Veteran Log Toronto Pro Qualifier 2026 Prep Journal

[JackD42]

I'm dropping everything I was on for right now except :
Primatropin Test Cream ; 25 mg ed

And gonna retest bloods in a few weeks.

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm dropping everything I was on for right now except :
Primatropin Test Cream ; 25 mg ed

And gonna retest bloods in a few weeks.

I think you're panicked too fast, I dont think your bloods are bad at all, what exactly you worried about? @JackD42

 

[LevButlerov]

That's Google's AI Gemini answering your question in the 2nd screenshot you posted. Gemini is decent, but ChatGPT is way better. With ChatGPT you can ask it a question but also feed it info about yourself

For example in your case I'd say I got dizzy doing my leg workout after a blood test. I did leg Press etc. Tested at 9am, training at 1pm, current peds are, my age and weight are, I've been on PEDs for 10 years, etc. The more info you feed it the better it will work for you. It will also remember that stuff so every question you ask it later on it will consider all the info it has already.

Like @LevButlerov said it's bad with ped advice, but with medical stuff it's pretty good.

You see what I mean @BeMe? @JackD42 read a bit on ai and not panicked maybe nothing even wrong with him.

I'm dropping everything I was on for right now except :
Primatropin Test Cream ; 25 mg ed

And gonna retest bloods in a few weeks.

 

[RoidRage69]

I think you're panicked too fast, I dont think your bloods are bad at all, what exactly you worried about? @JackD42

I think he needs to get off all mind altering drugs and use kratom instead.

 

[BeMe]

You see what I mean @BeMe? @JackD42 read a bit on ai and not panicked maybe nothing even wrong with him.

Definitely panicking @JackD42

That was Google not ChatGpt he checked. His alt is elevated but it said to consult a doctor. Not stop all peds LOL.

Bro you're freaking out over nothing. Just add in some liver support to your stack. Get some N2guard. Or if money is a bit tight atleast some Tudca.

 

[LevButlerov]

Definitely panicking @JackD42

That was Google not ChatGpt he checked. His alt is elevated but it said to consult a doctor. Not stop all peds LOL.

Bro you're freaking out over nothing. Just add in some liver support to your stack. Get some N2guard. Or if money is a bit tight atleast some Tudca.

I don't think he even needs a doctor, just stop orals and get some n2guard or like 4-5 supplements instead, tudca alone wont help. 2beme

 

[BeMe]

I don't think he even needs a doctor, just stop orals and get some n2guard or like 4-5 supplements instead, tudca alone wont help. 2beme

I don't think he's running any orals right now. But @stevesmi always preaches injectibles will hit the liver too.

Yea tudca I mentioned as a bare minimum. If you can only go for 1 based on cost that's the one. N2guard is a lot in Canada. I dropped $330 for my 3 bottles.

Ideally Tudca, NAC, Milk Thistle...what's the other 1 or 2? @LevButlerov

 

[JackD42]

Definitely panicking @JackD42

That was Google not ChatGpt he checked. His alt is elevated but it said to consult a doctor. Not stop all peds LOL.

Bro you're freaking out over nothing. Just add in some liver support to your stack. Get some N2guard. Or if money is a bit tight atleast some Tudca.

I'm sponsored I don't pay for anything in regards to bodybuilding .

 

[JackD42]

I don't think he's running any orals right now. But @stevesmi always preaches injectibles will hit the liver too.

Yea tudca I mentioned as a bare minimum. If you can only go for 1 based on cost that's the one. N2guard is a lot in Canada. I dropped $330 for my 3 bottles.

Ideally Tudca, NAC, Milk Thistle...what's the other 1 or 2? @LevButlerov

I was on liver HD

 

[JackD42]

I think he needs to get off all mind altering drugs and use kratom instead.

You can keep your kratom... And I don't drink or use drugs but thanks for your input. Maybe you should get off the kratom might be a better idea.

 

[BeMe]

I was on liver HD

What was your dosing were you using on the liver hd?

I just looked it up. Here's a pic of the info below. Maybe you can up the dose a bit? You're off orals now so your alt should start dropping bro.

I'm curious what @LevButlerov thinks about the dosing if this supp.

N2guard is much better than liverhd so you you can get some @JackD42 that would help.

 

[JackD42]

I think you're panicked too fast, I dont think your bloods are bad at all, what exactly you worried about? @JackD42[/USEi w
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You see what I mean @BeMe? @JackD42 read a bit on ai and not panicked maybe nothing even wrong with him.

I am not panicking , I'm testing different compounds and utilizi

What was your dosing were you using on the liver hd?

I just looked it up. Here's a pic of the info below. Maybe you can up the dose a bit? You're off orals now so your alt should start dropping bro.

I'm curious what @LevButlerov thinks about the dosing if this supp.

N2guard is much better than liverhd so you you can get some @JackD42 that would help.

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It honestly helped on my last big cycle, no stomach upset or nausea.

 

[JackD42]

I don't think he's running any orals right now. But @stevesmi always preaches injectibles will hit the liver too.

Yea tudca I mentioned as a bare minimum. If you can only go for 1 based on cost that's the one. N2guard is a lot in Canada. I dropped $330 for my 3 bottles.

Ideally Tudca, NAC, Milk Thistle...what's the other 1 or 2? @LevButlerov

No I was taking , anavar, arimidex, nolvadex, t3 and clenbuterol orals , but not right now, I'm kind of experimenting with different compounds and my blood work to see what effects me , to be honest using 175 mgs of test cream, per week, 1 CC of test propionate vet grade evod and Tren ace 100 mg evod, should have my testosterone cranked much higher , no? I don't want to call out any products just yet but should my test not be much higher on:

- 1 CC of test E per week
-100 ml of vet grade tes prop evod
-proviron 20-40 mg per day
-175 mgs of test cream per week
-100 mp of Tren ace evod
-T3 cytomel , 25 mgs per day
-GH - 4-8 IU ed

Correct me if I'm wrong but being only in the upper end of trt range ? Does something not seem seriously off here ?

