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sarmstore1
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Perfectly described about PCT. I will surely recommend people about this. Perfect dosage and perfect time period has been discussed here. I personally refers to for PCTs, guidelines and uses.
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AlphaJuicy
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Awesome write up Matt!
i would follow up the perfect PCT with a bridge as well
brother thats an awesome article.
Sorry if this question has already been answered. I read through the stickies but there are alot of comments so I may have missed it.
What is the purpose of Aromasin during PCT? From what I understand it is to stop test aromatization and keep Estrogen levels in check. Once off cycle when your levels are dropping, is there a risk of crashing your E2 if you continue AI?
What is the purpose of Aromasin during PCT? From what I understand it is to stop test aromatization and keep Estrogen levels in check. Once off cycle when your levels are dropping, is there a risk of crashing your E2 if you continue AI?
you may want to gently handle estrogen during this time, but you don't want to overdo it either. it would depend on how you controleld E on cycle and what you used. the way guys abuse test these days it is a good idea
To prevent estrogen rebound when you stop PCT. Don't over do it with the Aromasin. A little goes a long way.
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Glad you made this point. As much as we want to control estrogen we don't want to smash them in to the bottom.
Yeah I edited my post meant to say don't.
It's to prevent estrogen rebound, but yes you dont want to crash your estrogen either. That's why some may need it a whole 4 weeks. Some may need to taper off, and some wont need it at all. Delejds on estrogen sensitivity, what you came off of, etc
Thanks for the information!! I'm definitely going to keep this tab open and refer to it often!
informative thread. sending you a pm now for later
takemethere
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thanks for this it is really useful
RobertSharph
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takemethere
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very good thread thanks for this
aimfirst1456
New Member
Definitely bookmarking this threa for the future
Hey, i mean this pct seems amazing i cant wait to use it upon completition of my cycle...however this just came to me maybe im wrong w.e doesnt hurt ti ask....wudnt it be good to add a sarm like ibutaromen aka mk677 to the pct as well since it has 0 shutdown and is suppose to mimic gh...so ud have ur test booster to aid with test, ur aromasin to block estro rebound, ur clomid and nolva to get ur shut back on hpta and other shit on track, and the cardarine to aid in fat loss fat gain prevention(i hate card honestly i prefer 1,3 dim but im willing to try at a slightly lower dose)....just a thought...
In a word - no. Don't look for adding another PED during a proper PCT.
Always worth a read
yeah don't time your honeymooon during pct. make sure your are in top shape lol
Purpledakota360
New member
Is all of the stuff listed necessary for a test only cycle? I’m just curious and learning.
bro all necessary if you want to recover and get your hormones in order...if you dont do PCT right you can mess up your health for life....
It's not overly roid specific.
Test only cycle will still suppress your natural production etc
All steroids shut you down. Test only is no different. Pct is always the same
it is a blueprint. if you want specific help with this and recommendations you can always hit me for a 1 on 1 consult and we can dial in what you might specifically need. everyone is gonna be a bit different
Purpledakota360
New member
I understand the need for PCT, I was just curious about stacking so many substances into PCT. I have read about all of them, and I’m still learning.
I'll keep that in mind for sure ..
How much do you charge mate ?
Purpledakota360
New member
Just quick math that’s like $1,000 in product
Hey everyone, first post on here. I found this thread while searching for more info on Dr. Scalys Power PCT protocol. I was referred to that pct by some guys over at ****************** after posting the following post.
"Good morning everyone, this is my first post on here and it will probably be the most significant for me. I have been on 250 mg Test Sus every week for 2 years I'm 39 years old 6'2 240lbs. While I was on I was also talking hcg each week when I pinned to avoid atrophy and lowering of sperm count. During that period my wife and I were both tested in terms of fertility to see if we were in good shape to have children, everything checked out and sperm count was near 10 million. Around 6-7 months ago I lost my hcg source and then life happened, I got slack and never acquired more hcg so for last 6 months still doing 250 every week no hcg. My wife and I are now considering IVF next year. I have had no testicular atrophy that I can tell of. As of right now I'm still producing seaman, not sure about the sperm though.I took my last pin 2 weeks ago and was going to start clomid 50mg ED for 4 weeks yesterday ( This was all I was prepared with, I understand I was foolish here) in the last 72 hours multiple people I have spoken with and of course that led to me digging through the internet which left me more confused, I'm now being told I should take hmg or hcg before I start clomid. My question for you all is.
