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axaboutme2
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What are the pros and cons of HCG and is it a must have while on cycle with Test only or will a really good PCT protocol work just fine for recovery?
Many many opinions, I think it's must in a cycle.
The big problem is there aren't any studies about that. so like PCT it's one of the thing - it work so we won't do any change.
In the past people have administrated the HCG in the PCT period, after that people have changed their opinions to HCG during the cycle. after that (nowadays) HCG can be worse. so it's opinions and nothing backed up with studies.
The big problem is there aren't any studies about that. so like PCT it's one of the thing - it work so we won't do any change.
In the past people have administrated the HCG in the PCT period, after that people have changed their opinions to HCG during the cycle. after that (nowadays) HCG can be worse. so it's opinions and nothing backed up with studies.
If you take some time to do some research on HCG, you will find that it does more harm then good. Read this: http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/
HCG will increase LH and FSH, yes, but it will also increase estrogen levels and it's suppressive of natural testosterone production. The problem with HCG is that when you stop using it, your natural testosterone production is suppressed and you get an estrogen rebound to boot. That is why so many users experience gyno after HCG use.
I personally would use a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate from n2bm.com. You will get the same LH and FSH increase, with no natural testosterone suppression or estrogen rebound.
HCG will increase LH and FSH, yes, but it will also increase estrogen levels and it's suppressive of natural testosterone production. The problem with HCG is that when you stop using it, your natural testosterone production is suppressed and you get an estrogen rebound to boot. That is why so many users experience gyno after HCG use.
I personally would use a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate from n2bm.com. You will get the same LH and FSH increase, with no natural testosterone suppression or estrogen rebound.
It is for me. I use HCG during the final three weeks of each cycle that I run. It works marvelously. I'm never without it.
While it does seem to be a matter of personal preference with some Guys.
I only use HCG for 2 reasons.
1 ~ on a long Cycle and am experiencing Testicular Atrophy (Painful for me).
2 ~ coming off a Very Suppressive Cycle and need that reboot.
But I never go over 1,000 Iu's in any week due to the fact that it can Spike your Estrogen.
And also desensitize the Leydig Cells...................................... JP
I only use HCG for 2 reasons.
1 ~ on a long Cycle and am experiencing Testicular Atrophy (Painful for me).
2 ~ coming off a Very Suppressive Cycle and need that reboot.
But I never go over 1,000 Iu's in any week due to the fact that it can Spike your Estrogen.
And also desensitize the Leydig Cells...................................... JP
axaboutme2
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what do you mean testicular atrophy was painful for you? there's actual pain involved with suppression and atrophy?? Also can you run the HCG from day one of the cycle to prevent atrophy?
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But I thought with the use of an AI while on cycle you'll be able to control any increase in estrogen so in that case will the rise from estro from the HCG still be a problem if using an AI??
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But I thought with the use of an AI while on cycle you'll be able to control any increase in estrogen so in that case will the rise from estro from the HCG still be a problem if using an AI??
the hcg thing caught fire 5-10 years ago along, but as people started using it they figured out that it was actually suppressive. so using it on cycle is pointless, all it will do for you is keep your nuts plump and raise estrogen further. it doesn't prevent suppression, it causes suppression.. so using in PCT is like using hormones. hcg is actually a LH mimicker. so the theory that it can prevent shutdown has been hijacked by people who think plump balls means they aren't shutdown. not the same thing.
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Its not mandatory. Here on the forums, people usually do not advice using it. Personally, I keep it in my cycles (in, not during PCT)
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It is a matter of personal preference, but I would rather say that it has more drawbacks to it rather than benefits. At least you can get all of its benefits with alternative compounds without running the risk of getting the side effects of HCG, such as suppression and gyno. Indeed, its benefits are quite limited, and in my opinion these few and doubtful benefits are not worth all the risks. If you want to keep testicular atrophy away, you may as well use HCGenerate ES, which has no side effects at all, and yet does the job. As for its use during PCT, I think it is completely pointless, since it does not actually stimulate the production of natural testosterone production, so its kinda useless on PCT, even though blood work figures will show elevated testosterone levels.
axaboutme2
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I'm not planning on using it as PCT as it's pointless I agree with that. My question is if its beneficial using it on a cycle since I will be using an AI the estrogen levels shouldn't really be a problem right??
Based on personal experience, I will tell you this, axaboutme. Yes, using HCG while on cycle is very beneficial. At the conclusion of my first two cycles back in 2009, I experienced testicular atrophy (TA). So during the final three weeks of my third and all subsequent cycles (be they cutting or bulking cycles), I began using HCG, and I have not experienced TA since then. And I know literally dozens of guys who have exported the very same thing.
To be sure, good old relatively inexpensive HCG is all that one needs in order to avoid TA. And, in my opinion, the lot of the legal and so-called "alternatives" to HCG are just that - so-called alternatives.
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Uh, that should have read "...reported the very same thing." Damed auto"correct."
axaboutme2
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Thanks a lot brother. I'm doing a lot of research on the subject and there seems to me more people in favor of using it than not using it at all. Most people finding success with it so I'm more inclined to add it to my cycle. This being my first cycle I'm taking all safety precautions to ensure a very successful cycle and a even better recovery.
I get the same effects (nuts plumping up) with HCGenerate as you guys get with HCG. The difference is that I don't have to pin another substance and HCGenerate is all natural. It also does not cause estrogen to spike or suppression of natural test. Keep reading and I am pretty sure you will decide not to use HCG.
