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Shovelhead

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Question. I've tried to find some answers and am having no luck. Hope some of ya'll can. If a person has been on TRT for 2-3 years solid, would their pct be different than someone who cycles off? Example: let's say a guy is on 180 a week trt. Then decides to do a cycle of test (to about 350 a week) and tren (say 50-75 eod). Increase test for about 12 weeks and mixes the tren in for about 8 weeks and then goes back to the normal trt dosage.
One additional related question, any problem with mixing some dbol in on this cycle for the first 4 weeks?
 
Oh yeah. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I did it. I just didn't want to admit my age was catching up with me at the time.
 
Pct when you are on TRT is much different. Your post cycle therapy is obviously not about restarting the HPTA, but you should take measures to return lipids, BP, liver enzymes, etc to normal. Run N2guard and other supps. You may have to run an AI to prevent estrogen rebound as well
 
Thanks guys. That's kinda what I was thinking. Just wanted to confirm it. Rickrock. Thanks for the advice on the N2guard and supplements. Have always had to use a little something to estrogen down. Any opinions on throwing in the dbol when starting a cycle? Going to assume it would the same as guys that are not on trt. Thanks again.
 
Shovelhead said:
Thanks guys. That's kinda what I was thinking. Just wanted to confirm it. Rickrock. Thanks for the advice on the N2guard and supplements. Have always had to use a little something to estrogen down. Any opinions on throwing in the dbol when starting a cycle? Going to assume it would the same as guys that are not on trt. Thanks again.
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There's no problem using the dbol. Just make sure to use the proper Aromasin dose because of the extra aromatization
 
BASE said:
I'm gonna keep calling it TRT until I get caught...then I will probably still call it TRT;)
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you need to find a lower dose to "cruise" on man. something that your body can adjust to and run long term. Your throwing everything but the kitchen sink at this. IMHO......not the best idea.
 
gymrat827 said:
you need to find a lower dose to "cruise" on man. something that your body can adjust to and run long term. Your throwing everything but the kitchen sink at this. IMHO......not the best idea.
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I don't think you meant to reply to me...I never mentioned what I was running. It was mostly a joke as I do like to blast a bit extra from time to time.
 
Pretty much everything rick said is what I would follow , I haven't entered the trt pool yet
 
Shovelhead said:
Question. I've tried to find some answers and am having no luck. Hope some of ya'll can. If a person has been on TRT for 2-3 years solid, would their pct be different than someone who cycles off? Example: let's say a guy is on 180 a week trt. Then decides to do a cycle of test (to about 350 a week) and tren (say 50-75 eod). Increase test for about 12 weeks and mixes the tren in for about 8 weeks and then goes back to the normal trt dosage.
One additional related question, any problem with mixing some dbol in on this cycle for the first 4 weeks?
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if you never come of test, you dont need to do a pct brother
 
I've been on HRT for years now......but by closely monitoring my blood profiles with my HRT doctor we stay on top of things!...however when I add 'extra ingredients'.....I still like to maintain a certain protocol of good clean eating combined with good things that work... N2 Guard, anti-oxidants etc.......they keep me stable and out of the woods so to speak when it comes to negative effects.......just exercise good fundamental goals.............and as always bounce ideas off the many intellectual members here...
 
Pct is for post cycle therapy. So if you're on trt you're on a cycle essentially permanently. Pct is irrelevant to you.


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Ok. So that's brings another question to mind. I've been on trt for about 2 1/2yrs now. Have noticed some definite shrinkage. My doc has never mentioned anything about hcg. Been reading a lot on here about it. The shrinkage hasn't been a problem in the bedroom, should I be doing something for this? Again, hasn't caused any problems, just looks different.
 
Shovelhead said:
Ok. So that's brings another question to mind. I've been on trt for about 2 1/2yrs now. Have noticed some definite shrinkage. My doc has never mentioned anything about hcg. Been reading a lot on here about it. The shrinkage hasn't been a problem in the bedroom, should I be doing something for this? Again, hasn't caused any problems, just looks different.
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Well I'll let this be my first post. I recently came off TRT and blasting and cruising for 2 years. TRT was 250mg a week and when I blasted it was 500mg test and usually 400mg EQ. I am ex competitive BB who ran some HEAVY doses in my competition days (1.2g test, 900mg tren, 800mg EQ, etc.). I've tried it all. HCG while on, HCG during the 2 week clear, HCG during PCT. To be honest, the ONLY time I've ever seen HCG effective is for conceiving.

I recently came off TRT due to a HCT/hemoglobin emergency (something you need to carefully consider).

