sure where I said they are so dramatically strong for gains , ive taken it before and yes it def gives you a significant strength gain , enough to accomplish what I want ….and also have read/watched numerous articles and posts and videos of how powerful anavar is as an oral for strength , maybe not dianobol strong but who wants to look like a bloated mess
 
Easy with T3, it's a drug that can fuck you up. You need to slowly ramp up the dose to 75mcg over the course of a few weeks, then just as slowly to taper it down.

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Chemically Enhanced said:
Easy with T3, it's a drug that can fuck you up. You need to slowly ramp up the dose to 75mcg over the course of a few weeks, then just as slowly to taper it down.

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To me, it is wholly appropriate that T3 rhymes with idiocy. But to those who are bound and determined to use it, I always say - Go for it!
 
15% isn't that high. I have run it around there. Works great for strength gains and doesn't kill your energy which will help you shred that fat. Personally I would drop the t3 but that's just me.

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Hard89 said:
15% isn't that high. I have run it around there. Works great for strength gains and doesn't kill your energy which will help you shred that fat. Personally I would drop the t3 but that's just me.

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Agreed, on the 15 bf% but the op is starting @ 27%

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Missed that just woke up. That is a little high. The only steroid that actually makes me lose fat is tren. Unless I'm eating obscene amounts. And I wouldn't run tren at that high of bf or you would likely have a heart attack. Anavar on the other hand will help you train harder which will help you drop that fat. Keep a close eye on blood pressure and you should be fine. Maybe throw in some COQ10 to help your heart. And I would definitely scrap the t3. Eat slightly under maintenance calories, train hard, dumbells continue burning calories after lifting, and throw in a couple days a week cardio. Good luck, we all started somewhere.

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Hard89 said:
15% isn't that high. I have run it around there. Works great for strength gains and doesn't kill your energy which will help you shred that fat. Personally I would drop the t3 but that's just me.

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yes 15% is not wretched by any means... its not great shape to be using steroids but its not as though the person at that body fat is some fat slob either... they are on the cusp of being in pretty good condition, just not quite there but 27% and being A FOURTH FUCKING BODY FAT is wretched and has NO PLACE for steroid use whatsoever

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Eddie Haskell said:
To me, it is wholly appropriate that T3 rhymes with idiocy. But to those who are bound and determined to use it, I always say - Go for it!
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very very true... messing around with your thyroid in any shape or form, unless MEDICALLY PRESCRIBED is beyond being fucking ignorant... NOT TO MENTION the inclusion of phentermine... SMFH
 
dylangemelli said:
yes 15% is not wretched by any means... its not great shape to be using steroids but its not as though the person at that body fat is some fat slob either... they are on the cusp of being in pretty good condition, just not quite there but 27% and being A FOURTH FUCKING BODY FAT is wretched and has NO PLACE for steroid use whatsoever

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very very true... messing around with your thyroid in any shape or form, unless MEDICALLY PRESCRIBED is beyond being fucking ignorant... NOT TO MENTION the inclusion of phentermine... SMFH
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Yeah, why anyone, including pro-bodybuilders, use T3 is beyond me.
 
dylangemelli said:
yes 15% is not wretched by any means... its not great shape to be using steroids but its not as though the person at that body fat is some fat slob either... they are on the cusp of being in pretty good condition, just not quite there but 27% and being A FOURTH FUCKING BODY FAT is wretched and has NO PLACE for steroid use whatsoever

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very very true... messing around with your thyroid in any shape or form, unless MEDICALLY PRESCRIBED is beyond being fucking ignorant... NOT TO MENTION the inclusion of phentermine... SMFH
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I definitely agree with dylan. If you are going to do this anyway. Which I would hope you would adjust the cycle greatly. If not try a more natural approach like N2Burn and heavy cardio. Proper eating and get yourself to better numbers first. "The experts" are trying to save you from cardiac arrest. It has nothing to do with whether anavar will work or not. Of course it will work it's a fucking steroid. But you just might need a new, smaller tux for your funeral.

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Hard89 said:
I definitely agree with dylan. If you are going to do this anyway. Which I would hope you would adjust the cycle greatly. If not try a more natural approach like N2Burn and heavy cardio. Proper eating and get yourself to better numbers first. "The experts" are trying to save you from cardiac arrest. It has nothing to do with whether anavar will work or not. Of course it will work it's a fucking steroid. But you just might need a new, smaller tux for your funeral.

