Operation TRT

[MrAvg]

Alright EVO community I am more of a lurker and casual poster because I only really post when I have some value I can add based on real knowledge or experience but I do read virtually everything that goes on here regularly. I need some guidance / advice.
First off some background:
Mid 40's
5' 11"
185 lbs
Weight ranges from 175 - 200 based on commitment to diet
a realistic 12 % bodyfat level at the moment, ranges from 9 % 15 % throughout the year again depending on diet.
I don't like to bulk, it is not my thing. I am in this to maintain a mens physique type body. If I go over 200 lbs I start feeling too bulky and not myself.
My doppelganger is Jason Stathom, I actually look like him quite a bit from certain angles and we have similar body types.

Here is my situation - I will try not to be too long because know one likes a long post but I think the details are important to provide.

As any fellow Canadian would know getting on TRT is next to impossible in Canada and I thought I would never had a chance in hell given a conversation I had a couple years ago with my former doctor. Well I went to see an Endo for the fist time today on an unrelated matter and we ended up having a pretty candid conversation because he did ask if I used PEDs as it was relevant to the diagnoses( these guys can tell, it was obvious to him and he explained why) I really don't know if the average person or people who knows me realizes I use PEDs but when ever I bump into someone I haven't seen for a while I get the comments like. You been working out? or You look jacked. I just say diet and exercise, diet and exercise - You gotta stay committed. The Endo seemed to have an understanding of my circumstances and said that he had 100's of athletes under his care for TRT. I explained why I do PEDs, which for me is to maintain the fountain of youth and keep some lean definition. He said that if I went off for 1 month and came back with some bloodwork that he would consider putting me on the highest legal dose per week that he was allowed. He didn't even say my test levels had to come in low just within normal ranges. Funny thing is he started talking about TRT first as I wasn't even going to ask. He said that after being used to being on whatever doses I was in the past that I might not be satisfied with the results of TRT but I said that I would rather try a low dose pharmaceutical Testosterone dose and know exactly what I am getting that not know what I am putting into my body. - I played that card!

So anyway long story short.
Currently I am on self TRT or cruising and blasting whatever you care to call it.
Current Protocol
750 TEST E per week
600 TREN E per week - had another 4 weeks left to go on this
so 3 injections per week of each spaced out accordingly
and just started a few days ago 50 mg per day Bayer proviron

I have 3 weeks to get my test levels down. I am having a whack load of things checked as well, the usual panel of stuff.
I am most concerned with bringing down my Test so that I qualify for TRT

Question is? Do I just stop the Test? - let that crash and stay on the Tren and just push through it or should I being doing anything else to suppress the Test levels and I am not talking about going out drinking and get no sleep the night before. I don't sleep right now and I am not a drinker. I think 3 weeks should be enough time to bring it down but not sure how???.
Basically what is the wisest course of action I should take here if I want to ensure I don't mess up this potentially once in a lifetime golden opportunity?

 

[woribos]

Not enough time bro

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[woribos]

I would think you should stop everything right now is your best chance , some senior members would know better .I was cruising at 750 mg a week of test dropped to 100 mg of prescribed enanthate and in three weeks blood work came back around 550 so it gonna be close .

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[Hiasdamoon]

Ole fashioned bro-science always said that-

Train extra extra hard

No fats in diet

Blood test late in the day as Test levels are higher in morning

Tren by itself can crash test levels

I can't vouch for it as I haven't had the need, but these were the thoughts 5-7 years ago to crash test levels.

 

[Beastly]

I like mast e/test e TRT ...75 mg of each every 5 days...feeling like a boss!!

 

[steve dallas]

I'm on TRT and blast. When bloods come up I make sure I'm off for at least a month as to not jeopardize TRT and I still get private bloods ( I know you're in Canada) just to make sure. I'm no expert on half lives but I'll bet if you stop now you might be alright. See if you can push it out a little further.

 

[LevButlerov]

You would need to stop your cycle ASAP, and even in such case I am not sure that your body will have enough time to get the test levels down.

 

[Taurus]

I would shut the cycle down and reschedule the appointment 3 or 4 days prior, try to schedule it out a few more weeks. Say you will be out of town or something.

 

[Popeye]

OP , I think you are my doppleganger ! Same stats as you when I was 40. Im 42 now and on TRT and blast. When I go to TRT levels I get down to about 195 lbs and when I blast I sit between 200 and 205.

I look like an ugly version of Daniel Craig mixed with Jason Stathom !

Didnt the Dr tell you to come off your blast for BW?? I mean he knows what you are doing right? So just call him and tell him you need to bump the lab date out a bit, another 1 or 2 weeks. Honestly you dont have to say anything, as someone else said above, just call and tell em you have to do something and need to make another appointment....life happens. Good luck !

