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Hello, new to this forum but wanted to share a word of warning about the reliability of the PED test kits. I tested a sample of Primo from reputable vendor, the test kit returned a Negative result for primo. The test kit guy was adamant that what I had wasn’t primo when I followed up with him via email to review the test kit vials. I was skeptical so forked out the money to send a sample from the same vial to be HPLC tested by Jano. Lo and behold the result of the HPLC analysis was POSITIVE for primo. Moral of the story is that the PED test kits cannot be trusted and costed me $50 all up, and almost a perfectly good vial of primo had I trusted the result and tossed it. Use a trusted source and only opt for HPLC if you do want to get it tested.
Yep, but based on the site & what I’ve seen on social media posts it appears that plenty of people are still buying the kits. It’s good to be able to compare it with a HPLC result though - I don’t see that happening much (or they don’t post about it, at least…)
Yeah wouldn't touch those ped kits with a 10 foot pole
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It a scam brother, run on fear
@AliceInIronland the reason those kits don’t work brother is because they rely on cheap color-change reactions that can be fooled by other compounds. They don’t tell you purity and they can’t tell you if something is slightly altered but still close in structure. Many raws have overlapping reactions so the kit gives false negatives or false positives all the time. A proper HPLC or mass spec test separates the compound and shows exactly what’s inside with real numbers. Those mail-order kits are more like a party trick than a real scientific test. If you care about accuracy and not wasting product or money, lab testing is the only route that actually proves what you’ve got.
I've been a moderator and a trainer for years, I've seen roidtest kits complaints (USA side) literally every month.
I am reluctant to identify myself to the PED test people for fear that they might threaten or dox me. I did send both sets of results and details of my testing process to the vendor - I’ve said he’s welcome to contact them himself and share my data, since the PED test people in my email chain with them blatantly said that this particular product & brand always comes up with ‘contaminated’/ negative results using their kits
I am reluctant to identify myself to the PED test people for fear that they might threaten or dox me. I did send both sets of results and details of my testing process to the vendor. Even if I do share my results with PED test, do you really believe that they’ll publish them on their results spreadsheet, or share it on their socials?
Fair enough bro. You’d hope they wouldn’t do that but if you’d want to avoid any issues that’s fair.
Was interested to see what excuses they would make up for the test not working.. we all know they would try.
Unfortunately can’t risk it due to my job & I don’t know enough about them to trust that they wouldn’t do anything to seek retribution for calling them out. I assume that they’ll label it as ‘user error’ and accuse me of having not filled the vials per instructions etc. etc.
who threatened to dox you? who is the source post the info please.
@AliceInIronland we dont take this kind of threats lightly here.
Not the source, they’re fine and I’ve shared these results with them. I am referring to the PED test kit people - I don’t want to give them my personal or contact details in the process of calling them out for selling kits which have proven to be unreliable
Can you post pictures of the tests? You can keep it anonymous just blur background.
Why blank out the mg of primo lmao
It makes it traceable back to me because it’s a fairly specific .00 number - but it’s only just shy of 100mg/ml. I am posting this information simply to add to the pool of unbiased data so that others may use it to inform their own decision making should they choose to utilise a PED test kit (and the result they receive is a ‘negative’ one). I’m not seeking to gain anything from posting this, I just believe that this type of information sharing can be of benefit to other members
I've written about this extensively previously for those interested:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/alpha-labs.105257/post-1771456
- PED Test can't be trusted. Reagent testing is unreliable and has many pitfalls - she's aware of this but fails to educate her customers of them because it'd hurt her bottom line. Her core business model is not "harm minimisation", her core business model is driving sales through fearmongering.
- Dr. Tim's pilot program publishes unverified drivel that is simply a money grab to gain government grants for which he has been granted millions (over $4,000.000 in fact). You can verify this for yourself on his own page (https://experts.griffith.edu.au/32294-tim-piatkowski/grants). Much of what is published through his pilot program is unverified or completely wrong, going as far as listing products from vendors that they don't even stock or have ever stocked with the results being debunked numerous times.
His testing process is also a black box, being referred to as "new lab tech" where no one actually knows how the testing is conducted outside of their internal forensics team. It also goes through many iterations and is non-standardised. Just as the PED Test can't be trusted, neither can the tests Dr. Tim's pilot program conducts.
The inclusion of Dr. Tim's involvement here is important as she uses his publications as a way to push her product. He also guest writes on her blog. I'm assuming there's some kind of kickback deal in place here or he owns a minority stake in PED Tests. He does the research, pushes her product, and she uses him and his credentials as a way to obtain credibility to grow her business.
Even more interesting is that out of the 53 publications he's made, only 2 are related to AAS and they're both based on the psychological effects of AAS. God knows what the person who put this man in charge or a program he was never qualified to lead was smoking: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Piatkowski T&cauthor_id=39405812
What they've created is an fear fueled alliance that is one giant feedback loop to line their pockets with profits. It has not nothing to do with harm reduction. They contribute nothing of value to the the Aussie AAS scene, in fact, they do more harm by discrediting legitimate vendors which forces consumers to seek out alternatives, which unfortunately in many cases, has had them ending up in the hands of scammers. They're a shameful bunch.
Janoshik is the industry standard. If you want to get something tested, spend the money and get it tested properly. I've tried opening a dialog with these guys multiple times as I feel having a trusted domestic testing option would be fantastic for vendors and consumers, but after digging into their histories and motiviations further it is clear that these guys simply can't be trusted. Their motivation is purely greed and has never been about harm reduction or contributing anything of value to this industry.
