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Inhuman2012
Growing Brother
Domestic for me! I hate the wait of international the customs risk n the fact of the high percentage of fake pharm grade gear!
It all depends on your source. I know a great source who has euro stuff delivered domestically, so...meh.
Also, some dom UGLs have quality gears too because they've found a great powder source and they take care with their brewing.
Some int'l sources are great and some are dbags. Same with doms.
Also, some dom UGLs have quality gears too because they've found a great powder source and they take care with their brewing.
Some int'l sources are great and some are dbags. Same with doms.
Ceo we need to deal in hard facts. So give me your contacts and Ill let everyone know how fast and the quality of their products. Ill be a good bro and take one for the team. ;-)
Not at this time. I had a couple I checked out but now their sites are down and that scares the shit out of me. Any areas I could look to find some? Look im use to Ef and not coming right out and asking for a source and I wouldnt do that to a brother. Just asking for guidance. Im willing to do homework just in right direction.
meathead96
Advanced Cyborg Brother
International for me. Can't beat the prices.
prices are generally less for int'l, but with all the UGLs popping up...many of them will drop their prices. They usually don't stay in biz for more than 2-3 years if they're decent sized. A small, semi-private lab can stay in biz for years, but because they do less volume and don't have a website, they usually charge more. But they're safer. In my experience, these guys usually take care and do a good job brewing their gear, so you end up with a quality product.
meathead96
Advanced Cyborg Brother
thedarkhalf
Growing Brother
I found a decently priced domestic place that isn't too much more expensive than international. So with the slight added cost, and added convenience of not having to dick with customs, I'll roll with domestic. Gear is fire too.
as long as you have a good powder source, yeah. But without a way to test your powders...how will you truly know how good of a source they are?
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Bane1985
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CEO is right , there is no way these guys can test there powder unless they have a $ 750.000 machine that test the powder and the melting point to see if the product is real and purity levels ..unless your source is getting HG..
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Bane1985
Guest
Yes the same does go for finished product... So your really only benefiting from home brewing are the safety standards , you still don't know what your actually taking and how much of.. The only product I see worth making your self is tren from finaplix pellets , at least from those you know you are getting the correct dose.. Unless your a biomedical engineer and you have the proper machines to test the powder , or you really really trust your source , I say it's not worth it.. Stick with a well known lab or HG products
Yeah I can see your point. In my case I am down in Mexico and Pharma grade was too expensive for my budget, and limited(Dbol,Tren, etc) and the UGs down here are crap. Plus after playing with the Fina conversions I kinda got hooked.
I am lucky I was able to get a very good source and brewing has worked out for me.
I am lucky I was able to get a very good source and brewing has worked out for me.
You in TJ brah?
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Bane1985
Guest
I have had not so good luck with international , I'm always on top with domestic , was giving the best domestic source there Is ( HG ) can't beat that !!
So having to clear customs is safer for you? Im confused
meathead96
Advanced Cyborg Brother
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Bane1985
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Melting points work to a certain point but not always 100%.. I have done melting points on different compounds at home before with a hot plate, and done it at my job where I have professional Thiele tube melting point apparatus and results have been night and day...
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Bane1985
Guest
Some people don't even get night sweats, and tren cough is from the needle hitting a vein and the tren getting into the blood... I have taken fina tren that I personally made before I did not sweat so much .. Everyone reacts different .. In my opinion I think most tren is underdosed but we would never know cause you can feel the effects of such a little dose ... It was reported that you did not want to do more then 2 amps a week of the original parabolin that gave the user exactly 50mg of tren after the ester was used up. A 100mg of pure tren did a lot.. My point is tren can be felt even if it's underdosed by half...
paja
Banned
i agree with u brother every body react different i was talking about my self, and u right is not the same pharma and lab but i used one test was call the monkey wow better than pharma very strong and smooth like butter and no alcohol
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Bane1985
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There are some UGL out there that make as good or even better then HG...sorry if I sounded like a ass !! My bad bro !!
