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LordMalachi said:
this might seem a bit off topic but I was wondering if you guys also sell other stuff like finasteride.
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Hello,
Personally I've not seen finasteride available with pur or any ugl in Canada that I've delt with before.

However there is many chinease vendors available to try, I can't speak for them myself but I've used some of these vendors for others things. In box me if your in Canada, all I can do is point you
 
My last 2 order from @pur-pharma-canada came super fast.
Love working with the people over there, always answer my messages, send fast replies, accept payments and even genuinely seem to care about me as a person.


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are you guys still using Canada Post or a courier? I want to place an order, but I need to know if it will get through the system.
 
phucker55 said:
are you still using Canada post or are you gonna use a courier so I can place an order?
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We are using Canada Post for now
We can use courier if you prefer .
It's a increase in delivery cost
 
NFW said:
Hi All,

I’m new here but I’ll be posting quote a bit. Been running PUR exclusively for the past 3 years, absolutely amazing stuff. Super clean, no pip, and the quality of the gear is top notch. I’ve tried almost every brand from you could think of Syn, VRX, IP, even Innovagen to name a few.. nothing compares to PUR.

I’m currently 4 weeks into my off-season phase, and will be for the next 4-5months before I start prep for a show at the end of the year.

Currently running:
800mg test enth
300mg primo

Will post updates here and there but so far strength and fullness are already increasing by the week.
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(Update 05/31/2025) -

Now at the 3month mark of my off-season. Wasn’t able to track a log, picked up some viral infection a couple weeks ago that landed me in the ER, couldn’t digest any solid food for 2 weeks and was on meds, but we’re all sorted now thankfully. Full steam ahead.

Switched from EOD injections to ED injections (smaller injection volume and much more stable blood levels). I always feel better doing ED shots vs other frequency protocols but just more of a hassle to pin especially with off-season dosages.

Dropped the primo a week ago and switched to Mast Prop, (which my body personally handles better than Primo), and added 20mg MK677 pre-bed empty stomach which has made a huge difference in overall muscle fullness as well as appetite 👌🏽

Old Stack: EOD shots
800mg Test E
300mg Primo

New Stack: ED shots
875mg Test E
350mg Mast P
20mg MK677

Will update again in a couple weeks. Thanks for following along!

**Anyone new to this thread and is considering ordering from PUR.. what are you waiting for? The best lab you’re gonna be able to get your hands on.
 
pur-pharma-canada said:

Greetings to all members of Evolutionary.org!

Who We Are

PUR-Pharma is a domestic-only operation, and we strive to be the primary source on Evolutionary. We are a professional Canadian Pharmaceutical Lab with growing provincial sales.

Our goal is for PUR-Pharma to be the most reputable lab here because our product is carefully created to exacting laboratory standards, and we know each product here very well.

We have been in business for eight years and have a strong presence in local markets across Canada. Our large following proves our quality and results. This is what brings us to Evolutionary: to grow our product recognition across Canada and reach more Canadians who are looking for an elite edge.

Our clients, including many IFBB professionals, have always achieved impressive results throughout Canada, and they know this gear is top-notch and pharmaceutical grade. Along with a smart diet plan and solid training regiment, our products have given our clients the edge needed to compete at top levels with outstanding results.


Reviews, Sharing your experiences with the Forum

We will stand out.

We are being very honest and transparent. All our products are made to pharma specifications, giving us the confidence to stand out from our competition because we are PUR-Pharma.

We are setting up a review page, so be sure to check it out as we always welcome feedback - good and bad. We encourage you to share with other members your great results and experiences with our products. Our vials, capsules, packaging and equipment are second to none, as they are created in a genuine pharmaceutical facility. Yes, even people wearing lab coats and booties, lol.


Note on Orals

Our philosophy on ORALS: "Tablets vs Capsules", is a pretty straight forward "science" if you know and understand that pills will contain a mix of binders and fillers that are then press formed into a shaped Tablet or Pill… leading to an irregular absorption rate of the main ingredient. Whereas our Capsules contain purely the main ingredient within a dissolvable shell contributing to a faster and maximum absorption without erroneous ingredients.


Customer Service, Shipping, Delivery

Professional customer service is a solemn promise we make to our clients. We are always straight and on the level with our patrons to ensure your complete satisfaction.

