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Veteran Thread The Perfect PCT Simplified!

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For example, I finish my circle with Winstrol and Test P in week 0. The Half time of Winstrol is about 9 hours. So I should directly use your week 1-8? That means I don't use SERM in week 1 and 2?
 
So in theory, Im about to start a SARMS cycle incorporating -

GW-501516 (not a SARM)
Andarine
RAD-140
Ostarine.

I also considered LGD-4033 and SR-9009 yes? no?

Will I still require an extensive PCT as mentioned by the OP????? HCgenerate ES plus Post CT as well as N2Guard.
 
victorypark said:
So in theory, Im about to start a SARMS cycle incorporating -

GW-501516 (not a SARM)
Andarine
RAD-140
Ostarine.

I also considered LGD-4033 and SR-9009 yes? no?

Will I still require an extensive PCT as mentioned by the OP????? HCgenerate ES plus Post CT as well as N2Guard.
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GW, S4, rad140 and ostarine would be a really good stack man. There's no need to also add in LGD and SR9009. Your stack doesn't need to include everything but the kitchen sink. I like stacking 2-4 SARMS per cycle.

Run a mini PCT after your SARMS cycle like this -

Weeks 1- 4
clomid 25mg/day
HCGenerate ES 5 capsules/day
 
bigmanrobbino said:
Apologies if I missed it (I browse this forum from my phone) but before posting about needing PCT supplies, I clicked on all the banners near the top of the forum, and couldn't find Clomid/Nolva...
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you can hit me up for that if you are domestic
 
Flex_James said:
Hi Masonic BB . Could you pm this international source to me please ! Thanks


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It is the same one I already sent you buddy. They sell everything you need.
 
Hey, so I have been reading the posts and I am pretty new to all of this. I am asking for recommendations for a pct cycle I should use.

I have been running
test prop 1 CC 3 times a week Monday Wednesday Friday
Anavar 60mg every day for a 16-week cycle.

My cycle ends on the 11th I have been on a super strict diet and cardio regiment.
My question is what type of PCT cycle should I take to keep my gains and look that I have worked so hard for?

Thank you in advance!
 
Nick19k said:
Hey, so I have been reading the posts and I am pretty new to all of this. I am asking for recommendations for a pct cycle I should use.

I have been running
test prop 1 CC 3 times a week Monday Wednesday Friday
Anavar 60mg every day for a 16-week cycle.

My cycle ends on the 11th I have been on a super strict diet and cardio regiment.
My question is what type of PCT cycle should I take to keep my gains and look that I have worked so hard for?

Thank you in advance!
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did you read the stickies?
 
Nick19k said:
yeah, I was just wondering if I really needed all that for what I was running. Considering its nothing really intense. But yes the simplified PCT i did read.
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yes you should. you are running very powerful hormones. you are running testosterone, that IS intense. people are under the impression that test is not suppressive which is false.

run the full PCT if you want the best results. follow it as it is laid out, i couldn't write it any more simpler than MB did
 
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prolife said:
Can i replace HCGenerate ES with another testosteron booster?
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I actually went to the vitamin shop near my house and calculated how much it would cost to buy all the ingredients in ES. it came out to almost $600 for a 2 week amount

ES sells for a fraction of that and the bottom lasts 30+ days
 
stevesmi said:
I actually went to the vitamin shop near my house and calculated how much it would cost to buy all the ingredients in ES. it came out to almost $600 for a 2 week amount

ES sells for a fraction of that and the bottom lasts 30+ days
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bro ...100%...if you buy ingredients separate its crazy...and some you cant even buy
 
Hello:
I am very new to this all and am about to start my first 8 week cycle. I was recommended the following:

Weeks 1 - 8
cardarine 20mg/day (AM)
S4 50mg/day (25mg AM 25mg PM)
Ostarine 25mg/day (AM)

The a 4 week mini PCT using n2generate.

Is there a perfect mini PCT? Based on what I will cycle with is the n2generate all I need?
 
