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Hi all. New here. Have a bunch of basic questions. This is my 2nd cycle.
I'll make it short and to the point. Diet is keto. My stats are 5'11, 200pds, 14%bf

I'm wanting to run a prop, npp, winny, proviron Cycle.

Questions:
1) ideally, what are the lengths I should run these compounds? I'd like advise on structuring this cycle

2) main goal has always been size. However at 14%bf and summer around the corner, I don't mind sacrificing size enhancement for more asthetically pleasing. Question 2- what doses would be ideal for prop, npp, winny, proviron.

3) very amateur question I'm sure but it's been a year since my last cycle of test e+ dbol. My guy has prop in 100ml bottles..Npp in 100ml bottles...
question 3-how many bottles do I need to buy of each? Is their some kind of chart for future I can compare ml with how many shots it works out weekly?

Thanks for your answers. I know these are simple questions so I really only need helpful advice.

Cheers
 
getbig101 said:
Hi all. New here. Have a bunch of basic questions. This is my 2nd cycle.
I'll make it short and to the point. Diet is keto. My stats are 5'11, 200pds, 14%bf

I'm wanting to run a prop, npp, winny, proviron Cycle.

Questions:
1) ideally, what are the lengths I should run these compounds? I'd like advise on structuring this cycle

2) main goal has always been size. However at 14%bf and summer around the corner, I don't mind sacrificing size enhancement for more asthetically pleasing. Question 2- what doses would be ideal for prop, npp, winny, proviron.

3) very amateur question I'm sure but it's been a year since my last cycle of test e+ dbol. My guy has prop in 100ml bottles..Npp in 100ml bottles...
question 3-how many bottles do I need to buy of each? Is their some kind of chart for future I can compare ml with how many shots it works out weekly?

Thanks for your answers. I know these are simple questions so I really only need helpful advice.

Cheers
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OK.
I would do a 10 to 12 Week Cycle, this is up to you, I like 12 Weeks.

For the Prop and NPP ~ 100 Mg EOD will give you some Nice Lean Gains and Good Strength.
For the Winny ~ 4 to 5 Weeks in the beginning or end of Cycle, for Winny, I like the last 5 Weeks to tighten-up.
Dosage should start @ 20 Mg AM and 20 Mg PM, for the 1st few days, and then you could go up to 50 or 60 Mg.
Again this is how you feel when doing it. If the Winny is 100% Legit, meaning it's Dosed Accurately, then 40 Mg a day might be all you need.

Now for the Proviron, I like 50 Mg a Day in a Split format.
Anything above that and you'll spend more time looking to get Lade then worrying about Training.

So a True EOD Format is like this.
1st week is M/W/F/Sun
2nd week is T/T/Sat and repeat.............................................. JP
P.S.
I would absolutely use Aromasin and Not Arimidex as your AI.
As Proviron and Winstrol are both hard on the Liver and Cholesterol.
And Arimidex will only add to that problem over time.
Aromasin on the other hand will Improve Cholesterol.
P.S.S.
Also, you need to take Tudca and NAC when doing any AAS, but especially Orals.


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For how many Vials you'll need, depends on whether you go 10 or 12 Weeks.
You'll get 10 Shots out of a Vial.
For 10 weeks you'll need 4 Vials of each cause you'll have a Total of 35 Injections based on a True Every Other Day Format.
For 12 weeks you'll need 5 Vials of each cause you'll have a Total of 42 Injections.
 
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Wow big help! Thank you man, I appreciate all this! 400 each is enough to gain some size? And I won't have libido problems doing same about of npp as test? Getting it up?

Thanks a shit ton brother. Really appreciated your help as I'm lost
 
getbig101 said:
And I'm confused....rotating week is only 3 days of injection? T/t/f..isn't that less then 400mg a week?
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It works out to be 350mg/week because you inject 100mg EOD. The first week you inject 300mg and the second you inject 400mg. It averages out to 350mg/week.

Throughout your cycle you want to use an AI to keep your estrogen in the low-normal range. Aromasin at 10mg EOD is a good dosage. You can order it from ag-guys.com. You also need an anti-prolactin drug like cabergoline or prami. 0.5mg E3D

Also, as JP mentioned, winstrol is a liver toxic oral steroid. You are going to want to use a good liver aid when running it. I recommend n2guard from n2bm.com.
 
getbig101 said:
Wow big help! Thank you man, I appreciate all this! 400 each is enough to gain some size? And I won't have libido problems doing same about of npp as test? Getting it up?

Thanks a shit ton brother. Really appreciated your help as I'm lost
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This is exactly the Cycle I ran a little over 2 years ago.
And really got some Nice Lean Gains.

Remember, Libido and Bloat and Gyno are all the result of High Estrogen.
So keeping your Estradiol within range will prevent all the above.

As far as Prami, I've never needed it while doing any 19-Nor.
But this can vary with the younger guys that are more Prone to Gyno.
But again if you keep track of how you're feeling, you can prevent this before it gets out of hand.

2 big signs that your Estrogen is high are Bloat and Pissing less water than you're consuming.
Rises in BP are also an early sign as Water Retention goes up so does your BP.