We know how important delivery times and communication can be and we take great pride in providing a response to all emails within 24 hours and encourage our clients to reach out anytime regarding their orders.

Our general delivery time is 3-4 business days, assuring prompt service and delivery. Our orders are shipped Priority with Canada Post, complete with tracking to ensure visibility from start to finish. We will assist as much as we can, and if we don't know the answer, we will try our best to find it for you.

Canada ONLY, All tax is included, flat rate shipping cost: $25.00

Check out the price list attached.

Kindly provide the following information in you email to process your order:
  • Your Name for packaging
  • Complete address
  • Phone number (*optional)
  • List your desired Product items

A reply will be forthcoming with an order confirmation and instructions for payment.

mailto: [email protected]

NOTE: Data Retention Policy. The information you provide is for shipping purposes. Once your package has been received, any and all personal information is purged.
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There is purpharma.com and pur-pharma.is and purpharma products in nordic elitebody.ca is kinda confusing they all legit or affiliated
 
Just recently switched over to pur and couldn’t be happier. Quick response clean gear and great prices I also got it delivered just a day after it was shipped out which is a huge plus
 
Mmoga said:
Just recently switched over to pur and couldn’t be happier. Quick response clean gear and great prices I also got it delivered just a day after it was shipped out which is a huge plus
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@Mmoga good choice, @pur-pharma-canada is legit :D can you do a touchdown pic for us please?
 
Mmoga said:
Not a heavy hitter but this is what I got tmt injections going very well feel like I can inject the same spot the next day and the anadrol is giving a nice fullness throughout the day
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Beautiful color, I love that @pur-pharma-canada gear :D

@Mmoga Test masteron tren with anadrol? you're beast mode, you should start a log so we can follow you as the EVO family and help you grow more too, you check other logs?
 
Bigswaz said:
Growth guys sells it. Top quality amazing fast shipping. That and they have 20mg Reta for $180 I believe.
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They are not approved here, bring them here for approval if you want first.
 
Bigswaz said:
Approved or not they’re 100% legit. Reach out to them yourselves. Not everyone has to be on this forum to be a legit source.
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I don't know they are legit or not, and there is no evidence to say they are except what you posted here. And if they do want to get approved, they can come here contact mods and do so easy. as far as I know, until approved, stay away from growth guys so you don't get scammed, period. @Bigswaz
why are you so combative? you own the company? rep for them?

Further, you shouldn't post about a different source in this thread, this thread is about @pur-pharma-canada
 
LevButlerov said:
I don't know they are legit or not, and there is no evidence to say they are except what you posted here. And if they do want to get approved, they can come here contact mods and do so easy. as far as I know, until approved, stay away from growth guys so you don't get scammed, period. @Bigswaz
why are you so combative? you own the company? rep for them?

Further, you shouldn't post about a different source in this thread, this thread is about @pur-pharma-canada
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Just ordered from them a few dozen times without zero issues. Their approved on multiply other forums other then this one. Not trying to be combative, just thought I’d help someone find what they’re looking for.
 
Bigswaz said:
Just ordered from them a few dozen times without zero issues. Their approved on multiply other forums other then this one. Not trying to be combative, just thought I’d help someone find what they’re looking for.
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I think if they are approved on other forums they should come to EVO, if not, they are shady and not trusted to us. We had many scammers who were approved others places and scammed big time because we never vetted them. @Bigswaz
 
JRGG said:
Have tried a few different sources, been using PUR Test-cyp for a while now. Enough time to say it’s definitely the best I’ve used so far and won’t be going anywhere else any time soon. Ships fast as well. View attachment 107971
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@JRGG that looks good test cyp from @pur-pharma-canada
what is your cycle with this just test cyp trt?
 
Good Morning Evo !

We all know by now that Canada Post has gone on STRIKE without notice, which is no fun for all of us.

It is unfortunate that any orders currently on delivery will be delayed until Canada Post operations resume.

At the moment we are sorting out and organizing alternative shipping solutions that are already in place for current orders and answering everyones direct messages and emails as quickly as possible.

We totally understand this is seriously inconvenient, but thank everyone for having patience while we work through this unexpected situation.

