Approved Log My First Peptides Cycle - Tesamorelin Ipamorelin BPC157 Tb500

[pyrexvision]

Whats up lads!! First time Posting a Log.. only found evo few weeks back in search of some quality Aussie peptide suppliers. Community seems amazing and banter is entertaining. keen to share any of my knowledge and receive some from eveyone here!

STATS:
age: 32
ht: 6ft
weight: 85kg
RHR: 50bpm (1yr avg) / 47bpm (4 week avg)
VO2max: 53 (gunning for that superior garmin category eventually haha)
HRV: 50-94 ms
BP: 130-140 / 68-82 (have massive fam Hx of HTN)
fasting glucose: 4.1-4.3mmol
fitness age: 24.5

BACKGROUND:
used to weigh 115kg at my heaviest back in 2010 or so, struggled with weight and binge eating my whole childhood with periods of bulimia, and also chronic soy milk growing up (believe that contributed towards breast fat deposit and hard to decrease central abdominal fat), also not great genetics (have had these tested, and fatty acid oxidation pathways are impaired as well as some other genetic snips related to obesity and poor weight management)

I have never done any classical PEDs / Anabolics, but have done bpc and tb years ago for multiple ankle injuries. over the years i have done my bloods and will be doing them more regularly as well., male hormones wise, in the past i have recorded a total testosterone of 7nmol/L, doctor was like yep thats fine, within range haha. but i just changed my diet and a few things and over time got that back up

Current Male hormones: (20.9.25)
Total Test= 20.5
Free test= 393
SHBG= 40
LH= 2
FSH= 4
Prolactin= 135

will retest in a month or so and see if any changes, as i have added in some supps more recently and sleeping better, etc

TRAINING:
i love my running and trail running so training is more hybrid focused with 3-5 runs per week, and 3-4 gym sessions
Running: 3x zone 2, 1x tempo, 1x vo2max session
Gym: push, pull, legs, upper (sometimes upper session doesnt happen depending on work week and life)

SLEEP:
im a registered nurse and have done alot of night shift in my life, sleep has always been okay for me, but always room for improvement. recently this last year i have been sleeping better as i gave up working on the wards and no more night shift (finally a more consitent sleep schedule), although i am a very light sleeper and light does impact me massively
- 1 yr Avg nightly sleep duration= 7.25hrs (4 week avg= 7.45hrs)
- 1 yr Avg Sleep Time= 12:47am (4 week avg is 12:08am)
- 1 yr Avg nightly sleep score=75 (4 week avg= 80)

GOALS:

• increase absondimal fat loss,
• increase energy,
• drive,
• motivation/zest for life,
• strength and muscle mass, and
• recovery

all the good stuff

SUPPS:
vit d (am)
k2 (am)
mag (pm)
minerals complex (am)
b complex (am)
acetyl-l-carnitine (am)
NAC (am)
masszymes digestive enzymes (1-2 with meals)
WPI
at gym: EAAS, non-stim pump

DIET:
dont track my calories, thinking i will pick this up again as potentially not meeting my protein requirements, especially with work and things impacting some meals and timing
mon - fri = quite strict
sat & sun = enjoy this with my partner and relax a bit more (5/2 kind of minset has really helped me with sticking to mon - fri being strict, works for me)

WORK DAYS:
on waking: protein shake
first meal: canned kippers, 95% dark choc, black coffee
second meal: ~40g protein from kangaroo or venison, big salad (coriander, parsley, rocket, carrot, cucumber, ACV, olive oil)
third meal: (need to add more calories in here.. thinking adding in a smoothie; 30g pro, blueberries, cacao, etc)
GYM: 10-20g EAAS
post gym: 300-400ml coconut water, 30g WPI
dinner: rice/potatoes/pasta, meat protein source, salad or somesort
2 hrs pre bed: yoghurt bowl (20-30g wpi, yoghurt, blueberries, granola, almond butter) - sometimes dont have time to get this in if too close to bed, as finish work late

NON WORK DAYS:
on waking: protein shake
first meal: 4 eggs, avocado, kimchi (maybe sourdough or carbs if depeleted from training or doing a run and gym in same day)
second: smoothie: coconut water, blueberries, cacao, 30g wpi, 2tsp nigella sativa seeds, pomegranate kernels if i have in stock
dinner: rice/potatoes/pasta, meat protein source, salad or somesort
2 hrs pre bed: yoghurt bowl (20-30g wpi, yoghurt, blueberries, granola, almond butter) - sometimes dont have time to get this in if too close to bed, as finish work late

CYCLE:
Tesamorelin:
12 week cycle (injecting 5 on 2 off)
EITHER:
-12 weeks of 0.5mg pre bed
OR:
- 4 weeks (0.5mg pre bed)
- 8 weeks (1mg pre bed)

i know studies areon 2mg daily, and people get good results with 1mg, but have also heard people getting good results with 0.5mg,
as im a slow and steady approach type of person, ive decided to start with the 0.5mg and see how i feel, titrate as needed

Ipamorelin:
12 week cycle (injecting 5 on 2 off)
EITHER:
- 12 weeks of 100mcg BD (am and pre bed)
OR
- 4 weeks 100mcg BD
- 8 weeks 150mcg BD
OR
- 4 weeks 100mcg BD
- 4 weeks 150mcg BD
- 4 weeks 200mcg BD

IPA at 100-300mcg 1-3x per day usually, will adjust how i feel and progress)

ALSO, currently using:
BPC-157 (500mcg s/c daily)
& TB 500 (2.5mg tue/sat)

Have maybe 2 weeks left of bpc/TB, have used for 4 weeks already, got great results at day 3 onwards
all injuries resolved, seller and vial quality is very questionable and wish i had found EVO before getting these.
so placebo or actual peptide i dont know, but ill take the reduced injuries.
** NOTE: found massive improvements in inflammation and injuries as well when i added NAC back into my rotation **

will get some lower body shots and better photos to post up, that was just a quick one right before starting the ipa/tesa

think thats everything for a log?

