First Cycle (need advice)

[Green]

Some Stats:
Age: 19
Height: 6”1
Weight: 150lb

Hi there! This is my first thread, just wondering if I could get some advice from yee mighty gods.

I understand that with my height and weight there are still large gains to be had with or without steroids, however my body is an ectomorph to the extreme.
I’ve been working out 6 days a week and eating right and I’ve gone from maybe 145 to 150 in over 7months – creatine, protein shake and everything. I have bodybuilding friends and trainers working with me so I know there’s not an issue with my workout and/or diet.

I plan on running an oral D-bol only cycle for 6 weeks (I read that effects taper off after 5/6 weeks), at a very low dose (15mg a day) just to get the ball rolling somewhere. My schedule can be found below:



I have a few questions:

1) If my estrogen levels after the cycle are not too high, is it still beneficial to use Nolvadex?
2) Would Proviron be necessary with such a small dose of D-bol?
3) Im planning on gaining maybe 20lbs by the end of the cycle. If I eat right and exercise properly, are these gains within reach considering the dose and my body type?
4) Is it okay to use just Nolva as for my PCT?

At such a low dose will nut-shrinkage be an issue? I’m afraid of taking proviron with such a small dose as I don’t want to throw off my hormones too much, and I heard estrogen is good for simply maintaining good health.

I also plan on taking Milk Thistle and lots of fish oil as I heard its good for the liver. Any other recommendations? I’m totally new to this so don’t hold back from obvious advice, any and all will be appreciated!

 

[gymrat827]

dude your 19.....

food. like a fuck lot of it. i dont care how much your eating now. more. If your not getting fatter your not eating enough.

trust me man, i was in college when i started. wont say what yr.....but i had no knowledge and got fuct over on money, still have a small bit of gyno, fuct up my liver pretty good and so on.


read here, learn. Once you have all your ducks in a row......and a few yrs pass. than hop on the train.

 

[Image0r]

Bro your not going to get any help here with your age. Your body is still growing. Eat eat and eat.




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[BBBill]

Since your gonna take the d-bol anyways regardless of what we say, Here are answers to your questions:
1) to be safe, I would take nolvadex during and a few weeks following the cycle. I would take 10 mg per day as too much nolvadex will decrease gains. Don't wait until you get gyno and then decide to take nolvadex. Once you get gyno it's permanent, although it may reduce in size when the steroid is discontinued. Once a user gets gyno, it is very likely that it will get worse with every cycle. Dianabol also has a high conversion to DHT in the body which aggravates acne in many users and promotes male pattern balding. Anti-estrogen will circumvent these effects.
2) I wouldn't bother with proviron since it is moderately toxic to the liver. Taking it along with d-bol is multiplying the amounts of stress on the liver.
3) on your first cycle, I wouldn't be surprised if you gain 3-4 pounds a week on your cycle. Much of the gains will be from water retention and will be lost following the cycle. Don't be upset when your cycle is over that you lose a lot of water weight as this is normal. Take Creatine, keep calories high, and keep training intensity high to maintain maximum gains following a cycle.
4) nolvadex should be enough pct with the low amounts of d-bol your taking. Your nuts will be fine as well, considering the short cycle duration. Milk thistle and maybe nac-acetyl cysteine wouldn't hurt.

 

[fortitude18]

Bro...... get with Dylan on here and run some Sarms before this cycle.............If you are about to be a pro athlete and or a DIV 1 athlete i understand your pressure, but doing just to do it at 19 is a little young....But there are many peptides such as GHRP 6 which will help you consume serious calories and there are Sarms out there that can help reach your goals before trying D Bol....You need more then milk thistle...Get N2 guard at least from the stickies...Websights are listed as well in the stickyies....Good luck bro

 

[msanchez]

I mean...even if you were 29...this "cycle" still wouldn't cut it. Dbol-only is not a good cycle.

 

[EZ_E]

Holy shit what a disaster....

You've gained 5 pounds in 7 months and you think there's no issue with your workout & diet?

You're entirely too young and your stats are f-in horrific to even THINK about juice......and if this post pisses you off, that's fine. If I save you a shit load of long term health problems you can hate me forever....

 

[13bret]

To young for gear. Get a personal trainer/nutritionist and see great results.

 

[Green]

Holy shit what a disaster....

You've gained 5 pounds in 7 months and you think there's no issue with your workout & diet?

You're entirely too young and your stats are f-in horrific to even THINK about juice......and if this post pisses you off, that's fine. If I save you a shit load of long term health problems you can hate me forever....

No no, that's why im on this forum, to try to find out what's best for me and get advice of people who know what they're talking about. Appreciate your input

Bro...... get with Dylan on here and run some Sarms before this cycle.............If you are about to be a pro athlete and or a DIV 1 athlete i understand your pressure, but doing just to do it at 19 is a little young....But there are many peptides such as GHRP 6 which will help you consume serious calories and there are Sarms out there that can help reach your goals before trying D Bol....You need more then milk thistle...Get N2 guard at least from the stickies...Websights are listed as well in the stickyies....Good luck bro

Can you recommend me a Sarm? I've heard of s4 and Ostarine but also heard they're new and the side effects seem slight but people still aren't sure what long term damage it might have. I looked into GHRP 6 but its an injectable, and would prefer something oral. It seems like something that would work great in my case however, something that increases apetite would work well.
Thanks for your input!
Would i still need N2 guard if i use a sarm or peptide?

