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Bros, you gotta pump the grind non-stop.
That's something we should be doing in life in all things.
Leg day is awesome.
nice job on this man. I got a lot of respect for a rest. Your body takes a pounding; it can't hurt.
Well finally got all my blood work back.
Total Test 2345
E2 5.
Looking back at my notes week 3 is the last time I was 2:1. Tested the waters and failed.
Now what… bump test and lower EQ.
I would have never known. Haven’t experienced any of the following issues: male libido, erectile function, joint health, and/or mood.
Total Test 2345
E2 5.
Looking back at my notes week 3 is the last time I was 2:1. Tested the waters and failed.
Now what… bump test and lower EQ.
I would have never known. Haven’t experienced any of the following issues: male libido, erectile function, joint health, and/or mood.
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What was I thinking lol! I know that sir!
I’m guessing here but my gut reaction is to go:
Test 600
NPP 400
EQ 300
Just to recap this is what got me to where I’m at. Blood work was taking midway of week 8 and week 9 was no better. Currently in the middle of week 10.
Week 4-6
Test Cyp 400
Tren Ace 160
EQ 240
NPP 210
Week 7-8
Test Cyp 500
EQ 360
Tren 200
NPP 300
Week 9
Tren 250
Test 625
EQ 450
NPP 360
Test 600
NPP 400
EQ 300
Just to recap this is what got me to where I’m at. Blood work was taking midway of week 8 and week 9 was no better. Currently in the middle of week 10.
Week 4-6
Test Cyp 400
Tren Ace 160
EQ 240
NPP 210
Week 7-8
Test Cyp 500
EQ 360
Tren 200
NPP 300
Week 9
Tren 250
Test 625
EQ 450
NPP 360
Just made first purchase with @US-pharmacies
Touchdown can’t come soon enough lol!
Hoping a little test prop and dosage adjustment will get my E2 back on track. Snagged some dbol too for shits and giggles.
Thanks again @BritishCanadian
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Touchdown can’t come soon enough lol!
Hoping a little test prop and dosage adjustment will get my E2 back on track. Snagged some dbol too for shits and giggles.
Thanks again @BritishCanadian
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You will love the gear!! @US-pharmacies will get it to you fast!
Hope it arrives soon brother
me too!
Man guys I was so excited today! Had a plan in place to bump up carbs to 350 and I was pumped. Early morning hits and final blood work comes in with smashed E2. Another wtf but all is good and have another plan now. Just waiting on my @US-pharmacies order to get here. Another lesson learned on my part!
Macros today
268 P
356 C
68 F
It was a good day! Mostly lol
3/17/26
Cardio
17 mins 1.5 miles
Dips 25#@20, 45#@15, 45#@15
Sm flat bench 4@225, 10@175, 14@150
Tri-set
DB incline bench, flies, & champagne
press 15@25’s, 15@25’s, 15@25’s
L to H cables 12@25, 20@20, 25@15
Rope push downs 12@55, 16@45, 30@35
OH tri ext 12@55, 20@45, 30@35
Str bar push down 12@75, 16@60, 28@45
65 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Macros today
268 P
356 C
68 F
It was a good day! Mostly lol
3/17/26
Cardio
17 mins 1.5 miles
Dips 25#@20, 45#@15, 45#@15
Sm flat bench 4@225, 10@175, 14@150
Tri-set
DB incline bench, flies, & champagne
press 15@25’s, 15@25’s, 15@25’s
L to H cables 12@25, 20@20, 25@15
Rope push downs 12@55, 16@45, 30@35
OH tri ext 12@55, 20@45, 30@35
Str bar push down 12@75, 16@60, 28@45
65 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
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Nice update again bro. What plan you got in place for the e2 brother?
Well a few things…Nice update again bro. What plan you got in place for the e2 brother?
With the help and input of @BritishCanadian mentioning @Dreamer had this issue and used Test P I ordered some earlier. A few others have suggested the same since.
Thinking outside the box I grabbed some dbol, which some others have since suggested also.
In the immediate, I bumped my test up with a nice shot of 125mg lol.
Lesson learned!
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where is the bloods? not seeing the image please share @Tankie
They were up a ways. Here you go!
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Yes now its loading there too lol
sorry missed it @Tankielets cut eq down but show us how much you load too
You know me well by now.
Digging the carb challenge @LevButlerov and the lighter cardio. Really the cardio not as long which I think has me mentally pushing harder for the 15 mins before and after.
Macros for the win again!
313 P
355 C
85 F
3/18/26
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Pull-ups 25, 20, 18
Bent over rows pro 15@105, 12@125, 12@125
Behind back shrugs 15@105, 16@125, 15@125
Chest supported rows 10@40’s, 15@35’s, 20@30’s
Kelso shrugs 10@40’s, 15@35’s, 20@30’s
Wide grip seated rows 13@130, 20@100, 30@70
Rope curls 12@60, 15@50, 20@40
Bayesian curls 10@30’s, 15@25’s, 20@20’s
Str bar cable curls 7@60, 16@45, 22@35
65 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5miles
Macros for the win again!