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absolutely... like i said, just a complete disregard for FUTURE problems.. i hate to see people that are just fully intent on learning the hard way...
 
straightnasty said:
Cycle

anavar - 60mgs ed
t3 - 75 mgs ed
need2guard 7 pills ed
retard phentermine 37.5 mg ed
basic supps - magnesium , zinc , d3 , probiotic etc
pct - clomid , need2generate es - 4 weeks

start stats - mid 40's , 6'2 , 253lbs , 27%bf
goals - 220lbs , 15%bf

I'm on day 3 today down to 249, wont be logging in every day but will when I can . Plan on running for 6 weeks , Goals are to obv drop weight , lower bf % considerably and get a defined muscular look with hopefully visible abs , not shredded but athletic look like when I was younger. I disagree wth the consensus about running anavar at a high body % is worthless , it gets u stronger - which builds muscle - which burns more cals - which keeps u motivated and also is known to burn visceral fat . Hoping the t3 doesn't eat too much muscle.


tty soon
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Good luck trying to prove the experts wrong, it will never happen


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Eddie Haskell said:
Yeah, why anyone, including pro-bodybuilders, use T3 is beyond me.
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Well...T3 works. There is no denying that. The problem is that you are basically robing Peter to pay Paul.

T3 works, but can also mess your own thyroid production. That's why so many competitors balloon up like crazy post show
 
Fella Finn said:
Well, he's not gonna listen us anyway so we might as well stay around and see how things pan out.
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In for the lols.

Unless he's an absolute freak of nature (which given his stats seems unlikely) it's simply the law of averages. I'll cite a mentor (roid guru Mick Hart). 'If I've coached and advised 1000's of athletes and seen the results why do others think they know better'. This, as per the title, is a good example.

He's too heavy (aka fat) and will NOT get to 15% using 'Var'. Diet will. And he should have started and ended with diet to get from 27% (or one fourth as per Dylan's reply) to 15% and THEN added Var.
 
Mobster said:
In for the lols...
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You already know what to do.

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you will drop body weight here for these reasons:

1. you are exercising more
2. you probably are eating in a deficit
3. using the T3

however the bad news is you will gain the weight back when you come off for these reasons:

1. homeostasis (unless you were leaner before and recently got fat).. but if you been this fat for a while you can't fight homeostasis this way
2. deficit eating does not boost weight loss long term (our bodies are like furnaces and will adjust)
3. var will shut down your HPTA so now your body will need to gain fat to help it recover back
4. when you come off T3 your thyroid will be slower

so really you are only hurting yourself running this... you can lose fat long term by changing your diet lifestyle. learning how to eat, when to eat, and what to eat. this is how you do it
 
dylangemelli said:
well... simply put, they have ZERO care about any consequences whatsoever, especially long term.. these guys could care less about anything other than right now... at whatever cost that may be...
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That reminds me of an episode of "Ask the Doc" concerning high dose juice use in which Dr. Rand said, and I paraphrase, "The guys that got in, used tons of steroids, made their money and then got out of the business are still alive. The guys who stayed in and kept going much longer are all dead."
 
Thanks to all the expert replies , if you could all post your college degrees and phd's it would just add that much more to the degree of your knowledge :) off to the gym shortly for some cardio .

lmao at using needtoburn … need2 has 3-4 decent products and that's not one
lmao qtr bf % yet I would smoke you in every athletic event , at 15% ill be back to combine levels
lmao at eddie haskill , period , your just an absolute clown and negative about everything
lmao at mobster ive told u before ur just a grumpy ol man , smile will ya

enjoy your day fellas
 
No one said you wasn't (if true) able to run quickly. What we said, and have said many many times, is being lean is always better. And it was YOUR info that says you're 1/4 fat. And it's YOUR idea that you're gonna prove the wealth of knowledge and experience of every one trying to help you here (and indeed most sites) wrong.

Your cycle is, as I've used Var, better for strength than fat burning or athletic gains.

Post your degree first LOL (here's my smile :D )
 
Mobster said:
No one said you wasn't (if true) able to run quickly. What we said, and have said many many times, is being lean is always better. And it was YOUR info that says you're 1/4 fat. And it's YOUR idea that you're gonna prove the wealth of knowledge and experience of every one trying to help you here (and indeed most sites) wrong.

Your cycle is, as I've used Var, better for strength than fat burning or athletic gains.

Post your degree first LOL (here's my smile :D )
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mobster - I agree lean is better and that's my intentions , my main point here is that I want to show that I can have great results at 25% bf taking anavar , I will lean out , not lose a ton of strength and after everything is said and done be a better version of me in 6-8 weeks and continue bettering myself after.

****I just hate hearing " oh , you have to be this or that bf% , its going to be worthless , you'll see no results "


Another thing …. Some of the food that's discussed on various sites , ya know what ….. no one really knows whats good for us or not its all a myth and guessing game , everyone is different. Please watch "WHAT THE HEALTH" on Netflix , its crazy if its true !!!!!!
 
straightnasty said:
mobster - I agree lean is better and that's my intentions , my main point here is that I want to show that I can have great results at 25% bf taking anavar , I will lean out , not lose a ton of strength and after everything is said and done be a better version of me in 6-8 weeks and continue bettering myself after.

