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ironmanZVW

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As some of you already know, I'm about to use deca (with test of course) for the first time.
I am just interested to hear your stories and experiences dealing with this compound.
 
deca is nice for bulking
I put 12lbs with test deca cycle of 14 weeks
must be ran 400mg/week for 10-14 weeks
run test 2 weeks more than deca
 
I love deca
Used it solo (i dotn rec that though) and i was fine no limp noodle.
acualyl first time i everr used ANY steroid was deca i got from my family doc after my car accedent. i still use it with test ofcourse. and even wheil on my HRT atlow doses (100-150mg ew) as it helps with my back pain i feel.

great stuff but you NEED to have your clories high to gain decent with deca.

normaly id rec it somthing like:

wk1-12 300-400mg ew deca
wk1-14 500-750mg teste ew
 
Juced_porkchop said:
I love deca
Used it solo (i dotn rec that though) and i was fine no limp noodle.
acualyl first time i everr used ANY steroid was deca i got from my family doc after my car accedent. i still use it with test ofcourse. and even wheil on my HRT atlow doses (100-150mg ew) as it helps with my back pain i feel.

great stuff but you NEED to have your clories high to gain decent with deca.

normaly id rec it somthing like:

wk1-12 300-400mg ew deca
wk1-14 500-750mg teste ew
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Thanks JP.

I'm running mast with it as well to help keep the gains lean.
Are you gains generally lean on deca (while still eating clean of course)?
 
Gains can be lean dependent upon your dietary intake. If you keep your calories too low you will be wasting a good bulking cycle with deca. Like JP said you have to give it some decent calories for it to add mass. I'd rather see you gain a touch of body fat that you can lose after the cyclle than cut it too close and miss out on gains. With the greater muscle mass you'll be a fat burning machine afteward. Post cycle find your maintenance level for a while until recovery is complete. Remember you'll be eating for a new weight after your cycle. If you eat as you did prior to the cycle you'll lose your new gains. After finding your new maintenance level you can lower your calories by 500 and hit the cardio while maintaining your weight training. It shouldn't take you long to be lean and mean. Keep the creatine flowing to help maintain recovery from training.
 
Thanks Haz, super helful as usual.

If my cals are around 3500-3750 right now, pretty much maintenace, maybe a tad higher...what would be a reasonable increase? Like i said, don't want to gain a ton of fat.
 
What is your body fat now?? You can easily go up to 4500 4700 calories what you do you is keep an eye how you coming along and you can adjust . Its a waste to do Deca or EQ and not eat enough . Anytime you put more size you always put some fat but as long as you keep an eye you be just fine. On the end of the cycle you going to lose some anyway . You can always do some cardio to drop some , but if you do your training and eating right you will gain some good size and not a lot of fat!!
Good Luck
 
Hooper said:
What is your body fat now?? You can easily go up to 4500 4700 calories what you do you is keep an eye how you coming along and you can adjust . Its a waste to do Deca or EQ and not eat enough . Anytime you put more size you always put some fat but as long as you keep an eye you be just fine. On the end of the cycle you going to lose some anyway . You can always do some cardio to drop some , but if you do your training and eating right you will gain some good size and not a lot of fat!!
Good Luck
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It's about 13-14%. I can see my abs easily, but only when flexed. My obliques are soft though lol :(((
I'm also running mast prop with this cycle. I started it about 10 days ago. On a side note, anyone know of mast causing depression? I've been oddly bummed out the past few days.
I started my test/deca last night, so I'm hoping that will counter the depression. My first test cycle made me feel like a super hero, but not at first. Ther was the initial depressing feelings.
 
Your B/F is not bad you probably holding some water also. Mast prop does cause a depression that is one of the side effects among with fatigue hair loss , acne and oily skin and hair. Why you using mast prop?? Stay with test and deca for now. What you trying to achieve ??
 
