First cycle - am I doing this right?

[boltsnapbolt]

Hi everyone, I've been lurking these forums for a while now and been doing a bit of research. I've finally decided what I want to do and I just need an A-OK from someone so I know I'm on the right track.

I'm 6 foot tall, male, and 120lbs (very skinny).

I ordered 100x 10mg anavar tablets from a reputable source.

I was thinking for my first cycle ever, I take 10mg twice a day for 50 days, up my caloric intake to 3500 calories/day. As well take protien and creatine on the side.

Am I on the right track? I've read that some people take 80-100mg/day but I'm assuming those people are super buff already and need it for gainz, while me on the other hand, all skin and bones.

So 20mg/day. 3500 calories, protein/creatine supplements - and 90 minutes of the gym 6 days a week, will I be good?

 

[tgensin]

Hi everyone, I've been lurking these forums for a while now and been doing a bit of research. I've finally decided what I want to do and I just need an A-OK from someone so I know I'm on the right track.

I'm 6 foot tall, male, and 120lbs (very skinny).

I ordered 100x 10mg anavar tablets from a reputable source.

I was thinking for my first cycle ever, I take 10mg twice a day for 50 days, up my caloric intake to 3500 calories/day. As well take protien and creatine on the side.

Am I on the right track? I've read that some people take 80-100mg/day but I'm assuming those people are super buff already and need it for gainz, while me on the other hand, all skin and bones.

So 20mg/day. 3500 calories, protein/creatine supplements - and 90 minutes of the gym 6 days a week, will I be good?

I wouldnt even use steroids dude... you have way too much natural learning and growing to do. Best advise I can give is eat a shitload and lift a shitload. roids are not a magic pill, you need to learn how to diet and workout first otherwise they wont help you at all.

based on you being 6 foot 120 pounds you arent eating nearly enough. when I say eat I mean eat every meal till you want to puke thats the only way to pack on weight while working out because I assume youre "eating a lot now" and not gaining. obviously not eating enough.

 

[dylangemelli]

no you are a million miles away from the right track... you cant use steroids at 6'0 120 pounds dude... im not sure how you are even surviving at that weight at that height... how old are you... i mean, you have to be eating next to nothing, if anything... you need to gain 50 more lbs naturally and even then you would be undersized and shouldnt use steroids... this is pure insanity and i dont think a 3 year old would advise you to use steroid... the point is someone that is clueless wouldnt advise it...

 

[tgensin]

no you are a million miles away from the right track... you cant use steroids at 6'0 120 pounds dude... im not sure how you are even surviving at that weight at that height... how old are you... i mean, you have to be eating next to nothing, if anything... you need to gain 50 more lbs naturally and even then you would be undersized and shouldnt use steroids... this is pure insanity and i dont think a 3 year old would advise you to use steroid... the point is someone that is clueless wouldnt advise it...

these are the people that give roids and the bodybuilding community a bad wrap. its not magic. the only thing it does for people who want the quick fix is hurt them.

 

[dylangemelli]

these are the people that give roids and the bodybuilding community a bad wrap. its not magic. the only thing it does for people who want the quick fix is hurt them.

i agree a million percent

 

[boltsnapbolt]

I'm 26, I've been hitting the gym and eating healthy for the past few months. I have very toned muscles but even with protein powder and creatine I'm not getting much gains, and thats during a bulk cycle.

I naturally have low testosterone, and for whatever reason I'm not bulking up. I know anavar isn't mainly to bulk, as it increases strength of muscles more than give pure muscle mass, and after a couple of years of researching all the different options I finally settled on a low dose anavar to aid in my bulking cycle (yes I know anavar is mostly used for cutting.)

I chose anavar because it's my first cycle and it seems to be my safest(ish) option right now.

I've been to many doctors over my life about not being able to gain weight and this is a problem for me.

I'm not just some kid who's thinks "OUU if I take this magic pill I'll be buff!"

I'm genuinly asking for advice here, if you think I make this community look bad because I'm asking for advice for my first time, then I'm sorry. But I did my due diligence. Also Im 130lbs, I didn't know how to edit my original post.

All I'm asking for is advice on what to do, that's it.

