First Cycle - Steroids or SARMS?

[Samueld]

I've been looking for a couple of months now into steroids. I never used steroid, SARMS, or other drugs for sports.

However, I did use cannabis, cocaine, and MDMA in my life and i'm completely clean from it for a couple of years now.

I've never been a strong user of hard drugs i did it a couple of times (MDMA no more than 10 times with minimum 3 months between each roll to get my serotonin levels back to normal).

Cannabis on the other hand i have used during 7 years each day and switched to vaporizing at the end for healthier consumption and to clean my lungs and airways of all the nasty combustion. I did this to reverse the effects of the years of combustion i did in the hope to purify my lungs back to normal.

Now I stopped 1 year already and i'm completely clean i can say i'm training more seriously than ever and have very strong lifts under my belt especially for my height and weight. I'm 27 yrs old and 5'8 tall and weigh around 190LB. My current strongest lifts are 420lbs squat/485 deadlift/285lbs benchpress/155lbs overheadpress. Although i don't have the ultimate physique yet i throw that on poor genetics.

My body looks quite impressive and very bulky on the top especially my chest. Sometimes i find my chest overdeveloped for my length. You could say i have a powerlifting kind of chest. Frankly, my biceps and forearms are underdeveloped compared to my chest. Although i do train my arms once per week correctly they just don't size up and always lacked in size.

I do think i'm weak on smaller muscles. When you take a look at how much my overheadpress and benchpress is to my other lifts there is a significant difference. I also have a feeling that i'm quite sensitive to gyno. Maybe that's because of my cannabis consumption in the past.

Now that my stats and background are clear i would like to ask what i could be taking to achieve a nice shredded look, more bulk in my biceps and forearms, and increased vascularity. I estimate my fat percentage around 12-15%, a cutting agent would be nice, just keep it anti-gyno i don't want my chest to grow even bigger it's already too much now they need to be more aesthetic.


Curious about the advice.

 

[EZ_E]

You're going to drop BF% with diet and cardio.

NEVER EVER blame "poor genetics"

"Strong user" is a sunjective term & make no mistake, coke is a "hard drug"

If you have an addictive personality you need to make sure you are mentally ready for anabolics.

IMO you should give yourself more time of consistently dieting & training B4 running anything.

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You're going to drop BF% with diet and cardio.

NEVER EVER blame "poor genetics"

"Strong user" is a subjective term & make no mistake, coke is a "hard drug"

If you have an addictive personality you need to make sure you are mentally ready for anabolics.

IMO you should give yourself more time of consistently dieting & training B4 running anything.

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[Mobster]

I've been looking for a couple of months now into steroids. I never used steroid, SARMS, or other drugs for sports.

However, I did use cannabis, cocaine, and MDMA in my life and i'm completely clean from it for a couple of years now.

I've never been a strong user of hard drugs i did it a couple of times (MDMA no more than 10 times with minimum 3 months between each roll to get my serotonin levels back to normal).

Cannabis on the other hand i have used during 7 years each day and switched to vaporizing at the end for healthier consumption and to clean my lungs and airways of all the nasty combustion. I did this to reverse the effects of the years of combustion i did in the hope to purify my lungs back to normal.

Now I stopped 1 year already and i'm completely clean i can say i'm training more seriously than ever and have very strong lifts under my belt especially for my height and weight. I'm 27 yrs old and 5'8 tall and weigh around 190LB. My current strongest lifts are 420lbs squat/485 deadlift/285lbs benchpress/155lbs overheadpress. Although i don't have the ultimate physique yet i throw that on poor genetics.

My body looks quite impressive and very bulky on the top especially my chest. Sometimes i find my chest overdeveloped for my length. You could say i have a powerlifting kind of chest. Frankly, my biceps and forearms are underdeveloped compared to my chest. Although i do train my arms once per week correctly they just don't size up and always lacked in size.

I do think i'm weak on smaller muscles. When you take a look at how much my overheadpress and benchpress is to my other lifts there is a significant difference. I also have a feeling that i'm quite sensitive to gyno. Maybe that's because of my cannabis consumption in the past.

Now that my stats and background are clear i would like to ask what i could be taking to achieve a nice shredded look, more bulk in my biceps and forearms, and increased vascularity. I estimate my fat percentage around 12-15%, a cutting agent would be nice, just keep it anti-gyno i don't want my chest to grow even bigger it's already too much now they need to be more aesthetic.