Pur-Pharma-Canada & Elitebody Team
 
pur-pharma-canada said:
Good Morning Evo !

We all know by now that Canada Post has gone on STRIKE without notice, which is no fun for all of us.

It is unfortunate that any orders currently on delivery will be delayed until Canada Post operations resume.

At the moment we are sorting out and organizing alternative shipping solutions that are already in place for current orders and answering everyones direct messages and emails as quickly as possible.

We totally understand this is seriously inconvenient, but thank everyone for having patience while we work through this unexpected situation.

Pur-Pharma-Canada & Elitebody Team
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Canada post really irking me big time.
 
isudar said:
Just made a purchase for 2 test C vials on elitebody.ca. Hopefully they're real.

Proroid.is and Purpharma.is both sold me fake Test C.
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proroid is fake for sure same with purpharma is @isudar
you're in the EVO family now we will help you :D

what is your full cycle plan?
@pur-pharma-canada is fully legit!
 
I’m going to nicely go with your not going to take my order. Ignored my message about ordering via email here on the forum and then ignoring my email when your site clearly states your monitoring emails. I’m going to say between you and NF are the best 2 suppliers we have. Little upset I’ve been ignored.
 
Bigswaz said:
I’m going to nicely go with your not going to take my order. Ignored my message about ordering via email here on the forum and then ignoring my email when your site clearly states your monitoring emails. I’m going to say between you and NF are the best 2 suppliers we have. Little upset I’ve been ignored.
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You're saying @pur-pharma-canada didn't accept your order? @Bigswaz
 
LevButlerov said:
You're saying @pur-pharma-canada didn't accept your order? @Bigswaz
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They ignored me in this forum as you can see above. They replied to someone else the same day I made a post but ignored my message. I emailed them and got zero response, made an order no money accepted so cancelled my order with them. Getting zero responses from them.
 
Bigswaz said:
They ignored me in this forum as you can see above. They replied to someone else the same day I made a post but ignored my message. I emailed them and got zero response, made an order no money accepted so cancelled my order with them. Getting zero responses from them.
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They don't talk well on forums @Bigswaz they usually take time.
You are saying they didn't email you back? but didn't take your money right?
 
Bigswaz said:
I’m going to nicely go with your not going to take my order. Ignored my message about ordering via email here on the forum and then ignoring my email when your site clearly states your monitoring emails. I’m going to say between you and NF are the best 2 suppliers we have. Little upset I’ve been ignored.
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If your email was missed pls send again and I'll be sure it's answered .
 
Bigswaz said:
I’m going to nicely go with your not going to take my order. Ignored my message about ordering via email here on the forum and then ignoring my email when your site clearly states your monitoring emails. I’m going to say between you and NF are the best 2 suppliers we have. Little upset I’ve been ignored.
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We will address
 
Bigswaz said:
They ignored me in this forum as you can see above. They replied to someone else the same day I made a post but ignored my message. I emailed them and got zero response, made an order no money accepted so cancelled my order with them. Getting zero responses from them.
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Good moring,

It has been a challenge the last few weeks to get on top of the hundreds of messages being sent.
Unfortunately there have been a few messages that got buried and we are doing our best to sort through the chaos.
We want you and EVERYONE to know that customer service is our TOP priority.

If there are any questions about orders, it is important and very helpful to give us some basic info like the order number.
This makes facilitating a quicker response much easier and prevents potential delays in answering your questions.

We have made some changes recently and will work hard to keep the trust we have built with everyone.

Hold fast and say sturdy friends !
 
pur-pharma-canada said:
Good moring,

It has been a challenge the last few weeks to get on top of the hundreds of messages being sent.
Unfortunately there have been a few messages that got buried and we are doing our best to sort through the chaos.
We want you and EVERYONE to know that customer service is our TOP priority.

If there are any questions about orders, it is important and very helpful to give us some basic info like the order number.
This makes facilitating a quicker response much easier and prevents potential delays in answering your questions.

We have made some changes recently and will work hard to keep the trust we have built with everyone.