 

[RoidRage69]

You can keep your kratom... And I don't drink or use drugs but thanks for your input. Maybe you should get off the kratom might be a better idea.

You claim to use shrooms.

 

[JackD42]

You claim to use sof a gram every 48 hours

You claim to use shrooms.

No it's a focus mushroom for mental clarity and wellness, not the ones to get you high. The last time I got high on mushrooms was probably 26 years ago. These work good for focus on a heavy lift.

https://pur-pharma.is/shop/health-and-wellness/

 

[toddthelineman]

Blood work may be looking a lot better then I thought .

Yes I’m surprised by you alarm at the alt results. Your bloodwork looks better than many of mine, even when I was on trt I often had alt nearly that high and elevated ast as well. Not that I was happy about it! I threw the whole kitchen sink at it and it never did budge until I took N2Guard.

 

[BeMe]

No I was taking , anavar, arimidex, nolvadex, t3 and clenbuterol orals , but not right now, I'm kind of experimenting with different compounds and my blood work to see what effects me , to be honest using 175 mgs of test cream, per week, 1 CC of test propionate vet grade evod and Tren ace 100 mg evod, should have my testosterone cranked much higher , no? I don't want to call out any products just yet but should my test not be much higher on:

- 1 CC of test E per week
-100 ml of vet grade tes prop evod
-proviron 20-40 mg per day
-175 mgs of test cream per week
-100 mp of Tren ace evod
-T3 cytomel , 25 mgs per day
-GH - 4-8 IU ed

Correct me if I'm wrong but being only in the upper end of trt range ? Does something not seem seriously off here ?

It's tough when you speak in volumes bro (ml).

Or what's the concentratiin of your prop and enanthate? (mg per ml)

Then when you say have your test cranked higher, higher than what? Just higher than what it was on your last blood test? I don't think you posted your test levels. What was your free test reading?

It would be good if you post your full bloodwork and maybe pics of your gear and we can help figure it out together for ya?

 

[BeMe]

You claim to use shrooms.

No it's a focus mushroom for mental clarity and wellness, not the ones to get you high. The last time I got high on mushrooms was probably 26 years ago. These work good for focus on a heavy lift.

https://pur-pharma.is/shop/health-and-wellness/

Very different from shrooms @RoidRage69 bro.

There are lots of different mushrooms out there that are incredible for brain health. Even actually shrooms at a very small dose are really good for you. All the tech guys are micro dosing shrooms these days to get an edge in their field of work.

Even the occassional shroom trip can be really good for you mentally.

Don't be so straight edge bro lol. Not all "drugs" are bad. I'd argue shrooms are a lot healthier than peds if you think about it.

 

[JackD42]

Yes I’m surprised by you alarm at the alt results. Your bloodwork looks better than many of mine, even when I was on trt I often had alt nearly that high and elevated ast as well. Not that I was happy about it! I threw the whole kitchen sink at it and it never did budge until I took N2Guard.

Just being safe no alarm really

 

[JackD42]

Very different from shrooms @RoidRage69 bro.

There are lots of different mushrooms out there that are incredible for brain health. Even actually shrooms at a very small dose are really good for you. All the tech guys are micro dosing shrooms these days to get an edge in their field of work.

Even the occassional shroom trip can be really good for you mentally.

Don't be so straight edge bro lol. Not all "drugs" are bad. I'd argue shrooms are a lot healthier than peds if you think about it.

Thank you.

 

[RoidRage69]

No it's a focus mushroom for mental clarity and wellness, not the ones to get you high. The last time I got high on mushrooms was probably 26 years ago. These work good for focus on a heavy lift.

https://pur-pharma.is/shop/health-and-wellness/

Can u legally buy that in the USA? I always wondered about using small doses to see how it works.

 

[toddthelineman]

You can keep your kratom... And I don't drink or use drugs but thanks for your input. Maybe you should get off the kratom might be a better idea.

I can’t help but throw in on this. I just quit kratom after several years of daily use with only two breaks of about a month each. If you’re in pain that you can’t tolerate it’s really hard to beat. And there’s a MASSIVE campaign to make it illegal that is founded on half truths at best. Kratom is actually a very potent ANTIPSYCHOTIC. You can take a strong dose of LSD while using kratom and be able to hold a complex conversation. I’ve done it. It’s absolutely wild.

I took it 4-5 times a day, usually 10-15 grams but at times as high as 30+ grams a day. Stopped cold turkey about two weeks ago because I had elevated potassium and an irregular heart rhythm. There’s exactly one case study of that happening to an elderly gentleman who used kratom for arthritis. Definitely it was not cool, but it was most certainly the result of a complex combination of things possibly including my use of Telmisartan which also can contribute to hyperkalemia.

I thought that I would suffer from withdrawals. But I definitely did not. Not even a little. I’m literally fine. I don’t feel better, don’t feel worse. I can feel the degenerative disc disease more now, but it’s ok. I did hurt me back last week and I probably wouldn’t have even felt it if I still ate kratom. I keep finding my stashes of it around the house and just keep throwing it away. Not even tempted.

I highly suspect that people who suffer from kratom withdrawal are using adulterated products or extremely potent extracts.

I’m not saying you should do it. I just want people to know the truth.

 

[toddthelineman]

micro dosing shrooms these days to get an edge in their field of work.

I used to do it. I’m pretty against it anymore. I mean, I’m 100% for people doing wtf they want. But when I hear these people going on about their microdosing protocols I personally think they’re being silly. Once in a blue moon is best, and a heroic dose CAN bring you out of deep depression but I’ve seen this stuff go wrong

 

[JackD42]

It's tough when you speak in volumes bro (ml).

Or what's the concentratiin of your prop and enanthate? (mg per ml)

Then when you say have your test cranked higher, higher than what? Just higher than what it was on your last blood test? I don't think you posted your test levels. What was your free test reading?

It would be good if you post your full bloodwork and maybe pics of your gear and we can help figure it out together for ya?