Appreciate any input regarding these two peptides and/or area of focus, etc

Cheers

 

[pyrexvision]

Update:

started tesa and ipa on Monday evening (24/11)
- 100mcg ipa
- 0.5mg tesa

and have continued with
- 100mcg ipa in am / pre bed
- 0.5mg tesa pre bed

SLEEP:
My sleep the first night was subjectively terrible
i couldnt sleep for an hour, i just lay there awake
the whole night i felt like i was in a half sleep, very much aware that i was "trying to sleep"
i only remember having an intesne dream right before i woke up, so i must have fallen asleep
my garmin actually said i did get to sleep, even though i felt i didnt
sleep score: 77
deep: 1h54m
rem: 58m
total: 6h43m

FEELS:
i felt pretty energised at work that day, nothing too major
gym felt really good, surely not this early but felt stronger and just sturdier, good pumps too
could be sturdier and stronger from bpc and tb and injuries taking a back seat

have read that some people get bad sleep, even though in theory GH circadian pulse between 10-2am should infact give a better sleep
everyones different i suppose
will keep an eye on it for a week and adjust if need

 

[LevButlerov]

Whats up lads!! First time Posting a Log.. only found evo few weeks back in search of some quality Aussie peptide suppliers. Community seems amazing and banter is entertaining. keen to share any of my knowledge and receive some from eveyone here!

STATS:
age: 32
ht: 6ft
weight: 85kg
RHR: 50bpm (1yr avg) / 47bpm (4 week avg)
VO2max: 53 (gunning for that superior garmin category eventually haha)
HRV: 50-94 ms
BP: 130-140 / 68-82 (have massive fam Hx of HTN)
fasting glucose: 4.1-4.3mmol
fitness age: 24.5

BACKGROUND:
used to weigh 115kg at my heaviest back in 2010 or so, struggled with weight and binge eating my whole childhood with periods of bulimia, and also chronic soy milk growing up (believe that contributed towards breast fat deposit and hard to decrease central abdominal fat), also not great genetics (have had these tested, and fatty acid oxidation pathways are impaired as well as some other genetic snips related to obesity and poor weight management)

I have never done any classical PEDs / Anabolics, but have done bpc and tb years ago for multiple ankle injuries. over the years i have done my bloods and will be doing them more regularly as well., male hormones wise, in the past i have recorded a total testosterone of 7nmol/L, doctor was like yep thats fine, within range haha. but i just changed my diet and a few things and over time got that back up

Current Male hormones: (20.9.25)
Total Test= 20.5
Free test= 393
SHBG= 40
LH= 2
FSH= 4
Prolactin= 135

will retest in a month or so and see if any changes, as i have added in some supps more recently and sleeping better, etc

TRAINING:
i love my running and trail running so training is more hybrid focused with 3-5 runs per week, and 3-4 gym sessions
Running: 3x zone 2, 1x tempo, 1x vo2max session
Gym: push, pull, legs, upper (sometimes upper session doesnt happen depending on work week and life)

SLEEP:
im a registered nurse and have done alot of night shift in my life, sleep has always been okay for me, but always room for improvement. recently this last year i have been sleeping better as i gave up working on the wards and no more night shift (finally a more consitent sleep schedule), although i am a very light sleeper and light does impact me massively
- 1 yr Avg nightly sleep duration= 7.25hrs (4 week avg= 7.45hrs)
- 1 yr Avg Sleep Time= 12:47am (4 week avg is 12:08am)
- 1 yr Avg nightly sleep score=75 (4 week avg= 80)

GOALS:

• increase absondimal fat loss,
• increase energy,
• drive,
• motivation/zest for life,
• strength and muscle mass, and
• recovery

all the good stuff

SUPPS:
vit d (am)
k2 (am)
mag (pm)
minerals complex (am)
b complex (am)
acetyl-l-carnitine (am)
NAC (am)
masszymes digestive enzymes (1-2 with meals)
WPI
at gym: EAAS, non-stim pump

DIET:
dont track my calories, thinking i will pick this up again as potentially not meeting my protein requirements, especially with work and things impacting some meals and timing
mon - fri = quite strict
sat & sun = enjoy this with my partner and relax a bit more (5/2 kind of minset has really helped me with sticking to mon - fri being strict, works for me)

WORK DAYS:
on waking: protein shake
first meal: canned kippers, 95% dark choc, black coffee
second meal: ~40g protein from kangaroo or venison, big salad (coriander, parsley, rocket, carrot, cucumber, ACV, olive oil)
third meal: (need to add more calories in here.. thinking adding in a smoothie; 30g pro, blueberries, cacao, etc)
GYM: 10-20g EAAS
post gym: 300-400ml coconut water, 30g WPI
dinner: rice/potatoes/pasta, meat protein source, salad or somesort
2 hrs pre bed: yoghurt bowl (20-30g wpi, yoghurt, blueberries, granola, almond butter) - sometimes dont have time to get this in if too close to bed, as finish work late