- - - Updated - - -

-also, like many people have said in the forum, I assumed that the recommended 60mg for men is recommended for men that are 170lbs+
That's why I was asking if 20mg would be ok for a first cycle if I'm 130.

 

[tgensin]

I'm 26, I've been hitting the gym and eating healthy for the past few months. I have very toned muscles but even with protein powder and creatine I'm not getting much gains, and thats during a bulk cycle.

I naturally have low testosterone, and for whatever reason I'm not bulking up. I know anavar isn't mainly to bulk, as it increases strength of muscles more than give pure muscle mass, and after a couple of years of researching all the different options I finally settled on a low dose anavar to aid in my bulking cycle (yes I know anavar is mostly used for cutting.)

I chose anavar because it's my first cycle and it seems to be my safest(ish) option right now.

I've been to many doctors over my life about not being able to gain weight and this is a problem for me.

I'm not just some kid who's thinks "OUU if I take this magic pill I'll be buff!"

I'm genuinly asking for advice here, if you think I make this community look bad because I'm asking for advice for my first time, then I'm sorry. But I did my due diligence. Also Im 130lbs, I didn't know how to edit my original post.

All I'm asking for is advice on what to do, that's it.

- - - Updated - - -

-also, like many people have said in the forum, I assumed that the recommended 60mg for men is recommended for men that are 170lbs+
That's why I was asking if 20mg would be ok for a first cycle if I'm 130.

Youre missing the advice we are giving you. " IVE BEEN HITTING THE GYM AND DIETING FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW" The point we are trying to make here is that you have not done what you can naturally by any means. you do know it takes years and years right? not a few months. This is the point we are trying to make.

also you're leaving out a ton of info here. you "eat a lot, still can't again weight" what is a lot? what do you consider a "bulk" dieting for a few months you havent even figured out what your body needs to grow as far as macros. that takes years and years to figure out. trial and error. 11 years ago I was 145 pounds and im now 200 with around 12% bodyfat. you know how many years its taken me to achieve this? when I first started I thought the same thing "I eat too much and can't gain weight". ill tell you right now what you think is a too much isnt enough. I had to eat around 10k calories a day for all my college years and only got up to 175 pounds and half of it was shit weight.

The advise we are giving you is because what you are telling us is from someone that hasnt been in the game long enough to even know how much a barbell weighs.

 

[boltsnapbolt]

also you're leaving out a ton of info here. you "eat a lot, still can't again weight" what is a lot? what do you consider a "bulk" dieting for a few months you havent even figured out what your body needs to grow as far as macros. that takes years and years to figure out. trial and error. 11 years ago I was 145 pounds and im now 200 with around 12% bodyfat. you know how many years its taken me to achieve this? when I first started I thought the same thing "I eat too much and can't gain weight". ill tell you right now what you think is a too much isnt enough. I had to eat around 10k calories a day for all my college years and only got up to 175 pounds and half of it was shit weight.

I mean I'm 100% sure I'm making an ass out myself right now. Yes I am not at all experienced. The closest thing I could possibly do is a lot of research and go on forums to talk to vets about it. I already purchased the anavar, should I just forget about it and attempt to eat 10k calories everyday for the next couple years, and after I hit 150 then conisder the anavar?

Obviously I should have went on this before ordering, I feel ridiculous.

I just assumed it would be ok since the drug is also for women and athletes who have not amassed a lot of muscle mass, like me.

Nowhere did I read that I could be too skinny for anavar, or that I had to be a minimum weight.

I'm sincerely glad I joined this forum. Just feel kinda humiliated now -which sucks. But at least I know my gameplan now? 10k cals a day till I hit 150lb, then consider it?

 

[tgensin]

I mean I'm 100% sure I'm making an ass out myself right now. Yes I am not at all experienced. The closest thing I could possibly do is a lot of research and go on forums to talk to vets about it. I already purchased the anavar, should I just forget about it and attempt to eat 10k calories everyday for the next couple years, and after I hit 150 then conisder the anavar?

Obviously I should have went on this before ordering, I feel ridiculous.

I just assumed it would be ok since the drug is also for women and athletes who have not amassed a lot of muscle mass, like me.

Nowhere did I read that I could be too skinny for anavar, or that I had to be a minimum weight.