Prop -100

Can u legally buy that in the USA? I always wondered about using small doses to see how it works.

Yes probably but as you know I'm in Canada

 

[BeMe]

Can u legally buy that in the USA? I always wondered about using small doses to see how it works.

I'd imagine it depends on the state. I know California is the microdosing capital of the world though lol.

In Canada it's a grey market but it's on a path to legalization. Its not illegal to possess shrooms in Canada but selling can be.

There are plenty of mushroom blends you can take for brain health that are totally legal. They're known for repairing or restoring pathways in the brain that have been lost due to aging or damage.

Supplements containing lion's mane, reishi, and cordyceps mushrooms would be what you're looking for if psilocybin mushrooms are illegal where you live @RoidRage69

After I run Tren I plan on doing some mushrooms supplements as part of a PCT because of the brain damage Tren can cause.

 

[BeMe]

I used to do it. I’m pretty against it anymore. I mean, I’m 100% for people doing wtf they want. But when I hear these people going on about their microdosing protocols I personally think they’re being silly. Once in a blue moon is best, and a heroic dose CAN bring you out of deep depression but I’ve seen this stuff go wrong

I think both are really good tools for brain and mental health. Lots of studies to back up those claims.

Mushrooms are pretty incredible things. Almost alien in the sense. Nothing like them on our planet

 

[toddthelineman]

because of the brain damage Tren can cause.

You should get cerebrolysin or cortexin. I’ve eaten maybe a pound of shrooms lol. The comparison is night and day, I promise you

 

[BeMe]

You should get cerebrolysin or cortexin. I’ve eaten maybe a pound of shrooms lol. The comparison is night and day, I promise you

Ya I used to eat a ton of shrooms in my teenage years. Shrooms we so cheap and plentiful here during the summers back then. We'd get all kinds of cool types from all over the country. I had some zebra stripe ones from the east coast once. They weren't that strong but they look cool as shit.

We used to eat them so much that by the end of the summer we were munching quarters just to get a good trip lol. A hero dose in the early summer was a regular dose by the end haha

 

[JackD42]

Yes looks like test is definitely good to go my testosterone is 3x up from my last test after dropping everything for 5 weeks. And when I dropped all gear last year for 5 weeks my blood work went right back to within range on every test.

 

[BeMe]

Yes looks like test is definitely good to go my testosterone is 3x up from my last test after dropping everything for 5 weeks. And when I dropped all gear last year for 5 weeks my blood work went right back to within range on every test.

The bit you posted wasn't even really that bad bro. Nothing the occasional health phase can't solve.

Feeling ready to turn the dial back up?

 

[HarleyGuy]

I can’t help but throw in on this. I just quit kratom after several years of daily use with only two breaks of about a month each. If you’re in pain that you can’t tolerate it’s really hard to beat. And there’s a MASSIVE campaign to make it illegal that is founded on half truths at best. Kratom is actually a very potent ANTIPSYCHOTIC. You can take a strong dose of LSD while using kratom and be able to hold a complex conversation. I’ve done it. It’s absolutely wild.

I took it 4-5 times a day, usually 10-15 grams but at times as high as 30+ grams a day. Stopped cold turkey about two weeks ago because I had elevated potassium and an irregular heart rhythm. There’s exactly one case study of that happening to an elderly gentleman who used kratom for arthritis. Definitely it was not cool, but it was most certainly the result of a complex combination of things possibly including my use of Telmisartan which also can contribute to hyperkalemia.

I thought that I would suffer from withdrawals. But I definitely did not. Not even a little. I’m literally fine. I don’t feel better, don’t feel worse. I can feel the degenerative disc disease more now, but it’s ok. I did hurt me back last week and I probably wouldn’t have even felt it if I still ate kratom. I keep finding my stashes of it around the house and just keep throwing it away. Not even tempted.

I highly suspect that people who suffer from kratom withdrawal are using adulterated products or extremely potent extracts.

I’m not saying you should do it. I just want people to know the truth.

I like this post. The truth is what should be presented and then people can make their own minds up. That's what EVO is all about!

 

[HarleyGuy]

because of the brain damage Tren can cause.

With the operator syndrome and the meds I'm on I honestly don't think I'd notice any more TBI issues from tren but now I'm worried a bit. I'm not allowed to get any more fucked up. Now I'm rabbit hole'ing tren brain damage tonight.

I’ve eaten maybe a pound of shrooms

This log is getting fucking funny!

 

[LevButlerov]

I am not panicking , I'm testing different compounds and utilizi

You say that but dropping all compounds after a blood test that wasnt bad is likely a bad idea, you need to pyramid down.

 

[BeMe]

You say that but dropping all compounds after a blood test that wasnt bad is likely a bad idea, you need to pyramid down.

Did you hear the podcasts a couple weeks back about pyramiding and tapering. The guys are very much against it, except with short acting esters.

I wish you'd go on and debate a few of these subjects @LevButlerov

I've noticed there are a couple different camps on a few things in my time here and listening to a debate on the subjects would be amazing! I love debates

 

[LevButlerov]

Did you hear the podcasts a couple weeks back about pyramiding and tapering. The guys are very much against it, except with short acting esters.

I wish you'd go on and debate a few of these subjects @LevButlerov

I've noticed there are a couple different camps on a few things in my time here and listening to a debate on the subjects would be amazing! I love debates

I love and respect @stevesmi and @Mobster, but their views a bit outdated. @BeMe especially for longer esters.
Pyramiding and tapering have value with long esters when done right because they let your body adjust gradually to both the increase and decrease in androgens. Starting lower dose and building up allows you to find the minimum effective dose that triggers growth before saturation, keeping e2 and bp in check.
Tapering down lets your body reestablish its own hormonal balance instead of crashing suddenly from a full stop, this is a real thing, crashing happens a ton.
imo, pyramiding is especially useful with longer esters like deca since their clearance time is slow, so gradual changes avoid extreme hormone fluctuations.
Short esters can drop fast, which is why pyramids or tapers there are less needed. This is what I believe Steve and Mobster talk about, short esters, they are not making it clear though.

