Fat to Fit EC+GW-501516 Log

[James3703]

Due to real life issues I had put on all the weight I had once lost from strict dieting/weight training.

@4/1/2012
Ht: 5’9”
Wt: 315
BF: ?

@9/1/2012
Ht: 5’9”
Wt: 235
BF: ?

@1/18/2014
Ht: 5’9”
Wt: 304
BF: ?

Going to run(8 weeks on):
20mg - GW-501516
25mg - Ephedrine + 200mg Caffeine twice a day
With a strict diet of 1800-2000 calories a day

My total goal is ATLEAST 50 lb by May 13th

 

[wolfpackalpha]

This is the original thread James had about the topic:
http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/showthread.php?1852-5-9-300lbs-high-bodyfat-and-sarms

 

[James3703]

End of day 2: Havent seen much of a change yet other then a crash (Assuming from the caffeine)and my appetite has suppressed (Could be mentally) Will be hitting the gym hard tomorrow hopefully Ill see GW in its full effect tomorrow

@1/20/14 Weight 300.4lb

Day 3: Worked Tri's/Chest (Approx 1hr 30minute workout) was a struggle to keep up due to being so long since I hit the gym. Ended with a brisk walk on the treadmill for 10minutes on incline.
HR:170 at the end of the workouts
1:45 Protein Shake+Skim Milk
5:30 Chicken+Light Mayo
8:00 Ground Turkey
9:30 Banana
12:00 Protein Shake + 3.5 Cups of Milk


Fat: 36g (25%)
Carbs: 61g (19%)
Protien:180g (56%)
Total Calories: 1284 (Was extremely short today)

 

[13bret]

Appetite suppresion from ephidrine is good news, yes?

 

[James3703]

Its quite crazy I have to force feed myself alot of the time or else I just wont eat at all . . . Which is a blessing but secretly kinda bad

 

[13bret]

Its quite crazy I have to force feed myself alot of the time or else I just wont eat at all . . . Which is a blessing but secretly kinda bad

When your not hungry like that make a diet conscious protein smoothy. They are easy to put down and will keep you out of catabolic state.

 

[13bret]

Good luck! Think that stack will serve you well. Just train hard, and try to follow your diet plan. You can do it.

 

[gymrat827]

keep it up man. you got it in you, just done let anything get in your way.

 

[jbranken]

Looks like the weight is falling off bro. I'm happy for you. GW can help anyone reach their fat loss goals

 

[ACSlater]

End of day 2: Havent seen much of a change yet other then a crash (Assuming from the caffeine)and my appetite has suppressed (Could be mentally) Will be hitting the gym hard tomorrow hopefully Ill see GW in its full effect tomorrow

@1/20/14 Weight 300.4lb

Day 3: Worked Tri's/Chest (Approx 1hr 30minute workout) was a struggle to keep up due to being so long since I hit the gym. Ended with a brisk walk on the treadmill for 10minutes on incline.
HR:170 at the end of the workouts
1:45 Protein Shake+Skim Milk
5:30 Chicken+Light Mayo
8:00 Ground Turkey
9:30 Banana
12:00 Protein Shake + 3.5 Cups of Milk


Fat: 36g (25%)
Carbs: 61g (19%)
Protien:180g (56%)
Total Calories: 1284 (Was extremely short today)

You gotta eat more than 1200 calories man. You will shut down your metabolism. Sounds like your having some issues with appetite but I would recommend you eat at least 2000cal per day to start and then keep adjusting that down as you lose weight.

 

[jbranken]

You gotta eat more than 1200 calories man. You will shut down your metabolism. Sounds like your having some issues with appetite but I would recommend you eat at least 2000cal per day to start and then keep adjusting that down as you lose weight.

Yea he may be losing weight too quick. Muscle will be wasted along with fat

 

[James3703]

Ya I realize that. It wasnt intentional by no means lol

 

[ACSlater]

Ya I realize that. It wasnt intentional by no means lol

I know how it feels man. Completely understand. But sometimes you gotta force feed yourself. Not enough calories can be just as damaging as too many. Keep workin hard and make sure you get your food in to make sure you preserve your lean muscle.

 

[caligirl85]

Subbed.

Looking forward to seeing your progress.

 

[EER]

Ya I realize that. It wasnt intentional by no means lol

Drink those cals. When my appetite is gone and I need cals I just hit the old blender. Natty peanut butter, protein powder and some fruit will get u there. Good luck!!!