I wasn't suggesting I wanted to find something to replace the n2gen but rather something taken in conjunction with it.
In the perfect PCT there were several other products recommended to be taken along with the n2gen.

Is n2gen all I would need?
 
usamonger said:
I wasn't suggesting I wanted to find something to replace the n2gen but rather something taken in conjunction with it.
In the perfect PCT there were several other products recommended to be taken along with the n2gen.

Is n2gen all I would need?
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bro n2generate with some cardarine...good stack with some clomid for pct
 
First response ever lol.
Could someone please point me in the direction?.?.?
Trying to get nolva and clomid from a legit site.
I'm in the US
 
Anyone mind sharing the $ of the perfect PCT? I've generally always used a clomid/nolva PCT without these other add-ons, but I run shorter cycles with prop or sometimes homebrew base.
 
tim82 said:
Anyone mind sharing the $ of the perfect PCT? I've generally always used a clomid/nolva PCT without these other add-ons, but I run shorter cycles with prop or sometimes homebrew base.
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bro sharing the $? i mean brother...PCT is just as important as your cycle...people forget that...if you dont recover you'll lose ALL your gains so cycle will be a waste...
 
This is just personal experience, but recovery has never been a big issue for me. As a runner/swimmer (who would face a lot of social stigma if I was huge), I haven't used serious gaining cycles since I was a younger guy. At that time, I spent a lot of $ on PCT gear (nolva/clomid, HCG injections, liver and cholesterol supps, natty test boosters, etc.), but as my investment dwindled in those items I honestly never say the difference after. I think serious PCT is for much higher level users than me. My typical cycle since I've been home brewing is about 1000mg of test base/prop a week (hard to tell exactly what you have in most experiments in the end) with ED pins and my cycle is productive as it needs to be (I definitely know what the test/tren/mast or test/dbol cycles put forth) and my nuts don't shrink, my cholesterol actually stays quite good even when I'm on, and I recover quick. I think there is a lot of perspective in this depending on ones goals, but I do appreciate the guys who report good results during heavier use.
 
Okay so I want to buy this perfect pct cycle but I can’t find
clomid
-nolva
Also is their any coupon code
For sarms1 and NTBM
Bought all the wrong shit from blackstone labs and they won’t let me return ;(
I want to run my 1st cycle
Boldenone undecyclenate
10ml / 2500mg
Testosterone enanthate 250mg/ml 10ml
Every Monday for 12 weeks...
Bought some garbage from black stone labs
Gear support
Ericated estrogen blocker
And their pct..
But I love the break down of this perfect pct
It’s just now buying it all.
Which I can do but if anyone could help I would greatly extremely appreciate it.
 
Vstacks8 said:
Okay so I want to buy this perfect pct cycle but I can’t find
clomid
-nolva
Also is their any coupon code
For sarms1 and NTBM
Bought all the wrong shit from blackstone labs and they won’t let me return ;(
I want to run my 1st cycle
Boldenone undecyclenate
10ml / 2500mg
Testosterone enanthate 250mg/ml 10ml
Every Monday for 12 weeks...
Bought some garbage from black stone labs
Gear support
Ericated estrogen blocker
And their pct..
But I love the break down of this perfect pct
It’s just now buying it all.
Which I can do but if anyone could help I would greatly extremely appreciate it.
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bro in time we can help you...
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
-clomid
-nolva
-2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-*optional aromasin *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
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MB (or anyone else who can assist),
I started this PCT 2 weeks ago so tomorrow starts week 3 for me. I just checked this thread to ensure I'm following the right protocol as things change tomorrow for week 3, and I realized what you outline in the post I quoted is different than what is included in the referenced link (e.g. your post states the PCT is 8 weeks while the referenced link lays out a 7-week PCT). There are some other differences in the described PCTs (e.g. N2Guard is recommended by you from the start while the referenced link states I should start it tomorrow as week 3 starts).

Which "perfect PCT" is actually the "correct/optimal" one? I have all of the products in hand, and I just want to ensure I run the best PCT possible.