NON WORK DAYS:
on waking: protein shake
first meal: 4 eggs, avocado, kimchi (maybe sourdough or carbs if depeleted from training or doing a run and gym in same day)
second: smoothie: coconut water, blueberries, cacao, 30g wpi, 2tsp nigella sativa seeds, pomegranate kernels if i have in stock
dinner: rice/potatoes/pasta, meat protein source, salad or somesort
2 hrs pre bed: yoghurt bowl (20-30g wpi, yoghurt, blueberries, granola, almond butter) - sometimes dont have time to get this in if too close to bed, as finish work late

CYCLE:
Tesamorelin:
12 week cycle (injecting 5 on 2 off)
EITHER:
-12 weeks of 0.5mg pre bed
OR:
- 4 weeks (0.5mg pre bed)
- 8 weeks (1mg pre bed)

i know studies areon 2mg daily, and people get good results with 1mg, but have also heard people getting good results with 0.5mg,
as im a slow and steady approach type of person, ive decided to start with the 0.5mg and see how i feel, titrate as needed

Ipamorelin:
12 week cycle (injecting 5 on 2 off)
EITHER:
- 12 weeks of 100mcg BD (am and pre bed)
OR
- 4 weeks 100mcg BD
- 8 weeks 150mcg BD
OR
- 4 weeks 100mcg BD
- 4 weeks 150mcg BD
- 4 weeks 200mcg BD

IPA at 100-300mcg 1-3x per day usually, will adjust how i feel and progress)

ALSO, currently using:
BPC-157 (500mcg s/c daily)
& TB 500 (2.5mg tue/sat)

Have maybe 2 weeks left of bpc/TB, have used for 4 weeks already, got great results at day 3 onwards
all injuries resolved, seller and vial quality is very questionable and wish i had found EVO before getting these.
so placebo or actual peptide i dont know, but ill take the reduced injuries.
** NOTE: found massive improvements in inflammation and injuries as well when i added NAC back into my rotation **

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will get some lower body shots and better photos to post up, that was just a quick one right before starting the ipa/tesa

think thats everything for a log?

Appreciate any input regarding these two peptides and/or area of focus, etc

Cheers

welcome full to the EVO family @pyrexvision happy to see you share and open up, thank you! You look really good in the pics, super lean and good mass for being natty, impressive!

clean background, you are in a good place right now.
your total test around 20 nmol is not bad but can be higher and free test near 400 isn't bad but guys on Trt get closer to 800-1000 easy free fyi.
so if you ever move to true TRT you would usually see test cyp or enan around 100-200 mg /week

Tesamorelin 0.5-1 mg before bed 5 days/2 days off is a conservative dose compared to the 2 mg ed used in studies, start slower always.
ipamorelin 100-200 mcg 2x/day in the same 5/2 off pattern is right.
normal range for it is 100-300 mcg 3x/d.

BPC at 500 mcg/day and TB 500 at 2.5 mg 2x per week are normal healing ranges

on diet i'd like to know exact macros can you check with app please?

Update:

started tesa and ipa on Monday evening (24/11)
- 100mcg ipa
- 0.5mg tesa

and have continued with
- 100mcg ipa in am / pre bed
- 0.5mg tesa pre bed

SLEEP:
My sleep the first night was subjectively terrible
i couldnt sleep for an hour, i just lay there awake
the whole night i felt like i was in a half sleep, very much aware that i was "trying to sleep"
i only remember having an intesne dream right before i woke up, so i must have fallen asleep
my garmin actually said i did get to sleep, even though i felt i didnt
sleep score: 77
deep: 1h54m
rem: 58m
total: 6h43m

FEELS:
i felt pretty energised at work that day, nothing too major
gym felt really good, surely not this early but felt stronger and just sturdier, good pumps too
could be sturdier and stronger from bpc and tb and injuries taking a back seat

have read that some people get bad sleep, even though in theory GH circadian pulse between 10-2am should infact give a better sleep
everyones different i suppose
will keep an eye on it for a week and adjust if need

terrible sleep? do you take pre bed supps?


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

@toddthelineman @Madmax46

 

[Pigsy]

Welcome to the EVO family, will be subscribing ro your log

 

[Freki]

dont track my calories, thinking i will pick this up again as potentially not meeting my protein requirements, especially with work and things impacting some meals and timing

Welcome @pyrexvision Great start to your log, so much information mate.

Counting Cals and Macros is the no 1 lowest hanging fruit, get into doing it daily and you will grow

CYCLE:
Tesamorelin:

I'd start with Hgh 2iu a day and trt 100- 140mgs a week.

 

[Dreamer]

Nice start to the log, good detail and planning - with your sleep have a look at my log for some supps I take for sleep - I have struggled for years but found what works. - worth a look for sure, reading your description about your sleep sounds very familiar

 

[pyrexvision]

welcome full to the EVO family @pyrexvision happy to see you share and open up, thank you! You look really good in the pics, super lean and good mass for being natty, impressive!

clean background, you are in a good place right now.
your total test around 20 nmol is not bad but can be higher and free test near 400 isn't bad but guys on Trt get closer to 800-1000 easy free fyi.
so if you ever move to true TRT you would usually see test cyp or enan around 100-200 mg /week

Tesamorelin 0.5-1 mg before bed 5 days/2 days off is a conservative dose compared to the 2 mg ed used in studies, start slower always.
ipamorelin 100-200 mcg 2x/day in the same 5/2 off pattern is right.
normal range for it is 100-300 mcg 3x/d.