Curious about the advice.

Try hammer curls

 

[Samueld]

I will never touch that crap again i already feel bad that i mentioned this. In short i don't have an addictive personality.

My goal is not to drop body fat but to increase definition and muscle size in smaller muscles. Improving recovery of those muscles is probably a good solution.

From the looks of my current lifts i don't think you are aware of how serious and consistent i am training.

My diet is not a problem either body fat will keep dropping i'm currently cutting to make myself ready.

To be clear i didn't touch cocaine for 5 years already and never purchased it myself i was getting it for free from friends.

 

[stevesmi]

you shouldn't feel bad for mentioning this

i know so many people with addictions, they are a bitch to overcome. a lot of my good friends are sadly addicted to nicotine and have tried to quit on numerous occasions with no success. they are going to die young and die a painful death. knock on wood i tried smoking a few times and found it disgusting enough to never touch it again. i can't stand being around smoking at all. but what if i had took a liking to it? best thing with addictions is don't get into the habit in the first place

 

[Fella Finn]

I will never touch that crap again i already feel bad that i mentioned this. In short i don't have an addictive personality.

My goal is not to drop body fat but to increase definition and muscle size in smaller muscles. Improving recovery of those muscles is probably a good solution.

From the looks of my current lifts i don't think you are aware of how serious and consistent i am training.

My diet is not a problem either body fat will keep dropping i'm currently cutting to make myself ready.

To be clear i didn't touch cocaine for 5 years already and never purchased it myself i was getting it for free from friends.

First of all I am very happy to hear that you've managed to overcome those bad habits and it's great to see you are taking these steps to improve your health and well-being and get your body in shape!
To be honest I would not recommend you to take anything nor do I think you even need to take anything to achieve your goals.

What you need to do is to get on a training program and let the diet do it's job.
You get definition by leaning out. There are no magical exercises to bring definition into muscles. It's genetic but body weight also plays a huge role in it.
But once you start getting leaner the muscles will start showing up more and more. That's for sure.

It's time to start your journey to a leaner and healthier physique and I want to wish you the best of luck for that quest!

 

[Samueld]

Guys don't treat me like a 18 yrs old kid or someone with no experience in training.

I'm training for a long time now and know enough about serious programming and proper dieting.

If i'm asking for advice about steroids/SARMS don't start giving me advice on how i should train or diet instead.

I want advice on what i could take as a first cycle and achieve the most results out of it regarding the details i mentioned above.

I want increased vascularity and muscle repair in order to add more bulk in my arms. I might be sensitive to gyno. I have been advised a 250/200 Test-E/Mast-E cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

Guys don't treat me like a 18 yrs old kid or someone with no experience in training.

I'm training for a long time now and know enough about serious programming and proper dieting.

If i'm asking for advice about steroids/SARMS don't start giving me advice on how i should train or diet instead.

I want advice on what i could take as a first cycle and achieve the most results out of it regarding the details i mentioned above.

I want increased vascularity and muscle repair in order to add more bulk in my arms. I might be sensitive to gyno. I have been advised a 250/200 Test-E/Mast-E cycle.

YOU DONT come in here asking for help and then tell everyone how to answer you! who do you think you are ? If you ask a question, you get the BEST answer, not the answer you want to hear... SMFH

 

[Samueld]

YOU DONT come in here asking for help and then tell everyone how to answer you! who do you think you are ? If you ask a question, you get the BEST answer, not the answer you want to hear... SMFH

I agree with you partly. Unfortunately i receive the WORST answers.

Some people have to read and understand and not read what they want to understand.

I'm already doing everything i can to grow bigger arms and using steroids or sarms to lose fat is not my main goal.

I'm currently on a cutting diet and my body fat will keep dropping to 10-12% (shouldn't be that more than enough?)

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Try hammer curls

Already doing hammer curls...

 

[dylangemelli]

I agree with you partly. Unfortunately i receive the WORST answers.

Some people have to read and understand and not read what they want to understand.

I'm already doing everything i can to grow bigger arms and using steroids or sarms to lose fat is not my main goal.

I'm currently on a cutting diet and my body fat will keep dropping to 10-12% (shouldn't be that more than enough?)

