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Rad 140, people who switched to using SARMs and left the test injections? Are there doses and manipulations with SARMs, which can replace test at the anabolic level? Over time, cycles of increasing mass. I will add that I am not a competitor, but I would like to maintain muscle mass that is not natural
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thats a very subjective question, how about you start by telling us more about yourself? @gruber975 you diet train cycle use sarms or TRT before?
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Kid, not a human alive has done test and then decided “im going to use a sarm instead next time”
Use real PEDs or stay natural.
I can guarantee you are a young kid who is scared to use a needle and wants to run some oral only equivalent of a test cycle.
There isn’t bro. Any anything that you try will fuck you up hormonally and give you shit results.
Stay natural man. Don’t let Clavicular melt your brain.
There isn’t bro. Any anything that you try will fuck you up hormonally and give you shit results.
Stay natural man. Don’t let Clavicular melt your brain.
Relax. Age 30 is not a child, I am not afraid of needles, I work in a clinic, the amount of blood and needle pricks I encounter, it does not excite me. I did cycles. I want to hear people's experience with SARMs, whether it is in manipulations and doses, etc. This is a forum for discussion, keep it respectful.
And I was exposed to bodybuilders who went off of drugs for periods of time and switched to SARMs. For whatever reasons and manipulations of the body. Stop being total about SARMs or drugs, there are many worlds in between.
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No sarms for me, don't work. GIve me the REAL stuff Test
Here's my white hot take on RAD from my experience. @gruber975
RAD was never intended to be ran as high as the doses we see in recreational bodybuilding or biohacking worlds.
I only ever ran RAD140 with a modest test base as it's massively suppressive, and will fuck with the hormonal cascade.
For muscle building, You still need to have a testosterone substrate, be it thru using enclo, HCG (too much guess work) or bioidentical testosterone at a TRT level.
RAD140 will outcompete test for the receptor due to its higher binding affinity which leads to SHBG and in turn Estrogen management issues.
The bodybuilders I'd spoken to that ran high dose Sarms are now permanently on TRT due to the massively irreversible shutdown they encountered (PCT didnt work no matter what they tried)
IMO its not worth it and stresses the fuck out of your internals, I ended up pissing out dark brown urine regularly
My liver was chopped, and I felt like shit, so I dumped it at 6 weeks.
As for Enclo... the one time I did PCT off a cycle using enclomiphine, I caused permanent damage to my vision, it remains further impaired than baseline and slightly doubled to this day, and I ran it 2 or so years ago.
There is a good reason many SARMs were shelved, it just doesn't stack up to bioidentical hormones or good old fashioned test, or DHT derivatives. Anyone telling you otherwise hasnt considered all the variables.
They are fun to experiment with for 6-8 weeks, and RAD140 absolutely TEMPORARILY increases strength by a remarkable margin. It will give you a modest TEMPORARY size increase but it will also ENDURINGLY fuck with your demeanor, HPTA, and organ function with extended use.
Respectfully...
RAD140 most certainly isnt a long term option, and IMO once you find that out the hard way, you'll be hoping on TRT anyway.
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RAD was never intended to be ran as high as the doses we see in recreational bodybuilding or biohacking worlds.
I only ever ran RAD140 with a modest test base as it's massively suppressive, and will fuck with the hormonal cascade.
For muscle building, You still need to have a testosterone substrate, be it thru using enclo, HCG (too much guess work) or bioidentical testosterone at a TRT level.
RAD140 will outcompete test for the receptor due to its higher binding affinity which leads to SHBG and in turn Estrogen management issues.
The bodybuilders I'd spoken to that ran high dose Sarms are now permanently on TRT due to the massively irreversible shutdown they encountered (PCT didnt work no matter what they tried)
IMO its not worth it and stresses the fuck out of your internals, I ended up pissing out dark brown urine regularly
My liver was chopped, and I felt like shit, so I dumped it at 6 weeks.
As for Enclo... the one time I did PCT off a cycle using enclomiphine, I caused permanent damage to my vision, it remains further impaired than baseline and slightly doubled to this day, and I ran it 2 or so years ago.
There is a good reason many SARMs were shelved, it just doesn't stack up to bioidentical hormones or good old fashioned test, or DHT derivatives. Anyone telling you otherwise hasnt considered all the variables.
They are fun to experiment with for 6-8 weeks, and RAD140 absolutely TEMPORARILY increases strength by a remarkable margin. It will give you a modest TEMPORARY size increase but it will also ENDURINGLY fuck with your demeanor, HPTA, and organ function with extended use.
Respectfully...
RAD140 most certainly isnt a long term option, and IMO once you find that out the hard way, you'll be hoping on TRT anyway.
-K-
We have bloodwork on here showing SARMs either don't work except to shut down your HTPA and nuke your liver and kidneys or work very marginally compared to Testosterone and it's derivatives.
Don't be afraid of injecting from an EVO approved source, the short cuts aren't worth it.