Hooper said:
Your B/F is not bad you probably holding some water also. Mast prop does cause a depression that is one of the side effects among with fatigue hair loss , acne and oily skin and hair. Why you using mast prop?? Stay with test and deca for now. What you trying to achieve ??
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I'm using the mast p to help keep the gains lean.
 
You can keep your B/F down when you on test/Deca by tighten up your calories . Here is the deal you can add size cause with size comes a little fat along just keep the junk food down and always check your self to adjust or add another thing to your stack, but bottom line if you want to get bigger you have to do a bit of a compromise you can't get size without a bit of extra stuff , or it will be easy for everybody. what most guys do they get big and they up the cardio a little stack it with couple other things and they get that cut look!
 
Hooper said:
You can keep your B/F down when you on test/Deca by tighten up your calories . Here is the deal you can add size cause with size comes a little fat along just keep the junk food down and always check your self to adjust or add another thing to your stack, but bottom line if you want to get bigger you have to do a bit of a compromise you can't get size without a bit of extra stuff , or it will be easy for everybody. what most guys do they get big and they up the cardio a little stack it with couple other things and they get that cut look!
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Yea I know I know lol. I just am looking for the absolute best way to go about this cycle!!

I really do appreciate the help though, you are very helpful.
 
ironmanZVW said:
Thanks JP.

I'm running mast with it as well to help keep the gains lean.
Are you gains generally lean on deca (while still eating clean of course)?
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i dont find bloat to be an issue, deca is great for joints but gains you usually seem to need to eat extra with deca then with other compounds which could lean towards less clean gains.
if you want no prog issues or bloat i would rec mast/primo/test or if tren is not an issue: mast,tren,test
but for me bloat isnt much of an issue then again nether was 50mg dbol ed for 6 wks. (yes some bloat with this but not much)

water that you do get will goaway anyway once stopped so i dont see it as much of an issue unless your going on stage while on it.
 
I love deca been running for 12 months now at 150mh wk as part of HRT for joints
 
Who me? My HRT includes AI 1mg Stan every 3rd day, deca for joints, hcg 500iu once every 5 days and of course test. Endro Dr currently keeps me at 150mg injected once every 5 days. Which keeps my test in the 1000-1200 range (on 5th day after injection and before next).
 
I blast every now and then. Cruise year round (HRT).
 
Drewb said:
Who me? My HRT includes AI 1mg Stan every 3rd day, deca for joints, hcg 500iu once every 5 days and of course test. Endro Dr currently keeps me at 150mg injected once every 5 days. Which keeps my test in the 1000-1200 range (on 5th day after injection and before next).
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150 mg /wk of Deca + how much Test puts you 1000-1200 range (my Endo would flip if mine was that high) What is the HCG for if you are on HRT?

Thanks
 
Elbutcho said:
150 mg /wk of Deca + how much Test puts you 1000-1200 range (my Endo would flip if mine was that high) What is the HCG for if you are on HRT?

Thanks
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My endro is happy to keep me at the high end of normal, just so log as everything else looks fine. Deca is for inoperatable joint damage and currently at 100mg wk (we have been dropping to find lowest effective dose for my joints). Hcg is to keep you fertile. I just knocked up the wife no problem while on trt (been on 2 yrs), if you ever want to have kids it's a must. Nice side effect is fully plump balls (don't shrink) and bigger / thick loads.
 
Drewb said:
My endro is happy to keep me at the high end of normal, just so log as everything else looks fine. Deca is for inoperatable joint damage and currently at 100mg wk (we have been dropping to find lowest effective dose for my joints). Hcg is to keep you fertile. I just knocked up the wife no problem while on trt (been on 2 yrs), if you ever want to have kids it's a must. Nice side effect is fully plump balls (don't shrink) and bigger / thick loads.
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So he agreed to giving you deca....sweet. My endo thinks 600 is too high for test levels. I asked him about Hcg and he said I didn't need it.
 
Most of my friends with normal natty test levels are 650-high 700s (under 35).

How many days after shot was blood work? What was shbg? E2? Free test?
 
How many mg? Do you self pin?

What was estrogen levels (e2 in particular).
 