BPC at 500 mcg/day and TB 500 at 2.5 mg 2x per week are normal healing ranges

on diet i'd like to know exact macros can you check with app please?



terrible sleep? do you take pre bed supps?


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

@toddthelineman @Madmax46

Ahh thanks bro i appreciate that! has been a long road in my health journey tbh. my arms and legs are very lean but its always been my torso that holds the fat, so thats the goal

yeh goodness, i can only imagine what free test of 800-1000 would feel like, imagine the gains
i will keep this in mind, track my bloods and levels and how i feel and figure out if its time for some trt like you suggest

yep so conservative will be the go for atleast 4 weeks and then might jump up to a slightly more aggressive approach 1-2mg

cool ipa is on point then, continue that

perfect will do, ill start loggin diet into my app again and get an idea of what macros im hitting

sleep wise i have been really good the last month especially, couldnt put my finger on it tbh why it has been so good, HRV boosted alot, but its just been since doing the ipa/tesa for 2 days that my sleep was effected
- currently only really take pillar magnesium powder (big scoop = ~450mg of mag)
- and maybe 2-3x per week i have a chamomile tea, if i do that every night i get dimisnishing returns
- also Phosphatidylserine i have on hand, and use that when i have either trained super hard, or feel extra wired, good for a cortisol reduction in evening and helps sleep pretty good. but use that maybe 2-3x per month, in high stress periods
will keep eye on sleep and the peptides this week, if i have to might try swapping tesa from pm to am, and continue an ipa at night. but then if the ipa still effects sleep, just swap both to am?

 

[pyrexvision]

Welcome @pyrexvision Great start to your log, so much information mate.

Counting Cals and Macros is the no 1 lowest hanging fruit, get into doing it daily and you will grow

I'd start with Hgh 2iu a day and trt 100- 140mgs a week.

Thanks Bro! i do like my details and information haha go a bit overboard sometimes. love my stats

hundred percent im leaving things on the table by not counting these and knowing my macros for sure, i will jump onto that this week and monitor!!

 

[pyrexvision]

Nice start to the log, good detail and planning - with your sleep have a look at my log for some supps I take for sleep - I have struggled for years but found what works. - worth a look for sure, reading your description about your sleep sounds very familiar

cheers boss! just looking now, can see
"5 g Glycine
600 mg Magnesium Glycinate
3 g Glutamine
400 mg L-Theanine
900 mg Ashwagandha
120 mg Passion Flower
5 mg Melatonin"

assuming these the ones for sleep?

i actually have a bottle of glycine and was thinking of adding in 3-5g of that see how i go
over the years ive tested multiple sleep time supps, and i think im just a weird responder but i usually get worse sleep the harder i try to control my sleep
when ive cut it back to either nothing, or just a good dose of mag in the early evening is when ive had best sleep. but also one of the biggest things ive done this year is stop drinking as much if at all. that DESTROYS my sleep and recovery
start of the year i was drinking maybe 5+ times a week, now maybe 1 x in 2 months. game changer

 

[pyrexvision]

Recent Blood work in september.
couple of high values for total cholesterol and LDL.
i had just completed 4 weeks keto, and this disregulation occured last time i did 3 months keto a long way back.
high phosphate also thinking keto related.

after i got these done is when i added in certain supps like

• minerals
• b vitamins
• regular NAC
• digestive enzymes

next bloods incoming December..

 

[Dreamer]

cheers boss! just looking now, can see
"5 g Glycine
600 mg Magnesium Glycinate
3 g Glutamine
400 mg L-Theanine
900 mg Ashwagandha
120 mg Passion Flower
5 mg Melatonin"

assuming these the ones for sleep?

i actually have a bottle of glycine and was thinking of adding in 3-5g of that see how i go
over the years ive tested multiple sleep time supps, and i think im just a weird responder but i usually get worse sleep the harder i try to control my sleep
when ive cut it back to either nothing, or just a good dose of mag in the early evening is when ive had best sleep. but also one of the biggest things ive done this year is stop drinking as much if at all. that DESTROYS my sleep and recovery
start of the year i was drinking maybe 5+ times a week, now maybe 1 x in 2 months. game changer

Same mate, I was a big drinker, I tried z drugs, benzos, weed fucking everything to sleep, staying clean and taking this stack with decent sleep hygeine has worked wonders. Glycine is amazing.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ahh thanks bro i appreciate that! has been a long road in my health journey tbh. my arms and legs are very lean but its always been my torso that holds the fat, so thats the goal

yeh goodness, i can only imagine what free test of 800-1000 would feel like, imagine the gains
i will keep this in mind, track my bloods and levels and how i feel and figure out if its time for some trt like you suggest

yep so conservative will be the go for atleast 4 weeks and then might jump up to a slightly more aggressive approach 1-2mg

cool ipa is on point then, continue that

perfect will do, ill start loggin diet into my app again and get an idea of what macros im hitting

sleep wise i have been really good the last month especially, couldnt put my finger on it tbh why it has been so good, HRV boosted alot, but its just been since doing the ipa/tesa for 2 days that my sleep was effected
- currently only really take pillar magnesium powder (big scoop = ~450mg of mag)
- and maybe 2-3x per week i have a chamomile tea, if i do that every night i get dimisnishing returns
- also Phosphatidylserine i have on hand, and use that when i have either trained super hard, or feel extra wired, good for a cortisol reduction in evening and helps sleep pretty good. but use that maybe 2-3x per month, in high stress periods
will keep eye on sleep and the peptides this week, if i have to might try swapping tesa from pm to am, and continue an ipa at night. but then if the ipa still effects sleep, just swap both to am?