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Already doing hammer curls...

its all about consistency and discipline.. its hard to say exactly where you are at right now from your post... people are ONLY looking out for you, not being pricks to you... the difference here is that people want to make sure you are doing everything right so you dont end up hurting yourself... 190 is good size for your height... if you want to post up a picture, i can give you a body fat estimate and advise you where to start but i personally feel sarms would be a better way to start

 

[Samueld]

What you need to do is to get on a training program and let the diet do it's job.

To be clear i'm not FAT... I'm already on a decent training program and have a proper diet. I have a proper physique and my muscles show more than enough.

It's time to start your journey to a leaner and healthier physique and I want to wish you the best of luck for that quest!

Start??? I'm already busy training for a long time my friend. I'm training for more than 5 years now. SMH

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its all about consistency and discipline.. its hard to say exactly where you are at right now from your post... people are ONLY looking out for you, not being pricks to you... the difference here is that people want to make sure you are doing everything right so you dont end up hurting yourself... 190 is good size for your height... if you want to post up a picture, i can give you a body fat estimate and advise you where to start but i personally feel sarms would be a better way to start

Thanks at least someone is seeing more clearly. I weight 190 yes but did you see my lifts? I have quite big lifts for a natty lifter: 420lbs squat/485 deadlift/285lbs benchpress/155lbs overheadpress... How do i upload/send a pic on here?

 

[dylangemelli]

To be clear i'm not FAT... I'm already on a decent training program and have a proper diet. I have a proper physique and my muscles show more than enough.



Start??? I'm already busy training for a long time my friend. I'm training for more than 5 years now. SMH

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Thanks at least someone is seeing more clearly. I weight 190 yes but did you see my lifts? I have quite big lifts for a natty lifter: 420lbs squat/485 deadlift/285lbs benchpress/155lbs overheadpress... How do i upload/send a pic on here?

lifts are fine... im not real worried about that... its more so your body fat etc so i can make the right recommendation, but yes, they are good... so if you go to tinypic.com and upload your picture then paste the FORUM CODE in your post, it will put up the pic

 

[Samueld]

lifts are fine... im not real worried about that... its more so your body fat etc so i can make the right recommendation, but yes, they are good... so if you go to tinypic.com and upload your picture then paste the FORUM CODE in your post, it will put up the pic

Here you go i'll let you be the judge. Currently on creatine. If you need more pics from side i can send too.

 

[awm1981]

Really comes down to what are you looking for?

Example I am 6'9" tall. First pic is after a sarms cycle weighing in at 250 pounds give or take. Second pic is after a test only 500mg/week 12 week cycle weighing in at 282 pounds. The sarms cycle I added strength but cut body fat as well. With the test cycle I added a lot of size and strength but sacrificed some definition. Also sarms need a shorter and more simple PCT, AAS needs a lot more.

 

[Samueld]

lifts are fine... im not real worried about that... its more so your body fat etc so i can make the right recommendation, but yes, they are good... so if you go to tinypic.com and upload your picture then paste the FORUM CODE in your post, it will put up the pic

 

[OutlawV2]

I weight 190 yes but did you see my lifts? I have quite big lifts for a natty lifter: 420lbs squat/485 deadlift/285lbs benchpress/155lbs overheadpress.

I don't think those lifts are THAT big.... I'm ten pounds lighter than you and I can beat everyone of those.... And the bench by 50 lbs (335).... Granted yes you are natty I understand so i'll give you that.... But I don't think those numbers are otherworldy even for a natural..... It really depends. I've seen 190 lb guys that looks like 187.2 lbs of boiled shit.... And then i've seen some 190 lb monsters... I'm sure with those lifts you're looking pretty good....

So here's my .02.... Fuck SARMS... I'm just not on board with it, and I know that alot of the bros on here are. But for some crazy reason I look better than most all those dudes. It's a bridge to more effective compounds.... Is gear less safe??? Ummm I dunno. I don't see alot of FDA Reports flying around about SARMS... Kind of an unregulated section of "quasi-gear"...... The shit I take is regulated. I know the dosage, and I know the sides..... And I for SURE know the effectiveness.... All my pics are posted in the "how swole is EVO" thread.. First post..... I figure if you are gonna take and/or inject your body with some shit a guy a few countries over told you is ok, then source the REAL shit you know is effective, and mitigate the risks from there...

Back to your original post...

