Question about Advanced AAS/Cardarine/YK11 Cycle

[JayDub302]

Hi guys,
So I am somewhat new to PM, but since I have joined I have gained some valuable information. Background info:
28 years old
Been cycling AAS for past 3 years or so
New to SARMs and related compounds
I am 245 lbs at 6'0 w about 18% BF
I am running a recomp/cutting/lean bulk cycle.
I am running a 16 week cycle (mainly bc it's the first time ever running EQ - one of very few compounds I have tried)...
Anyways, it looks like this:

Compound: Weeks

Test E - 600/week 1 - 16
EQ - 600/week 1 - 16
Aromasin 10 mg/ED 1 - 16
Cardarine 20 mg/ED 1 - 16
Anavar 50 mg/ED 1 - 8
Now I am finishing up the Var and I am halfway through the cycle. I plan to run the perfect PCT afterwards.

I did a lot of research on cardarine before I got it, and when I purchased it I also grabbed some YK11 just to have... Well I hadn't done my research on YK11 and didn't know that it is an AR Partial Agonist. PARTIAL Agonists usually display BOTH agonist and ANTAGONIST properties - so when ARs are overstimulated (when excess amounts of DHT and/or Test are present), YK11 will actually act as a competitive inhibitor of the ARs.

I have been running 10-15 mgs of YK11 for the past 30 days or so and am about to run out. I am assuming I should stop YK and then what continue w just Test and EQ? I was thinking of adding Masteron but I'm not sure. I could continue the var but even though it is a mild oral, it isn't good to take those doses.

Thanks for any suggestions....



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[muskate]

To answer your first question - yes, stop the YK11 and continue with the test and eq.

Masteron is primarily a cosmetic drug. You aren't going to notice much from it unless your body fat is 8% or less. I think your cycle looks really good as it is. Test + eq + cardarine is a GREAT cycle lay out. Your dosages look good and I like that you are using an AI to keep your estrogen levels in the low-normal range. I would just run your cycle as is.

Anavar is a pretty mild steroid but it still is liver toxic. I don't think it's smart to run liver toxic oral steroids longer then 8 weeks.

My advice - Run test + eq + cardarine + aromasin just like you have laid out for the next 8 weeks, run the perfect PCT protocol, run a SARMS bridge and then start your next cycle.

 

[JayDub302]

To answer your first question - yes, stop the YK11 and continue with the test and eq.

Masteron is primarily a cosmetic drug. You aren't going to notice much from it unless your body fat is 8% or less. I think your cycle looks really good as it is. Test + eq + cardarine is a GREAT cycle lay out. Your dosages look good and I like that you are using an AI to keep your estrogen levels in the low-normal range. I would just run your cycle as is.

Anavar is a pretty mild steroid but it still is liver toxic. I don't think it's smart to run liver toxic oral steroids longer then 8 weeks.

My advice - Run test + eq + cardarine + aromasin just like you have laid out for the next 8 weeks, run the perfect PCT protocol, run a SARMS bridge and then start your next cycle.

Awesome. Thank you so much for the feedback! That's what I was thinking.... I want to cut the YK11. I am loving my cycle but idk what compound to attribute to what... I have ran masteron many times (mostly with prop and tren as the "ultimate cutting cycle") and along w other compounds and I still like the the effects. Being so androgenic and non-aromatizing, it definitely does give me a mental feeling that I love (alpha male/libido through the roof feeling), makes me more vascular, increases strength, aggressive, libido, and it keeps me dry (same weight but stronger) being androgenic and also bc of the anti E properties to it. But for the money, I agree. For whatever reason, I love the mental effects of Masteron and Proviron.

As for Anavar, it is one of my favorite compounds. Although it is weak in general, it's a safer, simpler, less toxic AAS than Winstrol. I also love the mental feeling from anavar. It keeps me dry, strong, and most of all, the gains are very attainable. Slow and steady wins the race. Plus it helps body fat loss (slightly) in the abdomen section (visceral fat), and does not aromatize of course.