 

[BeMe]

I love and respect @stevesmi and @Mobster, but their views a bit outdated. @BeMe especially for longer esters.
Pyramiding and tapering have value with long esters when done right because they let your body adjust gradually to both the increase and decrease in androgens. Starting lower dose and building up allows you to find the minimum effective dose that triggers growth before saturation, keeping e2 and bp in check.
Tapering down lets your body reestablish its own hormonal balance instead of crashing suddenly from a full stop, this is a real thing, crashing happens a ton.
imo, pyramiding is especially useful with longer esters like deca since their clearance time is slow, so gradual changes avoid extreme hormone fluctuations.
Short esters can drop fast, which is why pyramids or tapers there are less needed. This is what I believe Steve and Mobster talk about, short esters, they are not making it clear though.

I don't think @stevesmi and @Mobster like tapering in any scenario if I remember right. I could be wrong, not positive.

I know they said pyramiding up is good for short esters cuz you can adjust if needed as you go up.

With long esters leaving the system wouldn't they slowly fall of anyway?

I think their logic is by tapering you're just extending your time on cycle needlessly.

This would be wayyyyy better on a podcast episode with you guys discussing it. You're all friendly so it would be a really cool back and forth friendly debate. Maybe in the end one side would even change their opinion which is the coolest thing about debates @LevButlerov

 

[LevButlerov]

I don't think @stevesmi and @Mobster like tapering in any scenario if I remember right. I could be wrong, not positive.

I know they said pyramiding up is good for short esters cuz you can adjust if needed as you go up.

With long esters leaving the system wouldn't they slowly fall of anyway?

I think their logic is by tapering you're just extending your time on cycle needlessly.

This would be wayyyyy better on a podcast episode with you guys discussing it. You're all friendly so it would be a really cool back and forth friendly debate. Maybe in the end one side would even change their opinion which is the coolest thing about debates @LevButlerov

They are not wrong about long ester half lives, @BeMe but tapering does not extend your time on because blood levels fall in a long tail anyway, so a brief taper can smooth the drop in androgens with long esters like test enanthate at roughly a week and nandrolone decanoate around 7 to 12 days, it's like a smooth ride down instead of a rollercoaster, you follow?
On TRT this is usually the best path to avoid abrupt changes, and if you plan PCT a short taper can blunt hormonal shock and lets you time clomiphene w/ HCG or without, adding a test booster, to restore the HPG axis faster.
Again, this is not scientific by any means, so if we are having a science debate I would lose lol
but steroids are not just science, there is "FEEL" to it. It's like no one tells you NPP will mess up your mental state but deca wont and that's only 70/30 at best. That's all experience.
and overall our management is against debates or arguments on the podcast, has to be very positive, thats why bodymoster episode was pulled he was debating nonsense and in future we'll do a community thread about this.

 

[JackD42]

The bit you posted wasn't even really that bad bro. Nothing the occasional health phase can't solve.

Feeling ready to turn the dial back up?

Yes I am my gym and natty supps sponsor is being a total douche bag though, he won't answer any of my texts or calls, he did this to me last year too made a bunch of promises he didn't keep , he's a fucking asshole to be honest.

 

[JackD42]

I don't think @stevesmi and @Mobster like tapering in any scenario if I remember right. I could be wrong, not positive.

I know they said pyramiding up is good for short esters cuz you can adjust if needed as you go up.

With long esters leaving the system wouldn't they slowly fall of anyway?

I think their logic is by tapering you're just extending your time on cycle needlessly.

This would be wayyyyy better on a podcast episode with you guys discussing it. You're all friendly so it would be a really cool back and forth friendly debate. Maybe in the end one side would even change their opinion which is the coolest thing about debates @LevButlerov

I'd love to do a podcast and share my 22 years of competitive bodybuilding in Canada.

 

[JackD42]

Did you hear the podcasts a couple weeks back about pyramiding and tapering. The guys are very much against it, except with short acting esters.

I wish you'd go on and debate a few of these subjects @LevButlerov

I've noticed there are a couple different camps on a few things in my time here and listening to a debate on the subjects would be amazing! I love debates

I'm in.

 

[JackD42]

You say that but dropping all compounds after a blood test that wasnt bad is likely a bad idea, you need to pyramid down.

Did I tell you I only did three shots of Tren , 3 shots of masteron , don't need to taper off that . I was just starting a short blast cycle. I'm just being safe and smart.

 

[JackD42]

I like this post. The truth is what should be presented and then people can make their own minds up. That's what EVO is all about!

Thanks bud but I have been watching my brother fade away over the last three years with three stints in rehab on just kratom alone , he can't get off of it he's so hooked and it is causing him major life issues at home and work. I'll pass on that garbage green puke looking slop.

 

[JackD42]

Ya I used to eat a ton of shrooms in my teenage years. Shrooms we so cheap and plentiful here during the summers back then. We'd get all kinds of cool types from all over the country. I had some zebra stripe ones from the east coast once. They weren't that strong but they look cool as shit.

We used to eat them so much that by the end of the summer we were munching quarters just to get a good trip lol. A hero dose in the early summer was a regular dose by the end haha

1 gram sends me to the moon and the walls start melting, when I did it in my younger years .

 

[JackD42]

I used to do it. I’m pretty against it anymore. I mean, I’m 100% for people doing wtf they want. But when I hear these people going on about their microdosing protocols I personally think they’re being silly. Once in a blue moon is best, and a heroic dose CAN bring you out of deep depression but I’ve seen this stuff go wrong

are you talking about me being silly cause I'm trying out a microdose of a product my gear sponsor sent me to try out?