313 P
355 C
85 F
3/18/26
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Pull-ups 25, 20, 18
Bent over rows pro 15@105, 12@125, 12@125
Behind back shrugs 15@105, 16@125, 15@125
Chest supported rows 10@40’s, 15@35’s, 20@30’s
Kelso shrugs 10@40’s, 15@35’s, 20@30’s
Wide grip seated rows 13@130, 20@100, 30@70
Rope curls 12@60, 15@50, 20@40
Bayesian curls 10@30’s, 15@25’s, 20@20’s
Str bar cable curls 7@60, 16@45, 22@35
65 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5miles
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Love seeing this brother. Your logging of this change is awesome and gives great insight into how you find it and the challenges that I presents. I am watching with very keen interest
As I am with you on the dbol. I might have to partake now to get my E2 up but I’m still undecided for my bulk.Love seeing this brother. Your logging of this change is awesome and gives great insight into how you find it and the challenges that I presents. I am watching with very keen interest
Thats why we’re all here conversing!
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Last week @LevButlerov proposed I up my carbs so I went from 225ish up to 350. I’m currently in the middle of week 10 out of 16. I’ve literally worked my ass off 7 days a week for I don’t know how long so I took this opportunity to implement (2) light days. Mentally I can’t have complete rest days.
With that said I’m thinking let’s carb cycle right! Intentions are to shock the body if that’s possible. My breakdown is as followed:
5 days a week 800-900 burned cals w/3miles heavy cardio included. 350 carbs 3000 cals
2 days a week 400-450 burned cals w/2 miles light cardio included. 200-225 carbs 2200 cals
Looking for comments as to if this makes sense or not. Thanks!
@Allupfromhere & @ROIDDERS I've included you because when I searched “Carb Cycle” you guys had two great quotes that make me feel this fits my profile.
@Allupfromhere
“Carb cycling is a performance and recovery tool, not a fat loss shortcut.
If the person is not training hard enough to justify the higher carb days, it becomes unnecessary complication.
If they are pushing performance, trying to hold onto muscle, or manipulating calories strategically over the week, then it becomes a very useful lever.”
@ROIDDERS
“When it comes to carb cycling there is no black and white answer to this. It's all dependent on yourself.
How much are you training in a day?
How much cardio are you doing?
How many calories are you burning?
All that plays a role.”
With that said I’m thinking let’s carb cycle right! Intentions are to shock the body if that’s possible. My breakdown is as followed:
5 days a week 800-900 burned cals w/3miles heavy cardio included. 350 carbs 3000 cals
2 days a week 400-450 burned cals w/2 miles light cardio included. 200-225 carbs 2200 cals
Looking for comments as to if this makes sense or not. Thanks!
@Allupfromhere & @ROIDDERS I've included you because when I searched “Carb Cycle” you guys had two great quotes that make me feel this fits my profile.
@Allupfromhere
“Carb cycling is a performance and recovery tool, not a fat loss shortcut.
If the person is not training hard enough to justify the higher carb days, it becomes unnecessary complication.
If they are pushing performance, trying to hold onto muscle, or manipulating calories strategically over the week, then it becomes a very useful lever.”
@ROIDDERS
“When it comes to carb cycling there is no black and white answer to this. It's all dependent on yourself.
How much are you training in a day?
How much cardio are you doing?
How many calories are you burning?
All that plays a role.”
I think that's a good strategy, man. You can always adjust it as you go.
Awesome update brother. I hope the carb cycling approach works for you
I hope so too. I’m questioning if I should carb load prior. If not, I do have an intra workout drink.Awesome update brother. I hope the carb cycling approach works for you
It’s all an experiment so we’ll see!
It’s a bit earlier than usual but I’m done for the day so I figured I’d post. I hit my macros but not so much on the calories. I count them so it matters to me but have heard only macros matter.
To say the least, I am hungry lol.
2500 calories
240 P
208 C
74 F
3/19/26
Light cardio
13 mins 1 mile
Db side raises 12@30’s, 20@25’s, 30@20’s
Lying leg raises 120x
Bent over reverse flys 15@30’s, 20@25’s, 25@20’s
10lb side plank windmills (3) sets x 12
Db front raises 10@30’s, 20@25’s, 25@20’s,
Single cable rear delt 15@20,
Single cable side delt 15@15
Front rope raise 20@30
45 mins
Light cardio
13 mins 1 mile
To say the least, I am hungry lol.
2500 calories
240 P
208 C
74 F
3/19/26
Light cardio
13 mins 1 mile
Db side raises 12@30’s, 20@25’s, 30@20’s
Lying leg raises 120x
Bent over reverse flys 15@30’s, 20@25’s, 25@20’s
10lb side plank windmills (3) sets x 12
Db front raises 10@30’s, 20@25’s, 25@20’s,
Single cable rear delt 15@20,
Single cable side delt 15@15
Front rope raise 20@30
45 mins
Light cardio
13 mins 1 mile
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You are early today legend. That is a ton of volume on those delts, they must be cooked
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love to see the carb bump
and dont worry about how much you burned you're maxing and training hard @Tankie
Hey brother sorry i have been trying to get back to you but work is chaotic at the moment..