I'm sincerely glad I joined this forum. Just feel kinda humiliated now -which sucks. But at least I know my gameplan now? 10k cals a day till I hit 150lb, then consider it?

My guy,

Im not trying to be an asshole and you can do whatever the hell you want. Im just saying there is no point in doing any type of steroids until you learn how to reach what you can naturally. you obvisouly just have a ton of learning to do and going the steroid route should never be the first thing. Im sure 100% of the dudes who know what they are doing on here would say they would have never done steroids if it werent for their body maxing out naturally. Its a next step sort of thing not an answer.

As far as the game plan no I wouldnt just start off eating 10k a day lol its just what I had to do. I was a hardgainer myself just like you and thats what I had to do. Just eat a ton a learn how to lift properly and in 3 months time start tweaking your diet and start figuring out what you body actually needs. Some bodies love high fat. some love high carbs. some love high protein some love low. its all an individual thing but the only way to figure it out is time trial and error unfortunately.

In the end you can do what you want I just know by the way you are talking you dont know nearly enough about diet and lifting so I would advise you to not take the anavar till you atleasr figure it out a bit. once you do you will be surprised at what you can gain naturally. Hell you will even become somewhat of a chef with all the meals you will be making.

 

[Gruntwerkz]

Tgensin has already squared you away.

First of all anavar is extremely mild, especially 20mg ED for a male, that’s nothing. Anavar is not a mass building drug. You’re also still a little on the young, well your old enough it’s still not worth it.

You admit yourself only a few months of eating and training, that’s not enough experience or growth naturally to even consider the idea of PEDS.

I would give it a couple years of eating a lot and lifting hard before you consider this again.

You also didn’t even mention running a post cycle therapy or liver support which shows you didn’t do much homework, and like I said anavar isn’t a mass drug, and even though it’s mild a PCT is still necessary.

Eat big, lift big and rest bigger man. You’ll grow!

 

[boltsnapbolt]

Fair enough!

I'll be training harder and eating as much as I can (trying different things) and trying to grow naturally.

As for liver and PCT, last week I asked my Dr. to run testosterone and liver bloodsamples before taking (illegally) anavar. When the tests came in he said my liver was fine, and that my testosterone was low enough to warrant an anavar prescription, I had already obtained some so I told him I wouldn't need it. (He also said I wouldn't be needing cod liver oil or anything else on such a low dose.) When I asked about PCT, my dr. said that
"A: low dosages of anavar doesn't really need PCT, and
B: The "fastest pct" is going cold turkey" or something like that, something about the pituitary gland and producing the normal amount of testosterone faster than if on pct.

Anyways - my plan was to be doctor supervised the entire time. But now I'll just try to grow naturally.

 

[Turtleman198]

Being 6 foot and 120 pounds makes me question if you even know hoe to properly diet and lift. You should have waited. Try GOMAD(gallon of milk a day). Ill bet you will make more gains from that than anavar on your current diet

 

[OutlawV2]

Yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb here and not flame ya man... At least you had the guts enough to ask the question.....

6'0 and 120 yeah man, you GOTTA EAT CALORIES.... You'd be better off eating Ben N Jerry's every day after training and just try to pack on weight WHILE YOU TRAIN AS HEAVY AS YOU CAN.... I'd say for at least a year....

How do you know you have low Test???? Did you run blood work? And if so what were the results?

What does your diet look like currently? How many calories and how many meals per day.... for one don't do anything aerobic at this point.... Only anaerobic IE lifting.... Hell you can even do like two quarter pounders a day from Mcdonalds if you have to... That's what CT Fletcher did..... LOL

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I'm 6 foot tall, [26-yer-old] male, and 120lbs (very skinny).

Your using AAS would be a waste of money, boltsnapbolt. For one must have a physical basis with which to build upon for AAS to be effective; that which you do not have.
What you need to do is to train very, very hard and very, very consistently complete with proper form. So, too, do you need to eat, eat, eat and then eat some more. And then, just when you've eaten so goddamned much food that you think you're going to puke, eat some more!
Once you reach, say, 170lbs while carrying no more than 12% body fat, then and only then should you begin to use AAS.
Indeed, boltsnapbolt, your ticket to becoming bigger lies within your refrigerator, not within a vial and/or a bottle of AAS.
Now go eat!