I have never ran EQ for some strange reason. So I don't know what is causing what. I am definitely keeping the Test, EQ, aromasin, and cardarine. I just don't wanna lose the edge by dropping anavar and YK11 the second half of the cycle. I know EQ kicks in more during the second half of the cycle, so hopefully it'll be successful.

So I don't know what YK11 is doing VS the EQ vs Cardarine bc I have never ran any of them.
Anyways,
One of my questions about the perfect PCT; I do want to run the perfect PCT, but I am gonna have been on cardarine for 16 weeks before that. I would use SR9009 instead, but first off I read from a few sources that it has 0% oral bioavailability, and secondly I don't like how you have to take it so often bc of the short half life. Any suggestions for a replacement for cardarine for the perfect PCT? Or can I take a short break and hop back on cardarine?

Also, aren't REAL SARMs such as Ostarine - as suggested to use in the perfect PCT, suppressive? Idk why so many sources call compounds such as YK11 - an actual strong oral steroid, MK677 - an oral GH secretagogue, GW501516 (Cardarine), SR9009, etc. "SARMs" when they are NOT. It's confusing enough trying to learn about SARMs. Lol... Anyways, IS IT OK to run SARMs during PCT? Ostarine, S4, RAD-140, etc. seem like they have to be more than only 5% suppressive. Also, what about real HCG (not just HCGenerate)?

It has been an expensive cycle and I don't want to cut corners, but I wanna save some money when possible. Anyways, finances are not an issue w this cycle (just by the compounds that I am running), but I always seem to fuck up my PCT.

All I want is to keep my gains from this pricy but effective cycle by any means possible.

Feedback is welcomed as always...

THANKS GUYS!

Happy New Year!!



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[AddarInc]

Well you got that info quick!!

 

[JayDub302]

Well you got that info quick!!

Thanks and yes I knew most of that stuff but I do not know anything about SARMs.

https://www.quora.com/What-can-you-tell-me-about-YK11

This article really helped me...

Thanks guys & Happy New Years!


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[stevesmi]

simply google evolutionary.org and the name of the SARM's.. you will get several articles about them to learn more

Sarm's are very important to utilize today.. if you go to any crossfit gym guys are doping with them and the ones that aren't are being left way way behind. it is very important you learn how to use them and take advantage

 

[JayDub302]

simply google evolutionary.org and the name of the SARM's.. you will get several articles about them to learn more

Sarm's are very important to utilize today.. if you go to any crossfit gym guys are doping with them and the ones that aren't are being left way way behind. it is very important you learn how to use them and take advantage

Thanks Steve. Always appreciate the feedback. For me, it isn't really about understanding how one SARM works vs another, but more about me being confused as to why/how it is OK or even recommend now to run a suppressive compound during PCT. I don't plan to juice for that much longer, at least not the next 5-10 years while I am working on my career and want to have children, so I don't necessarily want a "bridge" between cycles... i'm looking for more of a permanent solution that can help me keep my gains without having to bridge until the next AAS cycle.

It is almost like proviron. Back in the day people recommended to use it for PCT but now they say not to run anything suppressive during PCT except for SERMs of course which aren't suppressive if used/dosed correctly and for the right amount of time (about 4 - 6 weeks for a real 12-16 week cycle - also depending on compounds ran). Anyways, does anyone have any credible clinical trials or research data, anything that shows exactly HOW suppressive SARMs are?

Last, as I mentioned above, YK11 is a partial agonist of the androgen receptors - and PARTIAL agonists can cause both agonist and antagonist properties... (In general). In the presence of excess DHT or Test, YK11 fights for the AR and acts as an antagonist (rather than letting the DHT and Test take its course)...

BUT, on the other hand, when there is a deficient amount of DHT or testosterone, YK11 will act as an AR agonist and activate the androgen receptor maximally.

"YK11 is a partial agonist of the AR and it would activate the androgen receptor to give a submaximal response when inadequate amounts of DHT or Test are present. In the presence of overstimulation of androgen receptors say when excess amounts of DHT or Test are present YK-11 will act as a competitive inhibitor of androgen receptors . This is because partial agonists typically display both agonistic and antagonistic properties.

Current pharmacodynamic data on YK-11 present has caused speculation that YK-11 will operate as an Antiandrogen with some anabolic potential in low levels of Test/DHT."