Since your gonna take the d-bol anyways regardless of what we say, Here are answers to your questions:
1) to be safe, I would take nolvadex during and a few weeks following the cycle. I would take 10 mg per day as too much nolvadex will decrease gains. Don't wait until you get gyno and then decide to take nolvadex. Once you get gyno it's permanent, although it may reduce in size when the steroid is discontinued. Once a user gets gyno, it is very likely that it will get worse with every cycle. Dianabol also has a high conversion to DHT in the body which aggravates acne in many users and promotes male pattern balding. Anti-estrogen will circumvent these effects.
2) I wouldn't bother with proviron since it is moderately toxic to the liver. Taking it along with d-bol is multiplying the amounts of stress on the liver.
3) on your first cycle, I wouldn't be surprised if you gain 3-4 pounds a week on your cycle. Much of the gains will be from water retention and will be lost following the cycle. Don't be upset when your cycle is over that you lose a lot of water weight as this is normal. Take Creatine, keep calories high, and keep training intensity high to maintain maximum gains following a cycle.
4) nolvadex should be enough pct with the low amounts of d-bol your taking. Your nuts will be fine as well, considering the short cycle duration. Milk thistle and maybe nac-acetyl cysteine wouldn't hurt.

Thank you so much! I'll look into other options but if I decide on D-bol i'll take this into consideration.

dude your 19.....
food. like a fuck lot of it. i dont care how much your eating now. more. If your not getting fatter your not eating enough.
trust me man, i was in college when i started. wont say what yr.....but i had no knowledge and got fuct over on money, still have a small bit of gyno, fuct up my liver pretty good and so on.

read here, learn. Once you have all your ducks in a row......and a few yrs pass. than hop on the train.

Okay, thanks for your advice

 

[fortitude18]

1.Bro stick around and read...Do me a favor postpone your cycle to you get some reading in and counseling from experts on Gear
2.The sticky's have the web sight for sarms......Look up Dylan Gemelli on you tube...There is vids on Sarms
3.If you do not like needles do not do steroids in my opinion....You only get one liver and orals are harder on the liver......GHRP 6 is slin needle not a 25 gage...You do not feel it but I understand if needles are not your thing...
4.yes N2Guard just to be safe

 

[Green]

Great thanks I've been watching his vids he's really knowledgable.
Thanks for your help

 

[dylangemelli]

Since your gonna take the d-bol anyways regardless of what we say, Here are answers to your questions:
1) to be safe, I would take nolvadex during and a few weeks following the cycle. I would take 10 mg per day as too much nolvadex will decrease gains. Don't wait until you get gyno and then decide to take nolvadex. Once you get gyno it's permanent, although it may reduce in size when the steroid is discontinued. Once a user gets gyno, it is very likely that it will get worse with every cycle. Dianabol also has a high conversion to DHT in the body which aggravates acne in many users and promotes male pattern balding. Anti-estrogen will circumvent these effects.
2) I wouldn't bother with proviron since it is moderately toxic to the liver. Taking it along with d-bol is multiplying the amounts of stress on the liver.
3) on your first cycle, I wouldn't be surprised if you gain 3-4 pounds a week on your cycle. Much of the gains will be from water retention and will be lost following the cycle. Don't be upset when your cycle is over that you lose a lot of water weight as this is normal. Take Creatine, keep calories high, and keep training intensity high to maintain maximum gains following a cycle.
4) nolvadex should be enough pct with the low amounts of d-bol your taking. Your nuts will be fine as well, considering the short cycle duration. Milk thistle and maybe nac-acetyl cysteine wouldn't hurt.

If i ever see you advising someone under 21 how to use steroids again your gone, no questions asked... This is disgraceful and i wont have this shit here... You should be ashamed of yourself...

 

[Loadcoil78]

Wait on your cycle, there's plenty if time for that later. Some will say I'm wrong and I may be but this is what worked for me when my weight wouldn't budge
Drop your workouts from six to three or four days
Go with high volume, German volume training does the trick for me although your joints will need a break from it now and then
Eat a lot. I mean eat harder than you work out. Eat food you like and eat till you are pushing it in. If you start getting a little fat you can always dial it back.
When I would go out to eat I would order 2 entrees and finish it all. Just my 2 cents


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[msanchez]

If i ever see you advising someone under 21 how to use steroids again your gone, no questions asked... This is disgraceful and i wont have this shit here... You should be ashamed of yourself...

I agree, Dylan, but you know, if the kid is going to do it, I can understand BBBill's point. I refrained from giving any advice, but I at least can understand where he's coming from.