****I just hate hearing " oh , you have to be this or that bf% , its going to be worthless , you'll see no results "


Another thing …. Some of the food that's discussed on various sites , ya know what ….. no one really knows whats good for us or not its all a myth and guessing game , everyone is different. Please watch "WHAT THE HEALTH" on Netflix , its crazy if its true !!!!!!
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Like I said in an earlier post you're setting out to be different. Advice is based on the other thousands and thousands.
 
i honestly don't see the point of this thread.

if you are going to do this, then do it man.

if you notice at any franchise gym most guys are on tons of roids, and/or have used tons of roids.. and they look like shit. either they are perma bulker types who are just big and strong and fat. or they are those bird chest guys who look like shit. they think taking 12 weeks of steroids will turn them into arnold, what they don't understand is that it takes years to build muscle.

heck you can buy steroids at the corner pharmacy in mexico and many 3rd world countries like pakistan for example.. yet it is funny how people there aren't all walking around jacked and ripped. so yes steroid are highly overrated.. they are a tool. its like giving an accountant a hammer and nails and telling him to build a staircase. no matter how hard he tries and it could be the most expensive hammer and best nails, his staircase will likely be a disaster
 
straightnasty said:
Cycle

anavar - 60mgs ed
t3 - 75 mgs ed
need2guard 7 pills ed
retard phentermine 37.5 mg ed
basic supps - magnesium , zinc , d3 , probiotic etc
pct - clomid , need2generate es - 4 weeks

start stats - mid 40's , 6'2 , 253lbs , 27%bf
goals - 220lbs , 15%bf

I'm on day 3 today down to 249, wont be logging in every day but will when I can . Plan on running for 6 weeks , Goals are to obv drop weight , lower bf % considerably and get a defined muscular look with hopefully visible abs , not shredded but athletic look like when I was younger. I disagree wth the consensus about running anavar at a high body % is worthless , it gets u stronger - which builds muscle - which burns more cals - which keeps u motivated and also is known to burn visceral fat . Hoping the t3 doesn't eat too much muscle.


tty soon
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trying to prove experts wrong? with what? an anavar only cycle with t3?
losing weight is not difficult at all .. with or without drugs .. I'd rather use them to build muscle or get shredded ..
why not push it to 12 weeks with some test? still scared of needles at your age?
 
aestheticdream said:
trying to prove experts wrong? with what? an anavar only cycle with t3?
losing weight is not difficult at all .. with or without drugs .. I'd rather use them to build muscle or get shredded ..
why not push it to 12 weeks with some test? still scared of needles at your age?
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are u unable to comprehend what has been written ….., to prove its not worthless to run gear why being at a high bf% .
 
stevesmi said:
i honestly don't see the point of this thread.

if you are going to do this, then do it man.

if you notice at any franchise gym most guys are on tons of roids, and/or have used tons of roids.. and they look like shit. either they are perma bulker types who are just big and strong and fat. or they are those bird chest guys who look like shit. they think taking 12 weeks of steroids will turn them into arnold, what they don't understand is that it takes years to build muscle.

heck you can buy steroids at the corner pharmacy in mexico and many 3rd world countries like pakistan for example.. yet it is funny how people there aren't all walking around jacked and ripped. so yes steroid are highly overrated.. they are a tool. its like giving an accountant a hammer and nails and telling him to build a staircase. no matter how hard he tries and it could be the most expensive hammer and best nails, his staircase will likely be a disaster
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didn't know it was a pointless thread , yes I am going to do it , just figured id start a thread for others that come on here and ask questions pertaining to use of gear at a high bf% , and automatically get bullied . Or talked down to by guys with average to normal everyday physiques but think cause they read off a google search or wiki search that they know everything lol and the main thing …. told they wont see any results , not everyone is trying to step on stage or have 100's of veins popping out of them etc ...that's all stevesmi ….
 
straightnasty said:
didn't know it was a pointless thread , yes I am going to do it , just figured id start a thread for others that come on here and ask questions pertaining to use of gear at a high bf% , and automatically get bullied . Or talked down to by guys with average to normal everyday physiques but think cause they read off a google search or wiki search that they know everything lol and the main thing …. told they wont see any results , not everyone is trying to step on stage or have 100's of veins popping out of them etc ...that's all stevesmi ….
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In essence you're creating a false narrative. Some of us have been doing this a LONG time and get our info from both those who have done it even longer plus our own experiences. I said that even if you're a very lucky fella with great genes you'd STILL being doing it. Cos you'd give hope to all the 15 year old steroid taking idiots who are too young (we've had 12 year olds on here) who need to wait until they're 25 and those who are over weight and want to use a drug and not hard work and a diet to get in shape.

That's without the science. And that says ESTROGEN will BITE YOUR ASS if you're carrying too much fat and then use steroids.

And what's with the 'bullied' BS? Don't turn into a fkin snowflake FFS. If people come here full of hope and thinking a roid will drop 10+ percent of fat without them doing f'all and we 'the bully's' put them right we're doing them a damn favor. Oh no we crushed their dreams... lets all 'prove them wrong and use drugs and it'll be ok'. Get the f**k out of here. I mean c'mon.
 
