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Been training since my late teens - now I'm nearly 40 & considering taking my first cycle! Though, I started bodybuilding I soon grew a passion for Power-lifting. So, I'm looking for a cycle that will be good for strength, without too much excess weight-gain (obviously, with limited negative side-FX)! I really am VERY ignorant, despite my many years training, in various gyms! So advice on compounds, amounts, & counteracting side-effects, plus recommendations on suitable post-cycle therapy, too would be advantageous & greatly appreciated!

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Also get blood work done first. Ask for test and estrogen and lipids and the full panel. See if your Dr will also allow Growth Hormone and igf .
The reason for the last 2? Cause ya never kmow..right now it's a little test and 5 years from now your on growth hormone...

Now if your bloodwork shows you have low test and you are a candidate for treatment then you may wanna just go on treatment. Even if you don't....guess what. You won't need 500mg of test per week. You can do 250 a week and get good results.
Mind you if you have normal test levels then 250 a week ain't gonna work for you.
If you do have low test then 250 or even 200 a week will bring you up past where you are now. If you decide NOT to do Treatment then that means you better be ready to loose what you gain because your natural test levels will sink low again. Even if you run a good pct.
When you run a cycle you intend to come off of and do pct you should most certainly use HCG at 250iu 2x a week during the cycle.
When you pct you start closed and Nolvadex too. Not just closed.

To follow up...1st order get your blood work.
2nd decide how you want to proceed.
3rd get everything you need.

All the while you should be developing and action plan to eat and train at optimal levels. Your diet and training should start well before your cycle. You wanna be able to gain a little mass or lose a little fat or both before you cycle. There is always room for a little more improvement naturally even if you think you can't.

If your Dr doesn't wanna test your estrogen,gh,IGF then try a private lab...private bloodwork.
Or just contact a trt Dr. You will have to pay for the full run with the trt dr...but they will check it all. And if you decide to go the trt route you can use this Dr.
You get your TRT dialed in and then you can blast at 500mg later down the line.
I'm not telling you to go on TRT...but I'm 44 and I had low t and never kept much gains when I cycled off.
But trt is a big decision and you need to research it.

Hope that helps

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No. The above advice is completely wrong. You only need test and should only do test first cycle. Why? Cause of a few reasons.
1) you will make nice gains from test alone. Save the orals for another time. Nothing like the first cycle. You will definitly make gains. Later cycles your body doesn't respond the same so you need to add more. Save it till then.
2) Side effect management. You never did test before so if you introduce test and tbol what is making you have side effects?
Oh but tbol usually has no side effects. Bullshit! All drugs do.
First time I used tbol I became very lethargic. Now if that was my 1st cycle while dosing test 1st time how would I know it's the tbol? Or the test?
3) And you should research your orals . They all do different things. Tbol and var are not big mass gain drugs but they don't aromatize. Dbol aromatizes big time but you blow up. What do you prefer?
Save the orals for another run trust me.

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For pct... you need hcg throughout the cycle.
Clomid and Nolvadex (tamoxifen) for pct.
For long esters test...like enthanante or cyp you need approximately 14 days after last injection before you start the pct.
Before bloodwork is mandatory especially at your age. Don't fuck with this.
During bloodwork would be helpful so you van adjust your AI (adex,aromasin)and after blood work. To see if you fully recovered.
At your age if you plan a.pct you better stock pile extra Clomid and Nolvadex in case you don't rebound properly and need to run another pct...believe me it's a strong possibility it will happen. If you don't have the stockpile on hand and your 1st pct fails you will be scrambling to get the drugs u need and waiting 2 weeks to a month ...all the while you will be stuck in a shut down low test nightmare feeling like shit.


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Thanks whippedeye,
I had considered TRT, if my tes' levels require, as from what I've read! As far as I am aware I will NOT get the extra tests (as you suggested). I have NO intention of using 'Growth', in the future! I planned to start the cycle once I finish current maintenance part of my training regime (currently @ 65-70% of my max.) & step-up my effort & get nearer to 100% of my max. lifts! Thinking that any cycle planned to aid strength gains, would be best uterlised whilst training at, or near my max.
I will use Nolvadex as well as Clomid for PCT, I wasn't aware that I'd need/should take HCG during the cycle! Should I take it as soon as I commence the cycle? Like, exactly at the same time I start the tes'?
Certainly planned to get blood-work done before I started!

Cheers!!!
 
2 compounds for a first cycle.. So if u run into shit u won't know which one caused it... Terrible advice
 
Thanks for your input lads!
I see how the Tbol/Dbol may not be necessary, at present.
Thanks for the tip on stocking up on PCT in case, whippedeye & clarifying the HCG usage! I plan to JUST use tes' to see how I get on, anyway. As, ’roids may not agree with me & I am aware, already its best to start at a minimal dose then increase as I have to! "Less is best ...", etc!
I certainly planned for blood tests, prior to starting, but the advice from u all regarding that is VERY much appreciated!

Cheers, again!!!
 
Stick with test,first cycle,then you can play around with something else after,tbol is ok,but orals aren't!!!!!
 
I would of start with 250mg's a week, that is what I did and I feel as if it is a waist. The jump from 250-500 is insane. I would reccomend 500 mg a week, I would personally shoot 250 mg's twice a week.
 
DarthRoider said:
I would of start with 250mg's a week, that is what I did and I feel as if it is a waist. The jump from 250-500 is insane. I would reccomend 500 mg a week, I would personally shoot 250 mg's twice a week.
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I agree with this. If you are going to do a cycle - you might as well do it right.
A simple testosterone only cycle of 10-12 weeks at 400-500mg/week is your best option for a first cycle. 250mg/week is not much more then a testosterone replacement therapy dosage. You really aren't going to notice much from it.

Check out this video I made on how to run a first steroid cycle -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqBLCSaKsW4

In this article series I explain how to do injections -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...er-injection-techniques-–-part-2-a-49351.html

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone e or cyp 500mg/week (inject 250mg twice per week)
aromasin 12.5mg every other day <- very important to prevent against estrogen related side effects like gyno and water retention.

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
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