My PCT was Torem, Sustain Alpha, DAA, AIFM (opted for this instead of Aromasin). My boys came back to size pretty quick and I honestly feel pretty good. Trying to keep them full while on is actually pretty futile and repeated use of HCG can desensitize your leydig cells.

My advice? Just leave it be and address it when you come off completely.
 
Shovelhead said:
That's some excellent info. Hct/hemaglobin? What kind of issue? Trt related?
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Being on TRT (especially higher dosed TRT) can increase RBC and hematocrit/hemoglobin over time. That's why I strongly recommend giving blood every 8 weeks to alleviate this problem. That's exactly what I do
 
Donating blood is essential.. especially on TRT
 
Shovelhead said:
Ok. So that's brings another question to mind. I've been on trt for about 2 1/2yrs now. Have noticed some definite shrinkage. My doc has never mentioned anything about hcg. Been reading a lot on here about it. The shrinkage hasn't been a problem in the bedroom, should I be doing something for this? Again, hasn't caused any problems, just looks different.
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it wont be a problem at all,unless you are looking to have children
 
I don't think you need to worry about it yet but if you ever lose libido hit some HCG and it'll get them back to normal. It's just when you get totally shut down that I think you lose libido after a cycle. Small balls came and went but I wasn't totally shutdown I assume until a deca cycle which took my nuts to a whole new level of small. That's when Libido disappeared and to be honest the only thing that brought it back was HCG and I've only done 3 shots of 500iu a piece and it was back. So my point is I don't think trt will shut you down enough to cause problems. Just some advice incase for the future. Also just my .02


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Another question, long term trt related l believe. Would the general opinion from most guys on this site be the same on tren usage (in regards to long term trt)? Would you still want to limit tren usage to 8-10 weeks even if you are running a relatively mild dose of 50mg eod?
 
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Donating blood is essential.. especially on TRT

Well, everything the doc told me was that you red blood cell count goes up which causes the blood to thicken. Which can lead to heart attacks, .... I'm sure there are a list of other items.
 
Shrine said:
Donating blood is essential.. especially on TRT
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Some people it simply will not work. Some people never have the issue at all.

Case 1: My body is 6'1" 250 lbs. He's been on heavy for 2+ years. His cruises are 500mg test a week. He went and had a physical. His HCT and hemo were perfectly fine. Gear is def real because we used the same brand and he's massive.
Case 2: My hematologist (which seeing was an awful experience) mentioned he works with older TRT patients that even with therapeutic phlebotomy they HCT/hemo continues to rise.

Make no mistake fellas, this is some real deal problem. Towards the end of my TRT I was feeling awful. Anxious, headaches, veins popping out of my head, confusion. Why? My blood was almost twice as thick as it should be. I tried to donate blood. They wouldn't take it. I was over the hemoglobin threshold of 18.5. In fact, it caused my BP to run 160/100. I had to come off.

Another issue to address is estrogen. You should consider an AI after a while as E levels will rise even with TRT doses.
 
50mg eod is a lot. I would use 100mg max with trt. Not by itself.


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Shovelhead said:
Another question, long term trt related l believe. Would the general opinion from most guys on this site be the same on tren usage (in regards to long term trt)? Would you still want to limit tren usage to 8-10 weeks even if you are running a relatively mild dose of 50mg eod?
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Its a debatable topic, but I personally don't recommend Tren at low doses for long periods of time because of the health implications of the compound. Many think that lower doses alleviate this, but I wouldn't be so quick to jump into the harshest steroid on the planet long term at low doses and think you are ok
 
I'm just curious on when I can start the trt train.
Normally I'm in the upper 300s low 400s at the ripe age of 28.. I want to be at 800 damnit
 
I just started in march, 2 tests I had done before treatment were 262, 352. I'm 36, urologist wanted to put me on 200/mg every two weeks. Had the discussion of 100/mg a week and he was fine with it. Follow up appt to check levels 6/1. Brap, just need to find you a good doc, seems like you are bottom of the low side range. Some docs can be picky "if your in range", they may be hesitant at your age. Make a list of symptoms and be ready to give detailed info, will go a long way with the doc and will help your case.
 
rhynoplanet said:
what dose do they have you on now?
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Only 70mg test cyp a week. I've never heard of a dose that low, but if it cures my symptoms, I'll be happy with it.
I'll take it upon myself to split the dose in two injections a week. I haven't had a follow up yet, but I bet the doc is open to raising the dose. He just wants to give the minimal that gets the job done to minimize any possible sides.
I happy with trt, but I'd rather not take an AI for the rest of my life...that seems sketchy to me. I think if T is in normal range, aromitization shouldn't be a problem.
 