I'd take 400 mg of Test weekly if I was you.... For 12 weeks.... That's it... Don't matter what type... Cypionate or Enanthate if you want to do TWO injects per week.... Propionate if you want to do eod injections or at a minimum M/W/F.....

Masteron I don't know why you'd want to do that, unless it's for the appetite.....

If you ABSOLUTELY wanted to do some type of stack, then i'd stack test (as above) with a mild oral like Anavar..... Do that for 12 weeks and I GUARANTEE your body will respond....

You will also need to use an AI of some sort... Aromasin, Arimidex.... Anastrazole.... All have their own ups and downs.... most take 1/2 tab every other day. I found that to be too much for me verified through blood work...

 

[Samueld]

lifts are fine... im not real worried about that... its more so your body fat etc so i can make the right recommendation, but yes, they are good... so if you go to tinypic.com and upload your picture then paste the FORUM CODE in your post, it will put up the pic

I've added the link and it needs to be approved by a moderator first. Why is it taking so long to approve the post i made 3-4 hours ago?

 

[dylangemelli]

I've added the link and it needs to be approved by a moderator first. Why is it taking so long to approve the post i made 3-4 hours ago?

Im sorry im done man. I cant handle your attitude. People do work during the day. You nor anyone else is paying us to answer your questions. We all dont sit here all day waiting to answer your questions. We do it as we can. Good luck.


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[Samueld]

Im sorry im done man. I cant handle your attitude. People do work during the day. You nor anyone else is paying us to answer your questions. We all dont sit here all day waiting to answer your questions. We do it as we can. Good luck.


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WTF... SMH.

 

[dylangemelli]

WTF... SMH.

Shake your fucking head all u want! Listen to yourself!! Its ridiculous. You want help, free help, and are throwing demands and BITCHING about not getting immediate attention. Its ridiculous!!!! You see anyone else doing that shit??? No u dont


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[Samueld]

Shake your fucking head all u want! Listen to yourself!! Its ridiculous. You want help, free help, and are throwing demands and BITCHING about not getting immediate attention. Its ridiculous!!!! You see anyone else doing that shit??? No u dont


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The only one who's bitching here is you... Look at how you are reacting.

 

[dylangemelli]

The only one who's bitching here is you... Look at how you are reacting.

Lol really? So u didnt start fucking bitching about waiting for your post to be approved and answered? Really?? Really??? You didnt start bitching about people not answering how u want? Really? Really? Im sick and tired of this disrespectful bull shit. You ask a question and u get it answered when people are ABLE! Not when u expect, demand etc... i realize everyone thinks they are just entitled to whatever and whenever and that shit might fly with mommy and daddy but not in the real world... you can try to twist shit with ignorant people but not me... admin approves posts when they can. I was the one actually trying to help u


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[Samueld]

Lol really? So u didnt start fucking bitching about waiting for your post to be approved and answered? Really?? Really??? You didnt start bitching about people not answering how u want? Really? Really? Im sick and tired of this disrespectful bull shit. You ask a question and u get it answered when people are ABLE! Not when u expect, demand etc... i realize everyone thinks they are just entitled to whatever and whenever and that shit might fly with mommy and daddy but not in the real world


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I was asking a simple question. You seem like you're messed up in your head.

 

[dylangemelli]

I was asking a simple question. You seem like you're messed up in your head.

Lol see u cant address any facts. You just asked a question and i got pissed? Really? I love how u just skip the facts. Its my mistake for trying to help after u were disrespectful to start


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[dylangemelli]

I was asking a simple question. You seem like you're messed up in your head.

Admin will approve your post when they see it... then im sure u will get all the help u need... if i was able to do it then i would have

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[btutic]

It is up to you if you want to take something,but if you decide to take then SARMS are better option for first time

 

[gashred777]

I don't think those lifts are THAT big.... I'm ten pounds lighter than you and I can beat everyone of those.... And the bench by 50 lbs (335).... Granted yes you are natty I understand so i'll give you that.... But I don't think those numbers are otherworldy even for a natural..... It really depends. I've seen 190 lb guys that looks like 187.2 lbs of boiled shit.... And then i've seen some 190 lb monsters... I'm sure with those lifts you're looking pretty good....