 

[JackD42]

I used to do it. I’m pretty against it anymore. I mean, I’m 100% for people doing wtf they want. But when I hear these people going on about their microdosing protocols I personally think they’re being silly. Once in a blue moon is best, and a heroic dose CAN bring you out of deep depression but I’ve seen this stuff go wrong

are you talking about me being silly cause I'm trying out a microdose of a product my gear sponsor sent me to try out

The bit you posted wasn't even really that bad bro. Nothing the occasional health phase can't solve.

Feeling ready to turn the dial back up?

Ok good that's the answer I was originally looking for . Just starting to be proactive again about blood work you guys used to be so big on blood work and still are. I'm assuming I just haven't heard much about it in a while and felt the subject was losing traction so here I am ready to debate blood work not being done efficiently and regularly if your not then your not doing it right . Right ? Lol

 

[toddthelineman]

are you talking about me being silly cause I'm trying out a microdose of a product my gear sponsor sent me to try out

Not at all bro! I actually tried my hand at growing lions mane. Forgive me, I didn’t mean to imply that at all. I was referring to psychedelic mushrooms, and the trend of taking them very regularly. But I used to do it myself and that’s why I don’t think it’s a good idea even though it seemed like it at the time. Sorry, I got way off topic on your thread.

I’m glad your bloodwork is all better!

 

[LevButlerov]

Did I tell you I only did three shots of Tren , 3 shots of masteron , don't need to taper off that . I was just starting a short blast cycle. I'm just being safe and smart.

That's fine, hopefully you get better results soon. I suggest cycle support supps asap @JackD42

 

[JackD42]

Not at all bro! I actually tried my hand at growing lions mane. Forgive me, I didn’t mean to imply that at all. I was referring to psychedelic mushrooms, and the trend of taking them very regularly. But I used to do it myself and that’s why I don’t think it’s a good idea even though it seemed like it at the time. Sorry, I got way off topic on your thread.

I’m glad your bloodwork is all better!

Not a problem brother just trying to understand everyone's replies.

 

[BeMe]

They are not wrong about long ester half lives, @BeMe but tapering does not extend your time on because blood levels fall in a long tail anyway, so a brief taper can smooth the drop in androgens with long esters like test enanthate at roughly a week and nandrolone decanoate around 7 to 12 days, it's like a smooth ride down instead of a rollercoaster, you follow?
On TRT this is usually the best path to avoid abrupt changes, and if you plan PCT a short taper can blunt hormonal shock and lets you time clomiphene w/ HCG or without, adding a test booster, to restore the HPG axis faster.
Again, this is not scientific by any means, so if we are having a science debate I would lose lol
but steroids are not just science, there is "FEEL" to it. It's like no one tells you NPP will mess up your mental state but deca wont and that's only 70/30 at best. That's all experience.
and overall our management is against debates or arguments on the podcast, has to be very positive, thats why bodymoster episode was pulled he was debating nonsense and in future we'll do a community thread about this.

Bodymonster isn't capable of debate lol.

See that's the problem with society today, equating debates to arguments. Debates are supposed to be friendly exchanges of ideas where each side presents their point to the fullest and maybe both sides come to an understanding. Modern politics has ruined the idea debates.

Listening to a debate on a subject is by far the best way to learn about it. You get the full picture vs one person's opinion. Usually the back and forth helps people remember the facts better too.

What you're saying makes total sense. There's a million things that don't make sense scientifically when it comes to the body. We're far from having a complete scientific understanding of how our bodies work. But if you don't go on the podcast to debate the subject than people are only going to know one side of the story lol.

The problem we have here is both sides make a lot of sense so it's difficult to know which route to take. I followed your advice last cycle and tapered @LevButlerov

Maybe next time I'll try and just stop and see how that goes for me. It seems like an individual approach is what's best from the sounds of it

 

[BeMe]

I'd love to do a podcast and share my 22 years of competitive bodybuilding in Canada.

I was recently on and we spoke about you a bunch actually. I'll shoot you the link when the episode comes out.

 

[BeMe]

are you talking about me being silly cause I'm trying out a microdose of a product my gear sponsor sent me to try out

Ok good that's the answer I was originally looking for . Just starting to be proactive again about blood work you guys used to be so big on blood work and still are. I'm assuming I just haven't heard much about it in a while and felt the subject was losing traction so here I am ready to debate blood work not being done efficiently and regularly if your not then your not doing it right . Right ? Lol

Regular bloodwork is a MUST bro. Especially with someone in your situation where you're looking for max gains and really pushing the envelope.

 

[JackD42]

At gym doing chest will post an update post workout . Peace Evo fam.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I'm assuming I just haven't heard much about it in a while and felt the subject was losing traction so here I am ready to debate blood work not being done efficiently and regularly if your not then your not doing it right . Right ?

100% correct. I'm helping a guy right now and 2 texts ago he had a hot lump in his ass that wouldn't go away and I helped him through it and then he wanted to freeze his peptides. He's been running gear for 3 years and won't get bloodwork because he doesn't want his doc or his girlfriend to know... *eye roll*. All I can do is just show him how to do it privately I even sent him the thread I made on how to get it done privately but he won't. Oh well, it's his plaque buildup and liver to ruin I suppose, not mine.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I actually tried my hand at growing lions mane

Debates are supposed to be friendly exchanges of ideas where each side presents their point to the fullest and maybe both sides come to an understanding.

Speaking of debates... I'd debate that staying as far away from lions mane isn't far enough away from it.

 

[toddthelineman]

Speaking of debates... I'd debate that staying as far away from lions mane isn't far enough away from it.

Heard that too. My spores never took. I just don’t even need with any of them anymore

 

[LevButlerov]

Bodymonster isn't capable of debate lol.

See that's the problem with society today, equating debates to arguments. Debates are supposed to be friendly exchanges of ideas where each side presents their point to the fullest and maybe both sides come to an understanding. Modern politics has ruined the idea debates.

Listening to a debate on a subject is by far the best way to learn about it. You get the full picture vs one person's opinion. Usually the back and forth helps people remember the facts better too.

What you're saying makes total sense. There's a million things that don't make sense scientifically when it comes to the body. We're far from having a complete scientific understanding of how our bodies work. But if you don't go on the podcast to debate the subject than people are only going to know one side of the story lol.