If you're thinking about buying a PED Test, you'd be better off throwing the cash in the bin. Do not fund these people.
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Unless the PED test kit is real magic (like harry potter magic) then there is no way known it will be anything near hplc testing.
I realise this - but it’s the opposite of what the PED test kit people are promoting on their social media page… so people continue to use the test kits. I’ve shared my data as an example of how inaccurate the home tests really are.
They're better off in the bin. The worst part is that if you try to challenge them, they try to suppress any negative feedback by deleting comments and blocking you. They've even been given the option of having an intelligent debate in an open and moderated platform (like here on EVO), and have still declined because they know they'd be exposed for the frauds that they are.
@PEDTestAus is quick to label labs as scammers when they're in fact the ones scamming their customers by not being transparent about the limitations of the products they're selling. Shameful really.
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Agreed. Any inconclusive result ends up with the same canned response. It's like talking to a bot.
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the problem is,they're advertising all over the main social media pages taking advantage of PED users.
they can only spread there bullshit for so long word of mouth will catch up to them. like all the shit exit scamming labs, they will probably shut shop tweak there product and brand and re-launch
@Eddie Haskell i know there is alot of pinned post and we dont want to clutter the thread but i feel like this information should be spread far and wide fast, what do you think?
last bit of my rant
when i first started here on evo a little over 14 months ago i hplc tested every product i stocked, all came back with great results. i had a customer reach out saying my primo was fake and i had to inform him of how unreliable these tests are. not to my surprise the customer continued to return and was achieving great results on the primo
to summarise FUCK PEDTEST
We had a similar experience a short while ago. A customer tested their Proviron and it came back as something else. So we paid to have them get it tested by Jano and of course it was no surprise that it came back as Proviron:
https://janoshik.com/tests/42075-proviron_VF5QFQSVUT5I
I understand that "testing" is her business, but if you find yourself having to resort to constant fearmongering and spreading misinformation about labs to stay afloat, it may be time to reconsider that business model. Don't get me wrong, I think home testing is great and super convenient if they're able to get it right, and I think shady labs should absoltely get called out, but she goes after labs with big followings because she knows that's the kind of clickbait that'll get her engagement.
She needs to be transparent about the error margins associated with these kits. Testing finished oils and capsules that have their active ingredients mixed with fillers introduce variables that can cause inaccurate results - she knows this.
We have seen this with many people in the community. This very thread was started by the OP to report their experience with the inconsistent results. Hell, we've even had people use multiple PED test kits against the same product and the kits produced a different result every single time. These are reports I'm sure you she's intimately familiar with her but she dismisses them and still refuses to acknowledge the limitations of her kits.
PED Test isn't doing anything new or groundbreaking. LabMax was doing the same kind of testing a decade ago and they failed because they faced the exact same issues. She's not pioneering anything and her contributions to this industry are doing more harm than good - she constantly goes out of her way to actively damage the reputation of trusted and reputable labs for her own gain. She's not interested in harm reductions, she interested in selling moire kits. Period.
In any case, this is why we do our quarterly HPLC testing and we encourage all users to send their products off to Jano if they ever want to get anything tested - completely at our expense. Unlike PED Test, we have nothing to hide
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here here brother would also be great to see the members HPLC thread filled with more test results i will be happy to sponsor a portion of these tests and im sure a few other labs would as wellWe had a similar experience a short while ago. A customer tested their Proviron and it came back as something else. So we paid to have them get it tested by Jano and of course it was no surprise that it came back as Proviron:
https://janoshik.com/tests/42075-proviron_VF5QFQSVUT5I
I understand that "testing" is her business, but if you find yourself having to resort to constant fearmongering and spreading misinformation about labs to stay afloat, it may be time to reconsider that business model. Don't get me wrong, I think home testing is great and super convenient if they're able to get it right, and I think shady labs should absoltely get called out, but she goes after labs with big followings because she knows that's the kind of clickbait that'll get her engagement.
She needs to be transparent about the error margins associated with these kits. Testing finished oils and capsules that have their active ingredients mixed with fillers introduce variables that can cause inaccurate results - she knows this.
We have seen this with many people in the community. This very thread was started by the OP to report their experience with the inconsistent results. Hell, we've even had people use multiple PED test kits against the same product and the kits products a different results every single time. These are reports I'm sure you she's initimately familiar with her but she dismisses them and still refuses to acknowledge the limitations of her kits.
PED Test isn't doing anything new or groundbreaking. LabMax was doing the same kind of testing a decade ago and they failed because they faced the exact same issues. She's not pioneering anything and her contributions to this industry are doing more harm than good - she constantly goes out of her way to actively damage the reputation of trusted and reputable labs for her own gain. She's not interested in harm reductions, she interested in selling moire kits. Period.
In any case, this is why we do our quarterly HPLC testing and we encourage all users to send their products off to Jano if they ever want to get anything tested - completely at our expense. Unlike PED Test, we have nothing to hide
AJ
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We've been doing extensive testing over the last month or so. All our Jano results have been posted and can be seen in our thread
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- (August 14th): https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...updates-and-evo-discounts.103385/post-1808155
- (September 4th): https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...updates-and-evo-discounts.103385/post-1822294
- (September 6th): https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/ugl-oz-aussie-domestic-source-updates-reviews.103310/post-1824492
- (September 10th): https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/ugl-oz-aussie-domestic-source-updates-reviews.103310/post-1827071
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Literally sent him the test for that batch and he’s still yapping
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