Looking over your cycle man and whats making this so tricky for you is it your protocol is always shifting dose wise.. this will never allow you to get the most out of a cycle or learn what you need to from it.
Absolutely no reason at all to ever run 2 19 nor compounds simultaneously period. Not to sound rude but there just simply isnt.
now your issue with e2 you will find it impossible to dial in. As what your facing is not only a change in both test and eq doses but a difference in the point of your aromatisation curve for a particular dose. How your body converts estrogen from a particular testosterone dose isnt lineal.
Sorry brother, but I’ve gotta be on the other side of this one.
You’re already dealing with issues from running too many compounds, and now you’re looking to add another anabolic on top of an already messy situation. That’s just stacking problems on problems.
At some point we’ve gotta stop trying to fix things by adding more drugs, and instead start asking which ones are actually causing the issues and need to be pulled back.
Also, I was just looking over your last few posts… are you in a cut right now? Because if you are, why is there so much gear involved?
You don’t need a cocktail of compounds to cut.
All you need is enough to hold onto muscle tissue while your nutrition and training give your body a reason to keep it. That’s it.
Running excessive amounts during a deficit is only going to increase oxidative stress, worsen recovery, and create more underlying issues as calories drop and output increases. You’re basically burning the candle at both ends, just at a much faster rate.
A cut shouldn’t just be about getting lean either. It should be used as a health phase.
This is where we clean up bloodwork, reduce stress on the body, and put ourselves in the best possible position to actually grow later on.
Right now, it just looks like you’re pushing harder into the exact things that are already causing you problems.
Now when it comes to carb cycling, it can be a very useful tool in the right situation.
But before jumping straight into it, we need to actually assess whether it is even needed here.
First things first:
Is your training performance suffering right now?
What does your sleep look like each night?
How is your overall recovery?
How much weight are you actually losing per week?
And do not just rely on scale weight alone, you need to be tracking progress photos and measurements as well. The scale does not always tell the full story.
Because here is the reality…
If things are still moving in the right direction, introducing carb cycling might not only be unnecessary, it could actually make things worse if it is not implemented properly.
We need to confirm that it is required, and then ensure the macros are actually calculated with intent, not just guessed.
In some cases, what ends up happening is the total weekly deficit gets reduced without realizing it and the whole purpose of carb cycling becomes counterproductive.
So before adding more complexity, make sure the fundamentals are still doing their job.
Let have a look at all these and revisit brother let me know and im more then happy to work through it all in depth with you legend.
Brother pleade know this post might sound like a grilling but i want you to understand it comes from a good place..
I have no issue what so ever with this post. I’ll fill you in and will be ready to listen!
I agree it has. Not necessarily what is meant by titrate up.
Wasn’t intending on doing NPP just got caught up.
I can see how this could easily turn into a roller coaster. Thoughts on the Test P to assist the E2?
No recomp. Probably should have left out the NPP and Anavar. FYI this was last week involving TREN. I’ve been anywhere from 2500 - 3000 calories for most of the cycle.
No I am seeing strength gains. Nothing crazy but slowly gaining.
Wake up to piss twice a night due to timing of psyllium hush and fruit juice. Need to do better. Go to bed at 8 wake up around 3 with the two piss breaks.
No issues at all. Ready to go everyday! Occasionally there maybe a one off day but that’s rare.
Lost maybe 2lbs since January. Measurements are changing though. Measure waist and neck. Neck is 1/2” bigger and naval is maybe 2-3” smaller. Started at 17.4 % body fat and probably down to 13.5/14. Pictures were updated at beginning week 3 and I think week 7. Progression has been nice and noticeable.
Brother I appreciate this and are all ears. I think the recomp is there but I did complicate things. I have thought about the roller coaster effect right now so moving forward I will be more cautious and of course listen to what you have to say.
You keep it real and I respect that. Let me have it!
Hey folks! Week 10 is ending on somewhat a sour note. Smashed my E2, not the first one nor will I be the last one. Thing is, figure out best way to reverse it. Maybe someone will learn from my mistake.
I think around weeks 4-6 I started to question my E2. I was rolling with the Tren but never had the Tren libido that so many talk about. I was there for the wife but envisioned being more like a jack rabbit. Should have been my sign to get blood work at that time.
Too many compounds yes I agree I got twisted. This isn’t justification just merely what I was thinking. Original plan was to stop Tren after week 6 so I implemented NPP week 4. Well come to find out besides some bed sweats Tren was going good and really did the whole time so instead of dropping NPP I just kept rolling.
