Pic from first contest. Teen, at 18 in 1990

[pgc640]

Won was unbelievable for 18 and we are still in contact till today.
He won the teen nationals the following year. Then started tearing apart the men at 20-21.
Unfourtunatly, if you know about high level competitive BB there are just as many head drugs around as Steroids and GH. He developed a very bad addiction which landed him in prison for a year. More sadly, it totally ruined someone who was on track to be a very good pro.

 

[pgc640]

I posted this because of the debate on another thread saying 24 is too young to start anything.

 

[stevesmi]

what in the world is wrong with his bicep?

and if anything that picture proves that teens shouldn't use steroids. what is the rush exactly and how fucked up is his HPTA, organs, and finances? when you are 20 and don't care about your future you learn the hard way when you get older and marry a chick and can't knock her up. you learn the hard way when you are served divorce papers and her lawyer calls you out for using illegal steroids in front of the judge and he awards her all your money.

 

[P0N]

I know that kids and young men are going to use PEDs, and they undoubtedly work. However, I'm never going to advise it. Endocrine systems are still under development at that age, and it inevitably leads to being on TRT for life.

 

[gearhead]

bro looks like he has some pump n pose in his BIs...

 

[pgc640]

what in the world is wrong with his bicep?

and if anything that picture proves that teens shouldn't use steroids. what is the rush exactly and how fucked up is his HPTA, organs, and finances? when you are 20 and don't care about your future you learn the hard way when you get older and marry a chick and can't knock her up. you learn the hard way when you are served divorce papers and her lawyer calls you out for using illegal steroids in front of the judge and he awards her all your money.

To address your other points that were pure conjecture. Ithat was the first time I had used anything. I always loved bodybuilding and started training at 14. Joined first gym at 16 and it just happened to be the most famous bodybuilding gym in the east coast. I looked good for 18 but I knew nothing, was told what to do from a guy preparing for the nationals.
Why start so early, what's the rush? By the time I started dieting for that contest I probably ate better and trained harder than most in this crooked site. As long as you have those things dkw what the hell is the difference when I started. I should have waited for 30 or 35 which would have given me no chance of turning pro as a bodybuilder.
I actually quit bodybuilding on my own in 1999 because I graduated from law school that year and knew bodybuilding would just poorly affect my career. I could have turned pro as a middleweight eventually, but then what? Starve or suck dick for money. Because no way I could stand next to the Shawn Ray's, Kevin LeVrone's, Flex wheeler's of the world. I was just smart enough recognize that and have a backup plan. I never got married BTW just fucked about 250 women over the years. That is what happens when you have a six figure career and are not a fat slob. So I had no one to take my money.
Why not just say you disagree with starting so young, I can respect that but to attack me and make up some crazy situation in your head that is not close to true is plain stupid, argumentative and wrong.
Last thing my numbers on my blood tests are fine.. Y cholesterol was 78. I'm in no way unhealthy. So go back to selling your worthless supplements and ripping off these kids who actually listen to you despite being a fat slob. You may as well ban me now. I just went on this site as a joke. I know exactly what it's about its all a bunch of bullshit to push your worthless N2Gaurd and push these horrible sources. Dillon and yourself should be ashamed of yourselves. Go ahead pick apart those pictures too, they are all from through the 1990's. Some advice when standing next to someone makes you look like a fool don't talk about them.

 

[Mobster]

I posted this because of the debate on another thread saying 24 is too young to start anything.

And I also posted with the word genetics.

Then there's his other drug use and prison. Age related?

 

[stevesmi]

lol dude i never said you didn't look good. calm down

i get my post was harsh but it can be applied to ANYTHING in life, not just bodybuilding. my point is too many teens and 20 somethings rush too much. I did the same thing and although I don't regret it i do wish i had someone older talk to me to avoid mistakes i made. once you are 40 and 50 and 60.. those mistakes you made at 20 can have a huge effect on your life.

now in terms of bodybuilding the reason I, dylan, and mobster all steer teens away from steroids is life does not end at 25. and yes once you hit 35 and 40 and can't shoot bullets there is going to be repurcusions. i've seen plenty of marriages go to shit because the guy could not shoot bullets thanks to steroid use and the female divorce him on those grounds and get everything

 

[Mobster]

I'm confused. In the photo post pgc640 says:

Won was unbelievable for 18 and we are still in contact till today.
He won the teen nationals the following year. Then started tearing apart the men at 20-21.
Unfourtunatly, if you know about high level competitive BB there are just as many head drugs around as Steroids and GH. He developed a very bad addiction which landed him in prison for a year. More sadly, it totally ruined someone who was on track to be a very good pro.

But when pgc640 replies to the question of what looks like a pump and pose enhanced bicep in that same photo HE gets annoyed and replies as though it's HIM in the pic.

 

[stevesmi]

i'm confused too. he also said in another thread he was an attorney and then got upset when i said someone was wrong with that dudes bicep. which there is. i have a bunch of people around me and i just showed them that picture and they thought the person had some sort of enlarged tumor. so i'm not the weird one for thinking an 18 year old shouldn't look like that.

i don't judge other people at all so i don't care what someone else does. however i'm not going to change my opinion that teens have no business using steroids, because well they don't.

 

[14RS3]

I thought it was Franco Santoriello’s body but he was bigger than middleweight wasn’t he?

 

[pgc640]

And I also posted with the word genetics.