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Bane1985
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I can tell you right now that US customs is not closed !! There just might not be as many of employees at the moment ..
paja
Banned
jaaaaaa that ok bro, yes i knw my bro u got another point there,i think we going to b very good friends
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Bane1985
Guest
Lol ..... Sounds good to me .....
paja
Banned
Is this because they have your address or what? If they do have your address isnt it the same as if it was international cause they have your address too... I guess I dont understand why either would be less dangerous.
the only shitty gear i ever got was domestic.. never had any issues with international quality. when Z shutdown I did lose some money though but thats the risk i was willing to take.
always keep your orders small and keep in mind sources change. a good source a year ago doesn't mean shit today.
always keep your orders small and keep in mind sources change. a good source a year ago doesn't mean shit today.
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Bane1985
Guest
I lost money two when Z shut down but he came back and was filling lost orders and I emailed him and 2 weeks later I had my gear and he even gave me a lot of free stuff also
meathead96
Advanced Cyborg Brother
Ok well its a better bet than using a UGL when you have no idea what your getting and no way to test it at all. If its test you can get bloodwork or you can go by results with other compounds. Whats your point? UGL is better for some reason?
I agree with you Meat. With powder you can do a melting point test, check for consistencies in appearance, smell, etc. I also used to mix my Prop at 150mg/ml to see it fall out of suspension and also at 200mg/ml to see it not suspend. I know its not the most scientific, but it gives you an idea of the purity. Also once filtered through a 0.2 filter you are at least comfortable knowing that you have filtered out bacteria.....NOW, with a UGL what assurances do you have? You have zero clue whats in the bottle, what concentration, and what safety/sterility standards were used.
The 1st time you try a UGL what are you injecting? You only have user reviews and the rep of the company, from there you determine everything else on post injection reaction/results. The same we do with powder, but with more assurances in hand.
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Bane1985
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And this is why I mostly stick with HG gear......
meathead96
Advanced Cyborg Brother
Half the HG gear is actually UGL put in amps anyways. The point is unless its from the pharmacy you dont know 100 percent. Pay 10 times the price of raws if it makes you feel better.
paja
Banned
Half the HG gear is actually UGL put in amps anyways. The point is unless its from the pharmacy you dont know 100 percent. Pay 10 times the price of raws if it makes you feel better.
that so true my bro, is not the same i preferred to pay a little more if im short in money than i get saizen 8.8
Please give us the reasoning and any legit sources (citations?) to support this outrageous claim.
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meathead96
Advanced Cyborg Brother
You will need a real address for international, it needs to be signed for. P.O. Is ok for domestic.
meathead96
Advanced Cyborg Brother
Yeah prob not....
Inhuman2012
Growing Brother
I've made my own gear and to remain sterile really isn't all that hard! The domestics I use the makers use there own product! There not doing any different than I would in the process! Not all Dom are like that! Not all pharm is either look at the 2010 warning to jelffa!
Came in, packing was tight bottles look good. Not impressed so far with this vet test, week 3 so we shall see.
Test only twice a week, no pip to speak of. Gonna get some Domestic next week and will prob add in more test, and primo or deca.
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Can you say what vet gear you got....I am real familiar with the Mexico market here, just curious.
testosterona 50/20ml and some tamfenax Over priced in my opinion compared to what I see in the Domestic market right now.
Have you ever tried this stuff mh?
The Brovel stuff is pretty decent if you get it direct from a vet source. I used to buy the 10ml vials for around $70 pesos or $5 dollars. I am not sure what the 20ml goes for but it is usually best to get them at the Ganadera, not 3rd party.
I used to run the Brovel quite a bit, obviously for price, but it became difficult to get without a scrip. Funny huh, I can walk righ into the pharmacy and get human grade without a scrip, but the vet stuff is now restricted. The differencve is the price, like I said 10ml of Brovel 50 $5, 1ml of Testoviron Depot from Scherring, $22 dollars 10ml = $220.