The problem today is that kids (literally) don't want to put any time or effort into the gym or eating. It's a cultural thing. I have a 16 year old brother who refuses to take my advice, and he asks me why protein shakes don't make him big. It's a lost cause.

 

[BBBill]

If i ever see you advising someone under 21 how to use steroids again your gone, no questions asked... This is disgraceful and i wont have this shit here... You should be ashamed of yourself...

I understand where your coming from and wont advise someone under 21 again, but in my opinion people under 21 are the ones most likely to hurt themselves. If you all turn your backs on someone for help, regardless of age, they can really hurt themselves. I was trying to prevent a young guy from hurting himself by Educating. Hope that makes sense.

 

[dylangemelli]

I understand where your coming from and wont advise someone under 21 again, but in my opinion people under 21 are the ones most likely to hurt themselves. If you all turn your backs on someone for help, regardless of age, they can really hurt themselves. I was trying to prevent a young guy from hurting himself by Educating. Hope that makes sense.

I can understand your heart being in the right place and that makes sense to a point but here's where the problem occurs... These young guys come in and trust me, they already know they are going to get flamed and should not be using but what they do is look, creep and wait... they wait until finally just ONE person will help guide them, either some prick who just doesn't care of someone like yourself, who thinks they are helping them by giving them advice so they don't hurt themselves, but in reality you are just helping them achieve what they set out for... to sucker you in and guide to do something WE ALL KNOW they should not be doing... im sorry if i came down hard on you but you have to understand something here... EVO WILL NOT be the place where kids can get steroid advice... as liberal as it is here, there are standards as well and one of those is looking out for the well being of EVERYONE... giving advice to someone to do something they should not be doing, whether they run it properly or not, is harmful... That will not go on here... I will never allow that... That is something that may go on at many other forums, but they simply don't care about the health and safety of their members... On Evo, everyone needs to be looked after and taken care of... That is why I was so upset, because while you may have thought you were doing something beneficial, it was in fact, extremely counterproductive to the high standards that have been set here... I hope you understand where I am coming from...

 

[EZ_E]

This theory of "Well you're going to do it anyway so here's what you should do" on the boards has GOT to go

 

[13bret]

This theory of "Well you're going to do it anyway so here's what you should do" on the boards has GOT to go

Agreed. Just refuse any advice on steroids, tell em it's for their own good. Gotta show that tough love

 

[BBBill]

I won't help anyone under 21 in this forum since that is what the mods are asking of me, but one thing people think when they decide to first use steroids, is that they know all the risks vs. benefits going into it. Educating people about the good, bad, and the ugly before they decide to use is pretty important in my book. Most people don't really know anything except that they want to get big. Lets face it, steroids are bad for all of us, not just people under 21. I'm a 38 yr. old, 260 lb. monster that a lot of young people look up to in the gym. I have prevented a lot of people (young and old) from taking steroids as well as from hurting themselves by educating them. I believe giving advice is always better then not to give any advice at all.
I see how NOT helping someone under 21 can be considered bad for the forum. Most people are at this forum trying to learn about steroids in one way or another. People under 21 shouldn't even be allowed on the forum if you don't want to help them.

 

[ambis]

Hey just thought I'd drop a quick line. I went through similar hard-gaining at your age. I was thin and could eat as much as I wanted during regularly scheduled meals with no changes. I had to add meals to make a difference. Do a modified version of the age-old gallon of milk a day advice. A gallon was too much for me, but you can still add some comfortably. So here's my suggestion:

Eat as much as you can without making yourself miserable during regular meals. Drink an extra glass of milk in the morning. Eat two chicken breasts and a glass of milk right before bed.

This was the only way I could add calories without screwing my whole day up when I was 20ish. Mass will come with time anyways, but this should help.

 

[brooklynstar]

damn 19 is young.. they say your first cycle is the best cycle.

 

[JackSteel]

You just need to eat MORE. period


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[JackSteel]

Bro...... get with Dylan on here and run some Sarms before this cycle.............If you are about to be a pro athlete and or a DIV 1 athlete i understand your pressure, but doing just to do it at 19 is a little young....But there are many peptides such as GHRP 6 which will help you consume serious calories and there are Sarms out there that can help reach your goals before trying D Bol....You need more then milk thistle...Get N2 guard at least from the stickies...Websights are listed as well in the stickyies....Good luck bro

Good idea.


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[clydefrog]

"too young for gear" ...not what you want to hear ,but true...don't learn the hard way.

 

[Willindy120]

Take all this advice and wait. I'm happy I did... I was 6'3" at your age and about the same weight. I'm now 24 and got to a solid 205 without roids and with PROPER dieting and training. . I know it sucks but it will come.

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[Tailchaser]

Listen to everybody and wait man. My best friend started cycling at 19, hes 30 and is stuck on trt. He was forced to be on trt at the age of 27, please you dont want to make such a big mistake so young. Your body has so much potential to grow at your age.

 

[Flip Digler]

Think of this , you end up fucking yourself up and catch a limp dick for the rest of your life , that alone scared me into waiting ! Listen to these guys , they know what there talking bout ! Trust us !


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