Besides my E2 I believe my recomp is going really well. Some say it’s the hardest to do. Body weight isn’t changing but boy are those measurements. Not an overnight surge of strength but steady gains. Slowly increasing reps which in turn equates to slowly increasing weight.
These logs are nothing more than sharing thoughts and feelings and at the moment these are mine to look back at.
Lastly, it’s a beautiful thing out here and I’m just glad I get to share with you guys!
I think around weeks 4-6 I started to question my E2. I was rolling with the Tren but never had the Tren libido that so many talk about. I was there for the wife but envisioned being more like a jack rabbit
. Should have been my sign to get blood work at that time. Too many compounds yes I agree I got twisted. This isn’t justification just merely what I was thinking. Original plan was to stop Tren after week 6 so I implemented NPP week 4. Well come to find out besides some bed sweats Tren was going good and really did the whole time so instead of dropping NPP I just kept rolling.
Besides my E2 I believe my recomp is going really well. Some say it’s the hardest to do. Body weight isn’t changing but boy are those measurements. Not an overnight surge of strength but steady gains. Slowly increasing reps which in turn equates to slowly increasing weight.
These logs are nothing more than sharing thoughts and feelings and at the moment these are mine to look back at.
Lastly, it’s a beautiful thing out here and I’m just glad I get to share with you guys!
Love thisHey folks! Week 10 is ending on somewhat a sour note. Smashed my E2, not the first one nor will I be the last one. Thing is, figure out best way to reverse it. Maybe someone will learn from my mistake.
I think around weeks 4-6 I started to question my E2. I was rolling with the Tren but never had the Tren libido that so many talk about. I was there for the wife but envisioned being more like a jack rabbit
Too many compounds yes I agree I got twisted. This isn’t justification just merely what I was thinking. Original plan was to stop Tren after week 6 so I implemented NPP week 4. Well come to find out besides some bed sweats Tren was going good and really did the whole time so instead of dropping NPP I just kept rolling.
Besides my E2 I believe my recomp is going really well. Some say it’s the hardest to do. Body weight isn’t changing but boy are those measurements. Not an overnight surge of strength but steady gains. Slowly increasing reps which in turn equates to slowly increasing weight.
These logs are nothing more than sharing thoughts and feelings and at the moment these are mine to look back at.
Lastly, it’s a beautiful thing out here and I’m just glad I get to share with you guys!
Week 10 is done and over with. Finished with a strong day in the gym. Minor bumps in reps is all I look for and was able to capture that today.
Tren fell off this week and you know, I enjoyed it. Adjusted test after bombed e2 and will continue to from here on out. Definitely wrong ratio. Will get e2 checked again after week 11/12. Long enough to see change?
Macros
3096 cal
248 P
348 C
89 F
3/20/26
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Pushups 50, 25, 25, 25, 25
SM incline bench 9@175, 14@150, 20@125
H to L cables 10@30’s, 13@25’s, 18@20’s
Cable crossovers 10@25, 15@20, 22@15
L to H cables 11@20’s, 20@15’s, 30@10’s
Rope push down 12@50, 20@40, 30@30
OH tri ext 13@55, 24@40, 30@35
V bar push down 7@75, 13@60, 23@45
60 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Tren fell off this week and you know, I enjoyed it. Adjusted test after bombed e2 and will continue to from here on out. Definitely wrong ratio. Will get e2 checked again after week 11/12. Long enough to see change?
Macros
3096 cal
248 P
348 C
89 F
3/20/26
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Pushups 50, 25, 25, 25, 25
SM incline bench 9@175, 14@150, 20@125
H to L cables 10@30’s, 13@25’s, 18@20’s
Cable crossovers 10@25, 15@20, 22@15
L to H cables 11@20’s, 20@15’s, 30@10’s
Rope push down 12@50, 20@40, 30@30
OH tri ext 13@55, 24@40, 30@35
V bar push down 7@75, 13@60, 23@45
60 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
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e2 drops happen you wouldn't be the 1st one to have this issueHey folks! Week 10 is ending on somewhat a sour note. Smashed my E2, not the first one nor will I be the last one. Thing is, figure out best way to reverse it. Maybe someone will learn from my mistake.
I think around weeks 4-6 I started to question my E2. I was rolling with the Tren but never had the Tren libido that so many talk about. I was there for the wife but envisioned being more like a jack rabbit
Too many compounds yes I agree I got twisted. This isn’t justification just merely what I was thinking. Original plan was to stop Tren after week 6 so I implemented NPP week 4. Well come to find out besides some bed sweats Tren was going good and really did the whole time so instead of dropping NPP I just kept rolling.
Besides my E2 I believe my recomp is going really well. Some say it’s the hardest to do. Body weight isn’t changing but boy are those measurements. Not an overnight surge of strength but steady gains. Slowly increasing reps which in turn equates to slowly increasing weight.
These logs are nothing more than sharing thoughts and feelings and at the moment these are mine to look back at.
