Test E and EQ?

[HouseOfStraw]

Hey guys,

Little introduction - 31yrs old, been training for 6 years, started at 67kg (147lbs), pre cycle I was 88kg (194) and currently im at 93kg (205lbs) and around 15%bf. So i'm currently finishing up on my first cycle of Test E @ 500mg for 12 weeks and I am in the process of planning my second cycle but I have a few questions. My main goal is to get to low teens in BF and put on as much mass as possible. Ruling out Tren due to the fact that my research has told me that its more of a 5th+ cycle compound.

It seems people have a love/hate relationship with EQ. Has anyone got any first hand experience with EQ as a bulking compound?
I would preferably run a Test E @600mg EW and EQ @ 600mg EW for 16 weeks in total.

And what would the difference be between running Test E and EQ both at 600mg compared to running Test E at 1000mg?

Thanks boys!

 

[jp4355]

EQ is a Great Lean Bulking Compound.
And it gives very good Vascularity as well.

16 Weeks is an Appropriate amount of time to run EQ.
As far as amounts.
I like 500 Mg of Test and 600 Mg of EQ a week, it's currently what I'm running, just for 20 Weeks instead of 16.

Running Test @ 1,000 Mg is Unnecessary and could lead to alot of Bloat, and BP Spikes.
Due to the amount of Aromatization.
So I would definitely Not run this amount of Test for a 2nd Cycle................................................ JP
P.S.
Keep your Diet Clean and Enjoy the Gains.

 

[HouseOfStraw]

Thanks for your input! Is it true that its best to run the EQ a few weeks longer than the Test?

Yeah, the 1000mg question was just out of interest - I heard the gram is the god number when it comes to Test.

 

[jp4355]

Thanks for your input! Is it true that its best to run the EQ a few weeks longer than the Test?

Yeah, the 1000mg question was just out of interest - I heard the gram is the god number when it comes to Test.

In regards as to when to start your PCT.
The Half-Life of EQ is roughly 14 Days.
While Test E Half-Life is 10.5 Days.

So usually you would start your PCT 2 Weeks after your last Injection of Test.
With EQ, I usually wait until 2 1/2 Weeks after the Last Injection.

So you can either stop the EQ a little early.
Or I just wait a little longer to start my PCT.................................................. JP

 

[muskate]

EQ is a great lean mass bulking steroid. Very minimal water retention but a nice increase in strength, vascularity and appetite. Test + EQ was my favourite lean mass bulking cycle when I was competing.

I would keep your test e dosage at 500mg/week and add in EQ at 300-600mg/week. A testosterone dosage higher then 500mg/week is going to really start aromatizing into estrogen (even with an AI) and potentially lead to side effects like gyno and water retention. I really see no reason to increase a testosterone dosage past 500mg/week. You would be much better off adding in another compound then increasing the testosterone dosage past that.

Test E has a half life of 10.5 days and EQ has a half life of 14 days. You want to run a good natural testosterone booster after your last injection and then 2 weeks after your last injection start the rest of your PCT drugs. The perfect PCT article explains it all.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 16
testosterone 500mg/week
EQ 300-600mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[Jay Scott]

Thanks for your input! Is it true that its best to run the EQ a few weeks longer than the Test?

Yeah, the 1000mg question was just out of interest - I heard the gram is the god number when it comes to Test.

Its actually the other way around - you should discontinue EQ slightly earlier then test before jumping on PCT. JP gave you the idea why.

I think you might have gotten that misconception due to people suggesting running EQ for longer periods in general.

 

[HouseOfStraw]

Its actually the other way around - you should discontinue EQ slightly earlier then test before jumping on PCT. JP gave you the idea why.

I think you might have gotten that misconception due to people suggesting running EQ for longer periods in general.

So would a good cycle be:
1 - 16 - 600mg EQ
1 - 18 - 500mg Test E
1 - 18 - .25mg EOD Arimidex
21 - 24 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Should I add Clomid to the PCT?

 

[stevesmi]

you got great advice but i want to tell you kudos for building a base first before hopping on juice when you were skinny.

 

[HouseOfStraw]

you got great advice but i want to tell you kudos for building a base first before hopping on juice when you were skinny.

I appreciate that! I knew I'd be able to pack on some serious muscle with diet and training, I didn't realize it'd be 20kg naturally! I've taken my body to its natural peak and now it's time to push the envelope!

 

[Amit]

Please suggest can I add Clomid to the PCT?

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Please suggest can I add Clomid to the PCT?

Not only will you want to add clomid but also quite a few other things. We have so much more knowledge than back in the day so there are much better ways to PCT. I would recommend following the Perfect PCT. It includes SARMS and a strong test booster as well. You will feel much better than the old 2 serm PCT and still be able to make gains.

http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[LevButlerov]

So would a good cycle be:
1 - 16 - 600mg EQ
1 - 18 - 500mg Test E
1 - 18 - .25mg EOD Arimidex
21 - 24 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Should I add Clomid to the PCT?

