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Just took my first pin of the Berd Testosterone Propionate yesterday. I've read a few posts about the pip people get with testosterone propionate, but thought they were talking about a burning sensation due to the benzyl alcohol. I didn't feel anything when I pinned it, but a couple hours later my entire quad started to hurt (felt really sore, like after a hard workout).. Today, it's even more sore, but the pain continues to be like that of a really hard leg workout. Basically hurts to rub it, or squat down. Is this the pip I should be expecting, or is this bad gear? I've been using testosterone cypionate for a while, and have never felt anything (upon injection or afterward), so this pain is a bit concerning.
That's the PIP.
Is the 1st time for a Quad Injection ?
Also, did you Inject the Top of the Quad or the Side of the Quad ?
I do the Side of the Quad and don't have any Issues.
Go 2/3rds up from the Knee, and Halfway down from the Top of the Quad to the notch at the Biceps Femoris.................................... JP
Is the 1st time for a Quad Injection ?
Also, did you Inject the Top of the Quad or the Side of the Quad ?
I do the Side of the Quad and don't have any Issues.
Go 2/3rds up from the Knee, and Halfway down from the Top of the Quad to the notch at the Biceps Femoris.................................... JP
Ya, I did inject the side of my quad, and no, not my first quad injection
I should say, I'm a nurse, with years of experience with injections, so I doubt the pain was due to my methods. While I expected some pain, I was just surprised at the amount, made me wonder about the quality. Are there other steroids that hurt like this, or is this unique to test prop?
Ya, I did inject the side of my quad, and no, not my first quad injection
While this is Unique to Prop and some of the Ester-Less Compounds.
It doesn't happen to everyone, and can vary a bit with the Manufacturer.
1 other question ~ what size Pin did you use.
For my Quads I like to use a 25 G x 5/8" Needle with either a 1 or 3 CC barrel............................................. JP
[QUOTE 1 other question ~ what size Pin did you use.
For my Quads I like to use a 25 G x 5/8" Needle with either a 1 or 3 CC barrel............................................. JP[/QUOTE]
I draw it up with an 18G, then change the needle to a 25G x 1.5"
For my Quads I like to use a 25 G x 5/8" Needle with either a 1 or 3 CC barrel............................................. JP[/QUOTE]
I draw it up with an 18G, then change the needle to a 25G x 1.5"
Do you put the Entire 1 1/2" into your Quad, if so, that's why it hurts like Hell.
I just Bury the 5/8" into my Quad.
No Moving the Needle, so it's just Nice and Slow and Steady............................................. JP
P.S.
I use to use Longer Needles when I was younger, but now it's 5/8" for Quads.
And 1/2" for Delts...................................... JP
I just Bury the 5/8" into my Quad.
No Moving the Needle, so it's just Nice and Slow and Steady............................................. JP
P.S.
I use to use Longer Needles when I was younger, but now it's 5/8" for Quads.
And 1/2" for Delts...................................... JP
Test prop causes PIP in most steroid users. Completely normal. Here are some tips for reducing PIP:
1. Heat up the oil prior to injecting. Run the vial under hot water for 1-2 minutes. Heating up the oil will bring it closer to body temperature and make the oil disperse from the muscle into the blood stream much easier.
2. Gently massage the injection site for 1-2 minutes after the injection. It'll help disperse the oil into the blood stream.
3. I am a big advocate of training the muscle you injected into that day. It'll help disperse the oil from the muscle into the blood stream. In other words, try to time your glute injection on the day you train legs/glutes.
1. Heat up the oil prior to injecting. Run the vial under hot water for 1-2 minutes. Heating up the oil will bring it closer to body temperature and make the oil disperse from the muscle into the blood stream much easier.
2. Gently massage the injection site for 1-2 minutes after the injection. It'll help disperse the oil into the blood stream.
3. I am a big advocate of training the muscle you injected into that day. It'll help disperse the oil from the muscle into the blood stream. In other words, try to time your glute injection on the day you train legs/glutes.
What you are describing is textbook PIP. No need to worry. I hate pinning quads anyways because the PIP is stupid. I stick to glutes only as often as I can. Long esters will be your friend if you try that. And also if you haven't pinned quads before, virgin muscle gives a nice PIP as well.
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Its the pip. Welcome to the AS world.
If it does not go away, use warm compression, hot bath and massages. That should help with the problem
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Looks just like normal PIP, which can be drastically alleviated if you follow @muskate's suggestions. The legs' workout the next day makes wonders to reduce the amount of PIP, so you should definitely give it a try.
100mg/mL x 2
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That's exactly what I did too
I pinned it, then worked out legs the next day, because I had noticed that keeping the muscle working seemed to help with the pain. The pain is gone today, but it took 3 days to completely dissipate. If I remember correctly, isn't test propionate supposed to be pinned like every 3 to 4 days? If that's true, then I'd be sore like the entire time I'm taking it, lol. I think I might just go back to just the cypionate and enanthate for now.- - - Updated - - -
So is there any advantage to taking the propionate then? I mean, besides the esters, test is test, right? So if I can avoid the pip then I think I will just stick to the longer esters.
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When you say "with another oil", are you saying to mix with either my test enanthate or cypionate? or are you saying to buy some oil to mix with?
I think someone needs to do an article covering all the Test, to cover side affects of each, PIP, from each and most important, why you would choose one over the other. I understand Test c and E are much easier to obtain financially and just in general. However, recovery time, length of cycle and achieving goals I'm not sure has been covered in detail with Test. I've read about the estrogen and cycle times, but why use EQ for 16 weeks instead of Test E, or C for 12? Sorry if this has already been done, I might have missed it. I think it would make it easier, especially for the MODS sending everyone to different links. Please don't take this wrong, just a thought.
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The main idea of different lengths is to utilise the compound, taking into consideration its half-life.
You can also run test prop for 16 weeks. However, it would not be smart due to constant pinning (56 pins only for test) and it would be more expensive. That is why you get suggested Test E or Test C. EQ has a very long half-life therefore people generally run it for 14-16 weeks in order to get the most out of it.
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There you go, these two articles should answer most of your questions:
http://www.evolutionary.org/testosterone
http://www.evolutionary.org/testosterone-esters-facts
You are kind of over thinking it. Testosterone is testosterone. The ester only changes how frequently you need to inject.
Some people like shorter esters because they clear out of your system faster. That's important for people who regularly get drug tested for competition.
Most people will like long acting esters because they need to be injected less frequently.
Test is test. You will find which esters you like better. It is also goal dependent. If you are running a cycle for cutting then you will want short esters as there will be less water retention. Long esters are great for bulking and infrequent pinning. Saying that, you can really choose any ester you want as long as diet and training are locked in for your specific goals.
This week, I tried mixing 1mL of Propionate with 1mL of Enanthate... Didn't seem to make a difference. The pain is significant, I can barely walk. Everyone at work keeps asking me why I'm walking with a limp, lol... Oh well, guess prop is just not for me. Going to stick to cypionate and enanthate from now on. Probably like to add another compound in the future though.
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Forgot to add that the pain takes like 4 days to go away... If you're supposed to pin propionate EOD, I'd be in pain all the time, lol.
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