Hold fast and say sturdy friends !
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@pur-pharma-canada good follow up thank you :D @Bigswaz check
 
Bigswaz said:
Meaning I replied on here late. lol we’ve already talked through email.
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I thought you slamming him :P you know our back and forth I was getting ready lol @Bigswaz
 
Just picked up pack of RETATRUTIDE - been on for 6 weeks now and down 15lbs (in a moderate deficit with no cardio)

EB Reta is an absolute game changer 🔥🔥 never was this easy to get shredded for my upcoming vacation.

Completely blunts and keeps hunger to manageable levels, zero cravings, and holding all the muscle I built from my blast that I started back in March of this year.

Anyone who heard about this stuff and been waiting to hop on the train, stop waiting, this stuff is the PURest stuff on the market and tried and tested - good 2 go ✅
 

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NFW said:
Just picked up pack of RETATRUTIDE - been on for 6 weeks now and down 15lbs (in a moderate deficit with no cardio)

EB Reta is an absolute game changer 🔥🔥 never was this easy to get shredded for my upcoming vacation.

Completely blunts and keeps hunger to manageable levels, zero cravings, and holding all the muscle I built from my blast that I started back in March of this year.

Anyone who heard about this stuff and been waiting to hop on the train, stop waiting, this stuff is the PURest stuff on the market and tried and tested - good 2 go ✅
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You got retatrutide from @pur-pharma-canada correct?
what is your like? share please training too
 
LevButlerov said:
welcome @kevmuh1993 to the EVO family :D were you able to reach @pur-pharma-canada ? and what is your cycle plan?
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Hey, thanks boss!

No reply from Pur yet. I have a couple questions about the shipping. Im sure hes busy, but he did accept my payment yesterday for my order, so that's progress atleast.

Doing a 12 week blast of test and mast.
Stats are 235lbs, about 15%bf, age 32, 5' 8"
 
kevmuh1993 said:
Hey, thanks boss!

No reply from Pur yet. I have a couple questions about the shipping. Im sure hes busy, but he did accept my payment yesterday for my order, so that's progress atleast.

Doing a 12 week blast of test and mast.
Stats are 235lbs, about 15%bf, age 32, 5' 8"
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Give them 2-3 days they are busy at time @kevmuh1993

You sound big 235 15% wow! @BeMe @HarleyGuy @Bigswaz @Farmboy79 @VerticallyChallenged

Your cycle test and masteron sounds interesting, are you on cycle now? and whats the experience
and masteron is mostly out of stock why dont you try eq?
 
kevmuh1993 said:
Doing a 12 week blast of test and mast.
Stats are 235lbs, about 15%bf, age 32, 5' 8"
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Bro welcome to the EVO board and family. You seem ripe to join us in posting a log of your blast. If you'd consider it I'd 100% follow your log where you post daily or weekly updates of diet, supps, training, and gear results. Give it some thought you'd be a great addition here and we'd love to follow and help out.
 
kevmuh1993 said:
Hey, thanks boss!

No reply from Pur yet. I have a couple questions about the shipping. Im sure hes busy, but he did accept my payment yesterday for my order, so that's progress atleast.

Doing a 12 week blast of test and mast.
Stats are 235lbs, about 15%bf, age 32, 5' 8"
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Hey bro welcome to the fam. Stay a while and start a log. We can help you figure your way through your cycle and maximize those gains.

When you say blast, what kinda dosing are we talking about?
 
dleef said:
Sent an email to PUR a few days ago - no response yet. Are they that busy?
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welcome back to the EVO family @dleef
looks like @pur-pharma-canada replied
did you talk to him?
whats your cycle plan? can you share please
pur-pharma-canada said:
We respond to EVERYONE...
We have multiple means to reach us, and we are notified SECONDS after a message is received.
We see no messages from @dleef so you should
DM us if you need to reach us... and confirm you are using our DM or email addresses:

@[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Cheers !
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pur-pharma-canada said:
ooops, auto-incorrect kicked in...

DM's to @pur-pharma-canada

😁
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Autocorrect is a real problem with your name lol. I remember when I first joined I sent you and email but got no response. A few weeks later I looked back and my phone autocorrected Pur to Pure...duh
 
I just saw their reply and DMd them

In the past I've only used Test/Primo with good slow results. Given the Primo shortage I'm going to do my first lowish dose Decca cycle. I'm planning 12 weeks 300Test/150Deca/40 Tren and re-evaluate.