Take care Bro.
hugeNelson
Growing Brother
My friend at the gym, told me all Brovel is fake now, is that true?
here in Mexico that is not the case, i am not sure about the stuff they are selling online. i see chillbill got some good product but like he say he didnt like the fact that it is dosed at 50mg/ml.
i used to love the stuff, i mean at 5 dollars a bottle you cant go wrong, but it you need a scrip now for vet meds so it complicates things a bit
bigMarti
Growing Brother
Until he's busted and rats out all your records. I can't wait for my job and family to find out about my steroid use because I used a guy that was domestic (and YEA that shit happens all the time)
Man I disagree with this, if a source gets busted they are not going to go after the little guy that orders a few cycles a year...it would be a waste of their time and money. They would be drilling the source to find out who they get their materials from. Unless you can point me somewhere that shows this happening.
bigMarti
Growing Brother
You can disagree all you want bra, fact is many of the guys busted after ordering from domestics make a deal with the feds and part of it is keeping your mouth shut. Domestic is dangerous, foolish and will open the door for you to lose your life. Your job finds out, your wife finds out, everyone finds out you are using steroids.
hugeNelson
Growing Brother
Good point, domestic is dangerous as hell.
bigMarti
Growing Brother
So you think guys importing raw steroids INTO the USA in kilograms makes it safe? you must be a source yourself if you think thats safe. What happens when they easily busted by mail service which many are busted like that.
AllanS
Proficient Brother
THANK YOU! how the hell does anyone think importing kilograms of steroid powders into the USA is safe? total bullshit hype. Domestic is dangerous as hell.
beastmode707
Proficient Brother
My local source was busted, he gave up all customers and my workout partner was taken in for questioning for buying from him at the gym. It went to his job, his boss found out. Domestic is not very safe.
-SD-
New Member
How did he get busted? How did he fuck up?
beastmode707
Proficient Brother
what do you mean how? Isn't it obvious what happens when you import KGs of raw steroid powder into the USA? eventually what happens. Post investigator with DEA busted him, very simple. He gave up all customer information and all email and client print outs they took right from his computer at home in the good ol us of a.
AllanS
Proficient Brother
Local guys give up customer information fast and easy, and get busted easy. I'm in LE, I know! (even though I'm a desk guy lol)
Domestic gets busted and rolls all the time.
beastmode707
Proficient Brother
bigMarti
Growing Brother
EXACTLY! how hard is it to get customer records from a domestic guy.
beastmode707
Proficient Brother
Once these guys buying domestic are busted than we'll see how they sing.
how long have you guys been doing this?
Back when ORD went down several UG labs got busted. LE didn't care much about customers. They care about suppliers. They want to cut off the head to stop the supply. You think when they stop a car or bust a tunnel at the border and grab several kilos of H they are going to ask those guys who they are selling the stuff to? The fuck! They don't give a shit.
And someone's story about, "I know one guy who got questioned" doesn't mean it happens all the time. The only thing LE might be looking for is customers who order very large quantities intended for distribution. If you're the average bro ordering a cycle 2, 3, 4 times a year, they aren't going to waste their time.
For every "one guy" who is a customer of a source that gets dragged in and questioned (who was probably making large orders, or repping for the source...somehow tied closer to him than other customers) there are thousands of other customers who continue on as usual because nothing ever happens with them...they just find a new source.
Back when ORD went down several UG labs got busted. LE didn't care much about customers. They care about suppliers. They want to cut off the head to stop the supply. You think when they stop a car or bust a tunnel at the border and grab several kilos of H they are going to ask those guys who they are selling the stuff to? The fuck! They don't give a shit.
And someone's story about, "I know one guy who got questioned" doesn't mean it happens all the time. The only thing LE might be looking for is customers who order very large quantities intended for distribution. If you're the average bro ordering a cycle 2, 3, 4 times a year, they aren't going to waste their time.