1. Is clomid 50mg ED for next 4 weeks a good or bad idea?
2. Should I start with hcg or hmg and wait on clomid?
3. If your answer to hcg/hmg is yes then I'm going to need to source and wait for it that will probably be a couple more weeks and I'm already 2 weeks out from last pin, should I start up T again at 250 or a lower dose to keep from becoming suppressed too early?
I really appreciate you taking the time to read this, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If you happen to have a lay out in terms of what to do week to week if it's something other than the clomid by itself I would appreciate that as well."
In the time since I posted that I have started my test again in fear of becoming suppressed without the correct PCT on hand. I have read everything in this thread and that's why I decided against the Dr Scalys PCT since it had so much HCG involved in it. Under the circumstances that I'm in is it advised that I start this PCT?
I'm really lost here, I find so much information out there that contradicts each other.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
"Good morning everyone, this is my first post on here and it will probably be the most significant for me. I have been on 250 mg Test Sus every week for 2 years I'm 39 years old 6'2 240lbs. While I was on I was also talking hcg each week when I pinned to avoid atrophy and lowering of sperm count. During that period my wife and I were both tested in terms of fertility to see if we were in good shape to have children, everything checked out and sperm count was near 10 million. Around 6-7 months ago I lost my hcg source and then life happened, I got slack and never acquired more hcg so for last 6 months still doing 250 every week no hcg. My wife and I are now considering IVF next year. I have had no testicular atrophy that I can tell of. As of right now I'm still producing seaman, not sure about the sperm though.I took my last pin 2 weeks ago and was going to start clomid 50mg ED for 4 weeks yesterday ( This was all I was prepared with, I understand I was foolish here) in the last 72 hours multiple people I have spoken with and of course that led to me digging through the internet which left me more confused, I'm now being told I should take hmg or hcg before I start clomid. My question for you all is.
1. Is clomid 50mg ED for next 4 weeks a good or bad idea?
2. Should I start with hcg or hmg and wait on clomid?
3. If your answer to hcg/hmg is yes then I'm going to need to source and wait for it that will probably be a couple more weeks and I'm already 2 weeks out from last pin, should I start up T again at 250 or a lower dose to keep from becoming suppressed too early?
I really appreciate you taking the time to read this, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If you happen to have a lay out in terms of what to do week to week if it's something other than the clomid by itself I would appreciate that as well."
In the time since I posted that I have started my test again in fear of becoming suppressed without the correct PCT on hand. I have read everything in this thread and that's why I decided against the Dr Scalys PCT since it had so much HCG involved in it. Under the circumstances that I'm in is it advised that I start this PCT?
I'm really lost here, I find so much information out there that contradicts each other.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
Good evening everyone, actually stumbled across this thread for the perfect PCT after researching for more information Dr. Scallys power PCT. I was actually in anothe websites forum and that's what was recommended by some people over there so I started to do some research and seems to be an awful lot of HCG that you need for that PCT. Below is the post that I put on the other form everything for the most part still rings true except I was so confused after researching everything and then seeing thi Perfect PCt that I got back on test because I was concerned about suppression so last week I went back to my regular weekly dose of 250. I'm wondering if this perfect PCT is correct for me or if I need to go a different route. any help would be greatly appreciated starting to get confused because everything on one article or forum contradicts everything on the other. Thank you for taking the time to read this
"Good morning everyone, this is my first post on here and it will probably be the most significant for me. I have been on 250 mg Test Sus every week for 2 years I'm 39 years old 6'2 240lbs. While I was on I was also talking hcg each week when I pinned to avoid atrophy and lowering of sperm count. During that period my wife and I were both tested in terms of fertility to see if we were in good shape to have children, everything checked out and sperm count was near 10 million. Around 6-7 months ago I lost my hcg source and then life happened, I got slack and never acquired more hcg so for last 6 months still doing 250 every week no hcg. My wife and I are now considering IVF next year. I have had no testicular atrophy that I can tell of. As of right now I'm still producing seaman, not sure about the swimmers though.I took my last pin 2 weeks ago and was going to start clomid 50mg ED for 4 weeks yesterday ( This was all I was prepared with, I understand I was foolish here) in the last 72 hours multiple people I have spoken with and of course that led to me digging through the internet which left me more confused, I'm now being told I should take hmg or hcg before I start clomid. My question for you all is.
1. Is clomid 50mg ED for next 4 weeks a good or bad idea?
2. Should I start with hcg or hmg and wait on clomid?
3. If your answer to hcg/hmg is yes then I'm going to need to source and wait for it that will probably be a couple more weeks and I'm already 2 weeks out from last pin, should I start up T again at 250 or a lower dose to keep from becoming suppressed too early?