 

[Turtleman198]

Being 6 foot and 120 pounds makes me question if you even know hoe to properly diet and lift. You should have waited. Try GOMAD(gallon of milk a day). Ill bet you will make more gains from that than anavar on your current diet

I read more of the thread, its not the end of the world that you made a haste purchase, everyones been there. I just think you should know that the anavar will last a year and even then you could be WAY more ready, not to the standard that others think you should be, but atleast way closer.

If i were you id do 1 gallon of milk a day, it forces skinny nattys to understand what a bulk actually should feel like. Is it going to be pretty? Probably not, youre going to gain fat, but your also going to gain alot of muscle and especially strength. I gained 30 pounds if fat over 2 months if gomad, then did a 1 month maintenence, and then cut, i ended up gaining 6 pounds of muscle... many have said thats not possible but it happened. Granted i was only 1.5 years into lifting or so.

I also made great gains on the p.h.a.t routine by layne norton. Its a straightforward routine with decent volume, intensity and mixture of compound to accessory movements.

In all, save anavar for next year, do GOMAD, and do p.h.a.t

 

[stevesmi]

I'm 26, I've been hitting the gym and eating healthy for the past few months. I have very toned muscles but even with protein powder and creatine I'm not getting much gains, and thats during a bulk cycle. .

protein powder does not build muscle. that is your first mistake

2nd you need to get on a proper diet and workout program for YEARS before steroids

and finally what you said about low testosterone. no shit. i have no doubt you have low testosterone but you know what bro? not everyone was born to be 6 foot tall and 225 pounds at 4% body fat or play pro sports. why don't you accept your limitations here and set a realistic goal

 

[tgensin]

Fair enough!

I'll be training harder and eating as much as I can (trying different things) and trying to grow naturally.

As for liver and PCT, last week I asked my Dr. to run testosterone and liver bloodsamples before taking (illegally) anavar. When the tests came in he said my liver was fine, and that my testosterone was low enough to warrant an anavar prescription, I had already obtained some so I told him I wouldn't need it. (He also said I wouldn't be needing cod liver oil or anything else on such a low dose.) When I asked about PCT, my dr. said that
"A: low dosages of anavar doesn't really need PCT, and
B: The "fastest pct" is going cold turkey" or something like that, something about the pituitary gland and producing the normal amount of testosterone faster than if on pct.

Anyways - my plan was to be doctor supervised the entire time. But now I'll just try to grow naturally.

Here I am and legally have low test because I split my pelvis ans died (came back to life but was pronounced dead) in a motorcycle accident last year and my doctor still wont give me test. and my doctor wont even put me on TRT. Sounfs to me of your doctor is working with you to do a drug you purchased illegally makes me believe you shouldn't listen to that doctor man.

 

[Chemically Enhanced]

1. I agree with everything already said. I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're doing in the gym, watch other gym users and learn proper techniques, maybe even hire a personal trainer/coach for a month or so to design a program for YOU specifically. You could contact one of our mods here on site, they do this sort of thing.
2. Eat, eat and more eat will only get you fat. Take your time and do it right - increase your caloric intake AND your workout frequency and intensity. Don't just eat until you want to puke.
3. 20mg of Anavar is nothing, women take that much but only because they can't tolerate AAS as well as men can - body hair, deepening of the voice, clitoris enlargement and baldness are all permanent and very serious side effects for a woman. You can leave your Anavar for a few years, absolutely nothing will happen to it. Just keep it in a cool and dry place.
4. Your doc is an idiot (somewhat). Even mild anavar is suppressive and require PCT to recover promptly. Or course you will recover without PCT but it will take longer and while you're recovering, you will be loosing your valuable muscles that you worked so hard to gain. PCT is necessary. Besides, did he really suggest you take Anavar instead of putting you on Testosterone injections? This is weird, just weird. I'd personally consider TRT rather than taking anavar. Raising your testosterone level to a normal range (if you really are on a low side) will put you into anabolic state and force your body to start putting on muscle and will increase your appetite and that is without any lifestyle changes. This is a fact. I'm not suggesting you should do that, at 26 you're still too young. I was put on TRT at 30.