 

[ACSlater]

Yes PB is your friend when you need to add calories

 

[James3703]

End of day 4. Actually still sore from yesterday did not get to hit the gym as we got around 6 or so inches of snow looking forward to head there tomorrow.

10:45 Protein Shake+ 3.5cups Skim Milk
1:00 Chicken+Light Mayo+ 1.5cups Skim Milk
2:00 Chicken+Light Mayo+ 1.5cups Skim Milk
4:45 Blueberry Nutrigrain Bar
7:30 2 tbsp PB
7:40 1 String Cheese
9:00 Protein Shake+1 Cup Skim Milk
11:00 3oz Sliced Turkey

Fat: 45g (20%)
Carbs: 135g (27%)
Protien: 260g (53%)
Total Calories:1983

Just a few concerns:
1. I ate approx. 5800mg of sodium isnt that extremely bad
2. Can too much potassium/Calcium harm me?

(Any suggestions are appreciated(day still is not over))

 

[ACSlater]

Calories look much better today bra. Good work

 

[meathead96]

EC is great combined with GW, my girl is using that same combo right now.

 

[ACSlater]

End of day 4. Actually still sore from yesterday did not get to hit the gym as we got around 6 or so inches of snow looking forward to head there tomorrow.

10:45 Protein Shake+ 3.5cups Skim Milk
1:00 Chicken+Light Mayo+ 1.5cups Skim Milk
2:00 Chicken+Light Mayo+ 1.5cups Skim Milk
4:45 Blueberry Nutrigrain Bar
7:30 2 tbsp PB
7:40 1 String Cheese
9:00 Protein Shake+1 Cup Skim Milk

Fat: 43g (20%)
Carbs: 134g (28%)
Protien: 247g (52%)
Total Calories:1908

Just a few concerns:
1. I ate approx. 5000mg of sodium isnt that extremely bad
2. Can too much potassium/Calcium harm me?

(Any suggestions are appreciated(day still is not over))

Sodium will likely cause you too hold onto some water weight but it's not seriously bad as long as you balance it with high potassium intake.

 

[RickRock]

I will be following your fat loss journey bro. Good luck to you. You are running the right things to help you for sure.

 

[James3703]

End of Day 5:The gym was legit over packed (On-campus gyms BLOW) did approx. 20minutes of speed walking on an incline (181 calories burned?) which sadly actually tired me out and quite honestly hurt. HR:160 or so

11:30 Took EC+GW
11:45 1 Whole Egg+2 Egg Whites
2:05 Banana
3:30 Chicken+Light Mayo
3:35 EC
4:15 Deli Turkey
4:45 GW
5:30 1slice WW Bread+2tbsp Peanut Butter
7:15 1 Vanilla Pudding
9:30 2 Cups of Milk
10:30 Small piece of Ham+Cheese Stromboli (I know awful)
11:00 1.5 Cups of Milk+Protein
12:00 String Cheese
12:05 1 piece Whole Wheat Bread+Peanut Butter

Fat: 61g (29%)
Carbs: 166g (35%)
Protien: 172g (36%)
Total Calories:1889

Just wondering would glucosamine help with muscle soreness or only joint paint?

Also thanks alot for the support guys

 

[James3703]

End of Day 6

Fat: 121g (47%)
Carbs: 203g (35%)
Protien: 100g (18%)
Total Calories:2220

 

[ACSlater]

Looking good man. Keep it up!

 

[mjd]

Keep working man, well worth it.

 

[James3703]

End of Day 7: Been sick literally all day

12:15 Oatmeal
10:00 Ground turkey
11:00 2.5tsbp PB+2 WW bread
1:30 3.5cups of Skim milk

Fat: 35g (29%)
Carbs: 140g (51%)
Protien: 55g (20%)
Total Calories:994

 

[meathead96]

Damn I would wither away on that many calories bro.

 

[James3703]

Honestly while on EC I could eat 1,000 calories a day without even being hungry but obviously that isnt healthy

 

[Tubulin]

Bro any different in body composition? Do you notice leanness from the GW? Any strength gains? Please keep us updated with stats!

 

[James3703]

Weight is honestly about the same. (Could be due to high sodium and my body holding onto the water) Walking does not strain me out as bad as it use to. (I can actually breath). Strength gains I really havent notice any at this point. I feel GW in the sense of slight endurance gain but yet again Im still vastly overweight.

Out of curiosity could stuff like terone D3 or Monster Mass Building test cause me to not lose weight?