LevButlerov said:
welcome back to the EVO family @dleef
looks like @pur-pharma-canada replied
did you talk to him?
whats your cycle plan? can you share please
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dleef said:
I just saw their reply and DMd them

In the past I've only used Test/Primo with good slow results. Given the Primo shortage I'm going to do my first lowish dose Decca cycle. I'm planning 12 weeks 300Test/150Deca/40 Tren and re-evaluate.
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From primo to deca and Tren? That's an interesting choice.

Most would replace primo with mast or equipoise.
 
BeMe said:
From primo to deca and Tren? That's an interesting choice.

Most would replace primo with mast or equipoise.
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Mast makes my hair shed at higher doses. Equipoise I'm concerned with studies showing Kidney toxicity. Also EQ as a DHT derivative need to worry about Estrodile and possible hair shedding.

Deca has a higher safety profile than EQ according to my research, doesn't shed hair, is a better mass builder, and I've tolerated it before at 100mg (for joint releif) without issues. It seems a safer next step for me to bump this up to 150-200mg on this cycle.

The Tren I'm sprinkling in a baby dose of 40mg/week. There is anecdotal evidence that at this low a dose, there are no side effects and it provides pure anabolism detached from androgenocity - I've done this recently for 1 month with no sides.

I'm not looking to build crazy mass, just slight mass with a focus on body recomp, and I think this ~500mg cycle should be enough to do that without many negative effects
 
dleef said:
I just saw their reply and DMd them

In the past I've only used Test/Primo with good slow results. Given the Primo shortage I'm going to do my first lowish dose Decca cycle. I'm planning 12 weeks 300Test/150Deca/40 Tren and re-evaluate.
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if you like primo why not do EQ? its comparable to primoblan on e2 control and better than deca, have you considered it? @dleef
and i dont like deca and tren, 2 progestins no good

check our eq mega thread
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ios-a-study-of-equipoise-and-estrogen.105375/
 
dleef said:
Mast makes my hair shed at higher doses. Equipoise I'm concerned with studies showing Kidney toxicity. Also EQ as a DHT derivative need to worry about Estrodile and possible hair shedding.

Deca has a higher safety profile than EQ according to my research, doesn't shed hair, is a better mass builder, and I've tolerated it before at 100mg (for joint releif) without issues. It seems a safer next step for me to bump this up to 150-200mg on this cycle.

The Tren I'm sprinkling in a baby dose of 40mg/week. There is anecdotal evidence that at this low a dose, there are no side effects and it provides pure anabolism detached from androgenocity - I've done this recently for 1 month with no sides.

I'm not looking to build crazy mass, just slight mass with a focus on body recomp, and I think this ~500mg cycle should be enough to do that without many negative effects
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There’s no real kidney toxicity risk with EQ, that concern comes from old animal data at extreme doses. Even that study you can barely find these days.
If you’ve already run Primo without issues, EQ shouldn’t worry you for hair either since both act mild on that front. @dleef

Deca at 150-200mg is fine for joint comfort but you don't need more than 100 imo.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz @Dreamer @Freki
 
LevButlerov said:
There’s no real kidney toxicity risk with EQ, that concern comes from old animal data at extreme doses. Even that study you can barely find these days.
If you’ve already run Primo without issues, EQ shouldn’t worry you for hair either since both act mild on that front. @dleef

Deca at 150-200mg is fine for joint comfort but you don't need more than 100 imo.
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Hmmm... I've uncovered some studies and evidence of Kidney toxicity in humans partticularly Bodybuilders, albeit higher doses.

I guess I'm biased towards trying Deca first because my research reveals it as a safer overall PED, better mass builder and the fact I've actually used it before at lower doses (my confirmation bias) without issues and clean bloodwork.

It seems you feel strongly that EQ is a better choice, so perhaps I need to do more research and consider this if the Primo shortage persists.
 
dleef said:
Hmmm... I've uncovered some studies and evidence of Kidney toxicity in humans partticularly Bodybuilders, albeit higher doses.

I guess I'm biased towards trying Deca first because my research reveals it as a safer overall PED, better mass builder and the fact I've actually used it before at lower doses (my confirmation bias) without issues and clean bloodwork.