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mobster …. then I will be a man and say I didn't get the results I wanted and if I feel that being at a high bf% was a main cause of that then ill say it , but I don't see that happening , I have some incentive $$$$$ riding on this with a few friends and when I set my mind to something rarely do I fail .



the "great genes" thing is out of the question , I have terrible genes .


the main factor as of now that is causing some struggle is the appetite that anavar is causing , the phentermine isn't killing it , but I will overcome it or just do another 20-30 on the mill
 
It isn't necessarily that running gear at a higher body fat is "useless" but it is problematic. Being at a high body fat means that there are underlying issues that need to be taken care of first. The main is going to be diet. In this case it sounds like you lack motivation and are using the cycle as that.
 
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didn't know it was a pointless thread , yes I am going to do it , just figured id start a thread for others that come on here and ask questions pertaining to use of gear at a high bf% , and automatically get bullied . Or talked down to by guys with average to normal everyday physiques but think cause they read off a google search or wiki search that they know everything lol and the main thing …. told they wont see any results , not everyone is trying to step on stage or have 100's of veins popping out of them etc ...that's all stevesmi ….
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the only way you go from fat to ripped in this short of a time is if you did one of those scam transformations where you were ripped to start, ate mcdonalds for a month and got fat.. then went back to eating good again and lifting.

the concept is called homeostasis and you are right that most people have no clue about this real phenomenon. i don't think you posted your history but if you have been this fat for a time period then any results you happen to get here will be short lived unless you permanently alter the way you eat.

also if you truly were trying to prove a point, then posting pictures would be mandatory or else how do we know you aren't lying about your before and/or after stats? which is the point of me saying this thread is pointless.
 
^^^this 10000%

There is no way at all of us knowing the true results without pics.


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I understand steve but I don't consider myself fat , I know yall will say the numbers don't lie but also have u ever looked at a bmi calculatr etc , everyone is obese and is supposed to weigh peanuts .

I also don't plan on being ripped either …. whats the process of posting pics , is it simple upload ? I remember hearing a long time ago having to download some software if I remember correctly ….
 
straightnasty said:
I understand steve but I don't consider myself fat , I know yall will say the numbers don't lie but also have u ever looked at a bmi calculatr etc , everyone is obese and is supposed to weigh peanuts .

I also don't plan on being ripped either …. whats the process of posting pics , is it simple upload ? I remember hearing a long time ago having to download some software if I remember correctly ….
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you are right somewhat. 50% of americans are 30% body fat or more, that includes both male and females.

however you have to understand that we are not the normal american.. we are gym rats. we push ourselves hard. we eat discipline, etc. if you aren't in that boat then why use steroids right now? i think that is the point.

as far as pictures just use tinypic or another image share website
 
stevesmi said:
however you have to understand that we are not the normal american.. we are gym rats. we push ourselves hard. we eat discipline, etc. if you aren't in that boat then why use steroids right now? i think that is the point.
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Exactly! We're I to be carrying 15% body fat, I would feel disgusted with myself. So too would 15% BF make the test', tren' and proviron cycle I started today terribly problematic vis-a-vis estrogen-related side-effects.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
Exactly! We're I to be carrying 15% body fat, I would feel disgusted with myself. So too would 15% BF make the test', tren' and proviron cycle I started today terribly problematic vis-a-vis estrogen-related side-effects.
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Ya the only time I have almost hit 15% was after a dirty bulk cycle with a large dose of tren. 5000+ cal min a day. Lived and learned the hard way that that was a stupid decision. You don't grow any more by eating more than you need. Mo matter what you have helping you. You just get fat. I hover around 12% and that's just because wife likes it. She can have some padding lol. Before I did steroids I was a 160lbs, sub 10% and looked shredded but was like laying on plywood hahaha. I like to keep the bf down because once it gets too high it's a slippery slope. For me to get back to 12% it took a couple months of small meals and hard work. I lost around 3%. I honestly can't imagine how anyone could expect to lose over 10% bf in a cycle let alone a year. You need to take a step back and make some life changes. And get the eating right and proper workout routine that works for you. Then worry about cycling.

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Hard89 said:
Ya the only time I have almost hit 15% was after a dirty bulk cycle with a large dose of tren. 5000+ cal min a day. Lived and learned the hard way that that was a stupid decision. You don't grow any more by eating more than you need. Mo matter what you have helping you. You just get fat. I hover around 12% and that's just because wife likes it. She can have some padding lol. Before I did steroids I was a 160lbs, sub 10% and looked shredded but was like laying on plywood hahaha. I like to keep the bf down because once it gets too high it's a slippery slope. For me to get back to 12% it took a couple months of small meals and hard work. I lost around 3%. I honestly can't imagine how anyone could expect to lose over 10% bf in a cycle let alone a year. You need to take a step back and make some life changes. And get the eating right and proper workout routine that works for you. Then worry about cycling.