Good update and you look lean already so getting that torso to match your arms and legs will come fast once you tighten macros @pyrexvision

Your sleep reaction to the tesa and ipa makes sense so move tesa to the morning first and keep ipa at night for a few days then swap both to morning if sleep still drops.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Whats up lads!! First time Posting a Log.. only found evo few weeks back in search of some quality Aussie peptide suppliers. Community seems amazing and banter is entertaining. keen to share any of my knowledge and receive some from eveyone here!

STATS:
age: 32
ht: 6ft
weight: 85kg
RHR: 50bpm (1yr avg) / 47bpm (4 week avg)
VO2max: 53 (gunning for that superior garmin category eventually haha)
HRV: 50-94 ms
BP: 130-140 / 68-82 (have massive fam Hx of HTN)
fasting glucose: 4.1-4.3mmol
fitness age: 24.5

BACKGROUND:
used to weigh 115kg at my heaviest back in 2010 or so, struggled with weight and binge eating my whole childhood with periods of bulimia, and also chronic soy milk growing up (believe that contributed towards breast fat deposit and hard to decrease central abdominal fat), also not great genetics (have had these tested, and fatty acid oxidation pathways are impaired as well as some other genetic snips related to obesity and poor weight management)

I have never done any classical PEDs / Anabolics, but have done bpc and tb years ago for multiple ankle injuries. over the years i have done my bloods and will be doing them more regularly as well., male hormones wise, in the past i have recorded a total testosterone of 7nmol/L, doctor was like yep thats fine, within range haha. but i just changed my diet and a few things and over time got that back up

Current Male hormones: (20.9.25)
Total Test= 20.5
Free test= 393
SHBG= 40
LH= 2
FSH= 4
Prolactin= 135

will retest in a month or so and see if any changes, as i have added in some supps more recently and sleeping better, etc

TRAINING:
i love my running and trail running so training is more hybrid focused with 3-5 runs per week, and 3-4 gym sessions
Running: 3x zone 2, 1x tempo, 1x vo2max session
Gym: push, pull, legs, upper (sometimes upper session doesnt happen depending on work week and life)

SLEEP:
im a registered nurse and have done alot of night shift in my life, sleep has always been okay for me, but always room for improvement. recently this last year i have been sleeping better as i gave up working on the wards and no more night shift (finally a more consitent sleep schedule), although i am a very light sleeper and light does impact me massively
- 1 yr Avg nightly sleep duration= 7.25hrs (4 week avg= 7.45hrs)
- 1 yr Avg Sleep Time= 12:47am (4 week avg is 12:08am)
- 1 yr Avg nightly sleep score=75 (4 week avg= 80)

GOALS:

• increase absondimal fat loss,
• increase energy,
• drive,
• motivation/zest for life,
• strength and muscle mass, and
• recovery

all the good stuff

SUPPS:
vit d (am)
k2 (am)
mag (pm)
minerals complex (am)
b complex (am)
acetyl-l-carnitine (am)
NAC (am)
masszymes digestive enzymes (1-2 with meals)
WPI
at gym: EAAS, non-stim pump

DIET:
dont track my calories, thinking i will pick this up again as potentially not meeting my protein requirements, especially with work and things impacting some meals and timing
mon - fri = quite strict
sat & sun = enjoy this with my partner and relax a bit more (5/2 kind of minset has really helped me with sticking to mon - fri being strict, works for me)

WORK DAYS:
on waking: protein shake
first meal: canned kippers, 95% dark choc, black coffee
second meal: ~40g protein from kangaroo or venison, big salad (coriander, parsley, rocket, carrot, cucumber, ACV, olive oil)
third meal: (need to add more calories in here.. thinking adding in a smoothie; 30g pro, blueberries, cacao, etc)
GYM: 10-20g EAAS
post gym: 300-400ml coconut water, 30g WPI
dinner: rice/potatoes/pasta, meat protein source, salad or somesort
2 hrs pre bed: yoghurt bowl (20-30g wpi, yoghurt, blueberries, granola, almond butter) - sometimes dont have time to get this in if too close to bed, as finish work late

NON WORK DAYS:
on waking: protein shake
first meal: 4 eggs, avocado, kimchi (maybe sourdough or carbs if depeleted from training or doing a run and gym in same day)
second: smoothie: coconut water, blueberries, cacao, 30g wpi, 2tsp nigella sativa seeds, pomegranate kernels if i have in stock
dinner: rice/potatoes/pasta, meat protein source, salad or somesort
2 hrs pre bed: yoghurt bowl (20-30g wpi, yoghurt, blueberries, granola, almond butter) - sometimes dont have time to get this in if too close to bed, as finish work late

CYCLE:
Tesamorelin:
12 week cycle (injecting 5 on 2 off)
EITHER:
-12 weeks of 0.5mg pre bed
OR:
- 4 weeks (0.5mg pre bed)
- 8 weeks (1mg pre bed)

i know studies areon 2mg daily, and people get good results with 1mg, but have also heard people getting good results with 0.5mg,
as im a slow and steady approach type of person, ive decided to start with the 0.5mg and see how i feel, titrate as needed