Thanks.
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
-clomid
-nolva
-2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-*optional aromasin *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
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This is a great post and I only signed up to reply because I have questions. I'm going to start my first cycle soon and I want to be prepared for everything and anything. I have done a lot of research on the matter and have decided on short ester short cycles. So a 4 week cycle with a 4 to 6 week PCT. I read a great thread elsewhere on this topic about keeping more gains and less sides this way. Of course doing it this way I plan to run 2 - 3 cycles. So here is what I'm planning:

Tren A 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30- 40mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.

And I'm considering adding Test P at 75mg per day also because I often hear your first cycle is your best cycle and I want the most out of it.

Now without the Test P the PCT is recommended like this:

HCG 500 ius every 3rd day on cycle (optional)
Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks.
OR
...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection.
*I was going to add N2Guard 1 serving/day

With the Test P:
Same as above and add arimidex 1-1.5mg per day (Note: I'm still not sure if they mean on cycle or post cycle for an AI use was hoping someone could clear that up for me)

Now for my cycle, after reading your PCT, for a shorty like this would I run the same thing you recommend or would my original PCT work? And I did see you advised against HCG. I'd appreciate any tips how to properly implement PCT both with and without the Test P. Thanks in advance.
 
Stpatrick said:
This is a great post and I only signed up to reply because I have questions. I'm going to start my first cycle soon and I want to be prepared for everything and anything. I have done a lot of research on the matter and have decided on short ester short cycles. So a 4 week cycle with a 4 to 6 week PCT. I read a great thread elsewhere on this topic about keeping more gains and less sides this way. Of course doing it this way I plan to run 2 - 3 cycles. So here is what I'm planning:

Tren A 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30- 40mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.

And I'm considering adding Test P at 75mg per day also because I often hear your first cycle is your best cycle and I want the most out of it.

Now without the Test P the PCT is recommended like this:

HCG 500 ius every 3rd day on cycle (optional)
Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks.
OR
...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection.
*I was going to add N2Guard 1 serving/day

With the Test P:
Same as above and add arimidex 1-1.5mg per day (Note: I'm still not sure if they mean on cycle or post cycle for an AI use was hoping someone could clear that up for me)

Now for my cycle, after reading your PCT, for a shorty like this would I run the same thing you recommend or would my original PCT work? And I did see you advised against HCG. I'd appreciate any tips how to properly implement PCT both with and without the Test P. Thanks in advance.
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Even a short steroid cycle will cause suppression. With or without the test p - you should run the perfect PCT exactly as outlined in the sticky.
 
muskate said:
Even a short steroid cycle will cause suppression. With or without the test p - you should run the perfect PCT exactly as outlined in the sticky.
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Okay thanks, I knew there would be suppression either way and that's why I was originally going to use HCG on cycle every 3rd day at 500 ius. But after reading the sticky I decided I'll use N2Generate both on and post cycle along with N2Guard. But I was actually more worried about the estrogenic effects and preventing gyno. So if all I have is arimidex would 1mg-1.5mg per day on cycle be all right? And of course I'll have Nolva on hand for PCT. As far as the ostarine and cardanine I just literally dont have enough left for those but I figure for only 4 weeks I'll be alright. My biggest concern is going to be the estrogen control since I may have Test P and Dbol in my stack.
 
PCT question: I think aromasin killed my estrogen at 12.5 EOD. Up until week 4 of my test e/tbol cycle with that dose aromasin I was feeling very lethargic. When I dropped aromasin to 12.5 every third day that feeling went away in a matter of a few days. With that said; should I keep the aromasin doses as listed in the perfect PCT but take it every third day like I am on cycle?

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sub_squoch said:
PCT question: I think aromasin killed my estrogen at 12.5 EOD. Up until week 4 of my test e/tbol cycle with that dose aromasin I was feeling very lethargic. When I dropped aromasin to 12.5 every third day that feeling went away in a matter of a few days. With that said; should I keep the aromasin doses as listed in the perfect PCT but take it every third day like I am on cycle?