So would YK11 be OK to run during a bridge since it is beneficial during times when Test and DHT levels are low - like during PCT or maybe after PCT? Or would that just be like running anadrol or dbol as a bridge? Lol

Thanks guys....




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[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I agree with dropping the YK-11. There is not enough known about it in my opinion yet to be using it. I like the rest of your cycle though. Looks like something I would typically run. Nice slow gains without adding water.

SARMs like Ostarine can be run fine in PCT. It is only 4 weeks and Ostarine is only like 5% suppressive anyways. Cardarine is not actually a SARM but a PPAR so it is not suppressive at all.

 

[JayDub302]

I agree with dropping the YK-11. There is not enough known about it in my opinion yet to be using it. I like the rest of your cycle though. Looks like something I would typically run. Nice slow gains without adding water.

SARMs like Ostarine can be run fine in PCT. It is only 4 weeks and Ostarine is only like 5% suppressive anyways. Cardarine is not actually a SARM but a PPAR so it is not suppressive at all.

Thanks a lot. Yeah I really am enjoying this one. Great cycle without tren. I know cardarine isn't a SARM, but shouldn't you cycle it after 16 weeks straight? Or can you run it for another 6 weeks or so?

And great news about SARMs being able to be ran during PCT. It'll be a good cycle w attainable gains and a super successful PCT. Thank you Professional Muscle!

Happy New Years!!

Have fun and be safe....


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[bigmills]

Not really don't know what to say about this post I am mind boggled.. you have been doing this a long time brother and you know the answer to all these questions you're asking.. there is nothing magical out there that you can run during PCT that is not suppressive.. if I was you I would would continue with test, EQ, And aromasin..

We know what the optimal PCT is hch,aromasin,and clomid..

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[JayDub302]

Not really don't know what to say about this post I am mind boggled.. you have been doing this a long time brother and you know the answer to all these questions you're asking.. there is nothing magical out there that you can run during PCT that is not suppressive.. if I was you I would would continue with test, EQ, And aromasin..

We know what the optimal PCT is hch,aromasin,and clomid..

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Bro, what are you mind boggled about? I appreciate the compliment on the knowledge and I don't mean to be repetitive. But my questions always pertain to PCT - bc of my history of being unable to keep as much gains as I should for whatever reason even after running the "proper PCT".

YOU know all about that bro. You also know that I'm 100% aware that there are no magic pills that can do whatever you want...

I want rapid fat loss. But I will never touch DNP, T3, Tren, Clen, etc.

I also want the biggest, dry gains possible in as little time as possible. But I won't touch tren, nor would I ever even go near MENT, Etc.

I know it's the diet, rest/recovery and hard work in the gym that pays off.... Not any "magic pill".

But my question is: "WHAT IS THE PERFECT PCT?!"

According to all these very reputable and knowledgeable guys, they say the perfect PCT includes a SARM during your PCT, along w Nolva, Cardarine, etc.

I just want to keep these gains and my diet and rest is finally there, and halfway through my cycle I need to prepare for my PCT. I know HCG is a MUST, along w Clomid, Aromasin, (and IMO Nolva). But some think differently than we do and although there has always been a lot of disagreement about PCT regimens, hundreds to thousands of experienced bodybuilders are swearinggg BY this fairly new "Perfect PCT". I'm just curious bc I want to keep my gains! And Yes, HCG is definitely part of it. So I guess I am just going to slightly modify this perfect PCT and see what happens this time around.....

Hit me up tomorrow bro...


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[JayDub302]

Bro, what are you mind boggled about? I appreciate the compliment on the knowledge and I don't mean to be repetitive. But my questions always pertain to PCT - bc of my history of being unable to keep as much gains as I should for whatever reason even after running the "proper PCT".

YOU know all about that bro. You also know that I'm 100% aware that there are no magic pills that can do whatever you want...

I want rapid fat loss. But I will never touch DNP, T3, Tren, Clen, etc.

I also want the biggest, dry gains possible in as little time as possible. But I won't touch tren, nor would I ever even go near MENT, Etc.