Ipamorelin:
12 week cycle (injecting 5 on 2 off)
EITHER:
- 12 weeks of 100mcg BD (am and pre bed)
OR
- 4 weeks 100mcg BD
- 8 weeks 150mcg BD
OR
- 4 weeks 100mcg BD
- 4 weeks 150mcg BD
- 4 weeks 200mcg BD

IPA at 100-300mcg 1-3x per day usually, will adjust how i feel and progress)

ALSO, currently using:
BPC-157 (500mcg s/c daily)
& TB 500 (2.5mg tue/sat)

Have maybe 2 weeks left of bpc/TB, have used for 4 weeks already, got great results at day 3 onwards
all injuries resolved, seller and vial quality is very questionable and wish i had found EVO before getting these.
so placebo or actual peptide i dont know, but ill take the reduced injuries.
** NOTE: found massive improvements in inflammation and injuries as well when i added NAC back into my rotation **

View attachment 146703

will get some lower body shots and better photos to post up, that was just a quick one right before starting the ipa/tesa

think thats everything for a log?

Appreciate any input regarding these two peptides and/or area of focus, etc

Cheers

Welcome to EVO brother!

Very comprehensive first log post, amazing!

I notice you pay close attention to your diet which is solid bro! We love and need macros here so in order to not feel overwhelmed if you could start with one meal's macros for us, then work your way up to posting your daily macros that will help us dial you in!

Also, it's solid work that on the weekends you don't 'cheat' when you're relaxing with the GF, diet is in check even on NON-WORK days.

ALSO, currently using:
BPC-157 (500mcg s/c daily)
& TB 500 (2.5mg tue/sat)

These doses are on point but I'd up your Tesa (double it).

To be honest you're better off running HGH at 2-3iu at night. 2iu would last you 50 days and you're spending as much on Tesa/Ipa anyway likely. Just my thoughts.

Let's get a few of your workouts up here too with reps and weights, etc

Welcome to the board brother!

 

[LevButlerov]

Recent Blood work in september.
couple of high values for total cholesterol and LDL.
i had just completed 4 weeks keto, and this disregulation occured last time i did 3 months keto a long way back.
high phosphate also thinking keto related.

after i got these done is when i added in certain supps like

• minerals
• b vitamins
• regular NAC
• digestive enzymes

next bloods incoming December..

thank you for sharing, can you post your bloods in our blood work sub please? @pyrexvision
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/blood-work-research-analysis.283/

 

[pyrexvision]

Good update and you look lean already so getting that torso to match your arms and legs will come fast once you tighten macros @pyrexvision

Your sleep reaction to the tesa and ipa makes sense so move tesa to the morning first and keep ipa at night for a few days then swap both to morning if sleep still drops.

thats it! just got to get the torso to match up.. how i treated my body when younger is the speed bump
will finish this and maybe next week off and compare sleep data and then move tesa to am and see how that goes

Welcome to EVO brother!

Very comprehensive first log post, amazing!

I notice you pay close attention to your diet which is solid bro! We love and need macros here so in order to not feel overwhelmed if you could start with one meal's macros for us, then work your way up to posting your daily macros that will help us dial you in!

Also, it's solid work that on the weekends you don't 'cheat' when you're relaxing with the GF, diet is in check even on NON-WORK days.


These doses are on point but I'd up your Tesa (double it).

To be honest you're better off running HGH at 2-3iu at night. 2iu would last you 50 days and you're spending as much on Tesa/Ipa anyway likely. Just my thoughts.

Let's get a few of your workouts up here too with reps and weights, etc

Welcome to the board brother!

thank you brother! i tried to be as comprehensive as i could being first timer haha

Just did my macros then for all meals i typically consume, will post below.. im finding it harder to get my last meal of the day in now (which is my fav meal of the day too, nice big ol' yoghurt protein bowl w/ blueberries and lamond butter!) due to doing tesa and ipa at night and needing to have somewhat empty stomach and with me getting home from work and gym around 7 some nights. but will work on this, either get up earlier more consistently to help bring meals backwards a bit maybe

that sounds like the plan.. will double the tesa to 1mg at the 4 week mark, just wanted to see if i responded really well to 0.5mg and could save some money by doing well on a smaller dose. the amount that i bought allows me to run 1mg for a further 8 weeks after 4 weeks of 0.5mg

have always just done workouts in my head, so will start writing them down so can post up in here too

 

[pyrexvision]

MACROS

Got a cold/chest infection on friday, so just been recovering from that.. wooo

have done my macros for a typical days eating

as sometimes i dont get enough time in before bed to eat my desert/pre bed meal (as i sleep shit if i dont have a certain amount of time to digest before lying down) i have put up the macros for both typical days

AVG STATS BMR= 2,236 cal avg exercise/active expenditure (per day, avg over last year)= 1,045cal avg total cals = 3,282cals

typical day v1 = macros/calories 'without yoghurt bowl'
total calories= 1,716
- probably add ~150cals for tedious ingredients i havent added in
- definitely not hitting my calories here, especially in regards to the running or gym work and cal needs of that

macros= P= 167g | C= 93g | F= 64g
- somewhat more protein than i thought it might be, but not enough carbs to fuel my training

typical day v2= macros/calories 'with yoghurt bowl'
total cals = 2,286
- bit better totals, but well off total expenditure

macros= P= 217g | C=145g | F= 87g
-bit better looking if i can get that last meal in