Overall, the cycle is looking good. However, I would make it 0.5 mgs of arimidex EOD, as it is the recommended starting dosage. Also, if you did not get it yet, I would recommend you to get aromasin instead of arimidex for the following reasons:

1. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, so there will be no estrogen rebound once you stop taking it. Meanwhile, this estrogen rebound is well possible with arimidex, since it is not a suicide AI.

2. Arimidex will stress your lipids by increasing the levels of LDL cholesterol (the bad one), whilst aromasin will increase the levels of HDL (the good cholesterol).

3. Aromasin will increase your IGF-1 production by up to 25%, which is very good for muscle growth and recovery, which is not the case with arimidex.

Also, your PCT plan is way too weak - you need to run a much more comprehensive PCT after such a long cycle. Besides, keep in mind that the better the PCT, the more gains you will keep after finishing the cycle, and the smoother will be the recovery. The perfect PCT protocol would be the best choice - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Please suggest can I add Clomid to the PCT?

It would definitely be a good idea to add clomid to the cycle, together with the other things you can see in the perfect PCT protocol.

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[aggirl]

My husband loved test and eq. Got excellent gains and kept pretty much all of them.

 

[brunsy_82]

So would a good cycle be:
1 - 16 - 600mg EQ
1 - 18 - 500mg Test E
1 - 18 - .25mg EOD Arimidex
21 - 24 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Should I add Clomid to the PCT?

Yes I highly recommend to add some Clomid , I run it @ 100/80/50/50, that might ruffle a few feathers but I have bounced back from that after 1.5 grams test E and 800 mg tren E . But I ran it for 6 weeks then waited 1 month for bloods and 100℅ normal .

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[HouseOfStraw]

Overall, the cycle is looking good. However, I would make it 0.5 mgs of arimidex EOD, as it is the recommended starting dosage. Also, if you did not get it yet, I would recommend you to get aromasin instead of arimidex for the following reasons:

1. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor, so there will be no estrogen rebound once you stop taking it. Meanwhile, this estrogen rebound is well possible with arimidex, since it is not a suicide AI.

2. Arimidex will stress your lipids by increasing the levels of LDL cholesterol (the bad one), whilst aromasin will increase the levels of HDL (the good cholesterol).

3. Aromasin will increase your IGF-1 production by up to 25%, which is very good for muscle growth and recovery, which is not the case with arimidex.

Also, your PCT plan is way too weak - you need to run a much more comprehensive PCT after such a long cycle. Besides, keep in mind that the better the PCT, the more gains you will keep after finishing the cycle, and the smoother will be the recovery. The perfect PCT protocol would be the best choice - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/



It would definitely be a good idea to add clomid to the cycle, together with the other things you can see in the perfect PCT protocol.

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Thanks for your advice! Im nowhere near as knowledgable when it comes to gear as you guys, but I was under the assumption that a little estrogen is beneficial for growth and that Aromasin eliminates nearly all of the estrogen from the system? Thats why I was leaning more towards Arimidex.

Also, from that link, there is Aromasin in the PCT. Wouldn't Nolva and Clomid be sufficient?

 

[Jay Scott]

Thanks for your advice! Im nowhere near as knowledgable when it comes to gear as you guys, but I was under the assumption that a little estrogen is beneficial for growth and that Aromasin eliminates nearly all of the estrogen from the system? Thats why I was leaning more towards Arimidex.

Also, from that link, there is Aromasin in the PCT. Wouldn't Nolva and Clomid be sufficient?

If you overdose aromasin, then yes, it eliminates estrogen. But the same thing happens if you overdose arimidex as well.

As for PCT - a small dose of aromasin in the beginning would help out with hormonal imbalances, but its not mandatory

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

The thing to remember with any AI is that you need to get mid cycle blood work. Not only does it show you the quality of your gear but you can also see where your estrogen is and adjust your dosage. You are absolutely correct that you need estrogen. You just want to keep it in the normal range.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for your advice! Im nowhere near as knowledgable when it comes to gear as you guys, but I was under the assumption that a little estrogen is beneficial for growth and that Aromasin eliminates nearly all of the estrogen from the system? Thats why I was leaning more towards Arimidex.

Also, from that link, there is Aromasin in the PCT. Wouldn't Nolva and Clomid be sufficient?

When used at right dosages, aromasin just keeps estrogen under control, but does not eliminate it for good. However, I got to say that most probably you think so because aromasin is a suicide AI, so it does not allow estrogen to raise again once you stop taking it, but this does not mean that it kills estrogen completely.