Lastly, it’s a beautiful thing out here and I’m just glad I get to share with you guys!
we just need to up your test and drop all the other compounds tbhhow do you feel about checking around 3 weeks from 1st test?
carbs going up nice! @Tankie
and push ups the big win
Problem with checking from 1st test (mid of week 8) is my ratio was still off. Week 9 was probably worst of all weeks.e2 drops happen you wouldn't be the 1st one to have this issue
how do you feel about checking around 3 weeks from 1st test?
carbs going up nice! @Tankie
and push ups the big win
This is the first week of adjusted test to EQ ratio.
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This is what I mean by dropping all other gear, cut all eq and other gear and stick to just testosterone 3 weeks for now @Tankie
Oh ok!
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we need to get the eq out of your system it has a long half life, lets cut back to testosterone only can you do it?
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You know brother, I have thought long and hard about this and I am not ready to throw in the towel.we need to get the eq out of your system it has a long half life, lets cut back to testosterone only can you do it?
I’m going to adjust just as you have suggested in another log.
Unfortunately I can’t tell you what you want to hear cause I’m just not that guy. I have to be honest with myself and this is where I’m at. Let’s do this!
Honestly brother if everything is trending in the direction it needs to, fats coming off, muscle is building and recovery is good i wouldnt change your macros or add in carb cycling yet. Reality is and the question you need to ask yourself, is why should i change something thats working?
Hey folks! Week 10 is ending on somewhat a sour note. Smashed my E2, not the first one nor will I be the last one. Thing is, figure out best way to reverse it. Maybe someone will learn from my mistake.
I think around weeks 4-6 I started to question my E2. I was rolling with the Tren but never had the Tren libido that so many talk about. I was there for the wife but envisioned being more like a jack rabbit
Too many compounds yes I agree I got twisted. This isn’t justification just merely what I was thinking. Original plan was to stop Tren after week 6 so I implemented NPP week 4. Well come to find out besides some bed sweats Tren was going good and really did the whole time so instead of dropping NPP I just kept rolling.
Besides my E2 I believe my recomp is going really well. Some say it’s the hardest to do. Body weight isn’t changing but boy are those measurements. Not an overnight surge of strength but steady gains. Slowly increasing reps which in turn equates to slowly increasing weight.
These logs are nothing more than sharing thoughts and feelings and at the moment these are mine to look back at.
Lastly, it’s a beautiful thing out here and I’m just glad I get to share with you guys!
I dont think you should look at as throwing in the towel brother, look at things logically not emotionally.
Your have a compound thats causing you issues. Issues that cant be fixed fast.
Why not remove that compound instead of continuing to persue it forcing a situation where you have to add more gear that can come with its own potential hurdled too.
Dont look at this as giving up on something because thats a silly approach. Its more about re gaining some traction in a situation where your spinning your wheels so then you can comfortably continue.
You adjust again now with eq and you have have to hope you hit the nail on the head or you have to re-adjust yet again waiting even longer. Who knows when you nail it, i can assure you that it will most likely reach a point where you settle for whats close not for whats optimal because of the time frame it takes to make these adjustments with eq specifically.
Personally i say completely drop the eq. Let it move out of your system and just use an ai for the remainder of this run to control estrogen.
You mentioned you want to run a growth phase after this but your not setting your self up health wise to do so. Fat loss/recomp shouldnt be about thrashing gear, its should be about using only what is necessary to achieve what your trying to do.
Create the longest, healthiest and most productive runway for growth you can.
Your not in contest prep so you shouldnt have to abuse anabolics like you are in that situation. We're lifestyle guys and this shit takes years of your life at the other end.
Use these compounds to help you long term not short terms spurts of health punishment.
I hate giving blanket doses but so i dont sound like a broken record flogging the same message over and over.
Drop test back to 300, can leave npp at 200.
Use aromasin accordingly.
My genuine opinion here is drop back to as high test dose you can run without needing any e2 control in place.
Strip the weight with with well structured nutrition and output. Get insulin sensitivity and all health markers exactly where it needs to be and set your growth phase up so it can be as healthy, long and effective as possible.
I know this might not be what you wanted to hear but as i say, we need to think logical not emotional.
Good luck brother
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I get you. I'm also not saying throw in the towel I was saying for 2-3 weeks we go into test only to balance you out @Tankie more along those lines
This comes with pros and cons. I have to always be changing. I could have the best thing in life but want more. Thank the lord for my wife of 23 years.
You words from here on are spot on. I am so appreciative that you have taken the time out of your day to try and enlighten me. Please dont look at it as a lost cause.
Please don’t judge me on this one action/decision. I know you have so much to offer and I would love to hear more. I’m gonna get through this one way or another and would love to hear your input on my next phase if you’re willing.
To say there’s no emotion in this would be a lie. My drive and passion for fitness and diet is my key to sobriety. My mindset is not to give up without trying. I want to give myself three weeks to try. My mood is good but what has suffered the most is my libido. If I don’t see change I am going to drop it. I’ve already got one week down so really it’s only two to go.