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You need to take a step back and make some life changes. And get the eating right and proper workout routine that works for you. Then worry about cycling.

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That, my friends, is the bottom line.

Thank you, Hard89.
 
well we will just have to see I guess in 6 weeks .

I think the forum def needs a members pic forum , would be nice to see a lot of yall who claim that 15% is bad on you etc , lol say what you will but most are prob living in la la land . im done arguing , results will come and pics . so like I thought ya cant just upload from iPhone ...I gtta go thru a process . ill look into it. Happy new year
 
straightnasty said:
well we will just have to see I guess in 6 weeks .

I think the forum def needs a members pic forum , would be nice to see a lot of yall who claim that 15% is bad on you etc , lol say what you will but most are prob living in la la land . im done arguing , results will come and pics . so like I thought ya cant just upload from iPhone ...I gtta go thru a process . ill look into it. Happy new year
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Many of us have pics all over this place. There is no la la land here my dude. I’ve uploaded countless pics here straight from my iPhone. In fact, it’s the ONLY way I’ve ever uploaded pics here.


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straightnasty said:
well we will just have to see I guess in 6 weeks .

I think the forum def needs a members pic forum , would be nice to see a lot of yall who claim that 15% is bad on you etc , lol say what you will but most are prob living in la la land . im done arguing , results will come and pics . so like I thought ya cant just upload from iPhone ...I gtta go thru a process . ill look into it. Happy new year
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I'm not one of those. Pic was last week, my current bf% falls somewhere between 14 & 15% at 201lbs
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wesley_swolle said:
I'm not one of those. Pic was last week, my current bf% falls somewhere between 14 & 15% at 201lbs
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Holy fuck you are swolle. I want to be 200 in the worst way I need to get heavier weights for my bench press so I can have a chest like that haha.

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wesley_swolle said:
I'm not one of those. Pic was last week, my current bf% falls somewhere between 14 & 15% at 201lbs
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there ya go , thank you Wesley Swolle !!!!! nice build , im sure youll get criticism on "oh here are you abs , legs , etc …. personally that's a nice physique for 15% Idc what anyone says . Bravo
 
straightnasty said:
there ya go , thank you Wesley Swolle !!!!! nice build , im sure youll get criticism on "oh here are you abs , legs , etc …. personally that's a nice physique for 15% Idc what anyone says . Bravo
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Much appreciated brother! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against being sub 15% bf. Each and every one of us has our own conception on what is the ideal physique. At 57, I choose to be exactly where I am, with regard to body fat.

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Hard89 said:
Holy fuck you are swolle. I want to be 200 in the worst way I need to get heavier weights for my bench press so I can have a chest like that haha.

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Thanks man!

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straightnasty said:
254 lbs start of cycle last week , no pump , no nothing .... first time attempting a picture


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you are closer to 20% than 30% body fat.. i would peg you around 22-23%

i see plenty of dudes in my gym who are fatter than this who use steroids and just care about perma bulking.
 
stevesmi said:
you are closer to 20% than 30% body fat.. i would peg you around 22-23%

i see plenty of dudes in my gym who are fatter than this who use steroids and just care about perma bulking.
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One is still going to achieve better results by beginning a cycle while being as lean as one possibly can be. This past Sunday I began a bulking cycle while carrying 8.2% body fat, so that by the end of the cycle I will not exceed approximately 12% body fat. Conversely, were you to have launched said bulking cycle while carrying 20% body fat, what would my percentage of body fat be by the end of that bulking cycle, 25% or more? Carrying that much body fat - with or without - AAS is very dangerous. So, with all respect due him, I still do not understand why the OP is pushing this nonsense.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
One is still going to achieve better results by beginning a cycle while being as lean as one possibly can be. This past Sunday I began a bulking cycle while carrying 8.2% body fat, so that by the end of the cycle I will not exceed approximately 12% body fat. Conversely, were you to have launched said bulking cycle while carrying 20% body fat, what would my percentage of body fat be by the end of that bulking cycle, 25% or more? Carrying that much body fat - with or without - AAS is very dangerous. So, with all respect due him, I still do not understand why the OP is pushing this nonsense.
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Eddie - trying to PM you. Can you clear your box?


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-Copy that Steve , I’m going by that electronic device at my gym where u hold the handles

-And I understand where your coming from Eddie

This Tapatalk is pretty cool .