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It very well could have. Every person is different. I use the Perfect PCT as a base line. I alter it for my personal needs for my own body. I substitute a few things and decrease or increase dosing as needed. And also keep in mind not every PCT will be the same. Different compounds, age, duration, dosing all will have an effect on the type of PCT you need.
 
E32038 said:
It very well could have. Every person is different. I use the Perfect PCT as a base line. I alter it for my personal needs for my own body. I substitute a few things and decrease or increase dosing as needed. And also keep in mind not every PCT will be the same. Different compounds, age, duration, dosing all will have an effect on the type of PCT you need.
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Thanks for the response. I'm getting mid cycle bloods next week so that will help determine what I will do with aromasin during PCT

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Is there a code for ordering less from Sarms1? Want to prepare my PCT for first cycle but the perfect PCT doesn’t require $600 of sarms.

Thanks
 
E32038 said:
It very well could have. Every person is different. I use the Perfect PCT as a base line. I alter it for my personal needs for my own body. I substitute a few things and decrease or increase dosing as needed. And also keep in mind not every PCT will be the same. Different compounds, age, duration, dosing all will have an effect on the type of PCT you need.
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E - question...... should I run Aromasin in the first 2 weeks after last pin? The 2 weeks before I start the clinic and nolva


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gashred777 said:
E - question...... should I run Aromasin in the first 2 weeks after last pin? The 2 weeks before I start the clinic and nolva


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Depends man. Are you running aromasin now? Is two weeks long enough (or too long) time between last pin? Check your esters. Time it based off that. If you are prone to gyno, better safe than sorry. If you know your body and not your first cycle, some guys know they don’t need it. Some need it based on certain compounds. The good thing about aromasin is you won’t get a rebound. I personally run it myself, timed from longest ester of last pin. Hope that helps
 
E32038 said:
Depends man. Are you running aromasin now? Is two weeks long enough (or too long) time between last pin? Check your esters. Time it based off that. If you are prone to gyno, better safe than sorry. If you know your body and not your first cycle, some guys know they don’t need it. Some need it based on certain compounds. The good thing about aromasin is you won’t get a rebound. I personally run it myself, timed from longest ester of last pin. Hope that helps
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Well I didn’t start cycle yet bro. Start next week. It’s been about a decade since last cycle, so treating this as a first cycle. I will be running Aromasin through cycle and plan to during pct. the perfect pct blueprint doesn’t reference it in the first 2 weeks after last pin....it does affect that. To me, makes sense to run it those first 2 weeks too. Thoughts?


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gashred777 said:
Well I didn’t start cycle yet bro. Start next week. It’s been about a decade since last cycle, so treating this as a first cycle. I will be running Aromasin through cycle and plan to during pct. the perfect pct blueprint doesn’t reference it in the first 2 weeks after last pin....it does affect that. To me, makes sense to run it those first 2 weeks too. Thoughts?


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I would run it then
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Show me proof that HCG is beneficial in PCT. No one can. You don't need to be a doctor to understand it. Ask 100s of people how smart doctors are when it comes to hormones.


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Older post but I had to laugh. You are so right! My doctor wasn't aware that Low Free Test levels mattered. She thought it was not a big deal because my Test Levels were in the normal range.

Sometimes the smartest "experts" are the ones that need schoolin'!

Old Pug

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stevesmi said:
brother do not be concerned.. just run your support supps/ancillaries and if get bloods done. if you notice anything unusual adjust as you go

that is the best way to run steroids.
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This is so smart. Then it is completely individualized to the specific user.

Old Pug
 
Looking for a clarification: through week 4 aromasin is taken EOD but week 5 it's taken ED - is this correct or a typo?

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sub_squoch said:
Looking for a clarification: through week 4 aromasin is taken EOD but week 5 it's taken ED - is this correct or a typo?

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Don’t put to much stock in the perfect pct, because there is no such thing. use it as a base and then change it to your own needs. For instance, there are plenty of test boosters and liver support that work more than fine at a fraction of the cost. I do recommend adding tudca regardless if your supp doesn’t have it.