I don’t know you from Adam and Eve brother but I do know you care so this is actually somewhat difficult. I care that you all take the time to invest your thoughts and opinions on my wellbeing. If the adjustments don’t work I’ll get out. This is long term and health is numero uno. My mindset is to try and I can’t hide that.
Don’t give up on me yet!
Hey brother you are there for me everyday of this journey and I can’t tell you how much I appreciate that! Technically you’re there for a lot of us everyday, it’s amazing how you do it. So to go against your suggestion is tough.fair
I don’t want to drag this out any longer than it needs to. I’m gonna make a couple adjustments and if in two weeks nothing changes it will be time to drop it. If things change then I really only have a couple weeks after that to complete the EQ cycle.
Smh I haven’t seen one comment or proof that 2:1 is the right ratio. I really think it’s more like 3:1. I was so hell bent on being 300 EQ but wasn’t ready for 900 Test.
If I would have met @Allupfromhere earlier I’d probably be flying 600:200 cause he has the proof it works. I know everyone is different but it would have been a better start.
Hang in there with me! It’s not over yet!
Now I’ve got my awkward replies done let’s share yesterday’s workout. Great day in the gym. Continue to see improvements.
Mentally all is good except the libido. I see that now. It must get better!
Was looking at mass gainers and thought holy shit, expensive and a little over the top for me so I concocted my own recipe. Actually wasn’t bad. Kinda a cheat code, there if I need it.
This week starts week 11 so I have updated compounds:
NPP 60 (5 days/wk)
Test P 50 (5 days/wk)
Test E 100 (5days/wk)
EQ 60 (4 days/wk)
Proviron 25 ed
10mg Cialis EOD
Reta 3.5 Mondays
Cardarine 20 mg ed
Macros
3265 Calories
252 P
367 C
81 F
3/21/26
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Pull-ups 23, 21, 17, 15
Wide grip lat pull downs 13@130, 20@100, 30@70
V grip pull downst 13@130, 20@100, 30@70
Neutral grip seated rows 12@130, 20@100, 30@70
Str bar curl 9@60, 14@50, 20@35
Bayesian curls 9@30’s, 16@25’s, 20@20’s
Rope curls 12@50, 20@40, 30@30
70 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Mentally all is good except the libido. I see that now. It must get better!
Was looking at mass gainers and thought holy shit, expensive and a little over the top for me so I concocted my own recipe. Actually wasn’t bad. Kinda a cheat code, there if I need it.
This week starts week 11 so I have updated compounds:
NPP 60 (5 days/wk)
Test P 50 (5 days/wk)
Test E 100 (5days/wk)
EQ 60 (4 days/wk)
Proviron 25 ed
10mg Cialis EOD
Reta 3.5 Mondays
Cardarine 20 mg ed
Macros
3265 Calories
252 P
367 C
81 F
3/21/26
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
Pull-ups 23, 21, 17, 15
Wide grip lat pull downs 13@130, 20@100, 30@70
V grip pull downst 13@130, 20@100, 30@70
Neutral grip seated rows 12@130, 20@100, 30@70
Str bar curl 9@60, 14@50, 20@35
Bayesian curls 9@30’s, 16@25’s, 20@20’s
Rope curls 12@50, 20@40, 30@30
70 mins
Cardio
16 mins 1.5 miles
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I have just gone through all of the above and really feel your frustration, confusion, passion and resolve brother. You are most certainly not alone in this and the entire Evo Family is in your corner and wants nothing but the best for you. @Allupfromhere and @LevButlerov are absolute legends and have an incredible amount of wisdom to help guide you through this.
No one in the Evo Fam will ever give up on you legend, that is an iron clad guarantee.
Nice workout btw, great volume as usual.
Thanks brother! I know they are that’s why it was tough going against their advice.I have just gone through all of the above and really feel your frustration, confusion, passion and resolve brother. You are most certainly not alone in this and the entire Evo Family is in your corner and wants nothing but the best for you. @Allupfromhere and @LevButlerov are absolute legends and have an incredible amount of wisdom to help guide you through this.
No one in the Evo Fam will ever give up on you legend, that is an iron clad guarantee.
Nice workout btw, great volume as usual.
Just looking forward to a happy ending that I can share with other first time EQ users!
Never would i judge you brother, there would be times as a community we may not completely agree with eachothers opinions but that doesnt mean we are judging as individuals. I myself have been where you are with these particular compounds and faced the hurdles your facing now.
I was also the same lol...
and was committed to see it through lol.
if this is for the long haul brother then you might as well keep going until you nail it.
Accept the fact that there will be some lost time whilst you fine tune again but see it through and you will have a ratio, at a particular dose mind you, that can work in the future.
I do genuinely care brother, that's why sometimes i can sound a little blunt with some opinions but its because i always want people putting their health first before progress.
Ok lets look at it all laid out now.