So here's my .02.... Fuck SARMS... I'm just not on board with it, and I know that alot of the bros on here are. But for some crazy reason I look better than most all those dudes. It's a bridge to more effective compounds.... Is gear less safe??? Ummm I dunno. I don't see alot of FDA Reports flying around about SARMS... Kind of an unregulated section of "quasi-gear"...... The shit I take is regulated. I know the dosage, and I know the sides..... And I for SURE know the effectiveness.... All my pics are posted in the "how swole is EVO" thread.. First post..... I figure if you are gonna take and/or inject your body with some shit a guy a few countries over told you is ok, then source the REAL shit you know is effective, and mitigate the risks from there...

Back to your original post...

I'd take 400 mg of Test weekly if I was you.... For 12 weeks.... That's it... Don't matter what type... Cypionate or Enanthate if you want to do TWO injects per week.... Propionate if you want to do eod injections or at a minimum M/W/F.....

Masteron I don't know why you'd want to do that, unless it's for the appetite.....

If you ABSOLUTELY wanted to do some type of stack, then i'd stack test (as above) with a mild oral like Anavar..... Do that for 12 weeks and I GUARANTEE your body will respond....

You will also need to use an AI of some sort... Aromasin, Arimidex.... Anastrazole.... All have their own ups and downs.... most take 1/2 tab every other day. I found that to be too much for me verified through blood work...

^^this


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[Chemically Enhanced]

What is it with OP's attitude?

Excuse all the misspells and auto-corrects, my phone thinks it knows better...

 

[EZ_E]

Why is this thread not closed?

 

[buddhabuilder]

Why is this thread not closed?

Certain level of attitude from op...


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[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Post up a picture so we can get a good idea of body fat first......

 

[btutic]

Aliexpress callipers are 2dollars..everyone should have that. By the way..these smart scales?how accurate are they?..never used...

 

[muskate]

Start with SARMS. Do 1-2 SARM cycles and then venture into steroids

 

[Mobster]

Guys don't treat me like a 18 yrs old kid or someone with no experience in training.

I'm training for a long time now and know enough about serious programming and proper dieting.

If i'm asking for advice about steroids/SARMS don't start giving me advice on how i should train or diet instead.

I want advice on what i could take as a first cycle and achieve the most results out of it regarding the details i mentioned above.

I want increased vascularity and muscle repair in order to add more bulk in my arms. I might be sensitive to gyno. I have been advised a 250/200 Test-E/Mast-E cycle.

When asking for advice it's best not to set rules for how you want to be addressed.

 

[Samueld]

Post up a picture so we can get a good idea of body fat first......

I can't reply the people who send me PM's because i don't have 100 posts yet... The message i have posted yesterday (+/- 15 hours ago) is still not visible. I posted it 2 times and it's not working/approved.

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Here you go i'll let you be the judge. Currently on creatine. If you need more pics from side i can send too.

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lifts are fine... im not real worried about that... its more so your body fat etc so i can make the right recommendation, but yes, they are good... so if you go to tinypic.com and upload your picture then paste the FORUM CODE in your post, it will put up the pic

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What do you think my body fat is from the look of this picture (currently on creatine)...?

 

[Fella Finn]

To be clear i'm not FAT... I'm already on a decent training program and have a proper diet. I have a proper physique and my muscles show more than enough.


Start??? I'm already busy training for a long time my friend. I'm training for more than 5 years now. SMH

Okay it was a misreading on my part. No need to get aggressive here so calm down.
And going back to your original question I really don't know what kind of magic bean you are looking for in here?
There's no magic steroid that will give you those things you listed.

You get big arms by training them. You get vascular and shredded by dieting down to leaner body weight and that's it.
And just because you are acting like that I am not even gonna bother elaborating more on training and stuff.

 

[stevesmi]

i would peg you somewhere around 16-17% which is very good for the avg american.

most of the USA is at minimum 30%

now to get that lower you need to take things to the next level.

 

[muskate]

I can't reply the people who send me PM's because i don't have 100 posts yet... The message i have posted yesterday (+/- 15 hours ago) is still not visible. I posted it 2 times and it's not working/approved.

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What do you think my body fat is from the look of this picture (currently on creatine)...?

You have a good base. I would run some cardarine for 8 weeks and make an aggressive approach at fat loss.

That way you'll be lean and mean and ready to start a steroid cycle. The body grows best in a lean state. You will get more out of your steroid cycle by cutting down your body fat first