PCT after Bunk Gear? (lab results included)

[Kyper]

Hey guys. So currently on cycle.
Running:
Test P 150mg EOD
100 MG Mast EOD
50mg Winny ED

AI: Aromasin 20mg EOD
+Liver Support ED.

So I am 3 weeks in and just got my labs back and the results were not the best, haha. I have screencapped the important bits. While they are slightly elevated (for my age group) as far as FREE TEST goes, it's a far cry from what it SHOULD be.

So here is the important question.
Judging from the labs, the test and mast are obviously fake. But the Winny is in fact, real (judging by liver enzyme levels). So right now, my body would reflect a Winny only cycle. Running an oral only is stupid and I want to hop off and just start PCT. But how would I go about starting this? Just hop off today and start taking my Nolva tomorrow w/ my AI? Or is it like with Test P in that I should wait for it to clear before starting? And after that, do I need full month PCT or just 2 weeks? I will be getting labs post PCT to make sure everything is back to normal, but I think it would be weird to have a PCT longer than the cycle thus far.

This is my 3rd cycle and I have never had issues before and didn't think I would run into this one but I guess I screwed up and trusted someone I shouldn't have. Any helpful advice would be appreciated. Thank you guys.

 

[Grillmaster78]

Can you just get new gear and start again now? That's what I would do.

 

[muskate]

The PCT would be no different after an oral only steroid cycle then it would be for an injectable cycle. The only difference is that you would start your PCT right after your last dosage, where as with an injectable cycle you start the PCT 2 weeks after your last injection to allow for the steroid esters to clear out of your system.

Because you didn't run a whole cycle and only used winstrol, you can get away with a good 4 week mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

You can get everything you need off sarms1.com, n2bm.com and ag-guys.com.

Start the PCT the day after your last winstrol dosage.

 

[Jay Scott]

Sorry to hear that, man. Use the PCT with clomid & nolva like muskate suggested, check the approved sources on the forums and get proper gear for the next time

 

[stevesmi]

the winny is probably underdosed too

even with liver support your liver values would likely be higher.. unless you were running something very strong like n2guard with TUDCA, then those numbers make more sense.

where did you get this gear from bro? you can PM me if you don't want to say on here

that is shit gear, and the problem was it shut you down because even underdosed gear WILL shut a person down. in the future buy your stuff from roidmass>> https://www.roidmass.com/?tracking=5610d6c778198

 

[Kyper]

Thanks so much. Appreciate it. I'll take it then and place my order and hop off for PCT right after.

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Can you just get new gear and start again now? That's what I would do.

That what I was thinking because I went and found a new source yesterday that had been validated in the last 4 days with blood work, but because I've already been elevated for a few days I'd rather reset everything and then start again if I get someone else's stuff. I take labs work pretty seriously so it would be good to get a new starting baseline and then hop on new gear that way when I get the bloods done for the new source I can isolate the effectiveness.

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the winny is probably underdosed too

even with liver support your liver values would likely be higher.. unless you were running something very strong like n2guard with TUDCA, then those numbers make more sense.

where did you get this gear from bro? you can PM me if you don't want to say on here

that is shit gear, and the problem was it shut you down because even underdosed gear WILL shut a person down. in the future buy your stuff from roidmass>> https://www.roidmass.com/?tracking=5610d6c778198

I'll PM you because it's a well known source that has come through in the past BUT I was dumb and shouldn't have gambled with it because I haven't ordered from them in a few years and don't want to start a shitstorm haha.

 

[ebola]

you run winny only 6 weeks max, there is really no point to do PCT you recover within a week
I did short cycles like anavar + clen + test prop for 6 weeks it makes me look good but I would feel for a few days like a shit but all comes back to norm within week.

all the shit nolva, clomid like any other medication has side effects in 70s nobody even heard about nolva and they were doing fine

 

[blowingup72]

Why PM? Just let the board know so no one else gets suckered.

 

[Kyper]

Why PM? Just let the board know so no one else gets suckered.

Fair point. It was through Balkan Pharmaceuticals.

I know Ashop.in deals with them and I avoided Ashop.
I ran the codes on the vials and orals I received on Balkan's website and all came back 100% legit.
Baseline labs were adequate w/ no abnormalities.
But 3 weeks into cycle I posted and these are the results. So obviously the stuff isn't fantastic by any stretch of that word.
Really sad because I used Balkan before with great success, but now it's garbage and made me kind of sad. Just gonna chalk it up to lessons learned.

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you run winny only 6 weeks max, there is really no point to do PCT you recover within a week
I did short cycles like anavar + clen + test prop for 6 weeks it makes me look good but I would feel for a few days like a shit but all comes back to norm within week.

all the shit nolva, clomid like any other medication has side effects in 70s nobody even heard about nolva and they were doing fine

True enough. Haven't read studies from that far back haha.
I just prefer to air on the safe side of everything. Don't like to gamble with it. Figured that even if the Winny (the only thing working apparently judging from lab values), I'd still be suppressed because it's kind of an "All or None" thing and didn't want to fucking with any chance at all of rebound gyno or anything. Never had it and trying to never get it ever.
But I suppose it would just be easier to drop off and then adjust fire if anything flares up. Gonna get new bloods done in a few weeks regardless.