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#3 Winstrol (Stanozolol)
#4 Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca)


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lovelinjerry56 said:
The best steroid for cycle beginners
What are the best steroids to use as beginner.
#1 Testosterone Enanthate, Propionate or Cypionate.
#2 Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)
#3 Winstrol (Stanozolol)
#4 Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca)


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The best steroid for cycle beginners
What are the best steroids to use as beginner.
#1 Testosterone Enanthate, Propionate or Cypionate.
#2 Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)
#3 Winstrol (Stanozolol)
#4 Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca)

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lovelinjerry56 said:
The best steroid for cycle beginners
What are the best steroids to use as beginner.
#1 Testosterone Enanthate, Propionate or Cypionate.
#2 Dianabol (Methandrostenolone)
#3 Winstrol (Stanozolol)
#4 Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca)

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bro anavar and winstrol....best for newbs
 
straightnasty said:
are u unable to comprehend what has been written ….., to prove its not worthless to run gear why being at a high bf% .
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it is worthless, gear is made to build muscle or to shred someone, not to make a fat dude sexy .. putting your health at risk to lose a few pounds .. and then when the pct comes you'll become miserable, for what? to lose fat that can be lost naturally but you're too lazy to do .. use gear to build muscle or to get shredded when already in shape of just get lost .. I've been in the gym for years .. and you know how many guys like you I see daily? do you know how many ended up looking sexy? well here it goes .. none .. good luck anyways
 
Almost 2 weeks in :

Current weight 246 lbs was hoping for more because I know I have it to lose and usually lose fast rite off the bat ( anavar is giving me an appetite even wth the Phentermine) May lower the dose to 50mg a day . Feel good tho , strength improving , no terrible pumps during cardio yet , jeans fitting better (that’s key) , all in all so far so good for me .

Ps : Done responding to “its worthless “ “won’t do anything “ “bf to high “ you guys do you and ill do me , just a FYI I’m a totally different breed than most of you .... a few examples in past 5 years or so .

485 decline bench
380 flat bench
225 3 sets of 20
48 inch box jump
540 dead lift
No squats - bad back
A Mile under 6 mins
400 meter 1min 9 secs

All weighing roughly 235-245 lbs not trying to be arrogant , just saying I hear you guys say all the time every individual is different and hear will affect everyone differently . That’s all I’m trying to accomplish is a positive affect on myself wth the help of a *mild oral steroid .





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straightnasty said:
Almost 2 weeks in :

Current weight 246 lbs was hoping for more because I know I have it to lose and usually lose fast rite off the bat ( anavar is giving me an appetite even wth the Phentermine) May lower the dose to 50mg a day . Feel good tho , strength improving , no terrible pumps during cardio yet , jeans fitting better (that’s key) , all in all so far so good for me .

Ps : Done responding to “its worthless “ “won’t do anything “ “bf to high “ you guys do you and ill do me , just a FYI I’m a totally different breed than most of you .... a few examples in past 5 years or so .

485 decline bench
380 flat bench
225 3 sets of 20
48 inch box jump
540 dead lift
No squats - bad back
A Mile under 6 mins
400 meter 1min 9 secs

All weighing roughly 235-245 lbs not trying to be arrogant , just saying I hear you guys say all the time every individual is different and hear will affect everyone differently . That’s all I’m trying to accomplish is a positive affect on myself wth the help of a *mild oral steroid .





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I'll go ahead and cite the threads title 'trying to prove experts wrong'. I could point out you've money riding on your success and I could even pointing out that your numbers DO mark you out as elite (and therefore a freak of the kind I referred to in previous posts). I'd also point out that it's entirely possible to lose the 7 pounds (usually water weight for most) in the two weeks to date (253-246 is 7). Yet you're being aided by drugs.

It's nice you're changing your tune but you're gonna need to up your game if you wanna win the cash.

And get the fat remeasured.
 
I concur on the upping my game Mob , also I agree on the 7lbs is easy , but it’s def not all water . Actually I would say only half at most is water . I’ll lose 6-8 lbs in the last day /overnight and 4 hours of cutting in the a.m before weigh in February 2nd . That will be all water . Yes I’m aided by drugs that’s the whole point of this ......


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I do have a quick question mobster , let’s see if you can give me some of your knowledge that I do know you have or are ya gonna tell me to go research this or that ... lol

I get done wth gym around 8pm - eat some salmon and broccoli ... I’m hungry again but I try not to eat to keep cars low . I end up waking up in middle of night cause my body is craving my normal calories of when I’m a lazy fuk ha . Any pointers or tricks or help on to keep my butt in bed sleeping , I know I’m adding ounces and lbs getting up having peanut butter banana toast , grapes , etc .... help a guy out :)


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straightnasty said:
I do have a quick question mobster , let’s see if you can give me some of your knowledge that I do know you have or are ya gonna tell me to go research this or that ... lol

I get done wth gym around 8pm - eat some salmon and broccoli ... I’m hungry again but I try not to eat to keep cars low . I end up waking up in middle of night cause my body is craving my normal calories of when I’m a lazy fuk ha . Any pointers or tricks or help on to keep my butt in bed sleeping , I know I’m adding ounces and lbs getting up having peanut butter banana toast , grapes , etc .... help a guy out :)


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Boils down to discipline my man. If it is counter productive to your goals, then it should be easy. I’ve said this a million times.....diet is the hard part in this game, but it’s by far the most important part.