The perfect pct is totally legit, just saying it isn’t perfect and isn’t the be all, end all of pct.
 
E32038 said:
Don’t put to much stock in the perfect pct, because there is no such thing. use it as a base and then change it to your own needs. For instance, there are plenty of test boosters and liver support that work more than fine at a fraction of the cost. I do recommend adding tudca regardless if your supp doesn’t have it.

The perfect pct is totally legit, just saying it isn’t perfect and isn’t the be all, end all of pct.
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Oh for sure I totally agree. Was just curious of what o questioned was a typo or not. Thanks for the reply!!

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Hey all. I have another PCT question. Just planning ahead: if I run test prop and tren ace I would start PCT the same time as my last pin, but when would I actually start nolva? Would I wait a few days to introduce the nolva because of the tren?

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sub_squoch said:
Hey all. I have another PCT question. Just planning ahead: if I run test prop and tren ace I would start PCT the same time as my last pin, but when would I actually start nolva? Would I wait a few days to introduce the nolva because of the tren?

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Isn't it answered in the thread?
 
sub_squoch said:
Hey all. I have another PCT question. Just planning ahead: if I run test prop and tren ace I would start PCT the same time as my last pin, but when would I actually start nolva? Would I wait a few days to introduce the nolva because of the tren?

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if you are worried about that just use clomid. they are both SERM's
 
stevesmi said:
if you are worried about that just use clomid. they are both SERM's
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Not worried per say just curious. Ots my understanding that nolva shouldn't be used when you have tren in your system so I figured I would pose the question

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sub_squoch said:
Not worried per say just curious. Ots my understanding that nolva shouldn't be used when you have tren in your system so I figured I would pose the question

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It's fine. Just use an anti-prolactin drug like caber or prami
 
muskate said:
It's fine. Just use an anti-prolactin drug like caber or prami
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I plan to run caber on cycle while running tren. I know there are mixed opinions on this but I'm in the "better safe than sorry" group. So are you saying I can include nolva in my PCT immediately as long as i also use caber in my PCT immediately? If so, would I only run the caber for a short time; up until the tren is out of my system?

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sub_squoch said:
I plan to run caber on cycle while running tren. I know there are mixed opinions on this but I'm in the "better safe than sorry" group. So are you saying I can include nolva in my PCT immediately as long as i also use caber in my PCT immediately? If so, would I only run the caber for a short time; up until the tren is out of my system?

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I agree with you, better safe than sorry. Reality is you aren't running that high a dose, so you most likely will be ok without it, but I have caber on hand even for my deca, which I have yet to use cause I've had no issues. But always good just to have. yes, just run it until the tren is safely out of your system.
 
Hey guys, new poster here.
I recently went on my first cycle and went for the true newbie route, opting for orals only.
I took winstrol at 50mg e/d for 5 weeks. I had milk thistle e/d on cycle, as well as NCAAS. After for PCT, I took nolvsdex e/d for 3 weeks, continuing with NCAAS and milk thistle for the first two. I also took some natural test boosters for the last two weeks of PCT, and have now been finished with PCT for a week.
I want to start a test-c cycle at 250mg/ml twice a week, but was wondering if it was too soon. Any advice would be appreciated. Sorry if I'm posting in the wrong threat in advance.
 
If you’ve never took any test c before. Just stay with the 250 mg once a week and maybe add some d boll orals pyramiding up and back down with the Dbol. Your fresh off the block so don’t saturate your cells just yet. See what the 250/weekly does for you. How much do you weigh right now? If your under 150 lbs and u take 500mg/week you’ll be wasting a lot of product and money.


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dyson.jessie said:
If you’ve never took any test c before. Just stay with the 250 mg once a week and maybe add some d boll orals pyramiding up and back down with the Dbol. Your fresh off the block so don’t saturate your cells just yet. See what the 250/weekly does for you. How much do you weigh right now? If your under 150 lbs and u take 500mg/week you’ll be wasting a lot of product and money.


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Spend the money on more food.
 