 

[Grillmaster78]

Balkan huh? Honestly I was looking at there gear and they are on my "list" of trying out. You just saved me money if what you say is true, it's bunk gear. Thanks bro. I owe you a beer sometime. lol

 

[Kyper]

Balkan huh? Honestly I was looking at there gear and they are on my "list" of trying out. You just saved me money if what you say is true, it's bunk gear. Thanks bro. I owe you a beer sometime. lol

10/10 would not recommend. They used to be good. My first experience was great with them.
But they work very closely with Ashop.in who is known to supply bunk products. So I ordered their stuff from another supplier (who is now off the radar. What a shocker) I found and all of the stuff I received came back as being legit (from their own website) when I ran the vial codes. But as you can see, it is not up to par. If need I can supply images of the vials and everything else I have on hand if you need more credibility. Don't want anyone else to be out 400 bucks haha.

 

[Grillmaster78]

That's what sux, someone can be a legit supplier but then close up shop and screw everyone with orders in. I just don't get people selling bunk gear, meaning conscious wise, people will be injecting this stuff and expect quality gear. Right now I'm talking with a domestic source, makes his own gear, I'm going to place a test order in.

Even a "friend" at the gym has a product but I try to Google the name and nothing comes up. He swears he takes it and it's great stuff, but who do you believe, your gut instinct wanting to pass or someone telling you to your face straight up its legit.

It's funny, on a site that I go on which is about rating suppliers, you will see alot of vendors having glowing reviews but then all of a sudden the last string of people all claim they never received there order and the vendor goes dark.

 

[Kyper]

That's what sux, someone can be a legit supplier but then close up shop and screw everyone with orders in. I just don't get people selling bunk gear, meaning conscious wise, people will be injecting this stuff and expect quality gear. Right now I'm talking with a domestic source, makes his own gear, I'm going to place a test order in.

Even a "friend" at the gym has a product but I try to Google the name and nothing comes up. He swears he takes it and it's great stuff, but who do you believe, your gut instinct wanting to pass or someone telling you to your face straight up its legit.

It's funny, on a site that I go on which is about rating suppliers, you will see alot of vendors having glowing reviews but then all of a sudden the last string of people all claim they never received there order and the vendor goes dark.

Yeah man I don't really understand it either.

I think a lot of people get into it wanting to make good quality stuff, but they either get overloaded or jaded by the community and want to get out so they just bounce.
Either that or they're sociopaths who make good stuff just long enough to get good reviews, get huge amount of orders, collect the money and pop smoke.

If I was running a lab, I'd find it difficult (personally anyways) to screw someone out of money like that. I just don't have the correct mentality to be that cut throat I guess.

But I also know that they know no one is going to come after them because it's more of a hassle to try and chase them then it is to just cut your losses and admit you got scammed.
Like I'm upset my gear was lame and from such a reputable place (in the past anyways), but I also know that I'm not gonna personally hunt them down over it.

C'est la vie.

 

[Grillmaster78]

Well it sux that you lost that money, but the positive thing is that your telling people about it so they don't get taken. You honestly steered me away from a product I was looking at. Back 20 years ago, or even like 5 years ago we didn't have sites like this to post reviews and in your case warnings. I really appreciate your post man.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Why PM? Just let the board know so no one else gets suckered.

Agreed...Throw it out there. I would also run the mini PCT mentioned above. Basically a low dose winny only cycle PCT.

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Agreed...Throw it out there. I would also run the mini PCT mentioned above. Basically a low dose winny only cycle PCT.

Sorry...didn't see you name them in another post. Next time stick to approves sources. We make them go through a rigorous process and prove they have quality gear. Only the best here brother!

 

[Grillmaster78]

Agreed...Throw it out there. I would also run the mini PCT mentioned above. Basically a low dose winny only cycle PCT.

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Sorry...didn't see you name them in another post. Next time stick to approves sources. We make them go through a rigorous process and prove they have quality gear. Only the best here brother!

Can we set this kid up with some gear, since he wasted all his money on junk? I'd pitch in a few bucks, he seems honest.

 

[LevButlerov]

Given the situation, a 4 week mini-PCT as outlayed by @muskate should do the trick. Better get everything on point (all of the gear, PCT and ancillaries), and then start the next cycle. Obviously, if you got this kind of gear from Balkan, don't repeat the mistake, and opt for a different source.

 

[Kyper]

Agreed...Throw it out there. I would also run the mini PCT mentioned above. Basically a low dose winny only cycle PCT.

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Sorry...didn't see you name them in another post. Next time stick to approves sources. We make them go through a rigorous process and prove they have quality gear. Only the best here brother!

Yeah definitely going to order from here next time. It was my own fault and I should've been more cautious so just gonna chalk this one up to a life lesson. Thank you guys so much for all the advice!

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Can we set this kid up with some gear, since he wasted all his money on junk? I'd pitch in a few bucks, he seems honest.

Oh man haha this board is awesome. But you guys don't need to do anything for me! Kinda sucks, but I'll be ok getting something new set up. I appreciate the gesture though! Means a lot to me.

 

[Iwillrunyoudown]

Not the first time this board has helped people out. Ive thrown down $80 to help a dude out who got ripped off. I saw the trend of of helping hands and said "fuck it. Why not?" If i have gear at that moment I would have sent him that but i think someone else did.

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