Elbutcho said:
150mg /wk.........self pin.........never really talked about estrogen levels too much again he said I didn't need to worry about that
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http://www.privatemdlabs.com/

Order the male or female blood hormon panel, both include test and e2. Male includes igf, a full blood workup, thyroid etc so IMO worth the extra.

If estrogen is abound mid 20s it's high, bring lab work to dr and request AI. If he won't do it then many online "research" sites carry them. If is high lowering it will increase test.

Since you self pin 150mg week / 7 days = 21.41 x 4 = 85mg

Take 85-90mg every 84 hrs or once every 4 days. The end result is still your scripted 150mg week but you will have much more stable blood levels and less of a drop off at week end. I know someone that does 100mg (close to your script) every 4 days and his levels are ALWAYS 1200-1300 on the 4th day before the next pin.


So: test AI and get if needed
Pin more often


If you don't like pinning. I can explain out to backload a 29g 1/2" slin pin after you draw fron the vial with your normal 22-23g pin and then pin intermuscle in lean areas with that (what I do). Totally painless and no scar tissue build up over time.
 
Drewb said:
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/

Order the male or female blood hormon panel, both include test and e2. Male includes igf, a full blood workup, thyroid etc so IMO worth the extra.

If estrogen is abound mid 20s it's high, bring lab work to dr and request AI. If he won't do it then many online "research" sites carry them. If is high lowering it will increase test.

Since you self pin 150mg week / 7 days = 21.41 x 4 = 85mg

Take 85-90mg every 84 hrs or once every 4 days. The end result is still your scripted 150mg week but you will have much more stable blood levels and less of a drop off at week end. I know someone that does 100mg (close to your script) every 4 days and his levels are ALWAYS 1200-1300 on the 4th day before the next pin.


So: test AI and get if needed
Pin more often


If you don't like pinning. I can explain out to backload a 29g 1/2" slin pin after you draw fron the vial with your normal 22-23g pin and then pin intermuscle in lean areas with that (what I do). Totally painless and no scar tissue build up over time.
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Thanks for the detailed / well informed post......and the link!!!
 
Sorry I should have proof read that ****. Full of spelling errors.
 
ironmanZVW said:
It's about 13-14%. I can see my abs easily, but only when flexed. My obliques are soft though lol :(((
I'm also running mast prop with this cycle. I started it about 10 days ago. On a side note, anyone know of mast causing depression? I've been oddly bummed out the past few days.
I started my test/deca last night, so I'm hoping that will counter the depression. My first test cycle made me feel like a super hero, but not at first. Ther was the initial depressing feelings.
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Yes Mast has that side effect ..... hopefully when the others kicking in you get over it. Remember when on cycle to gain is what it means gain if you keep clean eating but plenty of it you be fine also got to work out hard recover and you should be able to do well!
Keep posting your results!
 
Hooper said:
Yes Mast has that side effect ..... hopefully when the others kicking in you get over it. Remember when on cycle to gain is what it means gain if you keep clean eating but plenty of it you be fine also got to work out hard recover and you should be able to do well!
Keep posting your results!
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Up about 3 lbs, clean, taking pretty high dose of ai's so no bloat weight. Still getting gyno lumps though unfortunately lol :/
Oh, also looking very vascular, and feeling pretty alpha :-)
 
ironmanZVW said:
Up about 3 lbs, clean, taking pretty high dose of ai's so no bloat weight. Still getting gyno lumps though unfortunately lol :/
Oh, also looking very vascular, and feeling pretty alpha :-)
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Sounds good! on that part what is not good your Gyno got to nip this one ASAP what you taking for?
 