Guavaeater said:
Hey guys, new poster here.
I recently went on my first cycle and went for the true newbie route, opting for orals only.
I took winstrol at 50mg e/d for 5 weeks. I had milk thistle e/d on cycle, as well as NCAAS. After for PCT, I took nolvsdex e/d for 3 weeks, continuing with NCAAS and milk thistle for the first two. I also took some natural test boosters for the last two weeks of PCT, and have now been finished with PCT for a week.
I want to start a test-c cycle at 250mg/ml twice a week, but was wondering if it was too soon. Any advice would be appreciated. Sorry if I'm posting in the wrong threat in advance.
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The general rule is time on + PCT = time off before starting your next cycle
 
You can always send me a PM, visitor message or email (link in my signature) for sarms1, PSL, juvepharma or N2BM coupon codes :)
 
Got a question regarding this PCT. First, i'm going to do a test only cycle (not sure if i'm going with 350 or 500). I already have clomid and nolva on standby along with an AI. Would it be okay to just pick up the N2Generate (2 bottles), not N2Generate ES. Is the N2Generate the same as if i were taking actual injectable HCG?

Also, is it detrimental if i skip the cardarine and the Osterine? Shit's crazy expensive and no other PCT suggestions i've read anywhere actually say it's a necessity.
 
I have been working with my family doctor that has developed a “wellness” center to his office for bio-identical hormones. Currently all he has treated me with is 200mg of test prop EW with no rest test or Pct. is this sustainable?

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My testiculars are like “Honey, I Shruck the Kids” with the Dr saying not to worry since I’m a stage in life I’m not adding to the family. I feel I can could manger this part of my health better]
 
Randall said:
I have been working with my family doctor that has developed a “wellness” center to his office for bio-identical hormones. Currently all he has treated me with is 200mg of test prop EW with no rest test or Pct. is this sustainable?

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My testiculars are like “Honey, I Shruck the Kids” with the Dr saying not to worry since I’m a stage in life I’m not adding to the family. I feel I can could manger this part of my health better]
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Age, weight, test levels?
 
owvp702 said:
Got a question regarding this PCT. First, i'm going to do a test only cycle (not sure if i'm going with 350 or 500). I already have clomid and nolva on standby along with an AI. Would it be okay to just pick up the N2Generate (2 bottles), not N2Generate ES. Is the N2Generate the same as if i were taking actual injectable HCG?

Also, is it detrimental if i skip the cardarine and the Osterine? Shit's crazy expensive and no other PCT suggestions i've read anywhere actually say it's a necessity.
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the ES has more ingredients than the classic hence why it is more pricey.
 
owvp702 said:
Got a question regarding this PCT. First, i'm going to do a test only cycle (not sure if i'm going with 350 or 500). I already have clomid and nolva on standby along with an AI. Would it be okay to just pick up the N2Generate (2 bottles), not N2Generate ES. Is the N2Generate the same as if i were taking actual injectable HCG?

Also, is it detrimental if i skip the cardarine and the Osterine? Shit's crazy expensive and no other PCT suggestions i've read anywhere actually say it's a necessity.
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N2generate is completely different from HCG. You don't want to use HCG in a PCT protocol because it is suppressive of natural testosterone production.

Ostarine/cardarine are not required but they are certainly a good addition
 
Thanks for the clarification. I see that N2Generate ES has more ingredients but ES is also $100 more per bottle. Would i be fine with just going with 2 bottles of the regular N2Generate instead of the ES?

Originally i was going to just do a PCT that consisted of HCG/Nolva/Clomid but after running into this forum and seeing all of the responses to the perfect PCT i'm thinking this is the better route. If taking the ES version is so much better then i could wait a couple of months until i have the cash to start doing this but if just the standard N2Generate is fine then i'll start asap.
 
owvp702 said:
Thanks for the clarification. I see that N2Generate ES has more ingredients but ES is also $100 more per bottle. Would i be fine with just going with 2 bottles of the regular N2Generate instead of the ES?