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Your def rite Gash, just was wondering if there’s tips the guys in the game for 25 plus years know . That’s all , I know it’s mind over matter but not sleeping sitting there knowing if I just eat something I’ll sleep is so difficult , plus some heartburn when I cut calories too


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straightnasty said:
I do have a quick question mobster , let’s see if you can give me some of your knowledge that I do know you have or are ya gonna tell me to go research this or that ... lol

I get done wth gym around 8pm - eat some salmon and broccoli ... I’m hungry again but I try not to eat to keep cars low . I end up waking up in middle of night cause my body is craving my normal calories of when I’m a lazy fuk ha . Any pointers or tricks or help on to keep my butt in bed sleeping , I know I’m adding ounces and lbs getting up having peanut butter banana toast , grapes , etc .... help a guy out :)


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I'm coming up on 4 decades. Start with why you train at 8pm. In terms of burning cals etc the earlier the better IMO
 
Work schedule , that’s what fits almost everyday for me . I’m on call 24/7 and do get called in early mornings .


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Day 16 , just hopped off the scale naked as a jaybird at 241.6lbs ….really was pumped to be in the 230's but oh well , one more day of hiit cardio and high reps med weight legs till failure today and tmr morning I know ill see it (first thing a.m) lol at least until I consume my first meal . Strength really isn't going up nor down so I'm ok wth that for now due to getting lighter . I've lowered the anavar dosage to 40 mgs , I still feel I will get the benefits from it at that dose for what my goals are . Completely cut out all bad foods whatsoever past few days , nothing but haddock and broccoli and ground turkey and asparagus mainly . Haven't had a sip of alcohol which is good for me ! Only thing killing me is the cold days at work not much going on to be active during the 8 hours.
 
straightnasty said:
Day 16 , just hopped off the scale naked as a jaybird at 241.6lbs ….really was pumped to be in the 230's but oh well , one more day of hiit cardio and high reps med weight legs till failure today and tmr morning I know ill see it (first thing a.m) lol at least until I consume my first meal . Strength really isn't going up nor down so I'm ok wth that for now due to getting lighter . I've lowered the anavar dosage to 40 mgs , I still feel I will get the benefits from it at that dose for what my goals are . Completely cut out all bad foods whatsoever past few days , nothing but haddock and broccoli and ground turkey and asparagus mainly . Haven't had a sip of alcohol which is good for me ! Only thing killing me is the cold days at work not much going on to be active during the 8 hours.
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Completely cut out all bad foods whatsoever past few days , nothing but haddock and broccoli and ground turkey and asparagus mainly.
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You do understand that ground turkey is significantly fatter than what it is advertised as being, right? In fact, I have, on several occasions, tested Jennie O's 7% Turkey Store ground turkey (by way of a Hobart F101-1 ground beef fat percentage measurer), and it generally comes out to be anywhere from 54% fat to 58% fat. Ergo, most commercially available ground turkey is garbage, not to mention, as we have just seen, utterly fraudulent.
 
gashred777 said:
Boils down to discipline my man. If it is counter productive to your goals, then it should be easy. I’ve said this a million times.....diet is the hard part in this game, but it’s by far the most important part.


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This x 100
70% diet I've said this for 20yrs
 
Eddie Haskell said:
You do understand that ground turkey is significantly fatter than what it is advertised as being, right? In fact, I have, on several occasions, tested Jennie O's 7% Turkey Store ground turkey (by way of a Hobart F101-1 ground beef fat percentage measurer), and it generally comes out to be anywhere from 54% fat to 58% fat. Ergo, most commercially available ground turkey is garbage, not to mention, as we have just seen, utterly fraudulent.
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So I should file a law suite against Jennie - O , listen dude I coulda said anything and your negative ass woulda talked shit . I’ve had good results wth ground turkey so that works for me and I’m not trying to step on a stage . Good ok good , not a single compliment or keep up the work , beat it clown . Ur a waste of time

What’s your stats again ?? Please re inform me


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Mobster said:
I'll go ahead and cite the threads title 'trying to prove experts wrong'. I could point out you've money riding on your success and I could even pointing out that your numbers DO mark you out as elite (and therefore a freak of the kind I referred to in previous posts). I'd also point out that it's entirely possible to lose the 7 pounds (usually water weight for most) in the two weeks to date (253-246 is 7). Yet you're being aided by drugs.

It's nice you're changing your tune but you're gonna need to up your game if you wanna win the cash.