The problem we have here is both sides make a lot of sense so it's difficult to know which route to take. I followed your advice last cycle and tapered @LevButlerov

Maybe next time I'll try and just stop and see how that goes for me. It seems like an individual approach is what's best from the sounds of it

You make valid points here, and I think modern politics did ruin the idea of debates 100% @BeMe
lets start a new thread for this so we don't hijack @JackD42 thread too much
but I think there is discussion to be had on long vs short esters and pyramiding and body adaptation

 

[BeMe]

At gym doing chest will post an update post workout . Peace Evo fam.

How the workout feel bro?

Is your back feeling better?

 

[JackD42]

How the workout feel bro?

Is your back feeling better?

Yes back is doing better , thanks for asking . Had a great chest workout; bench press, incline dumbbell presses, flyes, incline flyes, incline machine presses, PEC deck, and finished up with cable crossovers.
29 sets total, 6-15 reps
30 min post cardio elliptical , treadmill and bike

 

[JackD42]

100% correct. I'm helping a guy right now and 2 texts ago he had a hot lump in his ass that wouldn't go away and I helped him through it and then he wanted to freeze his peptides. He's been running gear for 3 years and won't get bloodwork because he doesn't want his doc or his girlfriend to know... *eye roll*. All I can do is just show him how to do it privately I even sent him the thread I made on how to get it done privately but he won't. Oh well, it's his plaque buildup and liver to ruin I suppose, not mine.

I've got a small bump in my right glute , scar tissue that built up over time. I had to open up more sites so I started pinning lats, quads , ventro glute and rear delt to be able to rotate sites every 8-10 days minimum

 

[HarleyGuy]

I've got a small bump in my right glute , scar tissue that built up over time. I had to open up more sites so I started pinning lats, quads , ventro glute and rear delt to be able to rotate sites every 8-10 days minimum

Smart move. Not enough guys use their lats and yet it’s a sponge that can handle well over 3CC as well. Not enough guys rotate the three delt heads either for 1CC each. Some basically have a leather ass that looks like a catchers mitt and they wonder why lol

 

[JackD42]

Smart move. Not enough guys use their lats and yet it’s a sponge that can handle well over 3CC as well. Not enough guys rotate the three delt heads either for 1CC each. Some basically have a leather ass that looks like a catchers mitt and they wonder why lol

Ya for sure , I was definitely going in that direction I took like 7 months off from pinning those areas and with Wolverine stack and bpc-157 I was able to really heal up a lot of areas . I also used a technique known as scraping with a butter knife, really helped too.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I also used a technique known as scraping with a butter knife, really helped too.

Interesting... this is the first I've heard of this. Do tell....

 

[JackD42]

Interesting... this is the first I've heard of this. Do tell....

I learned it from a massage therapist that does therapy in the back of our gym, but there is you tube videos on the technique too I'll get you the link one sec bro

 

[JackD42]

I learned it from a massage therapist that does therapy in the back of our gym, but there is you tube videos on the technique too I'll get you the link one sec bro

Just look up scraping technique for scar tissue on you tube .

 

[JackD42]

Got my blood work explained to me today , and EKG; He said blood work is great and the increase on liver was fine, he said EKG shows that heart is in good health, had a lower beat, but I always have, and he said that's from being an athlete . Just wanted to let Evo fam how my physical went.

 

[JackD42]

Anyone have issues with constipation and how he poops when you consume a shit ton of calories and protein? I've got some laxative to try anyone else experience this?

 

[BeMe]

Yes back is doing better , thanks for asking . Had a great chest workout; bench press, incline dumbbell presses, flyes, incline flyes, incline machine presses, PEC deck, and finished up with cable crossovers.
29 sets total, 6-15 reps
30 min post cardio elliptical , treadmill and bike

Still riding the bike to the gym I see. Nice. Enjoy it while it lasts bro. It was cold this morning.

That's some seriously heavy chest volume. You train like a pro.

Glad the back is feeling better. That's a good sign. Sounds like it was a tweak more than a long term problem. Nothing holding you back now.

 

[BeMe]

Anyone have issues with constipation and how he poops when you consume a shit ton of calories and protein? I've got some laxative to try anyone else experience this?

What's your dietary fiber intake like?

Are you taking psyllium husk?

 

[BeMe]

Hey bro I know you're not good with the notifications here and stuff lol. Here's the link to my podcast episode I was telling you about where we talked about you a bunch. Hope you like it.

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[LevButlerov]

Anyone have issues with constipation and how he poops when you consume a shit ton of calories and protein? I've got some laxative to try anyone else experience this?

probiotics digestive enzymes and psyllium husk add that daily and you wont have digestive issues @JackD42

What's your dietary fiber intake like?

Are you taking psyllium husk?

exactly

 

[JackD42]

What's your dietary fiber intake like?

Are you taking psyllium husk?

No husk no. And I probably could improve on my fiber intake tbh..

 

[JackD42]

Still riding the bike to the gym I see. Nice. Enjoy it while it lasts bro. It was cold this morning.

That's some seriously heavy chest volume. You train like a pro.

Glad the back is feeling better. That's a good sign. Sounds like it was a tweak more than a long term problem. Nothing holding you back now.

Yes I actually ride my bike rather then drive if st to get that warmup and cooldown and it also adds 10 minutes to my cardio each time.

 

[JackD42]

Still riding the bike to the gym I see. Nice. Enjoy it while it lasts bro. It was cold this morning.

That's some seriously heavy chest volume. You train like a pro.

Glad the back is feeling better. That's a good sign. Sounds like it was a tweak more than a long term problem. Nothing holding you back now.