kickshaw39 said:
Only 70mg test cyp a week. I've never heard of a dose that low, but if it cures my symptoms, I'll be happy with it.
I'll take it upon myself to split the dose in two injections a week. I haven't had a follow up yet, but I bet the doc is open to raising the dose. He just wants to give the minimal that gets the job done to minimize any possible sides.
I happy with trt, but I'd rather not take an AI for the rest of my life...that seems sketchy to me. I think if T is in normal range, aromitization shouldn't be a problem.
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Aromatization will always be a problem for some. My buddy gets gyno from literally just hitting the gym hard after a long layoff. He hasn't touched AAS in 5+ years. However, it's of varying degrees. Everyone has a different TRT dose. My one friend just went for bloods on 200mg a week. His test was at 1400. It's not a linear/proportional relationship but one could deduce that maybe 100mg per week would be ideal for him. 700 test number seems to be the magical one. Anything over 1200 you're in "muscle building territory".

Taking or not taking an AI depends on your symptoms. Most guys on TRT initially report amazing sex drive, great energy, etc. Then around the 8-14 month mark a lot of guys fall off a bit. Just feel kinda bleh. That's the E creeping up. That's when you need to watch your lipids. As for an AI, consider taking DIM. It's an OTC supp that does great things for lowering E. A lot of guys on TRT use that in place of an AI. Guys who've taken it while off everything actually reported it crashing their E so we know it works. While off I personally use half a tablet of DIM daily for wellness purposes and it works.
 
WhiteGorilla said:
Aromatization will always be a problem for some. My buddy gets gyno from literally just hitting the gym hard after a long layoff. He hasn't touched AAS in 5+ years. However, it's of varying degrees. Everyone has a different TRT dose. My one friend just went for bloods on 200mg a week. His test was at 1400. It's not a linear/proportional relationship but one could deduce that maybe 100mg per week would be ideal for him. 700 test number seems to be the magical one. Anything over 1200 you're in "muscle building territory".

Taking or not taking an AI depends on your symptoms. Most guys on TRT initially report amazing sex drive, great energy, etc. Then around the 8-14 month mark a lot of guys fall off a bit. Just feel kinda bleh. That's the E creeping up. That's when you need to watch your lipids. As for an AI, consider taking DIM. It's an OTC supp that does great things for lowering E. A lot of guys on TRT use that in place of an AI. Guys who've taken it while off everything actually reported it crashing their E so we know it works. While off I personally use half a tablet of DIM daily for wellness purposes and it works.
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I'm checking out the DIM, thanks! I'm also interested in progesterone creams. They've been discussed in other threads, and seem like a good way to control E as well.
 
TX ! said:
I just started in march, 2 tests I had done before treatment were 262, 352. I'm 36, urologist wanted to put me on 200/mg every two weeks. Had the discussion of 100/mg a week and he was fine with it. Follow up appt to check levels 6/1. Brap, just need to find you a good doc, seems like you are bottom of the low side range. Some docs can be picky "if your in range", they may be hesitant at your age. Make a list of symptoms and be ready to give detailed info, will go a long way with the doc and will help your case.
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Thanks for the advice man, I'm definitely feeling soo much better this cycle without dbol or anadrol. But try to have a sex life and the gym as of lately off cycle has been a real fucking drag. This shouldn't be the case at my age so I've been debating to trt since I'm done having kids anyways
 
I cycle for usually 8 weeks at at time and then bridge for 8 weeks on test cyp or e 200mg every 5 days. When I'm on cycle I'm always on orals and injectables and I slowly increase my dose to get results. I admit it's not the most scientific method but at the same time I'm monitoring my health by checking blood pressure, cholesterol, liver enzymes etc.
 
How long you been off now?
WhiteGorilla said:
Some people it simply will not work. Some people never have the issue at all.

Case 1: My body is 6'1" 250 lbs. He's been on heavy for 2+ years. His cruises are 500mg test a week. He went and had a physical. His HCT and hemo were perfectly fine. Gear is def real because we used the same brand and he's massive.
Case 2: My hematologist (which seeing was an awful experience) mentioned he works with older TRT patients that even with therapeutic phlebotomy they HCT/hemo continues to rise.

Make no mistake fellas, this is some real deal problem. Towards the end of my TRT I was feeling awful. Anxious, headaches, veins popping out of my head, confusion. Why? My blood was almost twice as thick as it should be. I tried to donate blood. They wouldn't take it. I was over the hemoglobin threshold of 18.5. In fact, it caused my BP to run 160/100. I had to come off.

Another issue to address is estrogen. You should consider an AI after a while as E levels will rise even with TRT doses.
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