 

[MrAvg]

Thanks everyone, I think I will push the blood work and Endo appointment back another 2 to 3 weeks. Should be no big deal and should help the results. I still appreciate any feedback or comments

thanks again!

 

[Jrbdallas]

I'm not sure man. I hope someone comes by that knows. Not the first time this has come up.

 

[MikeSnow]

Yea you would definitely need to stop like last week..

 

[NutupRshutup]

So here are some "shoot from the hip" pharmacokinetic calculations for you. Assuming you have reached steady state on Test E at 750mg per week, you probably have a total test around 4000 right now. You are likely running UGL test which makes this assumption questionable. Test E has a half life of approx 10 days but does not exactly follow first order kinetic elimination. If you stop now, your serum concentration should decrease to 2000 in 10 days, 1000 in 20 days and 500 in 30 days. I would reschedule for 40 days to safely have a total testosterone under 500.

Your HPTA axis is completely shut down by the tren and will be for a long time. You can continue the tren, but be aware that if your physician is checking HDL/LDL your values will be very abnormal and might cause him concern in placing you on TRT. Do not concern yourself with insomnia, drinking or time of day to have the labs checked. None of these will have an affect in light of the tren suppression.

Continue the proviron as it might have a slight enhancement of free testosterone elimination, but stop it one week prior to testing or your free testosterone will be artificially elevated.

Good luck, please keep us posted with your course of action and results.

 

[muskate]

Alright EVO community I am more of a lurker and casual poster because I only really post when I have some value I can add based on real knowledge or experience but I do read virtually everything that goes on here regularly. I need some guidance / advice.
First off some background:
Mid 40's
5' 11"
185 lbs
Weight ranges from 175 - 200 based on commitment to diet
a realistic 12 % bodyfat level at the moment, ranges from 9 % 15 % throughout the year again depending on diet.
I don't like to bulk, it is not my thing. I am in this to maintain a mens physique type body. If I go over 200 lbs I start feeling too bulky and not myself.
My doppelganger is Jason Stathom, I actually look like him quite a bit from certain angles and we have similar body types.

Here is my situation - I will try not to be too long because know one likes a long post but I think the details are important to provide.

As any fellow Canadian would know getting on TRT is next to impossible in Canada and I thought I would never had a chance in hell given a conversation I had a couple years ago with my former doctor. Well I went to see an Endo for the fist time today on an unrelated matter and we ended up having a pretty candid conversation because he did ask if I used PEDs as it was relevant to the diagnoses( these guys can tell, it was obvious to him and he explained why) I really don't know if the average person or people who knows me realizes I use PEDs but when ever I bump into someone I haven't seen for a while I get the comments like. You been working out? or You look jacked. I just say diet and exercise, diet and exercise - You gotta stay committed. The Endo seemed to have an understanding of my circumstances and said that he had 100's of athletes under his care for TRT. I explained why I do PEDs, which for me is to maintain the fountain of youth and keep some lean definition. He said that if I went off for 1 month and came back with some bloodwork that he would consider putting me on the highest legal dose per week that he was allowed. He didn't even say my test levels had to come in low just within normal ranges. Funny thing is he started talking about TRT first as I wasn't even going to ask. He said that after being used to being on whatever doses I was in the past that I might not be satisfied with the results of TRT but I said that I would rather try a low dose pharmaceutical Testosterone dose and know exactly what I am getting that not know what I am putting into my body. - I played that card!

So anyway long story short.
Currently I am on self TRT or cruising and blasting whatever you care to call it.
Current Protocol
750 TEST E per week
600 TREN E per week - had another 4 weeks left to go on this
so 3 injections per week of each spaced out accordingly
and just started a few days ago 50 mg per day Bayer proviron

I have 3 weeks to get my test levels down. I am having a whack load of things checked as well, the usual panel of stuff.
I am most concerned with bringing down my Test so that I qualify for TRT

Question is? Do I just stop the Test? - let that crash and stay on the Tren and just push through it or should I being doing anything else to suppress the Test levels and I am not talking about going out drinking and get no sleep the night before. I don't sleep right now and I am not a drinker. I think 3 weeks should be enough time to bring it down but not sure how???.
Basically what is the wisest course of action I should take here if I want to ensure I don't mess up this potentially once in a lifetime golden opportunity?

You would need 4-5 weeks with the test e ester. Ask your doctor to delay the blood test another week or two. Be honest with him. Tell him you are currently using test e and want to wait 5 weeks from your last injection to take the blood test to get a fair reading.

Get off everything. Let your system completely clean out for 4-5 weeks and then get the blood work done.

 

[hurricane]

stop cold turkey and delay the test a bit. That is not enough time.