 

[Mobster]

I mean I'm 100% sure I'm making an ass out myself right now. Yes I am not at all experienced. The closest thing I could possibly do is a lot of research and go on forums to talk to vets about it. I already purchased the anavar, should I just forget about it and attempt to eat 10k calories everyday for the next couple years, and after I hit 150 then conisder the anavar?

Obviously I should have went on this before ordering, I feel ridiculous.

I just assumed it would be ok since the drug is also for women and athletes who have not amassed a lot of muscle mass, like me.

Nowhere did I read that I could be too skinny for anavar, or that I had to be a minimum weight.

I'm sincerely glad I joined this forum. Just feel kinda humiliated now -which sucks. But at least I know my gameplan now? 10k cals a day till I hit 150lb, then consider it?

Or keep going until you're 160-170

 

[Turtleman198]

1. I agree with everything already said. I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're doing in the gym, watch other gym users and learn proper techniques, maybe even hire a personal trainer/coach for a month or so to design a program for YOU specifically. You could contact one of our mods here on site, they do this sort of thing.
2. Eat, eat and more eat will only get you fat. Take your time and do it right - increase your caloric intake AND your workout frequency and intensity. Don't just eat until you want to puke.
3. 20mg of Anavar is nothing, women take that much but only because they can't tolerate AAS as well as men can - body hair, deepening of the voice, clitoris enlargement and baldness are all permanent and very serious side effects for a woman. You can leave your Anavar for a few years, absolutely nothing will happen to it. Just keep it in a cool and dry place.
4. Your doc is an idiot (somewhat). Even mild anavar is suppressive and require PCT to recover promptly. Or course you will recover without PCT but it will take longer and while you're recovering, you will be loosing your valuable muscles that you worked so hard to gain. PCT is necessary. Besides, did he really suggest you take Anavar instead of putting you on Testosterone injections? This is weird, just weird. I'd personally consider TRT rather than taking anavar. Raising your testosterone level to a normal range (if you really are on a low side) will put you into anabolic state and force your body to start putting on muscle and will increase your appetite and that is without any lifestyle changes. This is a fact. I'm not suggesting you should do that, at 26 you're still too young. I was put on TRT at 30.

I agree with just about everything you said but i will say that during a noobs first legit bulk, they shouldnt be to worried about fat. I say that cause the minute this dude starts packing on the lb's and his skinny abs dissappear theres a chance he will get psychological issues and start cutting or going on maintenance(i can tell cause he described himself as something like lean instead of skinny). It happens to ALOT of beginning lifters and it held me back from bulking hard for almost my whole first 2 years of lifting.

GOMAD made me actually know what i should feel like in terms of strength and somewhat weight gain. I did have a 2 month cut after, but id say that bulk was my saving grace for lifting, otherwise id still be eating 2500 cals a day, hitting accessories and not doing the 30 other small subtle changes to my diet and routine i picked up on that forceful caloric surplus.


Plus GOMAD is easy, macros are pretty balanced so noobs dont have to watch diet as much, they can worry about routine and sleep

 

[stevesmi]

please don't do 10K calories a day or drink a gallon of milk a day

unless you just want to get fat. you sure as hell will not build quality muscle mass that way

 

[Eddie Haskell]

10k cals a day till I hit 150lb, then consider it?

Nope. A mere 150lbs would still not provide you with the physical basis with which to build upon. At 6' tall, that physical basis would begin at 170lbs. Do not delude yourself by thinking otherwise.

 

[muskate]

please don't do 10K calories a day or drink a gallon of milk a day

unless you just want to get fat. you sure as hell will not build quality muscle mass that way

Not only will it not build quality muscle, it'll actually prevent muscle gain since the higher your body fat = the worse your muscle insulin sensitivity

 

[tgensin]

Not only will it not build quality muscle, it'll actually prevent muscle gain since the higher your body fat = the worse your muscle insulin sensitivity

You guys are correct, I didnt mean it literally. He needs to eat and eat and eat though but clean foods. The reason I said all that was because he obviously has no idea where to even start. I was simply stating that he needs to eat a shitload of food and learn how to train.

 

[Nismo99]

All the good advise has been dispensed. Now it's up to you.