You can see one example of SARMs being a total bust here
Sir Lancelot's first SARMs Cycle LogYou can see his SARM cycle here
Sir Lancelot's full SARM Cycle
If i could do it alll over again id never run sarms with out a trt level of test as a base, i got shut down and had alot of unwanted sides in that aspect i could have avoided had i just run a small test base.
I would disagree only based on my own experience with sarms, they looked extremely well for me and i got very strong and vey cut and defined utilizing the two cycles that i did.We have bloodwork on here showing SARMs either don't work except to shut down your HTPA and nuke your liver and kidneys or work very marginally compared to Testosterone and it's derivatives.
Don't be afraid of injecting from an EVO approved source, the short cuts aren't worth it.
You can see one example of SARMs being a total bust here
You can see his SARM cycle here
The parts i agree on is atleast in my experience they fucked up my Alt and Ast really bad, ive never seen anything xlose running gear for 3 years on blood pannels as i did when i ran sarms, plus i got suoer suppression running sarms with no test base i was young and not experienced yet.
Using testosterone cypionate over RAD-140 (Testolone) is generally the more reliable and better-understood option because testosterone is a bioidentical hormone with predictable effects, dosing, and side-effect management, whereas RAD-140 is a research SARM with limited long-term human data and less predictable outcomes. Testosterone cypionate provides a full spectrum of androgenic support—muscle growth, strength, libido, mood, and overall physiological function—while also allowing for standardized monitoring (bloodwork, estrogen management, hematocrit control). In contrast, RAD-140 can still cause significant testosterone suppression and lipid disruption without providing the same comprehensive hormonal support, and its long-term safety profile is unclear. While testosterone requires injections and may involve estrogen management, it remains the clinically established, more controllable, and better-studied approach, making it a more dependable choice compared
That's an AI way of saying SARMS are shit compared to real Test. Just my 2 cents.
Damn lol thats how you really feel ?
Kind of. Why run a research-only chem with hit or miss results that's 'supposed' to do what we have almost 100 years of the real endogenous hormone (having been made exactly as exogenous) proving to do in research, clinical trials, and bloodwork. In fact, I've never seen exogenous legit Testosterone do what I've seen SARMS do (and not do) on bloodwork and in real life. I don't see the point unless you're afraid to inject and want to ignore what it clearly does to your ALT/AST and creatinine on a scale that is as profound as Tren.
I've seen other bloodwork like @Sir Lancelot's on SARMS only so it begs the question, why are you avoiding running what you know is proven to work and is endogenous to the body. It may not be as 'selective' but I think until they get the whole 'selective' science of it down pat and more human clinical studies showing it's efficacy without the organ strain, I just don't see the point.
Same reason I'd recommend Tamox over Raloxifene.
I ran sarms because i wasn't ready to run gear or inject and at the time all the so called experts keep saying they are less harmful less sides good results its a way to get introduced to being enhanced before taking it all the way, this was years ago way before i ever started trt or cycling.
While i can say they did alot of negative shit that took a long time to correct which really sucked by week 10 i was fully suppressed and lethargic and felt miserable, back then it was 12 week cycles and typically you stacked 3-4 sarms a cycle.
While the cons out weighed the pros and only things i advocate for these days is mk677, gw, sr9009 two of those not sarms but in the family, the rest id never run again personally speaking.
The results i got did blow me away i packed on alot of lean size and strength and my vascularity was off the charts, now I was already lean to start i recomped twice on them and it was a night and day difference in my appearance.
As far as research chems or things go alot of what we run is still not approved and we do it regardless, just everyone is a little different and runs what they like to run no right or wrong compound just how you implement it into a goal or cycle, knowing the risks and dangers before u do anything is key imo.
For sure, can't argue with that. To each their own and you did bounce back from it too.
Yeah with the help of testosterone lol, i did suffer for a long time which was hell for way longer than i ever wanted it to be.
Hahaha that's funny it's the Test that saved you from the SARMs is the punchline to this.
Yeah i wont deny it, its a huge reason why i started trt early lol, both 12 week sarms cycles even with proper pct and time off between nuked my fucking testosterone levels i was naturally at 700 ng/dl before i got greedy and stepped into enhancement drugs which leads me into my last 3 years of cycling and training.Hahaha that's funny it's the Test that saved you from the SARMs is the punchline to this.
Sarms are shit and are only popular because a bunch of internet dorks shilled for them.
Use real test or go play Roblox.
Use real test or go play Roblox.
If anyone is interested as mentioned above, heres a link to my SARMS Only first cycle ever, with a full diet/nutrition/supps i had during the whole process and how it affected my bloods. TLDR: i'll be jumping on TRT soon. SARMS a bust for me.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-first-sarms-cycle-log.108608/page-3
Thanks for hopping in on this about SARMS @Sir Lancelot
Here is the bloodwork he is talking about @gruber975 ... SARMS were a bust and almost always are except for a select few
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