You’ve already said your training and nutrition are dialled in and you’re seeing good recomposition… so leave that exactly as it is. It’s working. The worst thing you can do now is start changing variables there, slow your progress, and then misread what’s actually happening with the cycle.
First move, switch all injections to daily. That’s going to give you the most stable blood levels and remove a lot of unnecessary fluctuation.
Right now you’re sitting around a 1250mg total anabolic load weekly, which is honestly overkill for your current size and stage. More isn’t better here, it’s just more variables and more problems to manage.
Are you set on keeping npp in? It does complicate things. It’s not a deal breaker, but everything becomes a lot easier to read and control without it. I’ll leave that call with you.
With these changes, give it a solid 5 weeks before judging anything. That’s especially important since eq is in the mix. And I’m assuming you’re cruising on trt between cycles, which helps with baseline consistency.
Now is the time to make one clean adjustment, not five. That adjustment is lowering eq.
I’d bring eq down to 200mg or less. Based on your previous ratios to test and your e2 readings, I’d actually lean closer to 150mg or even under. Right now it looks like you’re forcing your test dose higher just to compensate, which isn’t where you want to be. You can always push total load later with something like Masteron that doesn’t convert to estrogen.
Keep test e at 500mg. That’s a solid base dose and realistically you shouldn’t need to push beyond that.
Use test p as your fine tuning tool. It acts quickly, which means faster feedback and quicker adjustments. In your situation, it’s the most practical lever to pull.
I’d actually overshoot slightly here, because bringing e2 down is far easier than trying to chase it up. Somewhere in the 150–200mg range is a reasonable starting point. See where that lands you, pull bloods, and adjust from there if needed.
Definitely don’t use Dbol to manipulate e2. Yeah, it’ll raise it… but then what? You’re stuck relying on a compound with erratic effects just to hold a number in place. That’s not control, that’s chaos. Test p is a far cleaner way to manage things.
Now just to be completely transparent with you… this isn’t the kind of direction I’d usually stand behind or encourage. But you’re a grown man and you’re going to make your own calls regardless. I’d rather help you navigate it in a more controlled way than sit back and watch things drift further off track. I’ve been there myself, so I get it.
Stick to the plan, make one adjustment at a time, and actually give it time to show you what it’s doing.
And if all else fails… we’ll just pretend this was all part of a very advanced “experimental phase” and act like we meant to do it the whole time
Yes I agree!
Done but I have to wait a week. Sunday is prefill day for all these damn pins.
Couldn’t agree more! Not wanting to here at all.
Definitely a topic for later that I wouldn’t mind discussing.
You sure not 600. I know this guy that’s at 600/200 and estrogen is spot on
10-4. I did get it along with Test P as soon as my shit was crashed. I need to show US-Pharmacies some love with a TD for the quick delivery though. I’m not a fan of it because of the estrogen sides but got it on a whim to be safe when ordering the test p.
Thank you for this. I’m not completely deaf and know adjustments are needed. I can/will adjust even more after this week to a much more realistic dose as we’ve discussed.
Lastly just to cue you in on my full cycle outline… Winstrol is in the plan for the final four weeks. With the E2 issue and overall timing I planned on implementing that with test base at the end. Objective - nice and primed by Memorial Day barring I finish strong and body fat % is low enough. Just laying all the cards out there lol!
Nice leg day today! I keep telling the wife I’m gonna throw up 250 on the squat rack but still hesitant. I want to but have to ask, at my age do I need to.
Family had me make some birrias today on the black stone now that it’s getting nice out. They’re really good but almost a cheat meal due to the fat content.
Macros
3562 calories
242 P
362 C
133 F
3/22/26
Bulgarian lunges. 12@45’s, 20@35’s, 25@25’s
Squats 10@225, 15@200, 18@@175
Leg ext 12@150 15@130, 20@110
Leg curls 15@90, 15@75, 30@50
Leg press 12@527, 20@437, 25@347
Calf raises 3x failure
Single cable rear dellt 12@20 20@15,
Single cable side delt 820 17@15
Machine shrugs 13@215, 20@175, 25@175
90 mins
Family had me make some birrias today on the black stone now that it’s getting nice out. They’re really good but almost a cheat meal due to the fat content.
Macros
3562 calories
242 P
362 C
133 F
3/22/26
Bulgarian lunges. 12@45’s, 20@35’s, 25@25’s
Squats 10@225, 15@200, 18@@175
Leg ext 12@150 15@130, 20@110
Leg curls 15@90, 15@75, 30@50
Leg press 12@527, 20@437, 25@347
Calf raises 3x failure
Single cable rear dellt 12@20 20@15,
Single cable side delt 820 17@15
Machine shrugs 13@215, 20@175, 25@175
90 mins
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I do like the push. 3:1 lets try it how about 4:1 to try? so we can clean out the ester from the system @Tankie
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Hahaha this did make me giggle. I mustn't have clarified this area enough sorry bro.You sure not 600. I know this guy that’s at 600/200 and estrogen is spot on
Your going to set your test e dose at 500mg and use the test p as the adjustment lever at 150-200mg to lean into the higher side of things. That way we can bring this down as needed. So your not actually on 500mg you starting at potentially 650-700mg test over all. As we adjust with the proprionate and find our exact test dose, once we have that number remove the test p and replace that same amount with test e.