I know it's the diet, rest/recovery and hard work in the gym that pays off.... Not any "magic pill".

But my question is: "WHAT IS THE PERFECT PCT?!"

According to all these very reputable and knowledgeable guys, they say the perfect PCT includes a SARM during your PCT, along w Nolva, Cardarine, etc.




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[JayDub302]

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[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Here is a link that lays out the Perfect PCT. It is a chart that is very easy to read....http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

It has a product called HCGenerate ES that is to be taken after last injection during the 2 weeks before starting SERMs. It does not call for HCG. If you are going to use HCG anyways then this is the time you want to use it. I personally find it has no value other than making your nuts bigger faster.

 

[JayDub302]

Here is a link that lays out the Perfect PCT. It is a chart that is very easy to read....http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

It has a product called HCGenerate ES that is to be taken after last injection during the 2 weeks before starting SERMs. It does not call for HCG. If you are going to use HCG anyways then this is the time you want to use it. I personally find it has no value other than making your nuts bigger faster.

Thank you. I can not view the chart at the bottom w my cell, but I'll check it out in the computer when I get back from the gym with all the NY resolution clowns... Ughh

Thanks again!

Jason


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[Jay Scott]

Tren is the elixir of gods when it comes to bodybuilding.

In theory it has so many side effects, but the thing is - for majority of people tren yields little to no sides. Trial and error always tell the truth.

 

[JayDub302]

Tren is the elixir of gods when it comes to bodybuilding.

In theory it has so many side effects, but the thing is - for majority of people tren yields little to no sides. Trial and error always tell the truth.

I agree. First off, everyone is different. What affects me could not affect the next person, or vice versa. Also, the human body adjusts very quickly and that can really make a huge difference. It also remembers the compounds you have put in it as well and adjusts even faster to known compounds. Of course, we also build a tolerance to any drug over time, and the longer and heavier the usage/dosage, the higher and more rapidly developed the tolerance is.

Personally, I have only experienced mild sides from tren and that was ONLY during the very first time using it. After the first week or so, the sides subsided tremendously. Ever since then, I barely experience any side effects, even during the first few days....

I have no "Trensomnia" (insomnia induced by Tren), as I sleep like a baby with no trouble falling asleep or staying asleep. I do find it harder to sleep in on tren, but that's a good thing in my opinion because I feel very well rested when I wake up (rapid recovery).

I also experience very little to no anxiety and I am a very anxiety prone individual. I am even prescribed an anti-anxiety medication which I only take as needed, and tren does not require me to up my dose or frequency of the dosage. In fact, clomid gives me much more anxiety than tren ever has, and clomid isn't even known to give bad anxiety). But like I said, everyone is different.

The only physical sides I can report from trenbolone use are the night sweats. I will wake up some nights in the summer and my pillow case will be dripping wet. Sometimes, I will even wake up to the entire bed soaked in sweat. One time, my ex GF thought that I pissed the bed bc there was that much sweat. Lol. But I tend to sweat a lot as is, and it's usually only during the summer when the sheets get wet. The pillow thing is fairly normal on tren for me, but lessens with time.

Last, as for the mental aspect of sides from tren, I usually experience the increased aggression, I have a much shorter fuse/short temper, and generally I tend to have much more violent and aggressive thoughts all together. Last, I always tend to catch myself with the "alpha male" mindset while on tren, which I personally think is one of the overall best feelings out there. I absolutely love it. I feel like I can get with any woman, and at the same time I can take her from almost ANY man on the planet. Lol.

That's the end of my rambling on about tren sides. But in summary, if you are a very EXPERIENCED AAS user and have at least 5 - 10 successful anabolic cycles under your belt, but you have not tried trenbolone because of the supposed "Horrendous/unbearable sides effects", I wouldn't let that deter you from seeing for yourself how YOUR body reacts to it. In no way shape or form am I suggesting or condoning the use of trenbolone to anyone, and I am NOT a medical professional. Please do not take that as a suggestion to use one of the most potent AAS in existence. I am just saying that, for ME, trenbolone does not cause the side effects that most sources say it does. I also always run it with Test and Masteron which really help combat the side effects...

Have a good day everyone!


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