It seems you feel strongly that EQ is a better choice, so perhaps I need to do more research and consider this if the Primo shortage persists.
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Please share these studies on bodybuilders, waiting :D @dleef
 
LevButlerov said:
Please share these studies on bodybuilders, waiting :D @dleef
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Here is one study I found:

"Apparent renal disease due to elevated creatinine levels associated with the use of boldenone - PubMed https://share.google/lpWuVmV09moFKYzcR

I searched Google and saw a few other other human references as well. YouTube has many famous steriods commentators (Vigorous etc) mentioning it as well. I have not read all them in depth, but what I found did raise some concern.

If you are aware of these, perhaps you can share some insight on whether EQ is kidney toxic to humans.

While I sincerely do appreciate your insight and experience on these matters (clearly you have an excellent knowledge and experience, I'm not at all trying to undermine you); I'm feeling somewhat 'attacked' by you for having a different opinion and wanting to choose something that seems safer to me.
 
dleef said:
Mast makes my hair shed at higher doses. Equipoise I'm concerned with studies showing Kidney toxicity. Also EQ as a DHT derivative need to worry about Estrodile and possible hair shedding.

Deca has a higher safety profile than EQ according to my research, doesn't shed hair, is a better mass builder, and I've tolerated it before at 100mg (for joint releif) without issues. It seems a safer next step for me to bump this up to 150-200mg on this cycle.

The Tren I'm sprinkling in a baby dose of 40mg/week. There is anecdotal evidence that at this low a dose, there are no side effects and it provides pure anabolism detached from androgenocity - I've done this recently for 1 month with no sides.

I'm not looking to build crazy mass, just slight mass with a focus on body recomp, and I think this ~500mg cycle should be enough to do that without many negative effects
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I was only pointing out the fact that you went from one edge of the PED rainbow to the other lol. Primo couldn't be more different than Tren and deca is all I meant.

Usually you choose compounds specific to your goals i.e. lean slower gains then Primo; mass building deca and Tren (less so but can).

@LevButlerov already pointed out the kidney myth. That BB study your referencing might require a deeper dive. They were likely running well over a gram, and most compounds are very toxic at high doses.

If DHTs cause you to shed so much why choose Primo when it's known to fry hair too?
 
dleef said:
Here is one study I found:

"Apparent renal disease due to elevated creatinine levels associated with the use of boldenone - PubMed https://share.google/lpWuVmV09moFKYzcR

If you search on Google its easy to find many other human references as well. YouTube has many famous steriods commentators (Vigorous etc) mentioning it as well. I have not read all them in depth, but what I found did raise some concern.

While I sincerely do appreciate your insight and experience on these matters (clearly you have an excellent knowledge base, and I'm not at all trying to undermine you); I'm feeling somewhat 'attacked' by you for having a different opinion and wanting to choose something that seems safer for me.

At the end of the day, using PEDs is a risky venture and we all have different tolerances to out health. I'm glad that EQ works well for you, and I will take your advice with great consideration
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Don't feel attacked bro. I think you're just reading the words from a defensive posture. It's tough to convey sentiment over the internet right. Everyone's only trying to help. @LevButlerov is far and away more accredited then Vigorous Steve. I know who I'd take my advice from if they had differing opinions. Lev has far more experience and formal training then Steve.
 
I think I'm gonna stop responding as this is supposed to be a PUR-Pharma Thread and it's been Hijacked by the Mods wanting to exert their PED knowledge dominance at every turn.

I was only answering their questions out of courtesy, but as an newer/intermediate PED user it doesn't feel like they want to help/ understand my context, rather just looking to poke holes in my reasoning.
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I was only pointing out the fact that you went from one edge of the PED rainbow to the other lol. Primo couldn't be more different than Tren and deca is all I meant.
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If DHTs cause you to shed so much why choose Primo when it's known to fry hair too?
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Primo was the first secondary compound I tried. I used it for its safety profile. I found it for me at high doses it causes some shedding but not at moderate doses. There's no way to know which PED does what to you until you try, but we always try to make smart/safe choices.