I really appreciate you taking the time to read this, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If you happen to have a lay out in terms of what to do week to week if it's something other than the clomid by itself I would appreciate that as well.
"Good morning everyone, this is my first post on here and it will probably be the most significant for me. I have been on 250 mg Test Sus every week for 2 years I'm 39 years old 6'2 240lbs. While I was on I was also talking hcg each week when I pinned to avoid atrophy and lowering of sperm count. During that period my wife and I were both tested in terms of fertility to see if we were in good shape to have children, everything checked out and sperm count was near 10 million. Around 6-7 months ago I lost my hcg source and then life happened, I got slack and never acquired more hcg so for last 6 months still doing 250 every week no hcg. My wife and I are now considering IVF next year. I have had no testicular atrophy that I can tell of. As of right now I'm still producing seaman, not sure about the swimmers though.I took my last pin 2 weeks ago and was going to start clomid 50mg ED for 4 weeks yesterday ( This was all I was prepared with, I understand I was foolish here) in the last 72 hours multiple people I have spoken with and of course that led to me digging through the internet which left me more confused, I'm now being told I should take hmg or hcg before I start clomid. My question for you all is.
1. Is clomid 50mg ED for next 4 weeks a good or bad idea?
2. Should I start with hcg or hmg and wait on clomid?
3. If your answer to hcg/hmg is yes then I'm going to need to source and wait for it that will probably be a couple more weeks and I'm already 2 weeks out from last pin, should I start up T again at 250 or a lower dose to keep from becoming suppressed too early?
I really appreciate you taking the time to read this, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. If you happen to have a lay out in terms of what to do week to week if it's something other than the clomid by itself I would appreciate that as well.
you don't have to buy everything in it. it is merely a blueprint
Yes sir I read all 25 pages of this thread.
Purpledakota360
New member
I figured as much. I was more curious how many people actually use the entirety of this PCT for every cycle? It just seemed like a lot to cover. I see more and more PCT suggest SARMS and I have thought about giving them a try before any AAS.
well sarms are a great weapon in pct. cardarine is non hormonal of course, but ostarine can also be ran properly. you can hit me up for a sarms1 code and that will save you $$$ right there. the other stuff is on PSL and if you price it out right it isn't as much as you think
Purpledakota360
New member
I got a code from another guy here, I think Dylan? Thanks for the help. I’d like to maybe try SARMS before AAS and to lose some BF before anything else.
i will PM you a code to sarms1 so you have both
Purpledakota360
New member
Got it, thanks
I know this question has probably been asked before and I can’t seem to find it but can’t I just take aromasin only as my pct after using lgd and s4 for 12 weeks. Also what if I just use s4 for 12 weeks, will an AI only be ok. (FYI. just purchased aromasin from over seas and don’t want to spend anymore money on pct and I do have m1mk as well). And how much should I take for my mini pct?
Just do a quick search for quick pct
gashred777
Cyborg Humanoid Brother
Take them both at the same time.
You could always not do gear and all that if the risk is something you're concerned about.
Joe Rogers
New member
Experiences differ. I’ve personally never heard anyone complain about depression from clomid. IMO depression would come from the imbalance in your hormones ie. if your estrogen levels are higher than test levels.
there are plenty of guys who have depression and mood issues on clomid. just do a google search. the mistake they make is
1. they run too much for too long
2. they don't counter act it with a strong T booster like n2generate
Anabolic Girl
SCAMMER BANNED
super nice post, thank you so much
I'd save it. You don't have to use everything you have just cos
You would be best to incorporate that into your pct. Its perfect for that
I read you post on the perfect PCT and I was wondering if you could help me navigate some of this information?
I will be doing an only oral Turinabol cycle, is Nolva + N2Guard enough? or should I add more to my PCT? An aromatize inhibitor maybe?
Cycle:
Turinabol
week1- 20mg
2,3- 30mg
4,5,6- 40mg
PCT:
Nolvadex
1-40mg
2,3- 20mg
4-10mg
Thank you for your time and the knowledge you have already passed on
I will be doing an only oral Turinabol cycle, is Nolva + N2Guard enough? or should I add more to my PCT? An aromatize inhibitor maybe?