 

[LevButlerov]

thats it! just got to get the torso to match up.. how i treated my body when younger is the speed bump
will finish this and maybe next week off and compare sleep data and then move tesa to am and see how that goes

lets keep going see how you feel

 

[LevButlerov]

MACROS

Got a cold/chest infection on friday, so just been recovering from that.. wooo

have done my macros for a typical days eating

as sometimes i dont get enough time in before bed to eat my desert/pre bed meal (as i sleep shit if i dont have a certain amount of time to digest before lying down) i have put up the macros for both typical days

AVG STATS BMR= 2,236 cal avg exercise/active expenditure (per day, avg over last year)= 1,045cal avg total cals = 3,282cals

typical day v1 = macros/calories 'without yoghurt bowl'
total calories= 1,716
- probably add ~150cals for tedious ingredients i havent added in
- definitely not hitting my calories here, especially in regards to the running or gym work and cal needs of that

macros= P= 167g | C= 93g | F= 64g
- somewhat more protein than i thought it might be, but not enough carbs to fuel my training

typical day v2= macros/calories 'with yoghurt bowl'
total cals = 2,286
- bit better totals, but well off total expenditure

macros= P= 217g | C=145g | F= 87g
-bit better looking if i can get that last meal in

I like your high protein days but I see you log a lot of fats, what is your omega 3 intake? fish oil walnuts etc @pyrexvision

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[HarleyGuy]

MACROS

Got a cold/chest infection on friday, so just been recovering from that.. wooo

have done my macros for a typical days eating

as sometimes i dont get enough time in before bed to eat my desert/pre bed meal (as i sleep shit if i dont have a certain amount of time to digest before lying down) i have put up the macros for both typical days

AVG STATS BMR= 2,236 cal avg exercise/active expenditure (per day, avg over last year)= 1,045cal avg total cals = 3,282cals

typical day v1 = macros/calories 'without yoghurt bowl'
total calories= 1,716
- probably add ~150cals for tedious ingredients i havent added in
- definitely not hitting my calories here, especially in regards to the running or gym work and cal needs of that

macros= P= 167g | C= 93g | F= 64g
- somewhat more protein than i thought it might be, but not enough carbs to fuel my training

typical day v2= macros/calories 'with yoghurt bowl'
total cals = 2,286
- bit better totals, but well off total expenditure

macros= P= 217g | C=145g | F= 87g
-bit better looking if i can get that last meal in

thats it! just got to get the torso to match up.. how i treated my body when younger is the speed bump
will finish this and maybe next week off and compare sleep data and then move tesa to am and see how that goes

Data shows with tesa just to choose an am or pm and be consistent with it. The pm will sync up more with your natural GH pulse during deep sleep but am is argued too that the extra pulse when you otherwise wouldn't have one is efficacious as well. I think moving to am and comparing sleep data and getting that last meal in is a good experiment.

You can also bring that last meal in the car with you and eat it on the way home after workout, done and done.

have always just done workouts in my head, so will start writing them down so can post up in here too

I bet if you log them you'll learn you do more (or less) than you think, from memory. Logging workouts is an old school thing but it works.

the amount that i bought allows me to run 1mg for a further 8 weeks after 4 weeks of 0.5mg

Perfect let's up it to 1mg for the last 8 weeks. 500mcg is almost always well tolerated.

Keep us posted brutha! Looking forward to seeing your lifts (no pressure - no judgement).

 

[Freki]

MACROS

Got a cold/chest infection on friday, so just been recovering from that.. wooo

have done my macros for a typical days eating

as sometimes i dont get enough time in before bed to eat my desert/pre bed meal (as i sleep shit if i dont have a certain amount of time to digest before lying down) i have put up the macros for both typical days

AVG STATS BMR= 2,236 cal avg exercise/active expenditure (per day, avg over last year)= 1,045cal avg total cals = 3,282cals

typical day v1 = macros/calories 'without yoghurt bowl'
total calories= 1,716
- probably add ~150cals for tedious ingredients i havent added in
- definitely not hitting my calories here, especially in regards to the running or gym work and cal needs of that

macros= P= 167g | C= 93g | F= 64g
- somewhat more protein than i thought it might be, but not enough carbs to fuel my training

typical day v2= macros/calories 'with yoghurt bowl'
total cals = 2,286
- bit better totals, but well off total expenditure

macros= P= 217g | C=145g | F= 87g
-bit better looking if i can get that last meal in

Need to make sure your getting that yoghurt bowl in bro,
How many days roughly do you miss a week?

 

[waggat]

MACROS

Got a cold/chest infection on friday, so just been recovering from that.. wooo

have done my macros for a typical days eating

as sometimes i dont get enough time in before bed to eat my desert/pre bed meal (as i sleep shit if i dont have a certain amount of time to digest before lying down) i have put up the macros for both typical days

AVG STATS BMR= 2,236 cal avg exercise/active expenditure (per day, avg over last year)= 1,045cal avg total cals = 3,282cals

typical day v1 = macros/calories 'without yoghurt bowl'
total calories= 1,716
- probably add ~150cals for tedious ingredients i havent added in
- definitely not hitting my calories here, especially in regards to the running or gym work and cal needs of that

macros= P= 167g | C= 93g | F= 64g
- somewhat more protein than i thought it might be, but not enough carbs to fuel my training

typical day v2= macros/calories 'with yoghurt bowl'
total cals = 2,286
- bit better totals, but well off total expenditure

macros= P= 217g | C=145g | F= 87g
-bit better looking if i can get that last meal in

Hey mate, nice detail on your first post. Bloods look good as well.