Hooper said:
Sounds good! on that part what is not good your Gyno got to nip this one ASAP what you taking for?
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1.5mg Letro 2x/week and 20mg nolva eod. Not doing a whole lot besides keeping down bloat though honestly. Have some Proviron on the way as well.
 
ironmanZVW said:
1.5mg Letro 2x/week and 20mg nolva eod. Not doing a whole lot besides keeping down bloat though honestly. Have some Proviron on the way as well.
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If you take these and still have issues with gyno you need to try some Arimedex 1 mcg every other day with dostinex 0.5mg every 4th day
Proviron is does nothing for gyno it helps on libido hardness but not gyno. You have to find what works for you cause some people get results with Letro others don't same with Nolva. Aromasin is another
 
Hooper said:
If you take these and still have issues with gyno you need to try some Arimedex 1 mcg every other day with dostinex 0.5mg every 4th day
Proviron is does nothing for gyno it helps on libido hardness but not gyno. You have to find what works for you cause some people get results with Letro others don't same with Nolva. Aromasin is another
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Yea I need to get rid of this gyno ASAP lol!!!
I don't know where to get any dost though :/
And the only adex I have access to at the moment is research
 
Hooper said:
Do some homework research!!!!!!!
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Haha I do ido.

I just would rather get actual ancillaries rather than these ones from peptide and research chem sites, I've had mixed results.

Thanks for all your help though really.
 
ironmanZVW said:
Haha I do ido.

I just would rather get actual ancillaries rather than these ones from peptide and research chem sites, I've had mixed results.

Thanks for all your help though really.
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I know what you mean ............ about mixed results keep posting thou to see how you coming along....
 
Prami is a good anti prolactin, just ramp the dose up to 1mg Ed SLOW or you will get some nasty sides (sick/gaggy feeling).
 
Oh ya drop the nolva. Nolv can increase the chances of prolactin related gyno. Not a good one to run while on tren or deca. For AI run letro, Adex or stane. Like stane myself the best.
 
Drewb said:
Oh ya drop the nolva. Nolv can increase the chances of prolactin related gyno. Not a good one to run while on tren or deca. For AI run letro, Adex or stane. Like stane myself the best.
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**** lol...I literally just took nolva as I was opening this post lol...
Ok ill drop it, and obviously the Letro isn't cutting it for the gyno.
 
Letro will keep estrogen down but not prolactin which is raised by deca. You need dost or prami to lower prolactin.
 
Letro for gyno should be dosed at 2.5 mg's daily. I wouldn't expect much from your cycle while trying to attack gyno. You really need to consider if you want to address the gyno or continue your cycle. Going after gyno means you want to drop your estrogen levels ultra low which isn't conducive to gaining muscle. You can't get rid of gyno and cycle effectively at the same time.
 
He could take enough anti prolactin and anti estrogen drugs to pause it's growth and still have a decent cycle. I almost always get a quarter sized (but thicker) lump in each chest when I cycle tren + TRT. By the time I get the prami dose up it stops growing and then once I'm off it shrinks up to nothing.
 
Drewb said:
He could take enough anti prolactin and anti estrogen drugs to pause it's growth and still have a decent cycle. I almost always get a quarter sized (but thicker) lump in each chest when I cycle tren + TRT. By the time I gde prami dose up it stops growing and then once I'm off it shrinks up to nothing.
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Yes, he certainly can do that and that's what I'd recommend. He keeps talking about getting rid of the gyno so I gave advice to that issue in hopes someone would post something like you did so he would realize it's not going to go away on cycle. Thanks for your post.
 
Hazcat said:
Yes, he certainly can do that and that's what I'd recommend. He keeps talking about getting rid of the gyno so I gave advice to that issue in hopes someone would post something like you did so he would realize it's not going to go away on cycle. Thanks for your post.
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Thanks guys, I'm just gonna deal with the gyno and continue with the cycle. Mannnnn Uppp!
 
Hazcat said:
Drewb . . . what do you dose your prami at?
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I work it up to 1mg Ed before bed. For me it makes me sleep like a baby and my sex drives goes though the roof (edit in a strange night time dream sorta way). Oh and vivid dreams. I ramp up at .1mg increase once every 2- 3 days until I hit 1mg. Increase too fast and I get very gaggy / sick feeling the next day.
 
Incedently 1mg Ed is about the dose needed for positive GH effects also.
 