That's why it's so important to keep a Log of what you're doing, and how you're feeling.
I Log everything during my Cycle very precisely ~ Training/Diet/Doses of AAS/Doses of AI/and every day how I feel/along with Bloodwork.
If you track this, you will see Trends, this will Not only help during your Current Cycle but All Future Cycles.
As you can look back and see Exactly what was what.................................................. JP
P.S.
Letrozole only if you're having signs of Gyno (lump), and then only as long as it takes to resolve the issue.
But if you dose your Aromasin Correctly, you shouldn't have any need for Letrozole.
 
Thanks JP and Muskate. Putting my order in tonight so wanted this all sorted out...if I have any questions on cycle, I'd like to come back and get your experience.
 
getbig101 said:
Hi all. New here. Have a bunch of basic questions. This is my 2nd cycle.
I'll make it short and to the point. Diet is keto. My stats are 5'11, 200pds, 14%bf

I'm wanting to run a prop, npp, winny, proviron Cycle.

Questions:
1) ideally, what are the lengths I should run these compounds? I'd like advise on structuring this cycle

2) main goal has always been size. However at 14%bf and summer around the corner, I don't mind sacrificing size enhancement for more asthetically pleasing. Question 2- what doses would be ideal for prop, npp, winny, proviron.

3) very amateur question I'm sure but it's been a year since my last cycle of test e+ dbol. My guy has prop in 100ml bottles..Npp in 100ml bottles...
question 3-how many bottles do I need to buy of each? Is their some kind of chart for future I can compare ml with how many shots it works out weekly?

Thanks for your answers. I know these are simple questions so I really only need helpful advice.

Cheers
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Well you mentioned how big the vials are, but also depends how much gear is per ml of oil. I assume if its prop and npp, it should be something like 100mg/ml, so then if you run a cycle for 10-12 weeks, which is approximately 70-84 days = 35-42 pins

Each pin you would need 1 ml. Which means you are good with 1 vial of each and then it will be plentiful for another cycle to repeat again
 
They are 100mg/ml 10 ml bottles. So for 12 weeks at 400 mg a week of each I was told 5 bottles of each will suffice.

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Muskate can I up my aromasin to 12.5 eod instead of 10 mg e3d? My pills come as 25mg plus as I'm not super lean I don't wanna take the chance of getting any estrogen nloat, lastly I heard aromasin takes awhile to Kickstart in your system?

Also I was planning on running my ai through pct with clomid for 4 weeks.....

What doses of clomid would u use?
 
Ok so put my order in. Excited!

Only thing I couldn't get was prami or caber. Hope I won't need. Also I will be waiting to start cycle till I can pick up some N2guard. I have liver protection herbal pills but not sure strong enuff.

Lastly, I got proviron but only 50 pills at 25mg...so basically 4 weeks worth. I hope I'll see some difference...

When I get more $ I'll be getting more proviron during cycle and prami if I need.

Ready to go!
 
Ok so I'm now in my twelve week...and love how I look. Unfortunately, at some costs, one possibly serious.

I seriously need to know some experienced advice here. I damaged my liver with the winstrol...I was only taking 500mg (some days 75mg) for about 2 weeks then stopped, but the damage was done. While on it, I became soooo tired, to the point I couldn't even go to the gym. I also noticed near the end of the 2 weeks, I was getting red flush in the face. I got off it because of the tiredness.

Tiredness is gone but now if I take any kind or oral pill, I get red flush in the face and feel nausea. I tried continuing my proviron. Same result. Even the aromasin, half a pill and I'm red flush in the face and nausea.

I'm getting my blood checked tommorow but I have no doubt I have damaged my liver....which leaves me in a real predicament now...as I'm at end of my cycle and I have to do my pct!!!

My question is what would u guys do? Give your liver a needed rest to heal and skip pct and sacrifice your natural hormone levels...or take a chance and do the clomid and aromasin to save your natty levels but hurt your liver even more?!

I'm in a bad spot here. I'll get blood work back in approx 2-3 days. This is my last week injecting my test and npp.

What the f*ck should I do?
 
getbig101 said:
Ok so I'm now in my twelve week...and love how I look. Unfortunately, at some costs, one possibly serious.

I seriously need to know some experienced advice here. I damaged my liver with the winstrol...I was only taking 500mg (some days 75mg) for about 2 weeks then stopped, but the damage was done. While on it, I became soooo tired, to the point I couldn't even go to the gym. I also noticed near the end of the 2 weeks, I was getting red flush in the face. I got off it because of the tiredness.

Tiredness is gone but now if I take any kind or oral pill, I get red flush in the face and feel nausea. I tried continuing my proviron. Same result. Even the aromasin, half a pill and I'm red flush in the face and nausea.

I'm getting my blood checked tommorow but I have no doubt I have damaged my liver....which leaves me in a real predicament now...as I'm at end of my cycle and I have to do my pct!!!

My question is what would u guys do? Give your liver a needed rest to heal and skip pct and sacrifice your natural hormone levels...or take a chance and do the clomid and aromasin to save your natty levels but hurt your liver even more?!