I rode my bike everyday last winter to gym, and it brings me memories of when Dorian Yates would truck threw snow to get there , or when levrone does his suffering stints to get them more disciplined for there bodybuilding lifestyle and make it seem easier, it's funny you mention that I did start to feel a bit cold on the way there, and it brought to mind Dorian and Kevin and how I need to embrace the cold suffering and allow it to make me stronger and more disciplined, but yes I do ride my bike to gym year round. And yes I do alot of volume because if I do just a little bit I don't feel like I've pushed enough . And yes back is definitely better GH and Wolverine stack helped out with that along with rest, stretching, and ice for the first 3 days then hot salt baths until it healed.

 

[JackD42]

Also you guys are 100% right , I have self coached myself with Google and asking actual pros for advice for all ten shows I have done. I tried a coach back in 2005 and couldn't afford to keep going with him at that time

 

[BeMe]

Also you guys are 100% right , I have self coached myself with Google and asking actual pros for advice for all ten shows I have done. I tried a coach back in 2005 and couldn't afford to keep going with him at that time

You listened to the podcast? I believe you can definitely get there on your own but if you had a high level coach helping you theres no doubt in my mind you'd get your card quick. At your level it's the little things that make all the difference like @Mobster said.

Psyllium husk will definitely help with that constipation. 15g per day split into 2 doses. You can buy it in bulk on Amazon.

Digestive enzymes will help a lot too. Someone your size should be using them everyday for the amount of food you need to eat.

 

[LevButlerov]

No husk no. And I probably could improve on my fiber intake tbh..

you can add some psyllium husk ed easy just 1 tbsp with water

 

[JackD42]

You listened to the podcast? I believe you can definitely get there on your own but if you had a high level coach helping you theres no doubt in my mind you'd get your card quick. At your level it's the little things that make all the difference like @Mobster said.

Psyllium husk will definitely help with that constipation. 15g per day split into 2 doses. You can buy it in bulk on Amazon.

Digestive enzymes will help a lot too. Someone your size should be using them everyday for the amount of food you need to eat.

I do use digestive enzymes. But I'll give the husk a shot.

 

[toddthelineman]

I rode my bike everyday last winter to gym, and it brings me memories of when Dorian Yates would truck threw snow to get there , or when levrone does his suffering stints to get them more disciplined for there bodybuilding lifestyle and make it seem easier, it's funny you mention that I did start to feel a bit cold on the way there, and it brought to mind Dorian and Kevin and how I need to embrace the cold suffering and allow it to make me stronger and more disciplined, but yes I do ride my bike to gym year round. And yes I do alot of volume because if I do just a little bit I don't feel like I've pushed enough . And yes back is definitely better GH and Wolverine stack helped out with that along with rest, stretching, and ice for the first 3 days then hot salt baths until it healed.

That’s hardcore man. I live about 300’ from the beginning of a bike path that follows the river to the Y I used to lift at. It’s like a 30 minute ride, scenic, right along the river. I also could kayak or paddle board to the Y, but that would take a while.

 

[JackD42]

That’s hardcore man. I live about 300’ from the beginning of a bike path that follows the river to the Y I used to lift at. It’s like a 30 minute ride, scenic, right along the river. I also could kayak or paddle board to the Y, but that would take a while.

Ya man !

 

[toddthelineman]

Ya man !

But I don’t do it in the winter! Hahaha

I’m already outside all day for work hahaha

 

[JackD42]

I've got a small hernia starting above my belly button you can feel a little bump / tear and little bit of pain , anyone know much about this?

 

[LevButlerov]

I do use digestive enzymes. But I'll give the husk a shot.

psyllium husk 1 tbsp but at least 3 cups of water with it @JackD42

 

[JackD42]

But I don’t do it in the winter! Hahaha

I’m already outside all day for work hahaha

Well that's hardcore , I've worked outside before it can be brutal, -40 in Calgary.

 

[JackD42]

I'd like to proudly and gratefully announce my main sponsorship has been approved from Pur-Pharma-Canada for The Toronto Pro Supershow 2026, June. They are gonna bring me in looking my best yet. Looking forward to working with this awesome company for another year.
Check out their site for top notch pharma grade gear ;

 

[LevButlerov]

I'd like to proudly and gratefully announce my main sponsorship has been approved from Pur-Pharma-Canada for The Toronto Pro Supershow 2026, June. They are gonna bring me in looking my best yet. Looking forward to working with this awesome company for another year.
Check out their site for top notch pharma grade gear ;

congratulations @JackD42 but I told you and mods told you multiple times, if you want to promote another pur they need to be in the EVO family first. You can mention then no issues but you can't like to their website.

 

[JackD42]

Official sponsorship main sponsors pur-pharma please tell them I sent you if you heard about them threw me. Its going to be an exciting 8 months all my health markers checked out above average I can't say enough good about pur Pharma gear even if I wasn't sponsored there gear is nice and smooth just like Pharma grade should be .I have been using there test cream lately it's been awesome. Just rub it on the shoulders when you wake up and it gives you 175 mg of test per week , I think it works out to 25 mg per day . I scored 26.2 on a scale of 8-28 on my base test blood marker using just the cream now I'm blasting again starting today;

Test E - 600 mg per week
Tren E - 500 per week
EQ - 500 per week
Proviron - 40-60 mg per day
Nolvadex - 20 mg per day
Anavar - 40 mg per day
Superman's - half tab daily for pre workout and blood flow
Mycomind - Elevate + Vitality - 1 gel cap evod

On break from GH temporarily after blasting it for 8 months straight everyday.

Trained abs and cardio today and working on a sponsored membership at our new local gym hoping that goes well I'm sponsored by one gym and supplement store already but need to check out this new gym in town it has a posing room, tanning bed, sauna and ice beds, massage chairs, supplements and all brand new equipment.