Cycle:
Turinabol
week1- 20mg
2,3- 30mg
4,5,6- 40mg
PCT:
Nolvadex
1-40mg
2,3- 20mg
4-10mg
Thank you for your time and the knowledge you have already passed on
stefanzweigold
Banned
PCT is a tough one. I've used eroids and napsgear for years and have been on many cycles but strangely enough a IFBB pro told me about mixing viagra and cialis into my cycles and maybe it's just me but on a test 800mg/week cycle i started gaining an average of 1lbs more on muscle per week and that with 50mg viagra EOD. since eroids doesn't sell it i've used
you don't want to abuse cialis and viagra like that man. they come with side effects. use only when needed
let's not get caught up with what 'pros' use. many of them are unfortunately junkies who throw tons of drugs at themselves and live short lives. i don't see the purpose in doing that and it is selfish
let's not get caught up with what 'pros' use. many of them are unfortunately junkies who throw tons of drugs at themselves and live short lives. i don't see the purpose in doing that and it is selfish
Turinabol doesn't aromatize so there is no point in taking an AI. N2 guard is liver support not PCT, its necessary but just know why you are taking it. While you can do oral only cycles I think injectables would be a better idea, that being said I have no idea what your goals are or your doses, or even better yet just do a sarms cycle. Otherwise your nolva seems like a pretty standard PCT if you really got excited you could add some hcg into the mix but I think that would be unnecessary in your case.
Google their half life and you'll have the answer.
agree with your first point.
but n2guard isn't just liver support. it is a very smart idea not just on cycle but also during PCT because it helps balance hormones, and overall organ support.
No it doesn't matter. Dose it whenever is best for you
ronnie2929
New member
I have a few questions, as there seems to be some contradictory information between what you put in this post and what is in the link you shared.
You say to take HCGenerate ES and run it for all 8 weeks? In the link/chart, it shows only using HCGenerate ES for the first two weeks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but each bottle only comes with 30 caps ($155 per bottle). 2 bottles would last a total of 12 days at 5 caps a day. So not even two weeks? So if I'm suppose to take 5 caps everyday for 8 weeks, I would need almost 10 bottles? So $1,550.00 in HCGenerate ES alone?
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm just going off of what your post says and the prices I'm seeing on the websites you attached links to. I want to make sure I do the perfect PCT, but $1,550 just for HCGenerate ES aspect of it seems extremely pricey.
Thanks.
There are 150 caps per bottle.
Also in my opinion having just completed this PCT, using normal Hcgenerate is fine. I don't think the ES has anything THAT special to justify the price.
In my more honest opinion, I felt no difference using hcgenerate at all than just a SERM PCT. That may have just been my own experience but keep in my mind this PCT is written on a forum that is sponsored by n2bm... So n2s owner and the board are profiting off calling this the one and only perfect PCT.
Having said that, I will always use n2guard and n2shampoo as I have personally seen a difference using them. Natural test boosters on the other hand, they don't really do much. They may help "support" natural testosterone production, but they won't make your test levels come up anymore than restarting on SERMs alone.
remember the purpose of pct is to get a soft landing
the best thing you can use in pct and bridge is n2generate becuase they are natural herbs. and ES means extra strength. so it has what n2generate has and more, also has additional ingredients that the classic version does not have.
the best thing you can use in pct and bridge is n2generate becuase they are natural herbs. and ES means extra strength. so it has what n2generate has and more, also has additional ingredients that the classic version does not have.
Thank you.
All covered.
legit cardarine can be run at every time
You can run it anytime since it is non-hormonal. The nice thing in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. It is typical to get a spike in cortisol during PCT. Cardarine will also help you keep pushing harder in the gym even when you don't feel "on" anymore.
Ok. Im on my first cycle ever. Im new to the game. I should of done more reseaech besides listening to friends. Im on my 8th week out of 12 weeks that i plan on doing. I been doing 400mg test cyp a week. At week5 i started stacking with 20/30mg DBol a day. So far i got good gains ( 25lbs muscle) and no serious side effects. But im just learning about pct and other supplements that i should be taken. So my question Is where do i go from here? Should i be taken anything else these last 4 weeks with my cycle and what pct do i do? Help would be appreciated. Thank you
yeah it really makes a difference!
For the end of the cycle, just add N2Guard to your cycle. If you follow the perfect pct, you will see when to add in n2generate es. That will make a huge difference on how you feel as the esters are clearing.
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/n2generate-es
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/n2generate-es
You didnt gain 25 lbs of muscle. Maybe 10 to 15% of that at the most. That is water, glycogen and fat
Hey EVO Fam, just a heads up that I have updated this protocol to include all current sponsors and links to the specific products. I really hope you find this helpful when planning your cycles. I believe this is the most comprehensive PCT out there.
Useful - thanks.
thanks for the heads up brother and for updating it!