I'm in a bad spot here. I'll get blood work back in approx 2-3 days. This is my last week injecting my test and npp.

What the f*ck should I do?
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Take

N-A-C
milk thistle
Dandelion
Chanca piedra
Picosoria
Stop orals

Drink plenty water and pray!


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Email me at [email protected]
 
Ok so you're saying I should sacrifice regaining my natty hormone levels in favor of repairing my liver?

I agree. I'm just gonna be fucked with low testosterone for a year or more in this case.....is there anything I can do to get my normal levels back up once my liver has repaired itself?
 
getbig101 said:
Ok so you're saying I should sacrifice regaining my natty hormone levels in favor of repairing my liver?

I agree. I'm just gonna be fucked with low testosterone for a year or more in this case.....is there anything I can do to get my normal levels back up once my liver has repaired itself?
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Neither clomid or nolvadex are liver toxic and won't effect your liver. You need to run a proper PCT after each cycle you do.

None of the compounds in the perfect PCT protocol carry a liver toxic nature -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
They are perfectly safe to take.
 
getbig101 said:
Ok so you're saying I should sacrifice regaining my natty hormone levels in favor of repairing my liver?

I agree. I'm just gonna be fucked with low testosterone for a year or more in this case.....is there anything I can do to get my normal levels back up once my liver has repaired itself?
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no that is what pct and bridging is for.

sarm's are also not liver toxic at all
 
As mentioned, just because something is taken orally does not mean it is liver toxic. Nolva and Clomid are fine to take. I would get some N2Guard and run 7 caps per day. Let us know how the blood work turns out.

I am also curious as to your source for your AI and what dose you were running. The blood work will show but often people get this feeling in their face like a woman having a hot flash indicating an estrogen issue. Just trying to look at all possibilities.
 
My ai was aromasin. I look great, no water bloat...however quite a bit of arm and back acne.

I'm still fucking cautious about taking the clomid and aromasin.

I'll post my blood work online for you guys to see. Get it back Monday

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Where can I pick up some n2guard. I'm in Canada. Best price.
 
getbig101 said:
My ai was aromasin. I look great, no water bloat...however quite a bit of arm and back acne.

I'm still fucking cautious about taking the clomid and aromasin.

I'll post my blood work online for you guys to see. Get it back Monday

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Where can I pick up some n2guard. I'm in Canada. Best price.
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You should use clomid for PCT, so there is no real way around it. Clomid is a very safe compound, so I would not be concerned with it. You can get it from N2BM.com - they deliver internationally, so you will get it in Canada without any problem at all.

getbig101 said:
I'm taking, HCG, clomid, aromasin for my pct. I am looking to buy N2guard asap for my liver.
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It would be wise to add in there nolvadex and Ostarine. However, I would not use HCG, neither on cycle, nor off cycle, since its benefits are definitely not worth all the risks. It can cause such side effects as gyno and suppression, and it will barely do anything for your natural testosterone production. In fact, it only mimics the functions of LH and FSH, but it will not actually make them work. As a result, you will get an increased level of testosterone only while you take HCG, which will drop back down as soon as you stop using it. Therefore, it would make sense to use something that will cause less side effects and actually do something for your natural testosterone production. For instance, you can use HCGenerate ES - it will keep the plums big and functioning during the cycle, and it will be a great help for natural testosterone production during PCT, since it will make LH and FSH actually work. As a result, your body will keep producing testosterone even after you stop taking it. However, unlike HCG, it will not cause any side effects at all, and it is more convenient, since it is taken orally. Besides, the libido boost from HCGenerate ES is a sight to see.

getbig101 said:
Do you guys know where I can pick this N2guard up?
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Either n2bm.com, or n2bm's shop on amazon. In both cases they will deliver internationally, and the package will get to Canada really fast.
 
You know, I'm pretty absent minded right now, but I didn't see that you did pre cycle blood work, or 4 weeks in to your cycle. If this would have been done, you might have been able to find a preexisting condition related to your liver. I know orals are highly toxic, and I'm sure you felt bad after only 2 weeks, but I'm having a hard time believing your liver was damaged in 2 weeks. It might be stressed, but only 2 weeks shouldn't damage you that bad. Can you give us a history of your health? Have you ever abused, or used alcohol heavy? NSAIDS, oral Narcotics such as Vicodin, Norco, Percocet, etc will kill your liver with long term or at abusive levels.

Remember a full panel of blood work is much cheaper and less stressful than a stressed, or damaged liver.

If you have lived clean during your life, the good thing is your Liver will start healing itself. Maybe not completely, but some. Our body is an amazing thing.
 
So talked with doctor over bloodwork. Liver enzymes are 1.58?

He says not alcohol related. I told him no shit. I run steroids lol. He says give it 6 months taking no orals and will heal itself.

He advised I don't run my clomid and aromasin for pct...but I think I'm gonna take a chance and run them. See how I feel.

High bad cholestorol. 6.98. Could be because of my steak eggs and butter diet also could be cuz liver stressed and not cleaning enough

Also I picked up liv52 pills instead of n2guard. These are himalaya liver care liv.52.

Good reviews and around the corner.
 
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