 

[LevButlerov]

Official sponsorship main sponsors pur-pharma please tell them I sent you if you heard about them threw me. Its going to be an exciting 8 months all my health markers checked out above average I can't say enough good about pur Pharma gear even if I wasn't sponsored there gear is nice and smooth just like Pharma grade should be .I have been using there test cream lately it's been awesome. Just rub it on the shoulders when you wake up and it gives you 175 mg of test per week , I think it works out to 25 mg per day . I scored 26.2 on a scale of 8-28 on my base test blood marker using just the cream now I'm blasting again starting today;

Test E - 600 mg per week
Tren E - 500 per week
EQ - 500 per week
Proviron - 40-60 mg per day
Nolvadex - 20 mg per day
Anavar - 40 mg per day
Superman's - half tab daily for pre workout and blood flow
Mycomind - Elevate + Vitality - 1 gel cap evod

On break from GH temporarily after blasting it for 8 months straight everyday.

Trained abs and cardio today and working on a sponsored membership at our new local gym hoping that goes well I'm sponsored by one gym and supplement store already but need to check out this new gym in town it has a posing room, tanning bed, sauna and ice beds, massage chairs, supplements and all brand new equipment.

Abs look good in that pic, definition clear even off GH. Strong base to start the new blast. @JackD42

Cycle layout solid! but why the tamoxifen? I dont see gyno there.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz

 

[BeMe]

Official sponsorship main sponsors pur-pharma please tell them I sent you if you heard about them threw me. Its going to be an exciting 8 months all my health markers checked out above average I can't say enough good about pur Pharma gear even if I wasn't sponsored there gear is nice and smooth just like Pharma grade should be .I have been using there test cream lately it's been awesome. Just rub it on the shoulders when you wake up and it gives you 175 mg of test per week , I think it works out to 25 mg per day . I scored 26.2 on a scale of 8-28 on my base test blood marker using just the cream now I'm blasting again starting today;

Test E - 600 mg per week
Tren E - 500 per week
EQ - 500 per week
Proviron - 40-60 mg per day
Nolvadex - 20 mg per day
Anavar - 40 mg per day
Superman's - half tab daily for pre workout and blood flow
Mycomind - Elevate + Vitality - 1 gel cap evod

On break from GH temporarily after blasting it for 8 months straight everyday.

Trained abs and cardio today and working on a sponsored membership at our new local gym hoping that goes well I'm sponsored by one gym and supplement store already but need to check out this new gym in town it has a posing room, tanning bed, sauna and ice beds, massage chairs, supplements and all brand new equipment.

You're back bro! That was really quick. You're leaning out really nicely. Great work!

 

[Pigsy]

Good shape, lean look

 

[Allupfromhere]

Official sponsorship main sponsors pur-pharma please tell them I sent you if you heard about them threw me. Its going to be an exciting 8 months all my health markers checked out above average I can't say enough good about pur Pharma gear even if I wasn't sponsored there gear is nice and smooth just like Pharma grade should be .I have been using there test cream lately it's been awesome. Just rub it on the shoulders when you wake up and it gives you 175 mg of test per week , I think it works out to 25 mg per day . I scored 26.2 on a scale of 8-28 on my base test blood marker using just the cream now I'm blasting again starting today;

Test E - 600 mg per week
Tren E - 500 per week
EQ - 500 per week
Proviron - 40-60 mg per day
Nolvadex - 20 mg per day
Anavar - 40 mg per day
Superman's - half tab daily for pre workout and blood flow
Mycomind - Elevate + Vitality - 1 gel cap evod

On break from GH temporarily after blasting it for 8 months straight everyday.

Trained abs and cardio today and working on a sponsored membership at our new local gym hoping that goes well I'm sponsored by one gym and supplement store already but need to check out this new gym in town it has a posing room, tanning bed, sauna and ice beds, massage chairs, supplements and all brand new equipment.

Fuck brother looking huge, pro cycle right there. How come your coming off the gh though. I know you have been on it for several months but would you not benifit longer term for hyperplasia?

 

[JackD42]

Fuck brother looking huge, pro cycle right there. How come your coming off the gh though. I know you have been on it for several months but would you not benifit longer term for hyperplasia?

I was on for 8 months 4-10 IU a day, I have 6-7 kits on the way and will hop back on, to am trying a new Italian kind.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I was on for 8 months 4-10 IU a day, I have 6-7 kits on the way and will hop back on, to am trying a new Italian kind.

Belitropina it even sounds italian lol

 

[LevButlerov]

I was on for 8 months 4-10 IU a day, I have 6-7 kits on the way and will hop back on, to am trying a new Italian kind.

That's a good amount of hgh.

 

[BeMe]

I was on for 8 months 4-10 IU a day, I have 6-7 kits on the way and will hop back on, to am trying a new Italian kind.

That shit is the bomb

I got it from you know where and mentioned you know who when I got it LOL

2iu a day and my IGF1 tested over 300 and I'm 40

 

[JackD42]

That shit is the bomb

I got it from you know where and mentioned you know who when I got it LOL

2iu a day and my IGF1 tested over 300 and I'm 40

That's awesome to hear. and thank you so much for throwing a mention my way, much appreciated.

 

[JackD42]

Fuck brother looking huge, pro cycle right there. How come your coming off the gh though. I know you have been on it for several months but would you not benifit longer term for hyperplasia?

How long does it take to develop hyperplasia?

 

[JackD42]

That shit is the bomb

I got it from you know where and mentioned you know who when I got it LOL

2iu a day and my IGF1 tested over 300 and I'm 40

Thank you so much for the support brother the more clients I get for them the better help I get typically.

 

[BeMe]

Thank you so much for the support brother the more clients I get for them the better help I get typically.

I'm with you on that bro.

You're gonna be speaking Italian that stuff is so good lol. Mama mia!

 

[JackD42]

I'm with you on that bro.

You're gonna be speaking Italian that stuff is so good lol. Mama mia!

I honestly thought it looked Pharma grade at first and yes I'm pumped I got some kits coming this week, also more of the Primatropin test cream, Wolverine stack, and I've got dianabol, arimidex and deca coming from my other sponsor.

 

[Mobster]

It already healed my shoulder , thought I'd adhere to the rules . Isn't black face recommended

For many yes. But not everyone does it. The US members and some of the Oz ones can have jobs where openly discussing Pds can cause issues etc