And get the fat remeasured.
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Hold up...
Five yrs ago I was squatting 405
Bench 365
Dead 504
52 inch box jump
225 for 30reps
40 dead hang pull ups in a row...
All at 186lbs...
AND I have it on video...with zero gear
I'm not elite at all...its called training and eating right for yrs and putting max effort in plus training with some badass dudes that motivate eachother

So let's knock off the dick measuring genetic contest
...totally irrelevant

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straightnasty said:
So I should file a law suite against Jennie - O , listen dude I coulda said anything and your negative ass woulda talked shit . I’ve had good results wth ground turkey so that works for me and I’m not trying to step on a stage . Good ok good , not a single compliment or keep up the work , beat it clown . Ur a waste of time

What’s your stats again ?? Please re inform me


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Lmao....
Eddie's 69 yrs old openly Bi with a huge cock and 8 kids...sired 9 on the way!
 
Hollywood305 said:
Hold up...
Five yrs ago I was squatting 405
Bench 365
Dead 504
52 inch box jump
225 for 30reps
40 dead hang pull ups in a row...
All at 186lbs...
AND I have it on video...with zero gear
I'm not elite at all...its called training and eating right for yrs and putting max effort in plus training with some badass dudes that motivate eachother

So let's knock off the dick measuring genetic contest
...totally irrelevant

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Lmao....
Eddie's 69 yrs old openly Bi with a huge cock and 8 kids...sired 9 on the way!
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So you've video of you lifting elite levels weights etc but that's not proof lol.

Anyway rather than argue that hows your cycle going so far.
 
Mobster said:
So you've video of you lifting elite levels weights etc but that's not proof lol.

Anyway rather than argue that hows your cycle going so far.
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No brotha I'm just saying I'm not special and neither is this guy anyone who dedicates their life can do what I did and what this guy did...hes bragging about it I'm saying it's achievable through hard work

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Oh and my sarms cycle is all done I posted a log you commented on it bro lol
 
Hollywood305 said:
No brotha I'm just saying I'm not special and neither is this guy anyone who dedicates their life can do what I did and what this guy did...hes bragging about it I'm saying it's achievable through hard work

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Oh and my sarms cycle is all done I posted a log you commented on it bro lol
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I thought I was replying to the OP lol. More coffee needed.
 
Hollywood305 said:
Hold up...
Five yrs ago I was squatting 405
Bench 365
Dead 504
52 inch box jump
225 for 30reps
40 dead hang pull ups in a row...
All at 186lbs...
AND I have it on video...with zero gear
I'm not elite at all...its called training and eating right for yrs and putting max effort in plus training with some badass dudes that motivate eachother

So let's knock off the dick measuring genetic contest
...totally irrelevant

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Lmao....
Eddie's 69 yrs old openly Bi with a huge cock and 8 kids...sired 9 on the way!
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No dick measuring here , well done yourself Hollywood . And a big fat ..... No , not everyone can not get our results thru hard work and dedication , shit there’s ppl that bury those results and then theres ppl that could work there ass off all there life and not achieve certain things .




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Updated cycle above mobster , so far so good . Zero side affects , which there shouldn’t be much of


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update

exactly 4 weeks in / 2 to go :

-236.4 lbs
-stomach and love handles have flattened out / no visible abs but I can see them under the fat lol
-strength increasing weekly 5-10 lbs here and there , has to be muscles feeling the affects of the var considering im down 17 lbs / no max lifts just 8-12 reps exercises
-no idea why but ive seem to have gotten Metatarsalgia - pain on the balls of my feet underneath toes / sneakers are fine etc , any input from anyone would be appreciated
-all in all so far so good

looking to really eliminate all sugars as much as possible last two weeks (creamer , shakes , fruits etc ) and start doing fasted cardio in the am 3-4 days a week along wth normal strength training and cardio at night.
 
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End of my run , all in all I’m happy . Lost approx 20 - 22 lbs in 6 weeks , rest is water from sauna last night . Stomach got flatter (var), no abs which will come next , wth losing the weight strength really didn’t drop that much (var) , for me my physique looks better - leaner but still muscular (var) , agility is a lot better from dropping the lbs and still keeping strength . Clothes fit great , narrower waist but broad shoulders and chest .

I wasn’t trying to be ripped , get on stage , I veered off diet a couple times but that’s life , I feel amazing that’s what counts !!!! haven’t gotten BF % done cause I ended it last night and no one at gym to do it . I’m guessing 16-18% , but Steve in a post before said I may not have been 25-27% to start . Next is trying to really lean out love handles and lower stomach .

Flame away fellas I’m a big boy and can take it but expect it rite back if I disagree . unless you look like Paulo Costa from ufc your just an average human just like most on this site . Haven’t really seen a physique that shows me different yet . Ok time to eat !!!!!! Yep I’m gonna consume prob 4000 bad calories today :) And enjoy every ounce .


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Bro you look great!! Keep pushing off cycle aswell. And props for posting, 95% of us dont.
 
Appreciate the kind words 1989 , great is a little too much . Am I happy wth the 6 week results , yes . Am I astatic abd satisfies ... not at all sir . In my opinion age is just a number , I want leaner and more defined . I’ll do my pct and go from there , thanks tho .


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