Just hit .8mg Ed on prami at night (have to ramp SLOW), the prami and Cjc/ghrp combo (high dose Cjc/ghrp) has started to give my high GH side effects. Hands fall asleep at a drop of the hat for one. Good combo
 
Drewb said:
Just hit .8mg Ed on prami at night (have to ramp SLOW), the prami and Cjc/ghrp combo (high dose Cjc/ghrp) has started to give my high GH side effects. Hands fall asleep at a drop of the hat for one. Good combo
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You may want to adjust the dose so your hands don't go to sleep ...Yeap is a common side effect
 
It's a side effect seen with mid level hgh use, like 4-6iu Ed. So if I'm getting it from the combo I'm taking it's a great sign that my body is releasing a ton of extra hgh. Exactly what I want. Symptoms are a sign it's working as intended, if I was getting some of the high hgh dose symptoms like painful swollen joints and feet I might cut the dosing back but I'm not. Current Effects (sorta swollen hands prown to falling asleep with no joint pain noticed, altho my deca dose might be off setting that) are comparable to 4-6iu hgh Ed (from my prior use of hgh).
 
Drewb said:
It's a side effect seen with mid level hgh use, like 4-6iu Ed. So if I'm getting it from the combo I'm taking it's a great sign that my body is releasing a ton of extra hgh. Exactly what I want. Symptoms are a sign it's working as intended, if I was getting some of the high hgh dose symptoms like painful swollen joints and feet I might cut the dosing back but I'm not. Current Effects (sorta swollen hands prown to falling asleep with no joint pain noticed, altho my deca dose might be off setting that) are comparable to 4-6iu hgh Ed (from my prior use of hgh).
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What is the F....g purpose to induce high Levels ????? The body naturally will back off and you going to find your self with lower levels than you started . What ever go for it
good luck
 
The body won't back off the Cjc/ghrp forces the release of stored hgh. As you age you still store the same amount you just release less (simple way of explaining it). I normally do 6 months of hgh followed by 6 months of ghrp/Cjc And then back to the hgh and so forth (been doing for 1.5 yrs now), the prami is a new addition I'm running for prolactin induced sides from 500mg tren a week for 10 wks. The added gh effects from the prami are just a side benefit (studies show it can increae hgh by up to 400% and that's without the ghrp/Cjc).

Highly recomend this combo for anyone looking into hgh.
 
Elbutcho said:
I am......prami can increase hgh by up to 400% when running hgh?
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No, natural GH output. I cycle hgh 6 months at a time, when I'm off injected hgh the combo of higher dose ghrp6/Cjc and prami make a good combo for drastically boosting "natural" GH output
 
Ok...so I squeeze my nipples now and brown liquid comes out lol. So obviously this is progesterin gyno. The only thing I can find is the prami from chemicalneed.com

I'm also going to take 300mg b6/day. My question is how much prami to halt any further gyno growth without inhibiting gains?

Thanks guys.

P.S...my nipples are really sexy right now.
 
An anti prolactin won't inhibit gai like an anti estrogen at a high dose could. Ra the dose to 1mg Ed at night p bed

Day 1-4 .2mg and add .1mg every 3-4 days tell you hit 1mg

Ramp too fast and you'll be so damn sick feeling

ironmanZVW said:
Ok...so I squeeze my nipples now and brown liquid comes out lol. So obviously this is progesterin gyno. The only thing I can find is the prami from chemicalneed.com

I'm also going to take 300mg b6/day. My question is how much prami to halt any further gyno growth without inhibiting gains?

Thanks guys.

P.S...my nipples are really sexy right now.
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ironmanZVW said:
My question is how much prami to halt any further gyno growth without inhibiting gains?
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I don't think there is a max dose of prami that will inhibit gains like an anti-estrogen. You might want to try some dostinex if the prami isn't working for you. I've never had dostinex fail for prolactin issues. The anti-parkinsons meds such as prami and dosntinex won't inhibit gains.
 
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