I don't think Going from Primo to 'try' Deca 150mg discounts my reasoning it 'could' be safer than EQ. I'm sure you tried all or most compounds yourself to see what works best for you and is tolerable. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone thinking 40mg/week of Tren is dangerous either. My main concern is safety, and im open to hear substantive arguments in that regard. However, I'm tired of being attacked based on false premises, and straw man arguments.
 
dleef said:
Here is one study I found:

"Apparent renal disease due to elevated creatinine levels associated with the use of boldenone - PubMed https://share.google/lpWuVmV09moFKYzcR

I searched Google and saw a few other other human references as well. YouTube has many famous steriods commentators (Vigorous etc) mentioning it as well. I have not read all them in depth, but what I found did raise some concern.

If you are aware of these, perhaps you can share some insight on whether EQ is kidney toxic to humans.

While I sincerely do appreciate your insight and experience on these matters (clearly you have an excellent knowledge and experience, I'm not at all trying to undermine you); I'm feeling somewhat 'attacked' by you for having a different opinion and wanting to choose something that seems safer to me.
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Relax @dleef no one is attacking you lol :P come on. You put out a serious argument and now we have to discuss it, EQ is a serious topic here.

You didn't link to the study btw, and you mean this study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20980358

That study is weak and meaningless in real world terms. It’s a single case report on 1 guy who was abusing multiple steroids, probably dehydrated, training hard, and had no control variables. One isolated creatinine spike in a bodybuilder using boldenone means nothing when you factor in muscle mass, meat intake, and intense training elevating creatinine naturally.

They built a paper around a false positive that any competent sports doc would have identified as pseudo renal impairment. Without a biopsy, a baseline, or controlled conditions, it’s just one "scary story" wrapped in clinical language lol.

They even said
they caution that elevated creatinine and low eGFR may be misinterpreted as renal dysfunction
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Bodybuilders using boldenone with normal water intake (up to gallon) and bloodwork history, rarely if ever see any renal dysfunction, so calling it “renal disease” is sensationalism for journal credit, not science.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz @Dreamer @Freki @Gains Man @Mobster @AE1079
 
dleef said:
I think I'm gonna stop responding as this is supposed to be a PUR-Pharma Thread and it's been Hijacked by the Mods wanting to exert their PED knowledge dominance at every turn.

I was only answering their questions out of courtesy, but as an newer/intermediate PED user it doesn't feel like they want to help/ understand my context, rather just looking to poke holes in my reasoning.

Primo was the first secondary compound I tried. I used it for its safety profile. I found it for me at high doses it causes some shedding but not at moderate doses. There's no way to know which PED does what to you until you try, but we always try to make smart/safe choices.

I don't think Going from Primo to 'try' Deca 150mg discounts my reasoning it 'could' be safer than EQ. I'm sure you tried all or most compounds yourself to see what works best for you and is tolerable. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone thinking 40mg/week of Tren is dangerous either. My main concern is safety, and im open to hear substantive arguments in that regard. However, I'm tired of being attacked based on false premises, and straw man arguments.
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You can stop responding, but understanding clinical data and science behind what you're injecting is important, that's why we are trying to help you :D @dleef
 
LevButlerov said:
Relax @dleef no one is attacking you lol :P come on. You put out a serious argument and now we have to discuss it, EQ is a serious topic here.

You didn't link to the study btw, and you mean this study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20980358

That study is weak and meaningless in real world terms. It’s a single case report on 1 guy who was abusing multiple steroids, probably dehydrated, training hard, and had no control variables. One isolated creatinine spike in a bodybuilder using boldenone means nothing when you factor in muscle mass, meat intake, and intense training elevating creatinine naturally.

They built a paper around a false positive that any competent sports doc would have identified as pseudo renal impairment. Without a biopsy, a baseline, or controlled conditions, it’s just one "scary story" wrapped in clinical language lol.

They even said


Bodybuilders using boldenone with normal water intake (up to gallon) and bloodwork history, rarely if ever see any renal dysfunction, so calling it “renal disease” is sensationalism for journal credit, not science.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz @Dreamer @Freki @Gains Man @Mobster @AE1079
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Any Ped use, you should keep hydration so important
 
dleef said:
I think I'm gonna stop responding as this is supposed to be a PUR-Pharma Thread and it's been Hijacked by the Mods wanting to exert their PED knowledge dominance at every turn.