Then there's his other drug use and prison. Age related?

You mean it's illegal and could put you in prison. Your right I never said what I did was smart, only that it's what I did and do not regret it.
About landing in prison. If your caught on a possession charge in my state at least its possession in the 7th degree, a misdemeanor. Your not going to prison. Now if you are selling gear in a decent scale you could end up with Distribution of a Controlled Substance and most likely conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance. Both D felonies. If you have a clean record and a decent lawyer you are not going to prison on this. Most likely, in a first offense situation you would end up taking a plea for possession so no felony on your record. Pay some fines, some community service.
Now if you have a prior record then you can worry.

 

[pgc640]

lol dude i never said you didn't look good. calm down

i get my post was harsh but it can be applied to ANYTHING in life, not just bodybuilding. my point is too many teens and 20 somethings rush too much. I did the same thing and although I don't regret it i do wish i had someone older talk to me to avoid mistakes i made. once you are 40 and 50 and 60.. those mistakes you made at 20 can have a huge effect on your life.

now in terms of bodybuilding the reason I, dylan, and mobster all steer teens away from steroids is life does not end at 25. and yes once you hit 35 and 40 and can't shoot bullets there is going to be repurcusions. i've seen plenty of marriages go to shit because the guy could not shoot bullets thanks to steroid use and the female divorce him on those grounds and get everything

I'm sorry for attacking you personally that was wrong. What I was mad about was not your opinion on when to wait ect. It was the crazy situation you made up that was entirely wrong. Yes, it got me heated and I lost my head and said some things I normally never would. I apologize again, I should never make this personal. You do have your right to your opinion. You are right I wonder sometimes if I'll make it to 60 because of what I did. You know, if I do drop dead at 58 I still would not have changed anything.
Also I happened to have the genetics to do very well. Many don't. Those are the ones really putting their health at risk for no reason.

 

[stevesmi]

You know, if I do drop dead at 58 I still would not have changed anything.
Also I happened to have the genetics to do very well. Many don't. Those are the ones really putting their health at risk for no reason.

I respect that. for me I want to live as long as I can, how else will I ever see my beloved Dolphins win a Super Bowl?

and to your 2nd point, yes you do have amazing genetics if that is you in those pictures. probably in the top .5% even on this forum.

if you are really an attorney on top of that i would say you did damn well for yourself regardless especially since you guys get a retainer and charge up the ass per hour. so you got nothing to be regretful about aside from choosing a profession with long hours

 

[pgc640]

I respect that. for me I want to live as long as I can, how else will I ever see my beloved Dolphins win a Super Bowl?

and to your 2nd point, yes you do have amazing genetics if that is you in those pictures. probably in the top .5% even on this forum.

if you are really an attorney on top of that i would say you did damn well for yourself regardless especially since you guys get a retainer and charge up the ass per hour. so you got nothing to be regretful about aside from choosing a profession with long hours

Very, very long hours. I'm in the gym 2am sometimes. Ive done 21 years, and I can't wait till I can retire and never think about it again.
I'm glad we straitened this out. I'm not sure about the bicep but synthol hadn't even been produced yet at the time. Maybe it's the shitty picture or angle.

 

[Mobster]

You mean it's illegal and could put you in prison. Your right I never said what I did was smart, only that it's what I did and do not regret it.
About landing in prison. If your caught on a possession charge in my state at least its possession in the 7th degree, a misdemeanor. Your not going to prison. Now if you are selling gear in a decent scale you could end up with Distribution of a Controlled Substance and most likely conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance. Both D felonies. If you have a clean record and a decent lawyer you are not going to prison on this. Most likely, in a first offense situation you would end up taking a plea for possession so no felony on your record. Pay some fines, some community service.
Now if you have a prior record then you can worry.

He confusing part refers to the buddy going to jail which then seemed to become you (the 'he' and me thing). Anyway...

Genetics, maturity and education is the why 25.

Most men (most roid users are male) don't fully mentally mature until 25-30. Physically it varies from the guys with 'taches at 13 to the asexual guys at 18+. Now take most gym users today - they want to be on gear and stimmed to fuck about 3 weeks after finding a gym. Add to that ZERO knowledge on gear. A career (like yours) and a 'do or die' attitude that changes five minutes are finding THE girl when... cue shock.. their balls don't work and they become desperate for a fix (see the growth in IVF cos of people leaving it too late, low sperm levels and drug use inc gear) and they are SOME of the reasons we say 'not yet'.

 

[cbbram]

I don't care how genetically gifted someone is. I don't not recommend anyone using steroids until they are over 25 years old.

 

[BABA50]

Are we going to get to the bottom of this or not ???? Lol , dude clearly started off saying it was someone else !!! Now it’s himself ???? Give us an answer or I call the whole story all bullshit !!!

 

[RickRock]

I'm not going to lie. I didn't read all that. I got bored with it. I dont care about the story, what's true, what's not. My stance on underage steroid use is strong. I dont condone it at all. I waited until I was married, and had all of my kids before using a thing. I was 36 before using any hormone. One of the best decisions I ever made

 

[Hrt4life]

I am so confused. Im not trying to be a dick but are you OK? None of what you're saying makes any sense. Are you a convicted felon with a drug problem or a lawyer that gave up bodybuilding because there is no money or future in it? Really it doesn't matter which one you are both are really great reasons why kids should not be using gear.