Originally i was going to just do a PCT that consisted of HCG/Nolva/Clomid but after running into this forum and seeing all of the responses to the perfect PCT i'm thinking this is the better route. If taking the ES version is so much better then i could wait a couple of months until i have the cash to start doing this but if just the standard N2Generate is fine then i'll start asap.
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You are good to go with the classic version of N2Generate. Still much better than going with injectable HCG.
 
Ok, lets try this again. I’m ready to make that order on the gHG code please and what is the details in taking a client
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Hi EVO Family,

We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
-1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
-clomid
-nolva
-2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
-*optional aromasin *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
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Ive gottten everything above for my PCT except Nolva. I cant seem to find any? I noticed you linked where to get everything else and I appreciate that. Can someone help me out and point me in the right direction to where i can get some
 
Rolo24cal said:
Ive gottten everything above for my PCT except Nolva. I cant seem to find any? I noticed you linked where to get everything else and I appreciate that. Can someone help me out and point me in the right direction to where i can get some
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Check our sponsors.
 
I'm about to purchase from sarms1, does anyone have a coupon code i could use for them? Thanks in advance!
 
Hey lads! Fresh as to this forum, if I could grab a hand with this please.. say if someone is running test p 75mg ED and tren p 100mg ED 10wk, second cycle. Would adex 25mg EOD sort out any sides, having nolva on hand for gyno problems? Would that work or does it have to prolactin?
Would appreciate any help on this!
Legends🤙🏼
 
Realtalk96 said:
Hey lads! Fresh as to this forum, if I could grab a hand with this please.. say if someone is running test p 75mg ED and tren p 100mg ED 10wk, second cycle. Would adex 25mg EOD sort out any sides, having nolva on hand for gyno problems? Would that work or does it have to prolactin?
Would appreciate any help on this!
Legends🤙🏼
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Would that someone already have started their cycle?
 
Realtalk96 said:
Hey lads! Fresh as to this forum, if I could grab a hand with this please.. say if someone is running test p 75mg ED and tren p 100mg ED 10wk, second cycle. Would adex 25mg EOD sort out any sides, having nolva on hand for gyno problems? Would that work or does it have to prolactin?
Would appreciate any help on this!
Legends🤙🏼
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not at all. there is no way to prevent androgenic sides when using tren at that dosage. if you don't want sides then don't use steroids
 
Save the nolva for pct.
As far as prolactin issues go I wouldn't run tren without caber. Do you absolutely need it? Maybe not but it's a good insurance policy nevertheless.
 
Hallo my name is Quentin and I like your explination of a good pct cycle.

I had read a lot of steroids and their benefits and also side effects.

now I am ready to try my first stack but I do have my concerns.

my first stack I planned is, trenbolone/testosterone/dianabol.

1. can you advice me how long I can ran these stack? 4 weeks or 8 weeks cycle

2. which PCT cycle will be best to use. is the above pct cycle you explained be also fit for these stack cycle of me..?

3. which trenbolone is best to uses? tren acetate or tren enanthate?
and test enanthate or propionate?
 
need information

hi all my name is quenten and I am new here and like some good information about stacking trenbolone/testosterone/dianabol for 8 week cycle. it would be my first steroids uses and I like to know which would suit me best. which tren and which test. and which pct plan would work the best for me.

I hope it will get a lot of information before I Kickstart my cycle thanks everyone in advance.
 
qjulen86 said:
hi all my name is quenten and I am new here and like some good information about stacking trenbolone/testosterone/dianabol for 8 week cycle. it would be my first steroids uses and I like to know which would suit me best. which tren and which test. and which pct plan would work the best for me.

I hope it will get a lot of information before I Kickstart my cycle thanks everyone in advance.
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The first page of this sticky explains how to properly run a PCT -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

Using trenbolone for a first steroid cycle is a HORRIBLE idea. You should run a simple testosterone only cycle
 
Perfectly mentioned about the PCT. From beginners to the oldest ones anyone can use this dosage discussed. I personally provide same instructions to the people who are in touch with me or use my products. You can visit
 
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