Good to see the macros for your typical days. The higher day definitely looks better. The macros are real low on the other day and could see that effecting recovery etc.

Are you able to show us some typical weight workouts (including exercises and weights)?

 

[pyrexvision]

I like your high protein days but I see you log a lot of fats, what is your omega 3 intake? fish oil walnuts etc @pyrexvision

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46

my bad i forgot to mention my nutrition strategy is to back-load carbs.
for energy and focus at work it just works so much better when i only have protein and fats until after work
keeps the macros more dopaminergic and then back load carbs at night for more serotinergic -> melatonin response -> better sleep
so thats why fats would be bit higher

i get a big tin of kippers in for first meal at work ~3g omega 3 in that
and rest would be almond butter, or eggs, EVOO on lunch salad

have actually been thinking ill take my battery smoothie machine to work and get a smoothie in on my last break ~4ish, get some more carbs in and then should have a bit more glycogen stores come gym time, and bump calories up a bit

 

[pyrexvision]

pm will sync up more with your natural GH pulse during deep sleep but am is argued too that the extra pulse when you otherwise wouldn't have one is efficacious as well. I think moving to am and comparing sleep data and getting that last meal in is a good experiment

Thats why i wanted to stick to PM dose in ideal world, like makes sense to align with your biology
but great idea, if i switched to am and ended up sleeping better, bonus, but i could also get more calories in before bed no worries!!!

Looking forward to seeing your lifts (no pressure - no judgement).

I'll get onto it!! i actually think seeing it on pen and paper would be a great help for sure

You can also bring that last meal in the car with you and eat it on the way home after workout, done and done.

you should see the size of the the back back i take to work on my bike, but i reckon i can fit another meal in there hahah

 

[pyrexvision]

Need to make sure your getting that yoghurt bowl in bro,
How many days roughly do you miss a week?

FOR SURE DUDE! day just isnt complete without it hahaha
i reckon before starting the protocol, maybe missing it 2-3 days a week
now on protocol, last week think i had it once, otherwise i would have had to stay up after midnight to jab
this week i will try and juggle meal timing better see how we go

 

[pyrexvision]

Hey mate, nice detail on your first post. Bloods look good as well.

Good to see the macros for your typical days. The higher day definitely looks better. The macros are real low on the other day and could see that effecting recovery etc.

Are you able to show us some typical weight workouts (including exercises and weights)?

cheers bro!
yeh the lower day is a bit grim isnt it. i didnt realise its that low, especially with how many cals i burn. some days can be upwards of 2.5k cal burned vs 4-500cals on another. so i need to dial this in for sure. i reckon carb backloading isnt helping me with getting calories up to where they should be

thinking once i play around with mots-c and ss31 then increasing carb meals will be great with better insulin sensitivity and fuel usage

ill start writing my workouts down and post em up!

 

[waggat]

cheers bro!
yeh the lower day is a bit grim isnt it. i didnt realise its that low, especially with how many cals i burn. some days can be upwards of 2.5k cal burned vs 4-500cals on another. so i need to dial this in for sure. i reckon carb backloading isnt helping me with getting calories up to where they should be

thinking once i play around with mots-c and ss31 then increasing carb meals will be great with better insulin sensitivity and fuel usage

ill start writing my workouts down and post em up!

It can be surprising what fully tracking meals reveals. I ate nearly the same thing every day and thought I had it under control. Turns out protein was much lower than I thought.

 

[Madmax46]

I like the tesa and ipa combo. I’ve only tried tesa alone before and I did lean out on it. Does ipa make you really hungry?

 

[LevButlerov]

my bad i forgot to mention my nutrition strategy is to back-load carbs.
for energy and focus at work it just works so much better when i only have protein and fats until after work
keeps the macros more dopaminergic and then back load carbs at night for more serotinergic -> melatonin response -> better sleep
so thats why fats would be bit higher

i get a big tin of kippers in for first meal at work ~3g omega 3 in that
and rest would be almond butter, or eggs, EVOO on lunch salad

have actually been thinking ill take my battery smoothie machine to work and get a smoothie in on my last break ~4ish, get some more carbs in and then should have a bit more glycogen stores come gym time, and bump calories up a bit

Thats reasonable actually @pyrexvision
is it possible to get walnut butter instead of almond butter?

 

[pyrexvision]

I like the tesa and ipa combo. I’ve only tried tesa alone before and I did lean out on it. Does ipa make you really hungry?

i havent found any hunger changes personally, if anything maybe slightly less hunger which is weird
everyones different, but with ipa being a ghrelin agonist you would think a slight increase in hunger would make sense

Thats reasonable actually @pyrexvision
is it possible to get walnut butter instead of almond butter?

im sure i could find some walnut butter at the organic grocer i goto, will sus
walnuts for better omega 3 content?
i was using almonds mainly cause i dont supplement with vit e and probably dont get much in my diet

 

[LevButlerov]

m sure i could find some walnut butter at the organic grocer i goto, will sus
walnuts for better omega 3 content?
i was using almonds mainly cause i dont supplement with vit e and probably dont get much in my diet

walnuts much better omega 3: 6 ratios and healthier, you should switch @pyrexvision