Winstrol honestly is only there for a contest prep oral to finish when your dick skin peeled.
Will leave your lipids in the gutter and your joints feeling like shit. Will also force you to extend you health phase run before you start a growth phase.
Anavar is a better option here as it will give you the strength increae towards the end when your lifts start to stall and will still give you an incredible look aesthetically too if composition is where it should be from all of this effort.
Whats your time frame i just seen though? This should have been considered.
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Brother, of course you need to throw up 250. Age is irrelevant
Awesome volume going through these lifts still bro
@Tankie Wow that's some good looking eats right there looks like you had yourself a nice meal and a hell of a workout on top
Bros the macros looking really good I like the calories you're doing and I like everything else you into @Tankie
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It was a good episode
oh hell yeah. those tacos look unreal.
Nice workout mate. Good effort with hitting 225 for 10 after the Bulgarians! Nice weight on the leg press as well.
I like the bulgarian lunges and the squats @Tankie That's a very challenging workout and you're really pushing yourself
@Tankie The bulgarian lunges are terrific and the squats are also looking good I like the leg training and the calf raises. You get in a workout like that there's nothing better
You are the man on this. Good eats and good training. Can't beat that at all. @Tankie
Oh boy they look good
4:1 will be tough. Let’s see how how a mix of test p and e does for me at 3:1EVO family love your way
Yeah I see where you was going with the 150-200 now.
Question on the Anavar… what brand/source have you tried and liked. I went with Para Pharma and left a little unimpressed.
Brother, of course you need to throw up 250. Age is irrelevant
Awesome volume going through these lifts still bro
I will. Especially after @Mobster said he’s planning on 1000+ at the age of 62.
Yes too both. I usually don’t post food cause I pretty much eat the same shit but thought the tacos were a nice change and worth sharing.
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They are
and are so easy to make.
Thank you brother! I need to swing your way and catch up on how you’re doing. It’s been a min.
when I wrote that I actually thought of you and what you was going to say. 1000 plus at 62…Your still one bad mofo!
Thank you sir! The lunges are only meant to warm up but sometimes depending how I feel I may get carried away with them. Out of all those workouts… leg curls are the ones that hurt the most in moment don’t know why.
I listened today and didn’t think I did too bad. Some room for improvement but when your with two Hollywood guys that’s to be expected lol.
Thanks brother! It does kick my ass for the day. Sunday is a day for relaxing anyways so the wife doesn’t give me too hard of time for doing mother later lol
That’s what Sunday's were meant for. I’m just glad the weather is starting to change and we can get back to doing things outside.
They were and we have a shit ton left. Gave them to my son to take to work. I won’t eat it two days in a row. Gotta get back to my chickenOh boy they look good
Im not sure with sources over you side of the pond brother, im in Aus.
Is there a way to give a thumbs down? I don’t like your answer lol.
I think tonight is gonna end early. Only got about 5hrs of sleep last night. Ended up waking up a little bit after two and couldn’t get back to sleep.
Haven’t had a drink since dinner and I’m keeping it that way. Waiting on the psyllium husk has been killing me so I’m changing it up.
Anyways light cardio and AB’s today. Nothing much to report.
Calories and macros a little lower to accommodate.
Macros
2697 calories
232 P
238 C
80 F
Haven’t had a drink since dinner and I’m keeping it that way. Waiting on the psyllium husk has been killing me so I’m changing it up.
Anyways light cardio and AB’s today. Nothing much to report.
Calories and macros a little lower to accommodate.
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5 hours a bit low, try to get a nap in days that are that light
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Started Sunday!fair lets try 3:1 and see how it works and retest
Yeah it was kinda one of night. Heading to bed now to play catch up!5 hours a bit low, try to get a nap in days that are that light
Gonna sleep fast! Chest and tri’s tomorrow can’t wait!!!!
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chest tris winYeah it was kinda one of night. Heading to bed now to play catch up!
Gonna sleep fast! Chest and tri’s tomorrow can’t wait!!!!
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@Tankie damn I hate that man, when you get up like that and you can't go back to sleep. Try and not look at the time and wear blue blockers when you get up like that. This way you don't screw yourself up. Don't keep your phone or an alarm clock facing you where you'll know the time.
Bros, you look good. If you ask me I like the macros. I think 2,700 calories, pretty good sweet spot for you. @Tankie
Bros, we got all the belief in you. Keep the iron grind going.
The lunges can be a great workout in their own right.
You won't go wrong with this update. @Tankie light cardio is better than eating potato chips and sitting on the couch watching TV so good job.
@Tankie Birrias looking incredible!
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