I was only answering their questions out of courtesy, but as an newer/intermediate PED user it doesn't feel like they want to help/ understand my context, rather just looking to poke holes in my reasoning.

Primo was the first secondary compound I tried. I used it for its safety profile. I found it for me at high doses it causes some shedding but not at moderate doses. There's no way to know which PED does what to you until you try, but we always try to make smart/safe choices.

I don't think Going from Primo to 'try' Deca 150mg discounts my reasoning it 'could' be safer than EQ. I'm sure you tried all or most compounds yourself to see what works best for you and is tolerable. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone thinking 40mg/week of Tren is dangerous either. My main concern is safety, and im open to hear substantive arguments in that regard. However, I'm tired of being attacked based on false premises, and straw man arguments.
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Attacked?? Exhert dominancr??? Man you kids these days are so soft with your micro aggressions and what not. No one attacked you once until now when I'm pointing out how damn soft you are.

I don't think the Internet is a place for someone like yourself. You found the most supportive and helpful community out there and you keep crying about people attacking you who are trying to help you. You're the typical modern day university kid who knows better than everyone else and when presented with an opinion counter to their own complains about being attacked instead of making any sense. I'm sure if there was and "ist" or "ism" word you could use you would be throwing it all over the place right now.

Go post your questions on Reddit. Don't have time for people like you.
 
Pigsy said:
Any Ped use, you should keep hydration so important
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If he didnt drink enough liquids and got bloods = way off
 
LevButlerov said:
Relax @dleef no one is attacking you lol :P come on. You put out a serious argument and now we have to discuss it, EQ is a serious topic here.

You didn't link to the study btw, and you mean this study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20980358

That study is weak and meaningless in real world terms. It’s a single case report on 1 guy who was abusing multiple steroids, probably dehydrated, training hard, and had no control variables. One isolated creatinine spike in a bodybuilder using boldenone means nothing when you factor in muscle mass, meat intake, and intense training elevating creatinine naturally.

They built a paper around a false positive that any competent sports doc would have identified as pseudo renal impairment. Without a biopsy, a baseline, or controlled conditions, it’s just one "scary story" wrapped in clinical language lol.

They even said


Bodybuilders using boldenone with normal water intake (up to gallon) and bloodwork history, rarely if ever see any renal dysfunction, so calling it “renal disease” is sensationalism for journal credit, not science.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz @Dreamer @Freki @Gains Man @Mobster @AE1079
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I love how @LevButlerov can dissect these at the click of a finger 😂👌👌👌
 
Pigsy said:
We are always learning in this journey. Always good to have an open mind
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I do my best to have an open mind lol
 
Allupfromhere said:
How old are ya bro🧐🧐😄
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I second that question.

@LevButlerov is like Batman up in here. There's so much we don't know about him and we only find out tiny details here and there. I swear it's going to be like 10 years before I truly know the guy and his personal life.

Thanks for asking @Allupfromhere I never have the balls to ask hahaha
 
BeMe said:
I second that question.

@LevButlerov is like Batman up in here. There's so much we don't know about him and we only find out tiny details here and there. I swear it's going to be like 10 years before I truly know the guy and his personal life.

Thanks for asking @Allupfromhere I never have the balls to ask hahaha
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One for the boys brother 😂
 
@dleef
Listen to this. And yes, EQ is better for a clean bulk if you're going to run it a long time like 16+ weeks. Renal issues with EQ are bullshit. That's my 'non-science' non- @LevButlerov assessment.

LevButlerov said:
so calling it “renal disease” is sensationalism for journal credit, not science.
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I can't stand how they do this just to hype up their journal article that has 15 names on it so they can get credit towards their M.Sc. or Ph.D.
BeMe said:
Go post your questions on Reddit. Don't have time for people like you.
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I have both a T-Shirt and baseball cap that says "fuck your feelings". We don't reply on here for feelings, we reply with science based and trusted anecdotal data. Feelings get in the way of progress (my psychologist hates when I say that LOL). If you let us hurt your feelings and let us rent space in your head you're only infringing on your own progress.
Allupfromhere said:
I love how @LevButlerov can dissect these at the click of a finger 😂👌👌👌
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He is "The Entity". I'm 90% sure he's human.
Pigsy said:
It does get hard sometimes
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That's what she said.
 
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