For every "one guy" who is a customer of a source that gets dragged in and questioned (who was probably making large orders, or repping for the source...somehow tied closer to him than other customers) there are thousands of other customers who continue on as usual because nothing ever happens with them...they just find a new source.
someone could just as easily say, "Once these guys buying internationally get busted by a controlled delivery then we'll see how they sing."
Both ways have their risks, but not having to deal with customs and have your address flagged or risk a CD is probably a better way to go.
CEO, while you are correct that this is possible, that's 1 person, and to top it off it's been made in customs publications that controlled deliveries are no longer a priority. On the other hand, a domestic source with kilograms of steroids being shipped in and customer records/shipping labels in their house is a lot more dangerous than anything most guys can imagine.
Gee, where have I heard this before? Hmm... Oh yeah!!
You using my argument bro? I'm flattered.
We can both post up plenty of articles where domestic sources were busted. How many can you post up where LE raided houses of customers based on a fucking customer list? You think that's enough to get a warrant?
Officer: "Yes your honor, it would appear that sometime in the past few years this drug dealer was operating, these people all may have made at least one purchase from him, and may possibly still have their 6 vials and 100 tablets of steroids in their possession, likely at their house...if they haven't used it or sold it already. Can we get warrants?"
Judge: "Get the fuck out of here and quit wasting my time."
CEO I agree with you on this one. That is what I was talking about earlier when I replied to this thread. LE is very short staffed right now due to budget cuts the last thing they got time for is going after the little guy. They bust the source and hammer his dick into the dirt until they find out his materials source then they cut that off. They are not going to bust a source in Florida and set up a raid at a guys house in California that might buy a few cycles a year. Waste of time and resources. With that being said both ways have their own set of risks involved and one should proceed with caution before every doing something that could possibly be illegal.
LMAO yup that's what happens. In my mind at least.. (crosses fingers)Gee, where have I heard this before? Hmm... Oh yeah!!
You using my argument bro? I'm flattered.
We can both post up plenty of articles where domestic sources were busted. How many can you post up where LE raided houses of customers based on a fucking customer list? You think that's enough to get a warrant?
Officer: "Yes your honor, it would appear that sometime in the past few years this drug dealer was operating, these people all may have made at least one purchase from him, and may possibly still have their 6 vials and 100 tablets of steroids in their possession, likely at their house...if they haven't used it or sold it already. Can we get warrants?"
Judge: "Get the fuck out of here and quit wasting my time."
Domestic all the way. Not once have I had a problem. And CEO is right they are not going to go after the consumer, they go after the ones responsible for supplying. And why would they exhaust themselves busting some who is purchasing for personal use. Not likely, won't happen.......
bigMarti
Growing Brother
Who told you they are not going after buyers? You have no idea how many lives are ruined over buying domestic. Just takes 1 letter or phone call to a job to ruin a career/life.
D-Sand
Proficient Brother
If my wife or job found out about my use, I would be divorced/fired, so I rather order international than risk it with domestic suppliers being busted and giving away my information.
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Bane1985
Guest
Dude your ordering illegal drugs , does not matter if it's domestic or INT .. Your still taking a chance of getting busted .. And you should be honest with your wife about using.. Woman are not dumb , she will fine out sooner or later..
Exactly
I don't understand how you could hide it from a wife or even a housemate, live in g.f, etc sooner or later they'd find out. You married her clearly you can be upfront who knows she may surprise you, my gf looked me in the eyes and asked if there's anything she could take to keep up with me and even help her compete one day!
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beastmode707
Proficient Brother
Try getting a local gym dealer caught (also domestic dealer) and snitching everyone out, where there are work visits and you lose your job!
Domestic = dangerous, simple as that IMO.
how many?
Post the numbers. Sounds like you know. So out of the millions of bros buying roids in the US that do not order internationally, how many have had their lives ruined?
yeah, because nobody has EVER been busted from ordering illegal drugs from overseas. Nope. 100% safe. lmfao