 

[stevesmi]

gotta take pics bro... the scale don't mean shi t

 

[wolfpackalpha]

End of Day 7: Been sick literally all day

12:15 Oatmeal
10:00 Ground turkey
11:00 2.5tsbp PB+2 WW bread
1:30 3.5cups of Skim milk

Fat: 35g (29%)
Carbs: 140g (51%)
Protien: 55g (20%)
Total Calories:994

1) your calories are too low, you're starving yourself, this will actually make you GAIN weight
2) your carbs are too high
3) your protein is too low
4) drop milk and fruits from your diet in the future

 

[James3703]

End of Day 8: I'm restless throughtout the whole day and feel like trash

2:00 Crackers
2:30 4 egg whites +2 Whole eggs, Cheese
5:30 1 WW Break 2tspb of Peanut Butter
8:00 1 Cup of Milk 2 servings of cheerios
9:00 Pasta/cheese.sause


Fat: 60g (35%)
Carbs: 154g (41%)
Protien: 91g (24%)
Total Calories:1499

 

[James3703]

What is wrong with Milk I was alway told it was an amazing thing to include

 

[caligirl85]

I'd drop the EC. A week on that and I feel like a junkie. Anxiety and irritability go way up!

 

[James3703]

I'd drop the EC. A week on that and I feel like a junkie. Anxiety and irritability go way up!

Irritability is up but anxiety hasnt really change at all (and this is somone who has anxiety problems)

 

[wolfpackalpha]

What is wrong with Milk I was alway told it was an amazing thing to include

It has lactose sugars and it's generally hard to digest for most people. Your diet is very bad, you will not lose bodyfat with a diet like this. You will need to make significant dietary changes. With the diet you have now, you might actually gain bodyfat my friend.

Again:

1) Your calories are too low.
2) Your carbs are too high.
3) Your protein is too low for this kind of diet.

 

[meathead96]

Irritability is up but anxiety hasnt really change at all (and this is somone who has anxiety problems)

Yeah I get irritable as shit on EC. Thats why I haven't used it in a while.

 

[James3703]

It has lactose sugars and it's generally hard to digest for most people. Your diet is very bad, you will not lose bodyfat with a diet like this. You will need to make significant dietary changes. With the diet you have now, you might actually gain bodyfat my friend.

Again:

1) Your calories are too low.
2) Your carbs are too high.
3) Your protein is too low for this kind of diet.

Then what would you recommend most people say 40-30-30. 2800 is my maintance and most people say 1800-2000 is a good number to roll with. Also to my understanding cutting calories even if they are dirty calories you will tech lose weight. As in you eat 1800 calories of burger king vschicken

 

[CeeL894]

Then what would you recommend most people say 40-30-30. 2800 is my maintance and most people say 1800-2000 is a good number to roll with. Also to my understanding cutting calories even if they are dirty calories you will tech lose weight. As in you eat 1800 calories of burger king vschicken

I don't know how you're calculating your calories (MFP, by chance? Info in their database is inaccurate), but I did the math on a few of your days and it's off by at least 100 calories.
If you aren't weighing everything you eat on a kitchen scale then you really have no idea how much you're eating. Even pre-portioned foods need to be weighed. A bagel for example may say "one bagel" or 90grams as a serving size but when weighed out its almost always more.
And idk who says macros are tracked in percentages but that's wrong.
1g of protein per lb of BW
.4-.6 of fat per lb of BW
The remaining calories in carbs. Or more fat/protein. You need to hit the macro minimums at least, the rest is personal preference (high carb, low carb, high fat, etc).

Im a female, weigh 140lbs and my maintenance is around 2300, there's no way your maintenance is 2800. I start my cut on 2000 calories and only go down when I stall for a few weeks and have exhausted every other option to jump fat loss.

IME, while cutting especially, you want to eat "clean" most of the time. You can eat much more food that way and will feel fuller.
I also like IF when cutting, saving most of my calories for when I'm the hungriest (2pm and on), and instead of 6 mini meals I'll do 2 and maybe a few snacks.

 

[James3703]

I don't know how you're calculating your calories (MFP, by chance? Info in their database is inaccurate), but I did the math on a few of your days and it's off by at least 100 calories.
If you aren't weighing everything you eat on a kitchen scale then you really have no idea how much you're eating. Even pre-portioned foods need to be weighed. A bagel for example may say "one bagel" or 90grams as a serving size but when weighed out its almost always more.
And idk who says macros are tracked in percentages but that's wrong.
1g of protein per lb of BW
.4-.6 of fat per lb of BW
The remaining calories in carbs. Or more fat/protein. You need to hit the macro minimums at least, the rest is personal preference (high carb, low carb, high fat, etc).

