My take: you can get lean gains and possibly even improve cardio without using tren… ever. My first cycle was winstrol only. I got bigger, stayed lean, maybe even leaner, cardio improved the whole time. But I did go far too long and I should not have done that. I don’t recommend winstrol only but it absolutely did work. After I bought it, but before starting the cycle, I spent a couple months working out and eating the best I knew how. My friend did the same cycle with me and he didn’t do those things and all that really happened was he puffed up a bit and felt stronger and then deflated and looked worse. Keeping your gains as a young health conscious man doing short steroid cycles is the trick. Keeping what you can, that is.