Im a female, weigh 140lbs and my maintenance is around 2300, there's no way your maintenance is 2800. I start my cut on 2000 calories and only go down when I stall for a few weeks and have exhausted every other option to jump fat loss.

IME, while cutting especially, you want to eat "clean" most of the time. You can eat much more food that way and will feel fuller.
I also like IF when cutting, saving most of my calories for when I'm the hungriest (2pm and on), and instead of 6 mini meals I'll do 2 and maybe a few snacks.

Go to any BMR calc or TDEE and my maintaince is approx 2850so I know for a fact that's correct and everywhere you read saves "saving meals" is awful eating throughout the day is perceived to be overall better

 

[James3703]

Also how can your bmr be 2400 are ypu 6'0 tall? Or work out 7 day a week? That doesn't seem right

 

[CeeL894]

Go to any BMR calc or TDEE and my maintaince is approx 2850so I know for a fact that's correct and everywhere you read saves "saving meals" is awful eating throughout the day is perceived to be overall better

BMR means the calories needed to stay alive if you were in a coma. Maintenance calories is the amount you need to maintain your current activity level. At 300lbs your maintenance is probably around 3500-4000 calories. You didn't get to 300lbs by eating 2800.

Saving meals is not awful. That's broscience at it's finest. Many bodybuilders do IF and have no problem building muscle or cutting fat. Now, if you WANT to eat 5
Or 6 or however many meals you prefer, that's fine but it's not necessary. Not eating for 12 hours isn't all of a sudden going to eat all your muscle. Eat however often and whatever sized meals you want as long as you hit your daily calorie goal.

 

[CeeL894]

Also how can your bmr be 2400 are ypu 6'0 tall? Or work out 7 day a week? That doesn't seem right

I'm 5ft 6 and 140, I never said my BMR was 2400.

 

[James3703]

I'm 5ft 6 and 140, I never said my BMR was 2400.

you said your maintance is 2300. If you put 5`8 19 300lb ot will come up with around 2800. . . . As maintance

 

[James3703]

You have a BMR of 2669.4. Is what I'm getting and when I put your stats it saysYou have a BMR of 1386.2.

Low You get little to no exercise
2840 Calories/Day
Light You exercise lightly (1-3 days per week)
3254 Calories/Day
Moderate You exercise moderately (3-5 days per week)
3668 Calories/Day
High You exercise heavily (6-7 days per week)
4082 Calories/Day
Very High You exercise very heavily (i.e. 2x per day, extra heavy workouts)
4496 Calories/Day

 

[James3703]

10 day weigh in: 298.4lb (Christmas 315, 1/18 304) So far down 5.6lb in 10 days on GW+EC

Also did 30minutes of cardio yesterday which is extremely abnormal for me and I felt like I probably could have continued. IDK if its a mental thing but either way I feel increased endurance

 

[AnalogMan]

My brother James ,I 'm not going to get in this shouting match. Take a minute and look at my Blog's (To Much Protein) and (Cutting Cycle Help) you will find how to get your LBM/TDEE ,it's what I do....I'm sure there is plenty to get you on your Pathway in there. You need a pathway brother............Good Luck on your journey .............AnalogMan

 

[James3703]

My brother James ,I 'm not going to get in this shouting match. Take a minute and look at my Blog's (To Much Protein) and (Cutting Cycle Help) you will find how to get your LBM/TDEE ,it's what I do....I'm sure there is plenty to get you on your Pathway in there. You need a pathway brother............Good Luck on your journey .............AnalogMan

So I read your blogs and l really dont know my LBM and I honestly doubt its on the low end assuming its maybe 200lb out of the 300lb That means my TDEE would be approx 2500 or so. So eatting 1500-1800 calories shouldnt be too bad. Also about too much protein I was aiming around 150-200g a day 40-30-30

 

[AnalogMan]

I'm sorry bro, I think you really didn't comprehend what the whole content of it is ..I wish you luck...........AnalogMan

So I read your blogs and l really dont know my LBM and I honestly doubt its on the low end assuming its maybe 200lb out of the 300lb I carry my TDEE would be approx 2500 or so. So eatting 1500-1800 calories shouldnt be too bad. Also about too much protein I was aiming around 150-200g a day 40-30-30

 

[James3703]

I dont know if its the way you are talking in the blog or on here but it just doesnt make sense as in literally what you recommended is what Im doing . . .

 

[GeorgeWilliams]

All of this sounds like you are on a yo-yo diet. Perhaps you should try something different.